NBA All-time Tier Ranking (Most objective, accurate, and NBA-certified)

[Derivative]

Tier 1 (Godlike, untouchable)
Michael Jordan

Tier 1.5 (Transcendence tier)
Lebron James

Tier 2 (Greatests of all time)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan

Tier 3 (All-time greats)
Hakeem Olajuwon
Julius Erving
Kobe Bryant
Karl Malone
David Robinson
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwyane Wade
Moses Malone

Legacy Tier (Early pioneers of the game, only good during their era)
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Jerry West
Oscar Robertson
Elgin Baylor

[Mr Feeny]

Tier 1 (Godlike, untouchable)
Michael Jordan

Tier 1.5 (Transcendence tier)
Lebron James

Tier 2 (Greatests of all time)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan

Tier 3 (All-time greats)
Hakeem Olajuwon
Julius Erving
Kobe Bryant
Karl Malone
David Robinson
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwyane Wade

Legacy Tier (Early pioneers of the game, only good during their era)
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Jerry West
Oscar Robertson
Elgin Baylor

As long as James, Jordan and Jabbar are top 3 (the 3 J's ) most people are going to be just fine with it:applause:

[Maverick Carter]

Make no mistake about it. Lebron james needs to be in tier 1 with Michael Jeffrey Jordan.
It is unconscionable that after the masterpiece which he gave us, some folks don't recognize lebron james for what he truly is - the finest physical specimen who has ever graced God's green earth and perhaps the best basketball player whom we've had the please of seeing.

Make no mistake folks, Lebron James is the real deal.

[SouBeachTalents]

Moses absolutely should be in tier 3, ditto Pettit in tier 4

[Derivative]

Moses absolutely should be in tier 3, ditto Pettit in tier 4

To be honest Moses was never THAT good

[Bankaii]

Did you make sure to get plenty of Ex-players opinions?
Apparently stats and other objective measures aren't as important as the subjective, bias, and usually wrong opinion of your average NBA player.

And I'd put Shaq/Kareem in that 1.5 tier.

[IllegalD]

Did you make sure to get plenty of Ex-players opinions?
Apparently stats and other objective measures aren't as important as the subjective, bias, and usually wrong opinion of your average NBA player.

And I'd put Shaq/Kareem in that 1.5 tier.


Yeah, because accolades and rankings chosen by media members who never played pro sports in their life is really objective.,,

:facepalm :roll: :lol

[LostCause]

I don't really agree with the "Legacy" tier because there's no doubt in my mind a prime Chamberlain would still do well in todays game. Really, pretty much all of them would

[Derivative]

Yeah, because accolades and rankings chosen by media members who never played pro sports in their life is really objective.,,

:facepalm :roll: :lol

that's like saying Harvard graduate stock analysts working in Wallstreet can't have better understanding of McDonalds than the patty flippers who work there

[Derivative]

I don't really agree with the "Legacy" tier because there's no doubt in my mind a prime Chamberlain would still do well in todays game. Really, pretty much all of them would

Chamberlain would do well today like prime Dwight Howard did well, good, but not all time great

[SouBeachTalents]

To be honest Moses was never THAT good

Moses was as good as anyone you listed in that tier

[LostCause]

To be honest Moses was never THAT good

:wtf:



Chamberlain would do well today like prime Dwight Howard did well, good, but not all time great

Why not?

Also, you can say Bird wouldn't do "All time great" well in todays game, but he's in Tier 2

[Derivative]

:wtf:



Why not?

Also, you can say Bird wouldn't do "All time great" well in todays game, but he's in Tier 2


chamberlain played in the 60s where players couldn't stand dribble with their left hand. bird played during the era of Jordan. Bird would be a upgraded version of Dirk in todays game

[Big164]

Wilt would be the strongest, fastest, 7 footer in the NBA today. Dude was throwing weights around with Prime Arnold. Outrebounded Prime Kareem every season they were in the nba together.

He led two different Franchises, on opposite coasts, to 68+ win seasons& finals victory..100 points in a game, 50.4ppg in a season, nailed 20,000 women...I could go on and on but your list is too stupid to waste time on

[Bankaii]

Yeah, because accolades and rankings chosen by media members who never played pro sports in their life is really objective.,,

:facepalm :roll: :lol
I was being sarcastic, but it's obvious you're dumb enough to actually believe it.

There's no need to dismantle your dumb theory, OP already did that.

[LAZERUSS]

Tier 1 (Godlike, untouchable)
Michael Jordan

Tier 1.5 (Transcendence tier)
Lebron James

Tier 2 (Greatests of all time)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan

Tier 3 (All-time greats)
Hakeem Olajuwon
Julius Erving
Kobe Bryant
Karl Malone
David Robinson
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwyane Wade

Legacy Tier (Early pioneers of the game, only good during their era)
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Jerry West
Oscar Robertson
Elgin Baylor

I find it amusing that the "Legacy Tier", players who were "only GOOD" in their era, and by extension, would, at best, be only good against the more "modern" players.

Thank god for "the Bridge"...Kareem.

The same Kareem, who at his PEAK, played 35 H2H games against a fading full-time Nate Thurmond, and had a TOTAL of FIVE 30+ point games against him, with a HIGH game of 34 points,...AND...on a .447 FG% in those H2H's.

The same Kareem, who at ages 38-39, and barely able to jump over a toothpick...played 10 straight games against a 22-23 year old Hakeem, and AVERAGED 32 ppg...on get this... a .630 FG% in those 10 games. Hell, a 40 year old KAJ outscored a 24 year old Hakeem in their four H2H's, and outshot him by a .567 to .403 margin. Oh, and a 38-39 year old KAJ had THREE games of 40+ (40, 43, and even 46 points...and in only 37 minutes) against Hakeem.

And then how about fellow Tier-2 center Shaq? A peak Shaq had his career high scoring game against a fading Hakeem... of 37 points.

And all of that brings us to WILT. Sure he averaged 50 ppg, but that was in '62. And sure, in that season he averaged 40 ppg against Russell in 10 H2H games. And sure, in that season, and against a peak Walt Bellamy (who was a legit 7-0 BTW), he averaged 53 ppg in his 10 H2H's against him.

But how about a 32 year old Chamberlain, in KAJ's rookie season, averaging 32.2 ppg on a .579 FG% (with 20.6 rpg), and leading the league in scoring...until he blew out his knee? The same Wilt, who easily outplayed rookie Kareem in their first H2H, and in every facet of the game (including blocking two of KAJ's "unblockable" sky-hooks.)

Furthermore, in that 69-70 season, Wilt blew out his knee in the ninth game, after having scored 33 points in 28 minutes (on 13-14 shooting.) Why is that significant? He was certainly on his way to yet another 40+ point game, and perhaps even a 50 point game. Had he scored 50, his average in those nine games would have been at 34.0 ppg. Again, this was in KAJ's rookie season (in which Kareem would average 28.8 ppg.) A couple of years later a peak Kareem would average 34.8 ppg on a .574 FG%. So, here was a Wilt, at age 32, on pace for a PEAK KAJ-type season.

Even more significant... a PRIME Chamberlain was considerably more dominant against the SAME centers that a PEAK Kareem would face a few years later. For example, in Wilt's first 13 H2H games against Thurmond, he had SIX 30+ point games, (more than a peak KAJ had against Nate in some 35 H2H games total.) And he had beatdowns against Thurmond by margins of 38-15, and 45-13.

Incidently, a PEAK Kareem faced an aging Bellamy in 25 H2H games. His HIGH game was 40, followed by 39, and then 35. Wilt had a streak of 20 straight H2H's against Bellamy, in which he averaged...yes AVERAGED... 48.2 ppg! Which included THREE games of 60+, with a high of 73.


Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

To be honest Moses was never THAT good

Interesting...

You have KAJ in the Tier-2 category...and yet, Moses outplayed KAJ in the vast majority of their 40 career H2H's,...including pounding him in their two playoff series' H2H's (and going 6-1 against him those games.)

Granted, Moses didn't face a PEAK Kareem, circa 70-72, but he did brutalize him from 78-83, which included an MVP season in '80.

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...

Shaq is listed as a Tier-2 player. And yet, Wilt was taller, longer, stronger, more athletic, and more skilled. Chamberlain was better in virtually every facet of the game (except FT shooting...in which BOTH were awful.)

But I am supposed to believe that Wilt would have been merely good in Shaq's era?

One can only wonder what a PRIME Wilt's Finals' numbers would have looked like had he faced a washed-up Smits, in his last season; or a 35 year old Mutombo, whom Shaq was allowed to beat to a bloody pulp; or a never-was career 6 ppg 6-11 stumble-bum in MacCullouch; or a complete bust in Dampier.

As it was, Chamberlain faced Russell, and his swarming Celtics, in post-seasons in which he put up 22-25-7; 22-32-10; 28-30; 29-28; 30-31; 31-27; and 34-27, against him.

Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...

Bill Russell was listed at 6-9. In reality, he was nearly 6-10.

How about Russell compared to the "6-11" Dwight Howard?

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b265/dharocks/dwight_zps72910c96.jpg

Or compared to the "6-9" Ben Wallace?

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dpMmXPjkiFo/Um3cP0DUTpI/AAAAAAAAExQ/U09aaZg_7mU/s800/Bill%2520and%2520Ben%25201.jpg

Or Russell with the "7-0" Tim Duncan...

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/tim-duncan-of-the-san-antonio-spurs-and-legend-bill-russell-poses-for-picture-id450689318


The REALITY was, Russell was every bit as tall as Howard, DeMarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan, and Andre Drummond... ALL of whom were 6-9 3/4.


BTW, how about this footage of Russell?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AlFrOj5Mc


But I am supposed to believe that he would be, at best, merely good in today's game?

Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...

Here is a modern athletic marvel. A player whose massive size and unfathomable athleticism allowed him to run away with a rpg title (and in only 35 mpg), and put up a 26-12 season...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7TnbhJr8iY


And how about this 6-4 starting PG...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=993UTozPECc

So much talent that he is a career 36% shooter in the modern NBA,


Compare that with this 6-5 white guy who played college basketball in the 60's...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qv0YS1wHoQ

BTW, in his 68 point game, he was defended, at least for portions of the game...by the 6-4 Walt Frazier.


Now, keep in mind that the Pistol played in the same era that West and Oscar played in, and yet, virtually no one ranked him above those two in terms of greatness. How come?

Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

chamberlain played in the 60s where players couldn't stand dribble with their left hand. bird played during the era of Jordan. Bird would be a upgraded version of Dirk in todays game

Yep...how about this footage from 1962...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soLH6bau9uo

I have already shown footage of Pistol Pete, who was playing college ball in 1967, but how about Ernie D in the early 70's?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY65sR4rvA0


Bird played against a Dr. J who was still great, but past his peak. A PEAK Erving played in an ABA that had Rick Barry scoring 31.5 ppg in '72. The same Barry who had averaged 35.6 ppg in '67, and then would average 30.6 ppg in the NBA in '75.

Erving also played against the 7-2 Artis Gilmore, who would win ABA MVP in '72. The same Gilmore who would put up staggering efficiency seasons in the 80's. The same Gilmore, who in his first 10 straight games against Olajuwon, averaged 24 ppg on...get this... a .677 FG%.

And yet, a prime Gilmore was outplayed by a 35 year old Wilt in the '71-72 ABA-NBA ASG...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1utx7OxiaoU


The same Gilmore, who in the '70 NCAA title game was outplayed a 6-9 Sidney Wicks (who?)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYvw3-G0iTU

The same Wicks who played alongside Kareem at UCLA in the late 60's.


Furthermore...

Bird and Magic came into the league in the '79-80 season. Obviously those two just took over the league, right? A league with a bunch of players who had played in the 70's (and some in the 60's.)

Yep...the first FOUR MVPs in the Bird-Magic era... all played in the 70's (and even the 60's.)

The first FIVE scoring leaders...players who had played in the 70's.

The first SIX rpg...all players who had played in the 70's, including Bill Walton's backup at UCLA in the early 70's.

The first FIVE FG% leaders...played in the 70's.

The first FIVE PER leaders in the 80's...all played in the 70's.

And yet Bird gets credit for facing Jordan, but had his problems with Adrian Dantley, particularly in the early 80's...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&hint=Adrian+Dantley&player_id1_select=Adrian+Dantley&player_id1=dantlad01&hint=Larry+Bird&player_id2_select=Larry+Bird&player_id2=birdla01

Yep... the NBA, pre-Bird, was just pathetic...

[Mr Feeny]

Yeah, because accolades and rankings chosen by media members who never played pro sports in their life is really objective.,,

:facepalm :roll: :lol

Is this reply serious? :oldlol:

[BigKAT]

I like the legacy seperation.
Too hard to compare them to modern athletes.

[pastis]

I like the legacy seperation.
Too hard to compare them to modern athletes.

this.

very good tier ranking all in all imo

[Sarcastic]

I like the legacy seperation.
Too hard to compare them to modern athletes.

It's only hard for simple minded folks.

[BigKAT]

It's only hard for simple minded folks.

Enjoy your intellectual supremecy my friend.

[aj1987]

:roll: :roll: @ Ilt Chokerlain being anywhere close to the top 5.

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

[SwayDizzle]

r u really telling us that duncan is in a separate tier to kobe? gtfo

it doesn't get closer than kobe and duncan in the all time rankings. kobe is in the same tier as magic, duncan, bird etc.

bron hasn't shown us he is in a tier all by himself. if he was there would be a consensus. there are several players that have destroyed bron in the playoffs.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt has a solid case for GOAT PLAYOFF performer...


Gotta love the Ajackoffs of this site. CONTEXT. He has no clue what that means.

Scoring? How about post-season runs of 28, 29, 33, 35, 35, and 37 ppg? How about post-season series of 37, 37, 39, and 39 ppg? How about post-season series of 28-30, 29-28, 30-31, 31-27, and 34-27 against RUSSELL? How about 13 playoff games of 40+...11 of which came in his 52 playoff games in his "scoring" seasons (21% for those keeping track.) How about MUST WIN games of 45-27 (Finals BTW), 46-34 (against RUSSELL BTW), 50-22, 50-35 (against RUSSELL BTW), and even a 56-35-12 game? As well as another 50 point game in the '64 WDF's. Or series clinching games of 30-32, 30-26, 38-26, and 39-26-10?

How about his MUST WIN playoff games? In his 23 must win playoff games...

31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in the same span.)

How about his 37 MUST WIN, and SERIES CLINCHING playoff games?

29.5 ppg, 26.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, and on a .546 FG% (again, in post-seasons that shot .435 in that span...or nearly TWELVE percentage points above the league average.)


Rebounding? Simply...the GOAT post-season rebounder in NBA history. Yes, Russell had a slightly higher average... 24.9 rpg to 24.5 rpg...BUT, in their eight playoff series H2H's, Chamberlain outrebounded Russell in EVERY one of them. Including margins of 5, 6, and even 9 rpg! Oh, Chamberlain is also the all-time FINALS leading rebounder with a career average of 24.6 rpg.

He played in 13 post-seasons, and his LOW was 20.2 rpg. He also had post-seasons of 28, 29, and even 30 rpg. And he had series of 30 and 31 rpg (both against RUSSELL BTW.) In his LAST post-season, at age 36, and covering 17 games... 22.5 rpg, in a post-season that averaged 50.6 rpg per team (just this last season the NBA averaged 42.0 rpg.) That translates to 19 rpg in the '16 playoffs. In his LAST season.

He played in 29 post-season series, and was never outrebounded by an opposing center in ANY of them. He was outrebounded by PF Jerry Lucas in ONE...and by a 21.0 to 20.0 rpg margin/ However, when the two faced each other as CENTERS, a 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg, outrebounded the 31 year old Lacas, playing 46 mpg, by a 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg margin.

Wilt was outrebounding Reed by 14 rpg, Thurmond by 7 rpg, and Russell by 9 rpg.


Playoff RECORDS? Surely this "declining" Wilt would not have any post-season records, right? How about, and by far, the most 20-20 games, the most 30-20 games, the most 20-30 games, the most 30-30 games, the most 40-20 games, the most 40-30 games, the most 50-20 games, and the most 50-30 games? How about the most post-seasons of 20-20, 30-20, 30-25, 35-20?


Blocked shots? Tim Duncan just retired with the "official" post-season blocked shot record of 568 in his 251 playoff games. Well nbastats.net contributor, Julizaver found blocked shot data for 81 of Wilt's 160 post-season games...or roughly half (and almost all of it from the mid-60's on)...and... 590 blocked shots...in 81 games! Hell, an old Wilt blocked 33 shots in his '72 WCF's in the four known games of that series, and 15 of those were on KAJ!

Defense? Wilt held Russell to playoff series FG%'s of .399, .397, .386, and .358 (in a season in which Russell shot .454 against the NBA.) He held Thurmond to playoff series of .392, .373, and .343 (a PEAK Nate BTW...and in a season in which Thurmond shot .437 against the NBA.) He held Bellamy to .450 in a season in which Bellamy shot .521 against the NBA, and then to .421 in a season in which Bellamy had shot .541 against the NBA. Oh, can't forget Kareem, either. KAJ shot .577 and .574 against the NBA in '71 and '72. Against Wilt in those two post-seasons? .481 and .457 (including .414 in the last four games of that series.)

How about Wilt's FG% in his six Finals? .559...all while holding his opposing centers (all in the HOF BTW)...to a combined .439. Or how about his two game seven's of the Finals? He outshot Reed and Russell by a combined .708 to .333 margin (all while averaging 19.5 ppg and 25.5 rpg.)


Passing? Find me a CENTER who averaged 9.0 apg in an entire playoff run (which, BTW, led the post-season that year.) Or a center who had two straight triple-double series (28-27-11, and 22-32-10)?


Of course, had a PRIME Wilt faced the likes of a washed Smits, or a 35 year old Mutombo (whom Shaq was allowed to beat to a bloody pulp in some of the most disgraceful offciating in Finals history), or a never-was in the career 6 ppg scoring MacCulloch, or the complete bust in Eric Dampier... in his Finals...no doubt he would have been putting up 30-40-and 50 point playoff games against them.


So, next time someone claims that Wilt was NOT a Top-5 playoff performer...well, they would be wrong.

BTW, Shaq's playoff record against the legendary Greg Ostertag... 1-8.

And his numbers slipped considerably against the Robinson-led Spurs, who, quite often, single-covered him with the 6-7 Malik Rose.

Anyone putting Shaq over Wilt has absolutely no knowledge of the game.

[Mr Feeny]

Wilt has a solid case for GOAT PLAYOFF performer...



BTW, Shaq's playoff record against the legendary Greg Ostertag... 1-8.

And his numbers slipped considerably against the Robinson-led Spurs, who, quite often, single-covered him with the 6-7 Malik Rose.

Anyone putting Shaq over Wilt has absolutely no knowledge of the game.Shaq wasn't playing a 1 on 1 game with Ostertag. The utah jazz were playing the relatively weaker Los Angeles Lakers.

Like it or not, a LOT of people have Shaq higher than Wilt all time. If you don't like it, that's great.
You don't have to throw a tantrum and cry about it

[Mr Feeny]

:roll: :roll: @ Ilt Chokerlain being anywhere close to the top 5.

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

Do we really need to see the Wilt stan derail every thread with 10 copy pasted paragraphs only to see aj completely shred him to bits with this?

Really? In every freaking thread?

I suggest that ilt/kobe stan lazaruss stop being a gluten to punishment and knows what's what.

[aj1987]

Do we really need to see the Wilt stan derail every thread with 10 copy pasted paragraphs only to see aj completely shred him to bits with this?

Really? In every freaking thread?

I suggest that ilt/kobe stan lazaruss stop being a gluten to punishment and knows what's what.
:oldlol:

Apparently, Chokerlain has a case for "GOAT" Playoff performer. GOAT choker? Definitely.

Evidence #1:


.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals

Evidence #2:

Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18


Evidence #3:

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

[Derivative]

look at moses malone's career stats, it's not that consistently impressive. he was only good for a few years. he's not in tier 3.

[Derivative]

r u really telling us that duncan is in a separate tier to kobe? gtfo

it doesn't get closer than kobe and duncan in the all time rankings. kobe is in the same tier as magic, duncan, bird etc.

bron hasn't shown us he is in a tier all by himself. if he was there would be a consensus. there are several players that have destroyed bron in the playoffs.

2 MVPS > 1 MVP
3 FMVP > 2 FMVP
Duncan > Kobe

[SouBeachTalents]

look at moses malone's career stats, it's not that consistently impressive. he was only good for a few years. he's not in tier 3.

You're telling me Wade had more elite seasons than Moses did?

[Derivative]

You're telling me Wade had more elite seasons than Moses did?

Wade in his peak was a bonafide young MJ. If he didn't get injured during his prime and if Bron didn't chock in 2011, he would likely have 3+ FMVP and 5+ Champions

[Big164]

Shaq wasn't playing a 1 on 1 game with Ostertag. The utah jazz were playing the relatively weaker Los Angeles Lakers.

Like it or not, a LOT of people have Shaq higher than Wilt all time. If you don't like it, that's great.
You don't have to throw a tantrum and cry about it
fool, Shaq dont even have Shaq higher than Wilt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YjzdNmO1Wg

[TheWinningFam]

fool, Shaq dont even have Shaq higher than Wilt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YjzdNmO1Wg
When will you dudes learn that player's opinions hold very little weight, Is shaq's basketball opinion more valuable than greg popovich or phil jackson?

[Big164]

a case for "GOAT"

Evidence #1:
Only player to lead Two NBA franchises to 68+ Win seasons and Finals Victories.


Evidence #2:
https://s18.postimg.io/9qbrx4fkp/ppg.png


Evidence #3:
https://s11.postimg.org/9u66ptjs3/per.png

Evidence #4:

Chamberlain's Rebounding+ INCREASE from the RS to the PO's:

'60: -1.2
'61: -4.2
'62: +.9
'63: Had stamina to nail 14 chicks in one night , in addition to averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8% in the NBA
'64: +2.9
'65: +4.3
'66: +5.6
'67: +4.9
'68: +.9
'69: +3.6
'70: +3.8 (Wilt was fornicating 30 women per week, so not really gonna count this year)
'71: +2
'72: +1.8
'73: +3.9

24.6 rpg in NBA Finals, highest in history.
:bowdown:

[Mr Feeny]

Evidence #1:
Only player to lead Two NBA franchises to 68+ Win seasons and Finals Victories.


Evidence #2:
https://s18.postimg.io/9qbrx4fkp/ppg.png


Evidence #3:
https://s11.postimg.org/9u66ptjs3/per.png

Evidence #4:

Chamberlain's Rebounding+ INCREASE from the RS to the PO's:

'60: -1.2
'61: -4.2
'62: +.9
'63: Had stamina to nail 14 chicks in one night , in addition to averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8% in the NBA
'64: +2.9
'65: +4.3
'66: +5.6
'67: +4.9
'68: +.9
'69: +3.6
'70: +3.8 (Wilt was fornicating 30 women per week, so not really gonna count this year)
'71: +2
'72: +1.8
'73: +3.9

24.6 rpg in NBA Finals, highest in history.
:bowdown:


We're sorry but he's an 18 ppg, 37%FT shooter when it counts - the finals.
I read that earlier in this thread.

Is that true?:biggums:

[LAZERUSS]

A 34 year old Wilt, playing a year after major knee surgery, and having the WORST season of his career, and battling a PEAK Kareem in arguably his greatest season (counting the playoffs)...


Game 5 April 18, 1971

Bucks Await Championship Series
Wilt Wins 7-Foot Battle But Loses 7-Game Set
By BOB GREENE
Associated Press Sports Writer

MILWAUKEE — Wilt Chamberlain captured the battle of the seven-footers,
but soaring "Captain Marvel" powered t he Milwaukee Bucks to the Western
Conference title yesterday in the National Basketball Association playoffs.
The Bucks, 116-98 winners over the Los Angeles Lakers, now will take on
the Eastern Conference champions Wednesday night in the opening game of the best-of-7 championship series.

Milwaukee's opponent will be the winner of tonight's battle between
the New York Knicks and the Baltimore Bullets. The Bullets deadlocked their
semifinal series against the Knicks with a 113-96 victory
Sunday, forcing a seventh game in New York tonight

"Captain Marvel" is Greg Smith, the Bucks' 6 foot-5 forward
who is considered long on defense but short on offense.
Against the Lakers Sunday, he paced the Bucks with 22 points,
leading Milwaukee's well-balanced scoring attack.

"This is the first time I've led a team in scoring since I was in
high school," said Smith, a three year NBA veteran.
"That's seven years since I've been the high scorer."

While 7-2 Lew Alcindor and 7-1 Chamberlain battled, Smith
sneaked in time and again for crucial rebounds or vital points.
Because of foul trouble, he played only 23 minutes, less
than one-half of the game.

Chamberlain, the veteran Laker center, continued his dominance
outscoring the Bucks' center, 23-20, and blocked six shots
while Alcindor slapped away three would-be baskets.

Four times, Chamberlain knocked away an Alcindor field
goal attempt, and twice Alcindor did the same on Chamberlain's
shots.

In the rebounding battle, Alcindor finished with 15 and
Chamberlain 12.

Bob Dandridge added 20 points to Milwaukee's total.
High for Los Angeles was Happy Hairston with 27.
With their first conference crown in hand, the Bucks
immediately turned to their next goal, the NBA championship.
"We want the Knicks," said Robertson. "We have something
to prove. If we beat Baltimore, everyone will say the Knicks
were the best team, they lost because of injuries."

Alcindor agreed. "We want to be the best," he
said, "and we want to do it by beating the champions.



Then, in year later, and at age 35, and well past his prime, and against a PEAK Kareem, who was coming off what would be the greatest regular season of his career...


Kareem’s Image as Best Suffered in Buck Defeat
Bob Wolf
The Milwaukee Journal, April 24, 1972

When the Milwaukee Bucks won the National Basketball Association championship a year ago, there was talk that they had a dynasty in the making.

But their dynasty ended before it really began, and Kareem Abdul Jabbar’s reputation as the greatest center of all time was tarnished in the process.

Abdul-Jabbar failed to outplay either Nate Thurmond of the Golden State Warriors or Wilt Chamberlain of the Los Angeles Lakers in the playoffs, and his inability to contain Chamberlain finally made the difference in the Laker series that ended in disaster at the Arena Saturday

Matter of Muscle

In the first round series with the Warriors, Abdul-Jabbar outrebounded Thurmond 95-89, but was outscored, 127-114. The Bucks won the series, four games to one.

In the semifinal series with the Lakers, Abdul-Jabbar had a tremendous edge in scoring, 202-67, but was outrebounded, 116-105, and was outmuscled by a greater margin than that. He actually reached the point on occasion where he was intimidated by Chamberlain as he headed toward the basket, and who ever heard of the big Buck being intimidated?

The Lakers eliminated the Bucks in six games, and the turning point occurred, with the series tied 2-2, when Chamberlain took advantage of his tremendous advantage in weight and strength and began pushing Abdul-Jabbar around. Wilt is listed at 275 pounds but probably weighs 290, to Abdul-Jabbar’s 230.

Perhaps the best illustration of Abdul-Jabbar’s difficulties lay in his shooting averages. He shot .574 in the regular season but only .437 in the playoffs ― .405 against Thurmond and .457 against Chamberlain.

Because of the strong defensive work of his two veteran rivals, Abdul-Jabbar often was forced away from his favorite shooting positions. He took hook shots from 12 to 15 feet away instead of from 8 to 10, and sometimes he even resorted to 15 foot jump shots.

Keep It Up

As Chamberlain put it after the fifth game in Los Angeles, which the Lakers won, 115-90, “Tonight Kareem was taking jump shots. That’s something he doesn’t usually do, but I hope he keeps on doing it.”

Abdul-Jabbar took more jump shots Saturday as the Lakers ended the series with a 104-100 victory, and Bucks Coach Larry Costello said, “I don’t want Kareem taking 15 footers. You do that and you’re just not playing your game.”

But Chamberlain’s dominating presence obviously had much to do with Abdul-Jabbar’s change in tactics, and Wilt’s performance against the man who supposedly had usurped his title as king of the giants must have been one of the most satisfying of his long career.

And how about this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain


In the post-season, the Lakers swept the Chicago Bulls,[92] then went on to face the Milwaukee Bucks of young superstar center and regular-season MVP Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (formerly Lew Alcindor). The matchup between Chamberlain and Abdul-Jabbar was hailed by LIFE magazine as the greatest matchup in all of sports. Chamberlain would help lead the Lakers past Abdul-Jabbar and the Bucks in six games.[92] Particularly, Chamberlain was lauded for his performance in Game 6, which the Lakers won 104–100 after trailing by 10 points in the fourth quarter: he scored 24 points and 22 rebounds, played all 48 minutes and outsprinted the younger Bucks center on several late Lakers fast breaks.[93] Jerry West called it "the greatest ball-busting performance I have ever seen."[93] Chamberlain performed so well in the series that TIME magazine stated, "In the N.B.A.'s western division title series with Milwaukee, he (Chamberlain) decisively outplayed basketball's newest giant superstar, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, eleven years his junior

Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

One more time...


Gotta love the Ajackoffs of this site. CONTEXT. He has no clue what that means.

Scoring? How about post-season runs of 28, 29, 33, 35, 35, and 37 ppg? How about post-season series of 37, 37, 39, and 39 ppg? How about post-season series of 28-30, 29-28, 30-31, 31-27, and 34-27 against RUSSELL? How about 13 playoff games of 40+...11 of which came in his 52 playoff games in his "scoring" seasons (21% for those keeping track.) How about MUST WIN games of 45-27 (Finals BTW), 46-34 (against RUSSELL BTW), 50-22, 50-35 (against RUSSELL BTW), and even a 56-35-12 game? As well as another 50 point game in the '64 WDF's. Or series clinching games of 30-32, 30-26, 38-26, and 39-26-10?

How about his MUST WIN playoff games? In his 23 must win playoff games...

31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in the same span.)

How about his 37 MUST WIN, and SERIES CLINCHING playoff games?

29.5 ppg, 26.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, and on a .546 FG% (again, in post-seasons that shot .435 in that span...or nearly TWELVE percentage points above the league average.)


Rebounding? Simply...the GOAT post-season rebounder in NBA history. Yes, Russell had a slightly higher average... 24.9 rpg to 24.5 rpg...BUT, in their eight playoff series H2H's, Chamberlain outrebounded Russell in EVERY one of them. Including margins of 5, 6, and even 9 rpg! Oh, Chamberlain is also the all-time FINALS leading rebounder with a career average of 24.6 rpg.

He played in 13 post-seasons, and his LOW was 20.2 rpg. He also had post-seasons of 28, 29, and even 30 rpg. And he had series of 30 and 31 rpg (both against RUSSELL BTW.) In his LAST post-season, at age 36, and covering 17 games... 22.5 rpg, in a post-season that averaged 50.6 rpg per team (just this last season the NBA averaged 42.0 rpg.) That translates to 19 rpg in the '16 playoffs. In his LAST season.

He played in 29 post-season series, and was never outrebounded by an opposing center in ANY of them. He was outrebounded by PF Jerry Lucas in ONE...and by a 21.0 to 20.0 rpg margin/ However, when the two faced each other as CENTERS, a 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg, outrebounded the 31 year old Lacas, playing 46 mpg, by a 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg margin.

Wilt was outrebounding Reed by 14 rpg, Thurmond by 7 rpg, and Russell by 9 rpg.


Playoff RECORDS? Surely this "declining" Wilt would not have any post-season records, right? How about, and by far, the most 20-20 games, the most 30-20 games, the most 20-30 games, the most 30-30 games, the most 40-20 games, the most 40-30 games, the most 50-20 games, and the most 50-30 games? How about the most post-seasons of 20-20, 30-20, 30-25, 35-20?


Blocked shots? Tim Duncan just retired with the "official" post-season blocked shot record of 568 in his 251 playoff games. Well nbastats.net contributor, Julizaver found blocked shot data for 81 of Wilt's 160 post-season games...or roughly half (and almost all of it from the mid-60's on)...and... 590 blocked shots...in 81 games! Hell, an old Wilt blocked 33 shots in his '72 WCF's in the four known games of that series, and 15 of those were on KAJ!

Defense? Wilt held Russell to playoff series FG%'s of .399, .397, .386, and .358 (in a season in which Russell shot .454 against the NBA.) He held Thurmond to playoff series of .392, .373, and .343 (a PEAK Nate BTW...and in a season in which Thurmond shot .437 against the NBA.) He held Bellamy to .450 in a season in which Bellamy shot .521 against the NBA, and then to .421 in a season in which Bellamy had shot .541 against the NBA. Oh, can't forget Kareem, either. KAJ shot .577 and .574 against the NBA in '71 and '72. Against Wilt in those two post-seasons? .481 and .457 (including .414 in the last four games of that series.)

How about Wilt's FG% in his six Finals? .559...all while holding his opposing centers (all in the HOF BTW)...to a combined .439. Or how about his two game seven's of the Finals? He outshot Reed and Russell by a combined .708 to .333 margin (all while averaging 19.5 ppg and 25.5 rpg.)


Passing? Find me a CENTER who averaged 9.0 apg in an entire playoff run (which, BTW, led the post-season that year.) Or a center who had two straight triple-double series (28-27-11, and 22-32-10)?


Of course, had a PRIME Wilt faced the likes of a washed Smits, or a 35 year old Mutombo (whom Shaq was allowed to beat to a bloody pulp in some of the most disgraceful offciating in Finals history), or a never-was in the career 6 ppg scoring MacCulloch, or the complete bust in Eric Dampier... in his Finals...no doubt he would have been putting up 30-40-and 50 point playoff games against them.

GOAT.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

Wade in his peak was a bonafide young MJ. If he didn't get injured during his prime and if Bron didn't chock in 2011, he would likely have 3+ FMVP and 5+ Champions

:roll: :roll: :roll:

So you "the Bus Rider" ranked ahead of Moses Malone?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The same Wade, who at his PEAK, was never even considered the best player in the league (while Moses won THREE MVPs?)

The same Wade who had ONE THIRD place finish in the MVP balloting? ONE FIFTH place finish? ONE SIXTH? And one SEVENTH? While Moses had THREE MVPs, ONE THIRD, ONE FOURTH, and ONE SIXTH?

The same Moses who absolutely OWNED Kareem in their career H2H's (and even moreso in the POST-SEASON)?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&hint=Moses+Malone&player_id1_select=Moses+Malone&player_id1=malonmo01&hint=Kareem+Abdul-Jabbar&player_id2_select=Kareem+Abdul-Jabbar&player_id2=abdulka01

(and keep in mind that the above does not have the rebounding totals in many of those H2H's, but just an FYI...there were very few games in which Moses was outrebounded in those 40 H2H's.)


Just ridiculous...

[Derivative]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

So you "the Bus Rider" ranked ahead of Moses Malone?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The same Wade, who at his PEAK, was never even considered the best player in the league (while Moses won THREE MVPs?)

The same Wade who had ONE THIRD place finish in the MVP balloting? ONE FIFTH place finish? ONE SIXTH? And one SEVENTH? While Moses had THREE MVPs, ONE THIRD, ONE FOURTH, and ONE SIXTH?

The same Moses who absolutely OWNED Kareem in their career H2H's (and even moreso in the POST-SEASON)?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&hint=Moses+Malone&player_id1_select=Moses+Malone&player_id1=malonmo01&hint=Kareem+Abdul-Jabbar&player_id2_select=Kareem+Abdul-Jabbar&player_id2=abdulka01

(and keep in mind that the above does not have the rebounding totals in many of those H2H's, but just an FYI...there were very few games in which Moses was outrebounded in those 40 H2H's.)


Just ridiculous...

I commend you for your effort and argument, I will add Moses to tier 3.

[Cali Syndicate]

that's like saying Harvard graduate stock analysts working in Wallstreet can't have better understanding of McDonalds than the patty flippers who work there

Hardvard graduate CFA's are the equivalent of media sports writers on NBA voting panels and NBA players the same as burger flippers...totally.

[Big164]

We're sorry but he's an 18 ppg, 37%FT shooter when it counts - the finals.
I read that earlier in this thread.

Is that true?:biggums:
18 omg! you mean he topped Bron's performance vs Barea!?....
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

:dancin

[knicksman]

Unless youre a loser yourself, nobody puts a loser in the same sentence as jordan

[aj1987]

18 omg! you mean he topped Bron's performance vs Barea!?....
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

:dancin
The 2 rings Chokerlain won, he was the 6th and the 7th leading scorer, while being guarded by DeBusschere and Jeff Mullins. :roll:


Unless youre a loser yourself, nobody puts a loser in the same sentence as jordan
And hence no one's putting you and MJ in the same sentence.

[LAZERUSS]

The 2 rings Chokerlain won, he was the 6th and the 7th leading scorer, while being guarded by DeBusschere and Jeff Mullins. :roll:


And hence no one's putting you and MJ in the same sentence.

Except in the case of Barea and the Court Jester...it REALLY happened...

http://grantland.com/features/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary/


6:42: Just wanted to commemorate this moment: Miami down three, gets a rebound and gets the ball to LeBron on the right side of the key, with J.J. Barea defending him one-on-one … and LeBron turns and throws a pass 20 feet backwards to Wade at midcourt. A few seconds later, Miami gives it back to LeBron, who reluctantly backs Barea down to the low post … and bowls him over. Offensive foul. All hail the King!

http://thesportspost.com/lebron-james-nba-finals-history/#axzz4J905enVG


In this series, Dallas designed a defense specifically to slow down LeBron, but it’s not like he was consistently double- or triple-teamed like Jordan playing the Bad Boy Pistons. He could’ve gotten shots up at almost any time, especially along the perimeter. For big stretches during this game, by either holes in the Dallas zone or through unfortunate switches, LeBron ended up covered by J.J. Barea.

Barea is a point guard, listed at six feet, generously. He weighs 180 pounds soaking wet and looks to only be 5'10" on a good day. He’s one of the worst defenders in basketball. Yet it never occurred to LeBron James that, you know, he was LeBron James. He could post him up in his sleep. Either he gets an open look or he gets fouled. Easy, right? Nope, Barea stifled LeBron in their limited engagements. Dallas won the series that night. LeBron went on TV and made an ass of himself. As a LeBron hater, life couldn’t be better.






:roll: :roll: :roll:

How about more playoff Flop Jobs from the Court Jester...

http://thesportspost.com/lebron-james-nba-finals-history/#axzz4J905enVG

Who were the great teams that LeChoke faced in the East en route to a title?

NONE.


As our NBA Grand Poobah Sagar Panchal loves pointing out, LeBron has also played arguably the weakest conference in NBA history. Besides KG’s Celtics, who else has he had to beat in his own conference? Derrick Rose’s Bulls took care of themselves when Rose went down and stayed down. The Pacers nearly lost a playoff series with home-court advantage to a team whose third best player was Pero Antic. They’ve run into the Bobcats a few times… so there’s that. Could the 2007 Pistons really be the best team LeBron has beaten en route to the Finals? Really? This is the same team whose crunch time scorer was Rip Hamilton, splitting meaningful minutes between Nazr Mohammed, a 32-year-old, post ACL-surgery Antonio McDyess and a 133-year-old Chris Webber.



He did lose to the ONE team that was anything close to great, the '08 Celtics, and in that series, he shot .355 from the field.

3" put up tghe WORST Finals in NBA history by a Top-10 Goat in his prime in 2007. THE worst. Shot a horrific .356 from the field. And his play in the clinching (and sweeping loss) was BY FAR, the WORST by a Top-10 player in his prime in NBA history. In a one point loss... 10-30 from the field, AND, 2-6 from the LINE. LECHOKE!

How about his "clutch" play in the '15 Finals?

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/06/lebron-james-had-the-worst-awesome-performance-in-nba-finals-history


That’s sort of like giving World Series MVP to a pitcher who went 2-0 but in games that finished 11-9, right? Not really. Andre Iguodala was the rightful recipient of the Finals MVP and certainly deserved to win it by more than the 7-4 margin he had over LeBron. Why? Despite LeBron’s prodigious numbers, his offensive efficiency was garbage — and that’s being kind. Iggy was like a wall, holding LeBron to just eight uncontested shots prior to Game 6 and forcing The King into an 11-46 shooting performance when he was D’ing him up.

So, here was a BACKUP, winning the FMVP, all while SINGLE covering the Court Jester!

Then there was the '16 Finals.

In the first four games, LeChoke was, as ALWAYS, shut down by Iggy. Sure, he would put up meaningless points, ala game four, when his team was down by nine with 46 seconds left, and on three straight possessions he bypassed needed treys for uncontested layups...which were followed by useless fouls on ChoKurry, which were essentially trading layups for FTs.

Of course, after Green was blatantly suspended for doing absolutely nothing against the GOAT FLOPPER in NBA history, and then after "the Lebron Stopper" Iggy came up with a backup injury, and then after the Warriors main rim protector, Bogut went down with an injury, and after ChoKurry again fell apart in the Finals...and after KYRIE hit the game-winning shot...well, Lechoke won another ring.

Take away an Allen shot (following a wiild miss by 3"), and a Kyrie game seven game winner...and LeFlop would be "1-7."

Thanks for playing Ajackoff.

:cheers:

[aj1987]

Except in the case of Barea and the Court Jester...it REALLY happened...

http://grantland.com/features/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary/



http://thesportspost.com/lebron-james-nba-finals-history/#axzz4J905enVG




:roll: :roll: :roll:

How about more playoff Flop Jobs from the Court Jester...

http://thesportspost.com/lebron-james-nba-finals-history/#axzz4J905enVG

Who were the great teams that LeChoke faced in the East en route to a title?

NONE.



He did lose to the ONE team that was anything close to great, the '08 Celtics, and in that series, he shot .355 from the field.

3" put up tghe WORST Finals in NBA history by a Top-10 Goat in his prime in 2007. THE worst. Shot a horrific .356 from the field. And his play in the clinching (and sweeping loss) was BY FAR, the WORST by a Top-10 player in his prime in NBA history. In a one point loss... 10-30 from the field, AND, 2-6 from the LINE. LECHOKE!

How about his "clutch" play in the '15 Finals?

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/06/lebron-james-had-the-worst-awesome-performance-in-nba-finals-history



So, here was a BACKUP, winning the FMVP, all while SINGLE covering the Court Jester!

Then there was the '16 Finals.

In the first four games, LeChoke was, as ALWAYS, shut down by Iggy. Sure, he would put up meaningless points, ala game four, when his team was down by nine with 46 seconds left, and on three straight possessions he bypassed needed treys for uncontested layups...which were followed by useless fouls on ChoKurry, which were essentially trading layups for FTs.

Of course, after Green was blatantly suspended for doing absolutely nothing against the GOAT FLOPPER in NBA history, and then after "the Lebron Stopper" Iggy came up with a backup injury, and then after the Warriors main rim protector, Bogut went down with an injury, and after ChoKurry again fell apart in the Finals...and after KYRIE hit the game-winning shot...well, Lechoke won another ring.

Take away an Allen shot (following a wiild miss by 3"), and a Kyrie game seven game winner...and LeFlop would be "1-7."

Thanks for playing Ajackoff.

:cheers:
.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5


GOAT Choker.


Since you obviously didn't watch G7, even if Irving missed that shot, there was a minute left and the game was tied.

The 2 rings Chokerlain won, he was the 6th and the 7th leading scorer, while being guarded by DeBusschere and Jeff Mullins.

The mental midget would've retired ringless as a statpadding career loser and choker, if it wasn't for West and Goodrich. Thanks to West, as much as the mental midget tried to throw the series away (1969 NBA Finals), they won a ring.

So lets see. Chokerlain without West and Goodrich is a GOAT level choker statpadder. LeBron without Allen's shot is still a 2 time NBA champ.

[LAZERUSS]

LeChoke would have ONE ring. Kyrie won him his last ring. As always, with Lebron going 0-4 in the last four minutes of a game seven.


And it was WILT who CARRIED BOTH Goodrich and West to their only rings.

'72 FMVP.

Meanwhile, LeChoke was losing a FMVP to bench player in a series in which he was single-covered and shot .398.


Gotta love the Ajackoffs of this site. CONTEXT. He has no clue what that means.

Scoring? How about post-season runs of 28, 29, 33, 35, 35, and 37 ppg? How about post-season series of 37, 37, 39, and 39 ppg? How about post-season series of 28-30, 29-28, 30-31, 31-27, and 34-27 against RUSSELL? How about 13 playoff games of 40+...11 of which came in his 52 playoff games in his "scoring" seasons (21% for those keeping track.) How about MUST WIN games of 45-27 (Finals BTW), 46-34 (against RUSSELL BTW), 50-22, 50-35 (against RUSSELL BTW), and even a 56-35-12 game? As well as another 50 point game in the '64 WDF's. Or series clinching games of 30-32, 30-26, 38-26, and 39-26-10?

How about his MUST WIN playoff games? In his 23 must win playoff games...

31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in the same span.)

How about his 37 MUST WIN, and SERIES CLINCHING playoff games?

29.5 ppg, 26.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, and on a .546 FG% (again, in post-seasons that shot .435 in that span...or nearly TWELVE percentage points above the league average.)


Rebounding? Simply...the GOAT post-season rebounder in NBA history. Yes, Russell had a slightly higher average... 24.9 rpg to 24.5 rpg...BUT, in their eight playoff series H2H's, Chamberlain outrebounded Russell in EVERY one of them. Including margins of 5, 6, and even 9 rpg! Oh, Chamberlain is also the all-time FINALS leading rebounder with a career average of 24.6 rpg.

He played in 13 post-seasons, and his LOW was 20.2 rpg. He also had post-seasons of 28, 29, and even 30 rpg. And he had series of 30 and 31 rpg (both against RUSSELL BTW.) In his LAST post-season, at age 36, and covering 17 games... 22.5 rpg, in a post-season that averaged 50.6 rpg per team (just this last season the NBA averaged 42.0 rpg.) That translates to 19 rpg in the '16 playoffs. In his LAST season.

He played in 29 post-season series, and was never outrebounded by an opposing center in ANY of them. He was outrebounded by PF Jerry Lucas in ONE...and by a 21.0 to 20.0 rpg margin/ However, when the two faced each other as CENTERS, a 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg, outrebounded the 31 year old Lacas, playing 46 mpg, by a 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg margin.

Wilt was outrebounding Reed by 14 rpg, Thurmond by 7 rpg, and Russell by 9 rpg.


Playoff RECORDS? Surely this "declining" Wilt would not have any post-season records, right? How about, and by far, the most 20-20 games, the most 30-20 games, the most 20-30 games, the most 30-30 games, the most 40-20 games, the most 40-30 games, the most 50-20 games, and the most 50-30 games? How about the most post-seasons of 20-20, 30-20, 30-25, 35-20?


Blocked shots? Tim Duncan just retired with the "official" post-season blocked shot record of 568 in his 251 playoff games. Well nbastats.net contributor, Julizaver found blocked shot data for 81 of Wilt's 160 post-season games...or roughly half (and almost all of it from the mid-60's on)...and... 590 blocked shots...in 81 games! Hell, an old Wilt blocked 33 shots in his '72 WCF's in the four known games of that series, and 15 of those were on KAJ!

Defense? Wilt held Russell to playoff series FG%'s of .399, .397, .386, and .358 (in a season in which Russell shot .454 against the NBA.) He held Thurmond to playoff series of .392, .373, and .343 (a PEAK Nate BTW...and in a season in which Thurmond shot .437 against the NBA.) He held Bellamy to .450 in a season in which Bellamy shot .521 against the NBA, and then to .421 in a season in which Bellamy had shot .541 against the NBA. Oh, can't forget Kareem, either. KAJ shot .577 and .574 against the NBA in '71 and '72. Against Wilt in those two post-seasons? .481 and .457 (including .414 in the last four games of that series.)

How about Wilt's FG% in his six Finals? .559...all while holding his opposing centers (all in the HOF BTW)...to a combined .439. Or how about his two game seven's of the Finals? He outshot Reed and Russell by a combined .708 to .333 margin (all while averaging 19.5 ppg and 25.5 rpg.)


Passing? Find me a CENTER who averaged 9.0 apg in an entire playoff run (which, BTW, led the post-season that year.) Or a center who had two straight triple-double series (28-27-11, and 22-32-10)?


Of course, had a PRIME Wilt faced the likes of a washed Smits, or a 35 year old Mutombo (whom Shaq was allowed to beat to a bloody pulp in some of the most disgraceful offciating in Finals history), or a never-was in the career 6 ppg scoring MacCulloch, or the complete bust in Eric Dampier... in his Finals...no doubt he would have been putting up 30-40-and 50 point playoff games against them.

GOAT.

[aj1987]

LeChoke would have ONE ring. Kyrie won him his last ring. As always, with Lebron going 0-4 in the last four minutes of a game seven.


And it was WILT who CARRIED BOTH Goodrich and West to their only rings.

'72 FMVP.

Meanwhile, LeChoke was losing a FMVP to bench player in a series in which he was single-covered and shot .398.
So many excuses for that choking mental midget Chokerlain. :oldlol:

Played in the WOAT era. Padded his stats, because that all he played for. 30 in the RS, 22 in the PO's, and 18 in the Finals.

WOAT. Aptly name "The Big Dipper". :oldlol:

[aj1987]

Aj1987 is too dumb to waste actual sentences on. Just you emojis, bro
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In short, you got eviscerated, warriorfag, and you lost. Hold the massive L and move on.

[Big164]

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[Mr Feeny]

LeChoke would have ONE ring. Kyrie won him his last ring. As always, with Lebron going 0-4 in the last four minutes of a game seven.


And it was WILT who CARRIED BOTH Goodrich and West to their only rings.

'72 FMVP.

Meanwhile, LeChoke was losing a FMVP to bench player in a series in which he was single-covered and shot .398.

I'm sorry but...

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5


Could you verify these stats?
Many thanks

[LAZERUSS]

I'm sorry but...

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5


Could you verify these stats?
Many thanks

I can verify these...

Lebron in the '07 Finals. In a Finals in which he averaged 6 ppg less than his regular season ppg (using the same rounding methods used against Wilt)...and on a .356 FG%...in a season in which he shot .476.

Oh, and then in the clinching (and sweeping) game four one point loss...LeChoke shot 10-30 from the field, and 2-6 from the line.


How about the '11 Finals? Scored TEN PPG less than his regular season average (again, using the "Wilt" method of rounding.) Watched passively the entire series while a declining Wade couldn't cut the mustard/ Hell, Wade even yelled at the timid one in a critical game of the series. Then this physical specimen was SHUT DOWN by the 5-10 JJ Barea in the most critical moments of the series, as well.

How about the '13 Finals. Was a bystander in game six until the 4th quarter. Then comitted numerous turnovers in the waning minutes, and with his team down 3, he launched a wild trey that looked like a drunken Stevie Wonder throwing a bowling ball in a wind-tunnel. Fortunately for LeChoke...Ray Allen hit the most critical shot of the series...or LeFlop would have been "1-5."

How about the '15 Finals. In a season in which he shot .488...he couldn't do ANYTHING against the one-on-one defense of a role player off the Warrior bench, and ended up shooting .398. In his biggest game of the series, a winnable game six...he shot-jacked his way to 13-33 shooting. Then he meekly handed the FMVP to that same bench-player. An NBA first...two MVPs, in their primes...watching as a role player held up the FMVP trophy.

Even the '16 Finals. In the last four minutes of game seven...and as always...LeChoke came up empty. 0-4 from the floor, and just awful. And again, a TEAMMATE stepped up...and Kyrie hit the series winning shot.


Oh, and we can't forget Lebron QUITTING on his team in the 2010 playoffs, and even his own ownder acknowledged that LeChoke quit on his team in the 2009 playoffs.

Court Jester's most memorable moment oh his choking playoff career...being carted off after basically mailing in the series in game one of the '14 Finals...in the most one-sided beatdown ever administered in NBA Finals history...with...yep...MENSTRUAL CRAMPS.

Thanks for playing Feeble.

[aj1987]

LeBron quit in '09... :roll: :roll:

Bruh, LeBron is top 5. Ilt Chokerlain is top 15 at BEST.

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

WOAT

[jalbert009]

Tier 1 (Godlike, untouchable)
Michael Jordan

Tier 1.5 (Transcendence tier)
Lebron James

Tier 2 (Greatests of all time)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan

Tier 3 (All-time greats)
Hakeem Olajuwon
Julius Erving
Kobe Bryant
Karl Malone
David Robinson
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwyane Wade
Moses Malone

Legacy Tier (Early pioneers of the game, only good during their era)
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Jerry West
Oscar Robertson
Elgin Baylor

I actually agree with this Tier list and like the legacy tier part except I think Lebron should still be in tier 2. Let him finish his career first then we can discuss a tier above tier 2. Lebron still has a few years of elite game in him and is in a good team to compete for titles.

[Mr Feeny]

I can verify these...

Lebron in the '07 Finals. In a Finals in which he averaged 6 ppg less than his regular season ppg (using the same rounding methods used against Wilt)...and on a .356 FG%...in a season in which he shot .476.

Oh, and then in the clinching (and sweeping) game four one point loss...LeChoke shot 10-30 from the field, and 2-6 from the line.


How about the '11 Finals? Scored TEN PPG less than his regular season average (again, using the "Wilt" method of rounding.) Watched passively the entire series while a declining Wade couldn't cut the mustard/ Hell, Wade even yelled at the timid one in a critical game of the series. Then this physical specimen was SHUT DOWN by the 5-10 JJ Barea in the most critical moments of the series, as well.

How about the '13 Finals. Was a bystander in game six until the 4th quarter. Then comitted numerous turnovers in the waning minutes, and with his team down 3, he launched a wild trey that looked like a drunken Stevie Wonder throwing a bowling ball in a wind-tunnel. Fortunately for LeChoke...Ray Allen hit the most critical shot of the series...or LeFlop would have been "1-5."

How about the '15 Finals. In a season in which he shot .488...he couldn't do ANYTHING against the one-on-one defense of a role player off the Warrior bench, and ended up shooting .398. In his biggest game of the series, a winnable game six...he shot-jacked his way to 13-33 shooting. Then he meekly handed the FMVP to that same bench-player. An NBA first...two MVPs, in their primes...watching as a role player held up the FMVP trophy.

Even the '16 Finals. In the last four minutes of game seven...and as always...LeChoke came up empty. 0-4 from the floor, and just awful. And again, a TEAMMATE stepped up...and Kyrie hit the series winning shot.


Oh, and we can't forget Lebron QUITTING on his team in the 2010 playoffs, and even his own ownder acknowledged that LeChoke quit on his team in the 2009 playoffs.

Court Jester's most memorable moment oh his choking playoff career...being carted off after basically mailing in the series in game one of the '14 Finals...in the most one-sided beatdown ever administered in NBA Finals history...with...yep...MENSTRUAL CRAMPS.

Thanks for playing Feeble.

I'm sorry but you haven't addressed these points ?

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

:oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

I'm sorry but you haven't addressed these points ?

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

:oldlol:

Oh Fraud Feeble.

How about this...


Gotta love the Ajackoffs of this site. CONTEXT. He has no clue what that means.

Scoring? How about post-season runs of 28, 29, 33, 35, 35, and 37 ppg? How about post-season series of 37, 37, 39, and 39 ppg? How about post-season series of 28-30, 29-28, 30-31, 31-27, and 34-27 against RUSSELL? How about 13 playoff games of 40+...11 of which came in his 52 playoff games in his "scoring" seasons (21% for those keeping track.) How about MUST WIN games of 45-27 (Finals BTW), 46-34 (against RUSSELL BTW), 50-22, 50-35 (against RUSSELL BTW), and even a 56-35-12 game? As well as another 50 point game in the '64 WDF's. Or series clinching games of 30-32, 30-26, 38-26, and 39-26-10?

How about his MUST WIN playoff games? In his 23 must win playoff games...

31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in the same span.)

How about his 37 MUST WIN, and SERIES CLINCHING playoff games?

29.5 ppg, 26.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, and on a .546 FG% (again, in post-seasons that shot .435 in that span...or nearly TWELVE percentage points above the league average.)


Rebounding? Simply...the GOAT post-season rebounder in NBA history. Yes, Russell had a slightly higher average... 24.9 rpg to 24.5 rpg...BUT, in their eight playoff series H2H's, Chamberlain outrebounded Russell in EVERY one of them. Including margins of 5, 6, and even 9 rpg! Oh, Chamberlain is also the all-time FINALS leading rebounder with a career average of 24.6 rpg.

He played in 13 post-seasons, and his LOW was 20.2 rpg. He also had post-seasons of 28, 29, and even 30 rpg. And he had series of 30 and 31 rpg (both against RUSSELL BTW.) In his LAST post-season, at age 36, and covering 17 games... 22.5 rpg, in a post-season that averaged 50.6 rpg per team (just this last season the NBA averaged 42.0 rpg.) That translates to 19 rpg in the '16 playoffs. In his LAST season.

He played in 29 post-season series, and was never outrebounded by an opposing center in ANY of them. He was outrebounded by PF Jerry Lucas in ONE...and by a 21.0 to 20.0 rpg margin/ However, when the two faced each other as CENTERS, a 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg, outrebounded the 31 year old Lacas, playing 46 mpg, by a 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg margin.

Wilt was outrebounding Reed by 14 rpg, Thurmond by 7 rpg, and Russell by 9 rpg.


Playoff RECORDS? Surely this "declining" Wilt would not have any post-season records, right? How about, and by far, the most 20-20 games, the most 30-20 games, the most 20-30 games, the most 30-30 games, the most 40-20 games, the most 40-30 games, the most 50-20 games, and the most 50-30 games? How about the most post-seasons of 20-20, 30-20, 30-25, 35-20?


Blocked shots? Tim Duncan just retired with the "official" post-season blocked shot record of 568 in his 251 playoff games. Well nbastats.net contributor, Julizaver found blocked shot data for 81 of Wilt's 160 post-season games...or roughly half (and almost all of it from the mid-60's on)...and... 590 blocked shots...in 81 games! Hell, an old Wilt blocked 33 shots in his '72 WCF's in the four known games of that series, and 15 of those were on KAJ!

Defense? Wilt held Russell to playoff series FG%'s of .399, .397, .386, and .358 (in a season in which Russell shot .454 against the NBA.) He held Thurmond to playoff series of .392, .373, and .343 (a PEAK Nate BTW...and in a season in which Thurmond shot .437 against the NBA.) He held Bellamy to .450 in a season in which Bellamy shot .521 against the NBA, and then to .421 in a season in which Bellamy had shot .541 against the NBA. Oh, can't forget Kareem, either. KAJ shot .577 and .574 against the NBA in '71 and '72. Against Wilt in those two post-seasons? .481 and .457 (including .414 in the last four games of that series.)

How about Wilt's FG% in his six Finals? .559...all while holding his opposing centers (all in the HOF BTW)...to a combined .439. Or how about his two game seven's of the Finals? He outshot Reed and Russell by a combined .708 to .333 margin (all while averaging 19.5 ppg and 25.5 rpg.)


Passing? Find me a CENTER who averaged 9.0 apg in an entire playoff run (which, BTW, led the post-season that year.) Or a center who had two straight triple-double series (28-27-11, and 22-32-10)?


Of course, had a PRIME Wilt faced the likes of a washed Smits, or a 35 year old Mutombo (whom Shaq was allowed to beat to a bloody pulp in some of the most disgraceful offciating in Finals history), or a never-was in the career 6 ppg scoring MacCulloch, or the complete bust in Eric Dampier... in his Finals...no doubt he would have been putting up 30-40-and 50 point playoff games against them.

GOAT.

Thanks for playing Feeble.

Now move on...

maybe there are some introduction to basketball courses you can take online.

[AirFederer]

LOZARUZZ, why don`t you skip avoiding the harsh facts an man up, and write an essay about

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5


GOAT Choker.

[RRR3]

Why has LeBron got Jlauber so mad? He used to defend LeBron :confusedshrug:

[Mr Feeny]

LOZARUZZ, why don`t you skip avoiding the harsh facts an man up, and write an essay about

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5


GOAT Choker.

Oh. My. Goodness!

Could someone verify these? Are these real?

[LAZERUSS]

LOZARUZZ, why don`t you skip avoiding the harsh facts an man up, and write an essay about

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5


GOAT Choker.


Gotta love the Ajackoffs of this site. CONTEXT. He has no clue what that means.

Scoring? How about post-season runs of 28, 29, 33, 35, 35, and 37 ppg? How about post-season series of 37, 37, 39, and 39 ppg? How about post-season series of 28-30, 29-28, 30-31, 31-27, and 34-27 against RUSSELL? How about 13 playoff games of 40+...11 of which came in his 52 playoff games in his "scoring" seasons (21% for those keeping track.) How about MUST WIN games of 45-27 (Finals BTW), 46-34 (against RUSSELL BTW), 50-22, 50-35 (against RUSSELL BTW), and even a 56-35-12 game? As well as another 50 point game in the '64 WDF's. Or series clinching games of 30-32, 30-26, 38-26, and 39-26-10?

How about his MUST WIN playoff games? In his 23 must win playoff games...

31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in the same span.)

How about his 37 MUST WIN, and SERIES CLINCHING playoff games?

29.5 ppg, 26.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, and on a .546 FG% (again, in post-seasons that shot .435 in that span...or nearly TWELVE percentage points above the league average.)


Rebounding? Simply...the GOAT post-season rebounder in NBA history. Yes, Russell had a slightly higher average... 24.9 rpg to 24.5 rpg...BUT, in their eight playoff series H2H's, Chamberlain outrebounded Russell in EVERY one of them. Including margins of 5, 6, and even 9 rpg! Oh, Chamberlain is also the all-time FINALS leading rebounder with a career average of 24.6 rpg.

He played in 13 post-seasons, and his LOW was 20.2 rpg. He also had post-seasons of 28, 29, and even 30 rpg. And he had series of 30 and 31 rpg (both against RUSSELL BTW.) In his LAST post-season, at age 36, and covering 17 games... 22.5 rpg, in a post-season that averaged 50.6 rpg per team (just this last season the NBA averaged 42.0 rpg.) That translates to 19 rpg in the '16 playoffs. In his LAST season.

He played in 29 post-season series, and was never outrebounded by an opposing center in ANY of them. He was outrebounded by PF Jerry Lucas in ONE...and by a 21.0 to 20.0 rpg margin/ However, when the two faced each other as CENTERS, a 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg, outrebounded the 31 year old Lacas, playing 46 mpg, by a 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg margin.

Wilt was outrebounding Reed by 14 rpg, Thurmond by 7 rpg, and Russell by 9 rpg.


Playoff RECORDS? Surely this "declining" Wilt would not have any post-season records, right? How about, and by far, the most 20-20 games, the most 30-20 games, the most 20-30 games, the most 30-30 games, the most 40-20 games, the most 40-30 games, the most 50-20 games, and the most 50-30 games? How about the most post-seasons of 20-20, 30-20, 30-25, 35-20?


Blocked shots? Tim Duncan just retired with the "official" post-season blocked shot record of 568 in his 251 playoff games. Well nbastats.net contributor, Julizaver found blocked shot data for 81 of Wilt's 160 post-season games...or roughly half (and almost all of it from the mid-60's on)...and... 590 blocked shots...in 81 games! Hell, an old Wilt blocked 33 shots in his '72 WCF's in the four known games of that series, and 15 of those were on KAJ!

Defense? Wilt held Russell to playoff series FG%'s of .399, .397, .386, and .358 (in a season in which Russell shot .454 against the NBA.) He held Thurmond to playoff series of .392, .373, and .343 (a PEAK Nate BTW...and in a season in which Thurmond shot .437 against the NBA.) He held Bellamy to .450 in a season in which Bellamy shot .521 against the NBA, and then to .421 in a season in which Bellamy had shot .541 against the NBA. Oh, can't forget Kareem, either. KAJ shot .577 and .574 against the NBA in '71 and '72. Against Wilt in those two post-seasons? .481 and .457 (including .414 in the last four games of that series.)

How about Wilt's FG% in his six Finals? .559...all while holding his opposing centers (all in the HOF BTW)...to a combined .439. Or how about his two game seven's of the Finals? He outshot Reed and Russell by a combined .708 to .333 margin (all while averaging 19.5 ppg and 25.5 rpg.)


Passing? Find me a CENTER who averaged 9.0 apg in an entire playoff run (which, BTW, led the post-season that year.) Or a center who had two straight triple-double series (28-27-11, and 22-32-10)?


Of course, had a PRIME Wilt faced the likes of a washed Smits, or a 35 year old Mutombo (whom Shaq was allowed to beat to a bloody pulp in some of the most disgraceful offciating in Finals history), or a never-was in the career 6 ppg scoring MacCulloch, or the complete bust in Eric Dampier... in his Finals...no doubt he would have been putting up 30-40-and 50 point playoff games against them.

GOAT.




Thanks for playing.

[Mr Feeny]

Thanks for playing.We're sorry. You never answered our question.

511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

Are these legit? Could it be that Wilt was that much of a choker? Is this possible? :eek:

[LAZERUSS]

We're sorry. You never answered our question.

511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

Are these legit? Could it be that Wilt was that much of a choker? Is this possible? :eek:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12569835&postcount=91

:roll: :roll: :roll:

"the Fraud Fence-Jumpin Feeble"

[Mr Feeny]

511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

Could the Kobe and Ilt stan please respond?

[LAZERUSS]

511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

Could the Kobe and Ilt stan please respond?

I'm sorry, but what are doing here posting any more?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...5&postcount=91


You lost a stupid bet, and vowed to never show your ass on this forum again.

What happened?

Oh, and how about "switching horses in mid-stream" as well?

[Mr Feeny]

I'm sorry, but what are doing here posting any more?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...5&postcount=91


You lost a stupid bet, and vowed to never show your ass on this forum again.

What happened?

Oh, and how about "switching horses in mid-stream" as well?I'm sorry but you still didn't respond?511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

Surely these can't be true??

[LAZERUSS]

I'm sorry but you still didn't respond?511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

Surely these can't be true??

I'm sorry, but what are doing here posting any more?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...5&postcount=91


You lost a stupid bet, and vowed to never show your ass on this forum again.

What happened?

Oh, and how about "switching horses in mid-stream" as well?

[Mr Feeny]

I'm sorry, but what are doing here posting any more?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...5&postcount=91


You lost a stupid bet, and vowed to never show your ass on this forum again.

What happened?

Oh, and how about "switching horses in mid-stream" as well?

I'm sorry but I can't get past:511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5