More overrated cuisine: Italian or French?

[andgar923]

While perhaps not the most authentic French food, I've ate in two top rated French food restaurants in Old Town Quebec, 2 in Montreal and Ottawa. And while I could appreciate their technical aspects, they never left me craving for more.

I am on my way home from a 2 week Italian trip in which I've visited Rome, Naples, Positano, Amalfi, and currently Florence. I've gone to fancy top rated ristaurantes and small local favs, and only a pizzeria in the shithole Naples did the food leave me craving more.

In order my fav cuisines:

Mexican
American
Thai
Somali
Indian

[fiddy]

:facepalm

[sd3035]

Not a fan of most French cuisine

Italian is one of my favorites

[Draz]

Never had french

[kurple]

American?

[JtotheIzzo]

While perhaps not the most authentic French food, I've ate in two top rated French food restaurants in Old Town Quebec, 2 in Montreal and Ottawa. And while I could appreciate their technical aspects, they never left me craving for more.

I am on my way home from a 2 week Italian trip in which I've visited Rome, Naples, Positano, Amalfi, and currently Florence. I've gone to fancy top rated ristaurantes and small local favs, and only a pizzeria in the shithole Naples did the food leave me craving more.

In order my fav cuisines:

Mexican
American
Thai
Somali
Indian


In bold is crap.

Mexican is glorified street food, American is steakhouses and fast food, and I don't know what the f*ck Somali food is like but I am betting it sucks.

Yeah, I am sure there are some delicacies in Mexico, and American comfort food is 'really underrated', but its crap at the end of the day, especially vs Fench, Italian, Japanese, Chinese and other heavyweights.

Definitely tier 3 cuisines. And Somali, you just put that on there to be a troll. I have been to Africa, the food isn't memorable.

[Dresta]

Guy prefers Mexican, American and Indian to Italian food (don't know anything about Somali food, but that probably belongs here too)?

:facepalm

Have you been to India btw? That Indian take away you get isn't much like what you get in India.

[KiiiiNG]

Your list is actually pretty spot-on. Thai is probably my favorite, with Indian being a close second. American is top of the line. Can't go wrong with Mexican. Korean is the worst.

[CeltsGarlic]

Your list is actually pretty spot-on. Thai is probably my favorite, with Indian being a close to puking after eating. McDonalds is top of the line. Can't go wrong with chilly peppers. Korean is decent.
Fixed

[StephHamann]

English cuisine is the best

[Smoke117]

Italian cuisine is not overrated...stick to blowing MJ.

[gigantes]

@OP,
to eat authentic italian food all across italy (i'm assuming that's what you did) and say that only the pizza was decent has got to be one of the ISHiest of cringe posts i've ever read. a facepalm clearly isn't enough. more like the gas face, or better yet, the bloke in my avatar.

just... holy mother of mephistopheles, dude.



Mexican is glorified street food, American is steakhouses and fast food, and I don't know what the f*ck Somali food is like but I am betting it sucks.

Yeah, I am sure there are some delicacies in Mexico, and American comfort food is 'really underrated', but its crap at the end of the day, especially vs Fench, Italian, Japanese, Chinese and other heavyweights.

Definitely tier 3 cuisines. And Somali, you just put that on there to be a troll. I have been to Africa, the food isn't memorable.
and this is probably the weirdest post i've seen from you, vis-a-vis mexican and african food. it sounds like you get all around the world and somehow are terrified of going beyond the shortest of short lists year after year. holy shit, duderino... i don't know who deserve the bigger gas face between you and OP. let's see, where to even start...

authentic mexican food, like most latino food, hits some highs that no other culture can match IMO. for example, fresh, regional ceviche is probably the single greatest food on the planet. i would eat that stuff 9/10 times in a competition between that and good sashimi. there's just nothing like it.

and then, i can't speak for africa as a whole, but ethiopan, moroccan and middle-eastern foods are also some of the best i've ever had.
i'll send you two out with some images, because you both sound sheltered AF, heavy emphasis on the AF part.




https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ef/54/85/ef548547190763cfff874257e8dc6dfe.jpg




https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-06/17/15/enhanced/webdr08/enhanced-buzz-wide-20130-1403032248-13.jpg




https://spoonuniversity.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/173/2015/12/mezzes.jpg




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http://cookingschoolofaspen.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Morocco-Food-2-Square.jpg




http://www.kazbar.com/wp-content/themes/dtlbx/images/sliding-photos/01.jpg

[red1]

While perhaps not the most authentic French food, I've ate in two top rated French food restaurants in Old Town Quebec, 2 in Montreal and Ottawa. And while I could appreciate their technical aspects, they never left me craving for more.

I am on my way home from a 2 week Italian trip in which I've visited Rome, Naples, Positano, Amalfi, and currently Florence. I've gone to fancy top rated ristaurantes and small local favs, and only a pizzeria in the shithole Naples did the food leave me craving more.

In order my fav cuisines:

Mexican
American
Thai
Somali
Indian
You have a sophisticated and refined palate kind sir. I too am a fan of all of the cuisines listed here. :applause:

I can't speak too much about french food outside of a few incredible beef stews I have had. Italian food is certainly world-class.

[Lebowsky]

@OP,
to eat authentic italian food all across italy (i'm assuming that's what you did) and say that only the pizza was decent has got to be one of the ISHiest of cringe posts i've ever read. a facepalm clearly isn't enough. more like the gas face, or better yet, the bloke in my avatar.

just... holy mother of mephistopheles, dude.



and this is probably the weirdest post i've seen from you, vis-a-vis mexican and african food. it sounds like you get all around the world and somehow are terrified of going beyond the shortest of short lists year after year. holy shit, duderino... i don't know who deserve the bigger gas face between you and OP. let's see, where to even start...

authentic mexican food, like most latino food, hits some highs that no other culture can match IMO. for example, fresh, regional ceviche is probably the single greatest food on the planet. i would eat that stuff 9/10 times in a competition between that and good sashimi. there's just nothing like it.

and then, i can't speak for africa as a whole, but ethiopan, moroccan and middle-eastern foods are also some of the best i've ever had.
i'll send you two out with some images, because you both sound sheltered AF, heavy emphasis on the AF part.



http://www.kazbar.com/wp-content/themes/dtlbx/images/sliding-photos/01.jpg

That pic is not whatever you thought it was, that is most likely cypriot meze.

[G-train]

In order my fav cuisines:

Mexican
American
Thai
Somali
Indian

Do Somali's eat?

[gigantes]

That pic is not whatever you thought it was, that is most likely cypriot meze.
a meze as i understand it is a selection of local dishes.

a lot of the dishes in that pic fall in to the realm of middle eastern cuisine, i think.

middle eastern food is part of the culture or at least very popular across N. africa, hence why i linked that pic.

[fiddy]

Meze is a side dish/appetizer really. Something to go along with drinking.

[plowking]

lol at Mexican and American food. Garbage.

[Lebowsky]

a meze as i understand it is a selection of local dishes.

a lot of the dishes in that pic fall in to the realm of middle eastern cuisine, i think.

middle eastern food is part of the culture or at least very popular across N. africa, hence why i linked that pic.
Meze is more of a Greek, Cypriot , Turkish and Near Eastern thing. That one in your pic has grilled halloumi, which is a Cypriot cheese and a staple of Cypriot cuisine, hence my guess.

[G-train]

lol at Mexican and American food. Garbage.

love burritos

[gigantes]

Meze is more of a Greek, Cypriot , Turkish and Near Eastern thing. That one in your pic has grilled halloumi, which is a Cypriot cheese and a staple of Cypriot cuisine, hence my guess.
thanks for the info, and i think it does look delicious as drinking food.

anyway, my experience with greek and middle eastern food is that there's a lot of overlap. i've never been to N. africa, but i'd be amazed if that kind of thing wasn't popular there. i'm sure they have some great regional specialties, of course.

[fiddy]

Meze is more of a Greek, Cypriot , Turkish and Near Eastern thing. That one in your pic has grilled halloumi, which is a Cypriot cheese and a staple of Cypriot cuisine, hence my guess.
Its a part of Balkan cuisine as well and can be literally almost anything, but mostly is cheese/meat/salami dish.
https://www.google.bg/search?q=%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B5&num=50&rlz=1C1RLNS_enBG667BG668&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwimp-bu44vPAhWCvRQKHcrxArQQ_AUICCgB&biw=1536&bih=783

[Lebowsky]

thanks for the info, and i think it does look delicious as drinking food.

anyway, my experience with greek and middle eastern food is that there's a lot of overlap. i've never been to N. africa, but i'd be amazed if that kind of thing wasn't popular there. i'm sure they have some great regional specialties, of course.

Well I've only been to Morocco in North Africa and, while the ingredients are very similar, the dishes themselves are rather different. Tasty food anyway.


Its a part of Balkan cuisine as well and can be literally almost anything, but mostly is cheese/meat/salami dish.
https://www.google.bg/search?q=%D0%B...w=1536&bih=783
Then it's fairly different here. They don't have it as drinking food, but rather as a whole (plentiful) meal. There's fish/seafood meze and there is also meat meze, and I've never seen any cold cuts included.

[plowking]

love burritos

Who doesn't?

Point is, something greasy, unhealthy, and generally something you crave after a night of drinking, isn't some amazing cuisine. It is street food. Mexican food isn't some amazing array of flavours you can taste on an individual level. It is mushy, thrown together street food.

Some fresh shaved ham, freshly cooked bread, olive oil and tomatoes from a local market in Italy is 10 times better than any burrito.

[fiddy]

Well I've only been to Morocco in North Africa and, while the ingredients are very similar, the dishes themselves are rather different. Tasty food anyway.


Then it's fairly different here. They don't have it as drinking food, but rather as a whole (plentiful) meal. There's fish/seafood meze and there is also meat meze, and I've never seen any cold cuts included.
The meze term origins from the Ottomans, but i believe in the Balkans is widely accepted as a side cold dish. Funny thing is my aunt worked in Cyprus for 14 years, we've never talked about difference in meze. Here even salads can be passed as a meze, depending on the intentions of the user. :D



In the Balkans, meze is very similar to Mediterranean antipasti in the sense that cured cold-cuts, cheese and salads are dominant ingredients and that it typically doesn't include cooked meals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meze

[gigantes]

to dismiss mexican food as nothing but 'glorified street food' is to miss a rather spectacular number of points. people who say this sound like they just got out of prison or have eaten at nothing but school cafeterias their entire lives.

no... many cultures around the world have developed such fantastic street food that it's earning michelin stars now. it's not unusual for people in the know to say to a vacationer looking for the most iconic experiences: "okay, if you're going to such-and-such city, make sure you try some of the street food on this and that specific streets. it's can't miss stuff." that's how good street food has gotten, and you can bet your curvy yellow butt mexico is no exception.

also, as i posted a pic of, ceviche is one of the world's greatest dishes, and the various regions of mexico make all kinds of amazing ceviche, particular on the coasts.

i haven't tried as much of the labor-intensive / fine-dining mexican dishes as some, but i have no doubt there's some amazing stuff out there. there's no particular reason why there shouldn't be, after all.

using your paltry knowledge of tex-mex as your 'experience with mexican food' is like owning a couple seashells and claiming you're a marine biologist. get that lame-ass shit out of here, ISH...

[plowking]

to dismiss mexican food as nothing but 'glorified street food' is to miss a rather spectacular number of points. people who say this sound like they just got out of prison or have eaten at nothing but school cafeterias their entire lives.

no... many cultures around the world have developed such fantastic street food that it's earning michelin stars now. it's not unusual for people in the know to say to a vacationer looking for the most iconic experiences: "okay, if you're going to such-and-such city, make sure you try some of the street food on this and that specific streets. it's can't miss stuff." that's how good street food has gotten, and you can bet your curvy yellow butt mexico is no exception.

also, as i posted a pic of, ceviche is one of the world's greatest dishes, and the various regions of mexico make all kinds of amazing ceviche, particular on the coasts.

i haven't tried as much of the labor-intensive / fine-dining mexican dishes as some, but i have no doubt there's some amazing stuff out there. there's no particular reason why there shouldn't be, after all.

using your paltry knowledge of tex-mex as your 'experience with mexican food' is like owning a couple seashells and claiming you're a marine biologist. get that lame-ass shit out of here, ISH...

I've been to award winning Mexican restaurants and I've had burritos from the local Mexican place. It isn't some top notch cuisine.

If you want to talk about great food in the Americas, you start with the likes of Brazil and Argentina.

[highwhey]

I've been to award winning Mexican restaurants and I've had burritos from the local Mexican place. It isn't some top notch cuisine.

If you want to talk about great food in the Americas, you start with the likes of Brazil and Argentina.
Yeah...you don't know what you're talking about.

[Rocketswin2013]

probably french if its compared to italian

[Hawker]

lol at Mexican and American food. Garbage.

lol

Where exactly have you had mexican food?

Nothing in Australia counts.

[Hawker]

Yeah...you don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah he doesn't. The mexican food sucks in Australia so he really shouldn't have an opinion.

And the burrito place is a bastardized version of chipotle run by south americans.

[plowking]

lol

Where exactly have you had mexican food?

Nothing in Australia counts.

Oh yes, please teach me about culture. You've lived in what, 2 countries now? America and Australia? :oldlol:

One of my best friends is Mexican. I've tried homemade Mexican food. I've eaten at an award winning Mexican restaurant, and I've tried the fast food options.
lol at the Aussie one being a bastardised version of Chipotle. It isn't any better or worse. It is fast food. Just because you like your meat in America sweet, doesn't mean its better. :oldlol:

No where did I say it was bad. Everyone loves some Mexican food. I even stated that. It isn't some award winning, top notch food though. It isn't close to the level of Italian or French food. :oldlol:

[plowking]

Yeah he doesn't. The mexican food sucks in Australia so he really shouldn't have an opinion.

And the burrito place is a bastardized version of chipotle run by south americans.

Speaking for others. :oldlol:
Typical American way of thinking. You probably think you know every country you go to better than the locals. :oldlol:

[Hawker]

Oh yes, please teach me about culture. You've lived in what, 2 countries now? America and Australia? :oldlol:

One of my best friends is Mexican. I've tried homemade Mexican food. I've eaten at an award winning Mexican restaurant, and I've tried the fast food options.
lol at the Aussie one being a bastardised version of Chipotle. It isn't any better or worse. It is fast food. Just because you like your meat in America sweet, doesn't mean its better. :oldlol:

No where did I say it was bad. Everyone loves some Mexican food. I even stated that. It isn't some award winning, top notch food though. It isn't close to the level of Italian or French food. :oldlol:

In other words, your only source of real mexican food is homemade mexican food from one mexican friend. Guzman y Gomez isn't "real" mexican food anyway. Neither is Chipotle but it's much better than Guzman. I'm telling you this because I know better than you on this particular subject and the mexicans are agreeing with me on this thread.

Classic "typical american" comment slid in as well. Very creative and a showcase of ignorance yourself. :applause:

[Hawker]

lol at Mexican and American food. Garbage.

Never said it was bad?

Right.

[highwhey]

Never said it was bad?

Right.
:roll:

[andgar923]

I've been to award winning Mexican restaurants and I've had burritos from the local Mexican place. It isn't some top notch cuisine.

If you want to talk about great food in the Americas, you start with the likes of Brazil and Argentina.
But you live in Australia:rolleyes:

[plowking]

Never said it was bad?

Right.

Umm no. I was referring to OP's opinion. Not the food. So, you're wrong. Good on you for assuming.
I even stated several times, prior to you even beginning your argument with me that I like Mexican food.


In other words, your only source of real mexican food is homemade mexican food from one mexican friend. Guzman y Gomez isn't "real" mexican food anyway. Neither is Chipotle but it's much better than Guzman. I'm telling you this because I know better than you on this particular subject and the mexicans are agreeing with me on this thread.

Classic "typical american" comment slid in as well. Very creative and a showcase of ignorance yourself.

So homemade Mexican isn't a good reference point? An award winning restaurant isn't a good reference point? You know better than me how exactly? Because you've tasted American and Australian Mexican fast food? So have I. :oldlol:
Typical American comment? Sure, it doesn't apply when you're like "oh, you had that here? In this country? Nope. Doesn't count. Only American stuff does". LOL.

The Mexicans are agreeing with you is your argument? So, the people hyping the food being from that country is some sort of argument winner? :oldlol:

And I wasn't talking about Guzman.
You lose. Again. :oldlol:

In fact, I'm not even sure what your argument is here. No where did I state that Mexican food isn't delicious. Is it a top cuisine in the world? No. That is the point. I love food from my country too, but it isn't much more than street food either. lol at getting so sensitive.

[plowking]

But you live in Australia:rolleyes:

Another one. :oldlol:

Too easy.

America knows best, right? Just don't get them to point out most of the countries on a map that are being discussed in this thread. :oldlol:

[andgar923]

For those that don't know, Somali food is very rich in flavors. One thing that my list had in common is that they're all flavorful, very strong rich flavors that last in your taste buds after eating them.

The French food that I've tried was good, but it didn't leave me with any urge to keep eating it. I didn't have the taste in my mouth which left me craving for more.

Italian food is better than French imo, and while I did have some dishes that were rich in flavor, they still didn't compare to other cuisines.

Now to be honest, all cultures/cuisines are influenced from one another. There is a resemblance in dishes throughout the world. Somalia was colonized by Italians and others so there is a resemblance in their dishes. Mexico has strong French influences, as well as German and Spanish. Some Mexican food is almost identical to Lebanese and Italian. American food is perhaps the biggest melting pot from all over the world.

But being influenced is not the same as being the same.

Shawarma is prepared almost identical to Mexican 'pastor'. I had a slow cooked beef cheek in Italy that tasted very similar to a Mexican dish (cabeza). Somalis have dishes that are very similar to Mexican dishes, but there's always small variations on how they're prepared and served which makes them their own.

I'll take Italian over French, but I'll take the cuisines I mentioned over Italian any day.

But of course, this is all the definition of subjectivity.

[plowking]

Someone point me to some amazing Mexican dishes. Seriously.
Maybe despite having been exposed to as much as I have, I may have missed something.

I'd love to see an example of a great Mexican dish that rivals the best Italian and French foods.

[Charlie Sheen]

Umm no. I was referring to OP's opinion. Not the food. So, you're wrong. Good on you for assuming.
I even stated several times, prior to you even beginning your argument with me that I like Mexican food.



So homemade Mexican isn't a good reference point? An award winning restaurant isn't a good reference point? You know better than me how exactly? Because you've tasted American and Australian Mexican fast food? So have I. :oldlol:
Typical American comment? Sure, it doesn't apply when you're like "oh, you had that here? In this country? Nope. Doesn't count. Only American stuff does". LOL.

The Mexicans are agreeing with you is your argument? So, the people hyping the food being from that country is some sort of argument winner? :oldlol:

And I wasn't talking about Guzman.
You lose. Again. :oldlol:

In fact, I'm not even sure what your argument is here. No where did I state that Mexican food isn't delicious. Is it a top cuisine in the world? No. That is the point. I love food from my country too, but it isn't much more than street food either. lol at getting so sensitive.

I lived the first 15 years of my life in Mexico, and I prefer the American adaptations. Not hyping it, but I do think you are misrepresenting traditional Mexican food based on your limited exposure. I'm not trying to sound like a dick when I say that. Most Americans have equally as narrow a view of Mexican food.

[JtotheIzzo]

Guy prefers Mexican, American and Indian to Italian food (don't know anything about Somali food, but that probably belongs here too)?

:facepalm

Have you been to India btw? That Indian take away you get isn't much like what you get in India.

Did I bold Indian? No, Indian and Thai are world class.

Sorry, I know a lot of Mexicans and people of Latin descent post here, your food is awesome, but from a culinary standpoint its not world class. Not a diss, none of the white Anglo countries have decent cuisine either (though melting pot countries like US, Canada, Aus and the UK have amazing restaurants).

Aside from Dresta (whose head I reside in without payment) we are talking world class here, and hate it or love it French and Italian are world class.

Somali, ehhhh, not so much...sorry

[plowking]

Did I bold Indian? No, Indian and Thai are world class.

Sorry, I know a lot of Mexicans and people of Latin descent post here, your food is awesome, but from a culinary standpoint its not world class. Not a diss, none of the white Anglo countries have decent cuisine either (though melting pot countries like US, Canada, Aus and the UK have amazing restaurants).

Aside from Dresta (whose head I reside in without payment) we are talking world class here, and hate it or love it French and Italian are world class.

Somali, ehhhh, not so much...sorry

Someone clearly understands.

And further understands that Australia is home to many great restaurants from different cultures, unlike the others in here screaming "if it was in Australia it doesn't count". :oldlol:

[Charlie Sheen]

Did I bold Indian? No, Indian and Thai are world class.

Sorry, I know a lot of Mexicans and people of Latin descent post here, your food is awesome, but from a culinary standpoint its not world class. Not a diss, none of the white Anglo countries have decent cuisine either (though melting pot countries like US, Canada, Aus and the UK have amazing restaurants).

Aside from Dresta (whose head I reside in without payment) we are talking world class here, and hate it or love it French and Italian are world class.

Somali, ehhhh, not so much...sorry

I'm not endorsing the OP, and I don't know shit about French or Italian cuisine.

I do believe you were being disingenuous when you said Mexican food was street fare. It's more sophisticated than that. Yeah, tacos are part of Mexican cuisine. Burritos not so much. The wheat stuff is an American addition. When I think of Mexican food... the stuff I would eat as a kid in Mexico, I think of the time it takes to prepare and all the ingredients that are parts of each dish. There's a depth of flavor that comes out of it. I'm not trying to elevate it to some level of world class, but there's a lot more more than street food man.

[Dresta]

Did I bold Indian? No, Indian and Thai are world class.

Sorry, I know a lot of Mexicans and people of Latin descent post here, your food is awesome, but from a culinary standpoint its not world class. Not a diss, none of the white Anglo countries have decent cuisine either (though melting pot countries like US, Canada, Aus and the UK have amazing restaurants).

Aside from Dresta (whose head I reside in without payment) we are talking world class here, and hate it or love it French and Italian are world class.

Somali, ehhhh, not so much...sorry
I wasn't actually addressing you in that post at all, and yet you quoted me and replied all angrily as if i'd contradicted you (when my point was largely agreeing with yours anyway). This is pretty clear cut evidence that it is you who is obsessed with me and not vice versa (or so obsessed with yourself that you think every post is about you).

[Dresta]

For those that don't know, Somali food is very rich in flavors. One thing that my list had in common is that they're all flavorful, very strong rich flavors that last in your taste buds after eating them.

The French food that I've tried was good, but it didn't leave me with any urge to keep eating it. I didn't have the taste in my mouth which left me craving for more.

Italian food is better than French imo, and while I did have some dishes that were rich in flavor, they still didn't compare to other cuisines.

Now to be honest, all cultures/cuisines are influenced from one another. There is a resemblance in dishes throughout the world. Somalia was colonized by Italians and others so there is a resemblance in their dishes. Mexico has strong French influences, as well as German and Spanish. Some Mexican food is almost identical to Lebanese and Italian. American food is perhaps the biggest melting pot from all over the world.

But being influenced is not the same as being the same.

Shawarma is prepared almost identical to Mexican 'pastor'. I had a slow cooked beef cheek in Italy that tasted very similar to a Mexican dish (cabeza). Somalis have dishes that are very similar to Mexican dishes, but there's always small variations on how they're prepared and served which makes them their own.

I'll take Italian over French, but I'll take the cuisines I mentioned over Italian any day.

But of course, this is all the definition of subjectivity.
That's why you don't like Italian food: the flavour is not in your face enough, and you've probably overwhelmed your taste buds with years of eating hyper-flavoured food.

Have you tried good foie gras? Can't see how that wouldn't leave you with that taste in your mouth. Few things are richer in taste.

[gigantes]

For those that don't know, Somali food is very rich in flavors. One thing that my list had in common is that they're all flavorful, very strong rich flavors that last in your taste buds after eating them.
i suspect somali food is indeed delicious, which is why i came in to this thread fairly pissed-off. :P

i've had ethiopean food quite a few times, and it's utterly fantastic IMO. those two countries are next door neighbors, so i'm pretty sure there's a lot of culinary overlap.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Let's be real. This is as personal as it gets. French food blows in my opinion, but a lot of people hate Indian and that's my favorite.

I've been to award winning Mexican restaurants and I've had burritos from the local Mexican place. It isn't some top notch cuisine.

If you want to talk about great food in the Americas, you start with the likes of Brazil and Argentina.

Y'all eat vegemite your food opinions are worthless.


jk Mexican clearly ain't world class. There literally isn't a way to spend $1000 on a Mexican dinner. Same can't be said for other cuisines.

[andgar923]

Muta****@s don't know shit about Mexican food.

Mexican food is far more than just street food. There are fine Mexican food restaurants all over the world that have won Michelin Stars, world revered chefs, and Mexican food's influence reaches worldwide in both street and fine cuisine.

[plowking]

Muta****@s don't know shit about Mexican food.

Mexican food is far more than just street food. There are fine Mexican food restaurants all over the world that have won Michelin Stars, world revered chefs, and Mexican food's influence reaches worldwide in both street and fine cuisine.

So, why don't you show us some great examples?

[gigantes]

@jaytotheizzo,
i want to take you upon a glorious tour of world cuisine, WHEN you're a little more grown up and a little more ready, that is.

i think you have a heart of gold, so to speak, but you are just SO FLUFFING CLUELESS upon it all... hence, why i think it might be such an excellent time to do so, right?

[Nanners]

every culture has both good and bad food. what really matters is not where a dish was invented, but things like the quality of the cook, the quality of the ingredients...etc

[highwhey]

Let's be real. This is as personal as it gets. French food blows in my opinion, but a lot of people hate Indian and that's my favorite.


Y'all eat vegemite your food opinions are worthless.


jk Mexican clearly ain't world class. There literally isn't a way to spend $1000 on a Mexican dinner. Same can't be said for other cuisines.
so you've never been to a michelin star mexican restaurant.

this traditional plate is a featured plate at a michelin starred mexican restaurant:
http://images2.villagevoice.com/imager/u/original/6507085/pollomole.jpg

[plowking]

so you've never been to a michelin star mexican restaurant.

this traditional plate is a featured plate at a michelin starred mexican restaurant:
http://images2.villagevoice.com/imager/u/original/6507085/pollomole.jpg

So this makes it better than French and Italian?

[n00bie]

While perhaps not the most authentic French food, I've ate in two top rated French food restaurants in Old Town Quebec, 2 in Montreal and Ottawa. And while I could appreciate their technical aspects, they never left me craving for more.

I am on my way home from a 2 week Italian trip in which I've visited Rome, Naples, Positano, Amalfi, and currently Florence. I've gone to fancy top rated ristaurantes and small local favs, and only a pizzeria in the shithole Naples did the food leave me craving more.

In order my fav cuisines:

Mexican
American
Thai
Somali
Indian

WTF is American cuisine? Burger & Steaks?:biggums:

[sd3035]

I've eaten the best in Italy, Japan, Spain, Argentina, Korea, and Mexico

[sd3035]

Worst food is Greek, Indian, Chinese, and basically anything from the middle east

[andgar923]

WTF is American cuisine? Burger & Steaks?:biggums:
Why are people unaware that the States has it's own cuisine?

It's a mixture of basically every cuisine there is, with their own twist and originals thrown in.

ALL the cuisines are inspired by each other, but with their own twist added. French cuisine is inspired by Italian and other Mediterranean cuisines for example. So Americans having their own cuisine is no different, they take from this culture and that and make it their own.

And YES while they may not necessarily be 'high end' burgers, hot dogs, etc are part of one's cuisine in the same way that pizza, lasagna, tacos, and other comfort/street food are.

All of those plates can be simple street food fare, or elevated to high end levels.

Dishes can be simple to make or time consuming and challenging. It doesn't matter what they are they are still part of that culture/country's cuisine. And the price on the dish does not make it better than the other.

In my trip I ate Pizza that was over $30 in a nice fine dining restaurant, but guess which one was the best and award winning pizza? An award winning pizzeria at an amazing $7 bucks in the shithole that is Naples. There was lines outside waiting for an hour to get in. Perhaps the best pizza I've EVER had in my life.

So price does NOT make one better than another nor exclude it from being part of a cuisine.

[Charlie Sheen]

So this makes it better than French and Italian?

No. Not to me at least. When I said before that Mexican food was more sophisticated than street food, I wasn't talking about fine dining. A big big part of Mexican food are the sauces. From moles which are a broad variety of sauces, the most familiar to me is a brown mole with a peanut, chocolate and poblano base of flavors. The peanut and chocolate might make you think of dessert and sweet, but it's not that at all once finished with other spices and ingredients. Salsas are another big thing. It can begin with avocados or roasted chiles, or roasted tomatillos or be as simple as pico de gallo...this isn't the end of it, i'm just listing a few examples. A salsa can be just about anything, a your imagiantion can dream of. It's most commonly used to add some heat and spicy, doesn't always have to be that though.

The sauces, and I'm including the broad range of salsas, are the identity behind mexican food to me. I'm not a foodie. These are my experiences and what I know from living in and traveling to Mexico. I don't eat at world class restaurants apart from a couple times in Las Vegas, and I'm not even for sure if those count.

[fiddy]

Worst food is Greek, Indian, Chinese, and basically anything from the middle east
:wtf:

[~primetime~]

American Food is BBQ which is absolutely delicious, as are steaks.

Creole is also American, and delicious.

[Charlie Sheen]

American Food is BBQ which is absolutely delicious, as are steaks.

Creole is also American, and delicious.

Yep. Just a couple of examples, but I do think of red meat first when I think of American food.

[~primetime~]

I've been to both Italy and France

Italy is covered in pizzerias and their"authentic" pizza is much different than what you find in the states, TBH pizza in NY blows it out of the water. The American style pizzas are just better.

What Italy does best, in Italy, are pasta and fish dishes. Sea food. Italy is basically a giant coast, they do fish and sea food very well. Pasta is also amazing there and IMO it has to do with the way they use olive oil, they use lots of it.


French food is more difficult to break down because it's an array of many things. I might actually lean toward French being overrated. It can only be overrated since it is viewed as #1 overall.

[~primetime~]

Yep. Just a couple of examples, but I do think of red meat first when I think of American food.
Creole food is some of my favorite food too. Spicy sea food and sausage....droooool

Creole is probably underrated, I'm a huge fan of hot sauce...

[andgar923]

No. Not to me at least. When I said before that Mexican food was more sophisticated than street food, I wasn't talking about fine dining. A big big part of Mexican food are the sauces. From moles which are a broad variety of sauces, the most familiar to me is a brown mole with a peanut, chocolate and poblano base of flavors. The peanut and chocolate might make you think of dessert and sweet, but it's not that at all once finished with other spices and ingredients. Salsas are another big thing. It can begin with avocados or roasted chiles, or roasted tomatillos or be as simple as pico de gallo...this isn't the end of it, i'm just listing a few examples. A salsa can be just about anything, a your imagiantion can dream of. It's most commonly used to add some heat and spicy, doesn't always have to be that though.

The sauces, and I'm including the broad range of salsas, are the identity behind mexican food to me. I'm not a foodie. These are my experiences and what I know from living in and traveling to Mexico. I don't eat at world class restaurants apart from a couple times in Las Vegas, and I'm not even for sure if those count.

Mole is just one complex dish.

There are other creams and soups that are just as complex and take time to create. There is an art to making the proper seasoning and cooking of a taco as well. My uncle owns a catering service, and the amount of prep and time it takes him to prepare his meats and hot sauces is long. The amount of spices and seasoning is more than what most people think. Sure the actual construction of the dish is simple, but the prep to get it all together is more complex and time consuming than most realize.

Of course some can simply just make a shitty taco, but the same can be said with other dishes as well.

[sd3035]

I've been to both Italy and France

Italy is covered in pizzerias and their"authentic" pizza is much different than what you find in the states, TBH pizza in NY blows it out of the water. The American style pizzas are just better.

What Italy does best, in Italy, are pasta and fish dishes. Sea food. Italy is basically a giant coast, they do fish and sea food very well. Pasta is also amazing there and IMO it has to do with the way they use olive oil, they use lots of it.


French food is more difficult to break down because it's an array of many things. I might actually lean toward French being overrated. It can only be overrated since it is viewed as #1 overall.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[gigantes]

what an amazing collection of wankers who don't know shit about other cultures' food and fine dining this clusterf-ck of a thread has turned out to be.
and really, i wish i could say this was exclusively an AMERICAN form of ignorance and dumbassery, because i've lived here most of my life and i've seen a lot of stuff first-hand, and yet clearly that's not a particular limitation in this case now, IS IT?

no... this is moving from the rarified region of ISHiots, to cave-dwellers, right unto TROGLODYTES. i mean, for god's sake, motherf-ckers, get your shit together if you want to trash-talk other cultures' food without knowing the smallest detail upon it.

or maybe just stay in your little sand box, dodging the kitty poop. either way is good, right? :3

[highwhey]

So this makes it better than French and Italian?
I like how you keep changing your standards because you've been cornered and proven wrong, imbecile. Walk away.

[~primetime~]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Go to Italy, eat the pizza, then go to NY or Chi, eat the pizza.

Authentic Italian pizza is extremely basic stuff, dough with sauce tossed on it, and that is what it tastes like. American style pizzas are much more in depth, they're just better.

Again, its the authentic sea food dishes that Italy does better, because so much of Italy is a coast.

[fiddy]

Go to Italy, eat the pizza, then go to NY or Chi, eat the pizza.

Authentic Italian pizza is extremely basic stuff, dough with sauce tossed on it, and that is what it tastes like. American style pizzas are much more in depth, they're just better.

Again, its the authentic sea food dishes that Italy does better, because so much of Italy is a coast.
No, buddy, your taste is BASIC.

[plowking]

I like how you keep changing your standards because you've been cornered and proven wrong, imbecile. Walk away.

How sensitive are you? Honestly? You're getting upset over an argument about food. :oldlol:

What standards? What have I changed? Someone listed the top cuisines and mentioned Mexican and American as one of the top. It isn't the case. It never has been. And more than likely never will be.

There are amazing top class restaurants from every nation... Doesn't mean they are top of the list.

Go ahead and explain how I changed my standards or argument and I might take you seriously. Then go ahead and explain why you're angry over a food debate. :oldlol:

[andgar923]

Go to Italy, eat the pizza, then go to NY or Chi, eat the pizza.

Authentic Italian pizza is extremely basic stuff, dough with sauce tossed on it, and that is what it tastes like. American style pizzas are much more in depth, they're just better.

Again, its the authentic sea food dishes that Italy does better, because so much of Italy is a coast.
*raises hand*

I just came back from Italy and even tho it is subjective I prefer American style pizza.

I only preferred one that I had, it was the best pizza I EVER had. Ironically it was as basic as it gets. I tend to prefer thick pizzas with a number of toppings but this was plain, only cheese and sauce.... but it
was the best I ever had. Mmmm i'm salivating right now. Love it so much we're going back to the shithole that is Naples just to have it again.

But overall I prefer American style, sorry it's just what it is.

[highwhey]

How sensitive are you? Honestly? You're getting upset over an argument about food. :oldlol:

What standards? What have I changed? Someone listed the top cuisines and mentioned Mexican and American as one of the top. It isn't the case. It never has been. And more than likely never will be.

There are amazing top class restaurants from every nation... Doesn't mean they are top of the list.

Go ahead and explain how I changed my standards or argument and I might take you seriously. Then go ahead and explain why you're angry over a food debate. :oldlol:
:wtf:

You and poido are some of the dumbest people I've encountered on the internet. It's not even funny.

[~primetime~]

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/pizza_small_zpsaorzikzj.jpg (http://s599.photobucket.com/user/_primetime_pics/media/pizza_small_zpsaorzikzj.jpg.html)

^^^ this is a pic of one of the MANY pizzas I had while in Italy

This is what it looks like all over Itay...there aren't many toppings to choose from like the US, it isn't that involved or complex, it is very very basic stuff.

If I am being honest with myself, there were pizzerias in NY I went to that absolutely blew this stuff away, so much so that I don't even view it as opinion, it's just a fact. NY style pizza is just delicious stuff.

[fiddy]

[IMG]

^^^ this is a pic of one of the MANY pizzas I had while in Italy

This is what it looks like all over Itay...there aren't many toppings to choose from like the US, it isn't that involved or complex, it is very very basic stuff.

If I am being honest with myself, there were pizzerias in NY I went to that absolutely blew this stuff away, so much so that I don't even view it as opinion, it's just a fact. NY style pizza is just delicious stuff.
Let me guess, you are that type of dude, who puts ketchup or other sauces on top of his pizza?

[~primetime~]

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/pasta_small_zpsihlmpkdc.jpg (http://s599.photobucket.com/user/_primetime_pics/media/pasta_small_zpsihlmpkdc.jpg.html)

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/seafood_small_zpsfhfvhr8c.jpg (http://s599.photobucket.com/user/_primetime_pics/media/seafood_small_zpsfhfvhr8c.jpg.html)


^^^ some of the sea food I had in Italy

That is the stuff I feel like I could only get in Italy...that pasta might not look like much but it was amazing. Seafood as fresh as you can get it, everything drenched in olive oil.

Fish in Italy is good too...again, lots of coast in Italy.


That and ice cream...the gelato in Italy is amazing, think I ate that every single day I was there.

[fiddy]

btw here's John Pinette's take (RIP) on the topic :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GphMo8TSRTU

[andgar923]

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/pasta_small_zpsihlmpkdc.jpg (http://s599.photobucket.com/user/_primetime_pics/media/pasta_small_zpsihlmpkdc.jpg.html)

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/seafood_small_zpsfhfvhr8c.jpg (http://s599.photobucket.com/user/_primetime_pics/media/seafood_small_zpsfhfvhr8c.jpg.html)


^^^ some of the sea food I had in Italy

That is the stuff I feel like I could only get in Italy...that pasta might not look like much but it was amazing. Seafood as fresh as you can get it, everything drenched in olive oil.

Fish in Italy is good too...again, lots of coast in Italy.


That and ice cream...the gelato in Italy is amazing, think I ate that every single day I was there.
I must've spent $80 worth of gelato in Amalfi alone, very delicious. But I used to have the same if not better at half the cost in Mexico.

My wife has yet to find something as good as what she had in Mexico earlier this year, and we've tried all over Italy and Canada. Went to world wide award winning gelato spot in Canada, yet nothing compared to a small corner pharmacy in Mexico.

[Hawker]

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/pasta_small_zpsihlmpkdc.jpg (http://s599.photobucket.com/user/_primetime_pics/media/pasta_small_zpsihlmpkdc.jpg.html)

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/seafood_small_zpsfhfvhr8c.jpg (http://s599.photobucket.com/user/_primetime_pics/media/seafood_small_zpsfhfvhr8c.jpg.html)


^^^ some of the sea food I had in Italy

That is the stuff I feel like I could only get in Italy...that pasta might not look like much but it was amazing. Seafood as fresh as you can get it, everything drenched in olive oil.

Fish in Italy is good too...again, lots of coast in Italy.


That and ice cream...the gelato in Italy is amazing, think I ate that every single day I was there.

Is that your wife?

[plowking]

:wtf:

You and poido are some of the dumbest people I've encountered on the internet. It's not even funny.

In all the other threads, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and told people to ease off on picking on you, but here you are, upset over a food argument, and literally delving off topic just to throw petty insults at me.

Whatever dude. Enjoy. You can't even debate properly and you call someone else stupid.

[~primetime~]

I must've spent $80 worth of gelato in Amalfi alone, very delicious. But I used to have the same if not better at half the cost in Mexico.

My wife has yet to find something as good as what she had in Mexico earlier this year, and we've tried all over Italy and Canada. Went to world wide award winning gelato spot in Canada, yet nothing compared to a small corner pharmacy in Mexico.
Those pasta dishes are on the Amalfi Coast.

Beautiful place, amazing.

[~primetime~]

Is that your wife?
Yeah, I maybe should have cropped her cleavage out oh well.

[andgar923]

Those pasta dishes are on the Amalfi Coast.

Beautiful place, amazing.

My wife and I just landed 2 days ago and already started home shopping in Amalfi!

Can't wait to go back.

[~primetime~]

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/room_small_zpsyynkpr2m.jpg (http://s599.photobucket.com/user/_primetime_pics/media/room_small_zpsyynkpr2m.jpg.html)


^^^ My hotel suite on the Amalfi Coast...view was insane, really this pic doesn't even capture how amazing the scene was.

[fiddy]

That your girl?

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/wifey_1_zpsi8dbtpyc.jpg

[Hawker]

Yeah, I maybe should have cropped her cleavage out oh well.

All good.

Those dishes are exactly the type of stuff I had when I was in Italy as well.

I thought the pizza was bomb though.

[Hawker]

Uh oh. Not again.

[~primetime~]

yes fiddy, that is her...that's been posted in here already

[~primetime~]

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/Paris_Food_Comp_small_zpslkgde0o4.jpg (http://s599.photobucket.com/user/_primetime_pics/media/Paris_Food_Comp_small_zpslkgde0o4.jpg.html)


^^^ that is a comp of many of the dishes I had while in France. I was going to do the same thing with Italy but haven't gotten around to it yet.

All of the dishes there were very well put together and well thought out, but I will say I never really had a moment where I went "you can't get this in the US!". Maybe the snail, that's about it. It's very good food though.

[~primetime~]

All good.

Those dishes are exactly the type of stuff I had when I was in Italy as well.

I thought the pizza was bomb though.
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/pizza_small_2_zpshxrce9a8.jpg (http://s599.photobucket.com/user/_primetime_pics/media/pizza_small_2_zpshxrce9a8.jpg.html)

here is another pizza I had in Italy

this is what pizza is there...basic dough, some sauce and cheese splashed on.

It's 'good', but it is what it is...

I don't think we need to pretend it is superior to American pizza just because they did it first. It isn't impossible that it was improved upon elsewhere.

Pizza in NY or Chicago is much more in depth, more ingredients, just more going on...it's just better.

[highwhey]

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/room_small_zpsyynkpr2m.jpg (http://s599.photobucket.com/user/_primetime_pics/media/room_small_zpsyynkpr2m.jpg.html)


^^^ My hotel suite on the Amalfi Coast...view was insane, really this pic doesn't even capture how amazing the scene was.
cot damn that view

[~primetime~]

Yeah that was easily the best view I've ever had in a hotel room, and I've had some other rooms with great views. It was just amazing to wake up to that...but I'm telling you, the pic does it no justice.

[highwhey]

In all the other threads, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and told people to ease off on picking on you, but here you are, upset over a food argument, and literally delving off topic just to throw petty insults at me.

Whatever dude. Enjoy. You can't even debate properly and you call someone else stupid.
dude, you said mexican food isn't world class. sure, it's not better than french or italian, but the fact that mexican dishes earned a michelin star reflects what type of cuisine mexican is. you also said mexican food is mostly street food that is greasy, which is false. tacos and burritos are what most people think of, but i'm telling you, mexican dishes are very full of flavor and can be pretty complex. my dad was a chef, and i'm telling you, mexican cuisine is on another level. i don't blame you for not believing because most restaraunts here in the southwest(which is home to a lot of mexican and american-mexican cooking) don't get the dishes right.

something as simple as beans, even some mexican's can't do it the best way possible. my dad adds spices and cheese, makes these beans taste incredible. never had anything like this anywhere. every other bean dish taste bland compared to the way my dad cooks them. i've had people over and taste his food and they rave about it, asking for the recipe and how he prepares the dishes.

maybe later i'll post some pics of certain dishes, right now am working and hungover asf so excuse my irritability.

[highwhey]

Yeah that was easily the best view I've ever had in a hotel room, and I've had some other rooms with great views. It was just amazing to wake up to that...but I'm telling you, the pic does it no justice.
if you don't mind me asking, how much would that room run for a couple days? i'm planning to visit europe and italy is must for me.

[rufuspaul]

I was in Bologna in July. Great foodie town. The thing that makes Italian food so good, imo, is the simplicity of using the freshest, highest quality ingredients.


http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/rufuspaul/IMG_4051_zps66dskqix.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/rufuspaul/IMG_4053_zpsi37zfydr.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/rufuspaul/IMG_4054_zps5hbtwvlm.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/rufuspaul/IMG_4057_zpsyqmqn4xq.jpg

[~primetime~]

if you don't mind me asking, how much would that room run for a couple days? i'm planning to visit europe and italy is must for me.
roughly $1k a night...it's very expensive because of the view.

you could do much cheaper w/o the view

[highwhey]

roughly $1k a night...it's very expensive because of the view.

you could do much cheaper w/o the view
totally worth it

[~primetime~]

Damn I had some fish there w/head attached, must not have taken a pic of it.

They leave the head on all fish dishes in Italy, the reasoning behind it is that you are able to see that the fish is fresh by how transparent it's eyes are.

[eriX]

It is easy to rate cuisines with heavy flavours as better than other because it's easy to overwhelm our taste buds. Just like how things will taste 'better' with a little bit of MSG. But the truth is that every cuisine has its pros and cons, it just comes down to the personal preferences and how much you are willing to spend.

I consider myself a foodie and have been to the states twice and had some very memorable Mexican stuff for cheap but at the same time I just been to the best restaurant in Sydney that cost me $600 for 2 a few days ago that was French/Asian fusion for some of the best exploration of flavours I've ever had. But when it comes down to it I wouldn't either of those cuisine depending on the mood.

[rufuspaul]

Damn I had some fish there w/head attached, must not have taken a pic of it.

They leave the head on all fish dishes in Italy, the reasoning behind it is that you are able to see that the fish is fresh by how transparent it's eyes are.


You also get a fuller flavor if you cook fish with the bones and cartilage from the head intact. Similar to what you get with a bone-in ribeye.

[~primetime~]

You also get a fuller flavor if you cook fish with the bones and cartilage from the head intact. Similar to what you get with a bone-in ribeye.
That makes sense


For Italy I would say that just the pizza is overrated, but that the fish/sea food is very underrated, to Americans anyway. I think most Americans just think of tomatoes, pasta, pizza, when it comes to Italian food, but the country is surrounded by ocean and has amazing sea food because of it.

[Jailblazers7]

You also get a fuller flavor if you cook fish with the bones and cartilage from the head intact. Similar to what you get with a bone-in ribeye.

Yeah, I had a Portugese recently with the full fish. Best fish I've ever had.

French can be a little decadent for me but it's flat out amazing when done well. Idk what OP is talking about.

[rufuspaul]

That makes sense


For Italy I would say that just the pizza is overrated, but that the fish/sea food is very underrated, to Americans anyway. I think most Americans just think of tomatoes, pasta, pizza, when it comes to Italian food, but the country is surrounded by ocean and has amazing sea food because of it.


Agreed. I had some great seafood in Venice and Burano. I really liked the simple peasant food in Tuscany too. The whole "farm to fork" thing that's getting popular here has been going on in Italy for over 1000 years.

[LJJ]

But did you eat the fish head? That's how you separate the men from the boys.