Would Prime Shaq and Prime Lebron on the same team win the championship every year?

[TAZORAC]

Past prime Washed Shaq played on the same Calaviers team as Prime Lebron....if Shaq from year 3 to year 9 and Lebron from year 3 to year 9 when 6 straight NBA championships?

[BigKAT]

Past prime Washed Shaq played on the same Calaviers team as Prime Lebron....if Shaq from year 3 to year 9 and Lebron from year 3 to year 9 when 6 straight NBA championships?


Depends on the coach.

Bad coach?

5-6 Finals and 3-4 Championships.

Great Coach?

Yeah, 6/6 is possible.

Though Lebron's best years I think are past his athletic prime.
His intelligence is a key factor in his abilities, so I'd take Lebron years 7-12.
Shaq? yeah 3-9 sounds good.

[IllegalD]

Past prime Washed Shaq played on the same Calaviers team as Prime Lebron....if Shaq from year 3 to year 9 and Lebron from year 3 to year 9 when 6 straight NBA championships?


Hell no.

LeBron has an inconsistent jumper which was even worse in his earlier years. LeBron doesn't fit well with players that operate in the paint and clog the lane because the strength of his game is driving to the rim.

LeBron isn't a good floor-spacer for Shaq and struggles when he doesn't have the ball in his hands.

Look at what he did to both Bosh and Love when he relegated them to spot-up 3-point shooters simply because he's not skilled enough to adjust his game for them to fit in better.

[TommyGriffin]

They are not a good fit. Shaq clogs the lane too much and LeBron is a poor floor spacer.

[Mr Feeny]

Depends on the coach.

Bad coach?

5-6 Finals and 3-4 Championships.

Great Coach?

Yeah, 6/6 is possible.

Though Lebron's best years I think are past his athletic prime.
His intelligence is a key factor in his abilities, so I'd take Lebron years 7-12.
Shaq? yeah 3-9 sounds good.

I think so. 6-9 rings probably.
They would rival the Celtics dynasty.

[Bankaii]

The whole "Lebron can't play with low post players has been debunked multiple times".

Him and Shaq would win just about every year.

[BigKAT]

I think so. 6-9 rings probably.
They would rival the Celtics dynasty.

Do you also agree that this Combo is better off with a slightly past his physical prime Lebron?

I actually think he is a better player in terms of 'Winning' then he was in his pyhsical prime in 09-11.

[Mr Feeny]

Do you also agree that this Combo is better off with a slightly past his physical prime Lebron?

I actually think he is a better player in terms of 'Winning' then he was in his pyhsical prime in 09-11.

Absolutely. His athleticism wouldn't be needed. Intelligence and proper decision making on the court would be paramount.
Prime Shaq down there was a 38 ppg, 17 beast. Lebron might have the highest basketball IQ all time. I don't see this team doing anything but completely obliterate the rest of the league.

[JT123]

They would do better than 3/8

[bdreason]

Not a good fit. With a good coach raw talent wins them maybe 1 or 2 rings. I think they'd have more success with young Shaq as opposed to prime Shaq, because prime Shaq isn't going to play high P&R with LeBron all game which is what they would need to do to be a truly great duo.

[Sarcastic]

No Lebron is not good in the second option role. He gets outplayed by people like Jason Terry when he's the second option, and he would pretty much be that with Shaq.

[ILLsmak]

Not a good fit. With a good coach raw talent wins them maybe 1 or 2 rings. I think they'd have more success with young Shaq as opposed to prime Shaq, because prime Shaq isn't going to play high P&R with LeBron all game which is what they would need to do to be a truly great duo.


If he'd play the 4 and be primary ball handler, they could get a bunch of scrubs and would win.

I think if Bron would make cuts and push the break, it would be better than you think.

I think it would even work in the triangle. Bron would just have to, if he were to drive, drive away from Shaq. Imagine Bron on the left side w/ Shaq posted on the left. You can have a guy in the corner or a guy near the top, shooters spacing or a PF (assuming Bron isn't PF) half spacing like Horace would do.

Bron could get the ball, pass it to Shaq and cut, pass it to Shaq and wait for the pass back then drive to the right, where he could hit anyone for a 3 or Shaq for a lob/dump off if the C helped. That thing where a player passes it to shaq and cuts around Shaq under the hoop I think would be a really nice combo, too.

I think they would win as much as they would with Kobe... I dunno if Bron needs a super wet J, esp assuming there are no ego issues. Which is a big assumption...

-Smak

[NBAGOAT]

there are definitely going be chemistry issues but frankly idc. Miami wasn't perfect either with lebron/wade as a fit and they won titles over great teams. The top level teams weren't as great from 05-10 and lebron with prime shaq is better than past prime wade and bosh. I could see like 4 titles at least.

[Real14]

No Lebron is not good in the second option role. He gets outplayed by people like Jason Terry when he's the second option, and he would pretty much be that with Shaq.
Let's go phuck home everybody! End of the damn thread.

[Big164]

Only if Bron assumes the role of sidekick. Then everything would be dandy.

[iamgine]

I don't think it would be every year.

[Wally450]

Yes. Regardless of coach.

LeBron would average 24/7/8

Shad would average 32/12/4

LeBron would happily give LeBron any assist he could. LeBron loves giving out assists more than points.

[bizil]

ANYTIME u put Diesel with a top 3 caliber perimeter player in the world, it EQUALS great things! Penny, Kobe, and Wade proved that shit!! But PUTTING him with Bron at their primes, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO SCARY!! Bron was a pass first player who could ALSO lead the league in scoring. ONLY the BIG O was of that kind of cloth.

Putting that with with the Diesel would have been TOO EPIC!!! We saw what Magic and Cap did together! Which was five rings! Bron and Shaq would have reached that and likely even exceeded that. BECAUSE Bron was a more lethal scorer than Magic!

[pauk]

Eh? Yes... thats just to much domination, they would be very complementary on both ends, especially if you surrounded them with nothing but shooters...

He would have spammed many more assists drawing attention/double teams and lobbing it to a prime Shaq, when you think about it he could have been a different player somewhat (stylistically, statistically, what position he starts) if he got to play with him from the get go, i mean Lebron was drafted as a PG afterall & was meant to be developed as a full-time PG in the NBA, but with that Cavs roster his scoring ability was needed aswell... he maybe wouldnt have moved away from the PG position & got into a full-time PG role... been more of a 24-7-10 guy...

[bizil]

Eh? Yes... thats just to much domination, they would be very complementary on both ends, especially if you surrounded them with nothing but shooters...

He would have spammed many more assists drawing attention/double teams and lobbing it to a prime Shaq, when you think about it he could have been a different player somewhat (stylistically, statistically, what position he starts) if he got to play with him from the get go, i mean Lebron was drafted as a PG afterall & was meant to be developed as a full-time PG in the NBA, but with that Cavs roster his scoring ability was needed aswell... he maybe wouldnt have moved away from the PG position & got into a full-time PG role... been more of a 24-7-10 guy...

Great post! People FORGET that Bron came in the league as a PG. NOT A POINT FORWARD!! He was paired with Ricky Davis at the SG and Darius Miles as the SF. But as u stated, Bron ALSO had alpha dog scoring ability as well. And as we all know, he was the ultimate freak athlete too. So with those traits, the situation can dicate moving to the SF. And being a point forward a la Pip and Grant Hill. And ALSO being a freak athlete SF scoring machine a La Baylor, Doc, and Nique. Bron combined those elements in an EPIC PACKAGE!

[G0ATbe]

The whole "Lebron can't play with low post players has been debunked multiple times".

Well, debunk it again because I've yet to see this. Love was a dominant post player, now he's a 6'10 ray allen. Bosh was a pretty damn good post player, joins LeBald and becomes a 3pt specialist, no longers even knows how to post up:applause: . Shaq would be no different but i'm sure if LeBald told him to spot up at the 3pt line he'd just leave the team asap.

0 rings unless there's a 3rd all star in the mix, possibly 1 or 2.

[jayfan]

No.



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[aj1987]

Well, debunk it again because I've yet to see this. Love was a dominant post player, now he's a 6'10 ray allen. Bosh was a pretty damn good post player, joins LeBald and becomes a 3pt specialist, no longers even knows how to post up:applause: . Shaq would be no different but i'm sure if LeBald told him to spot up at the 3pt line he'd just leave the team asap.

0 rings unless there's a 3rd all star in the mix, possibly 1 or 2.
"I don't bang anybody anymore," Bosh said. "It's a tired thing for me. It's not my strength and I understand that."

"Just playing at an elite level, you play better defenders," Bosh said. "It gets tiring. What they ask us to do, to blitz the screen and roll, every single one, close out and get back. I wasn't this same weight. I was already 20-30 pounds lighter than anybody else. All that stuff just takes my energy."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24571850/heats-chris-bosh-on-playing-in-the-post-i-dont-bang-anymore

Replacing rookie Kobe with Rookie LeBron? 6 rings.

[Ca$H]

Who would close out games in the 4th quarter?

[tpols]

no ... with shaq clogging the paint, and the midrange conceded, Bron would have a tough time converting those buckets, especially young Lebron whose jumper was beyond broke. Between that and hack a shaq they would have serious problems closing games and the Spurs Twin Towers have proven themselves to be true limitators of Shaq, and lord knows what they would do to James when he struggled finding a rythym with just Duncan manning the paint.

They would still be scary on talent alone, despite the sort of wade-bron ish lack of chemistry, but the problem is shaq doesnt take backseats.. Wade did willingly.

[Dragonyeuw]

I have to think that the two most dominant overall forces since MJ would find a way to get it done, in spite of their games not perfectly aligning together. The question is, in today's landscape what team would be equipped to really challenge them asides from a healthy Warriors team( with Durant)? Those two surrounded by decent roleplayers and 3point shooting would be dominant.

[RRR3]

Like LeBron couldn't put up 15.6 PPG on 36% or whatever Kobe averaged in the 2000 finals. :lol



Also for all the Kobe stand pretending Kobe was some Ray Allen type shooter, which was apparently the reason he and Shaq won anything :rolleyes: , Kobe wasn't a good 3Pt shooter at all from 2000-02. 46-144 (31.9%) in 2000, 61-200 (30.5%) in 2001, and a pathetic 33-132 (25.0%) in 2002. For comparison, LeBron made more threes in the 13 and 14 playoffs alone (on much higher percentages) than Kobe did in the entire 02 regular season :roll:

[aj1987]

Like LeBron couldn't put up 15.6 PPG on 36% or whatever Kobe averaged in the 2000 finals. :lol



Also for all the Kobe stand pretending Kobe was some Ray Allen type shooter, which was apparently the reason he and Shaq won anything :rolleyes: , Kobe wasn't a good 3Pt shooter at all from 2000-02. 46-144 (31.9%) in 2000, 61-200 (30.5%) in 2001, and a pathetic 33-132 (25.0%) in 2002. For comparison, LeBron made more threes in the 13 and 14 playoffs alone (on much higher percentages) than Kobe did in the entire 02 regular season :roll:
Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

A difference of whopping 1.08 points a game on jumpshots.

Also, LeBron, for his career, is at 38.4% from midrange. Kobe? 40.2%.

[TAZORAC]

hell no.

Lebron has an inconsistent jumper which was even worse in his earlier years. Lebron doesn't fit well with players that operate in the paint and clog the lane because the strength of his game is driving to the rim.

Lebron isn't a good floor-spacer for shaq and struggles when he doesn't have the ball in his hands.

Look at what he did to both bosh and love when he relegated them to spot-up 3-point shooters simply because he's not skilled enough to adjust his game for them to fit in better.


they are not a good fit. Shaq clogs the lane too much and lebron is a poor floor spacer.


not a good fit. With a good coach raw talent wins them maybe 1 or 2 rings. I think they'd have more success with young shaq as opposed to prime shaq, because prime shaq isn't going to play high p&r with lebron all game which is what they would need to do to be a truly great duo.


no ... With shaq clogging the paint, and the midrange conceded, bron would have a tough time converting those buckets, especially young lebron whose jumper was beyond broke. Between that and hack a shaq they would have serious problems closing games and the spurs twin towers have proven themselves to be true limitators of shaq, and lord knows what they would do to james when he struggled finding a rythym with just duncan manning the paint.

They would still be scary on talent alone, despite the sort of wade-bron ish lack of chemistry, but the problem is shaq doesnt take backseats.. Wade did willingly.

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[Bronbron23]

Past prime Washed Shaq played on the same Calaviers team as Prime Lebron....if Shaq from year 3 to year 9 and Lebron from year 3 to year 9 when 6 straight NBA championships?

Nah.bron and prime ad gave up 2 games to one of the worst finals teams ever so no reason why bron and shaq would be a given against much tougher teams

[Thenameless]

Who would close out games in the 4th quarter?

Fisher and Horry, lol.

[light]

Yes, absolutely. Not only would they win every year, they could win 8-10 in a row.

It really depends on Shaq's dedication to staying in shape. If he gave LeBron what he gave Kobe, then Shaq and LeBron would probably only win 5-6 consecutive titles. If Shaq followed LeBron's work ethic then perhaps they could've even challenged Bill Russell's Celtics with some stupid consecutive number.

We know LeBron on his own can go to 8 consecutive finals so imagine if he had peak Shaq with him the whole time. It would be total domination.

[3ball]

Both are pippen's that need a closer, so no

And lebron stands around when he doesn't have the ball so he doesn't fit with guys like Shaq

[dankok8]

They would for sure win a lot because Shaq was past his prime by 03-04 and Kobe only entered his prime in 00-01. The two of them only played like 3 seasons both in their primes. With Lebron both in their primes they could win 4-5 rings but Shaq would get a bunch of those FMVP's. Bron could find Shaq in his spots really well but then again Lebron couldn't play that well off of Shaq because he isn't a great shooter and Shaq would clog the driving lanes a bit so it wouldn't be a fully synergistic dynamic.

[HoopsNY]

You're basically putting two top 10 players on the same team....in their primes. They win every single year, period.

[kawhileonard2]

They lost in 2010 together when they both had won league mvp's.

[Axe]

Both are pippen's that need a closer, so no

And lebron stands around when he doesn't have the ball so he doesn't fit with guys like Shaq
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[kawhileonard2]

Shaq won 3 finals mvp's and a league mvp he aint no Pippen who has 0 of both.

[Ainosterhaspie]

In response to the talk about LeBron needing a spacer for his big. Keep in mind every title has come with centers who don't space and power forwards who have been put in the role of being spacers to varying degree. Shaq as the non spacing center fits thus formula. A power forward or small forward role player who can shoot gives the needed balance.

Think lineups like Shaq/Battier/James/Green/Chalmers. Spacing is as good as any starting lineup James ever won with. Paint no more clogged than any team he's won with, actually less clogged than some of his title teams. It's two centerpieces and a bunch of role players. That team would be a nightmare to face.