Rank in order on who had better first two seasons.

[Real14]

From 04-05, Lebron, Melo, and Wade.

Here's mines in order..

1. Melo
2. Wade
3. Lebron

What's your order ISH?

[Smoke117]

lol desperate

And Carmelo above Wade? Flash was significantly better than Melo in their 2nd seasons.

[aj1987]

From 04-05, Lebron, Melo, and Wade.

Here's mines in order..

1. Melo
2. Wade
3. Lebron

What's your order ISH?
:roll: :roll:

FOH, moron.

Wade - 21/5/6/2/1 on 55% TS
LeBron - 24/6/7/2/1 on 52% TS
Melo - 21/6/3/1/1 on 52% TS

Wade - 1x All-Star, All-NBA 2nd Team, and All-Def 2nd. Hit two gamewinners in his rookie season and carrier the Heat to 7 games against the defending champs. If he wasn't injured, Miami could've won a title. 23/5/6/1/1 on 55% TS. Averaged 27/6/7/2/1 on 56% TS in the '05 PO's. 21/4/6/1/1 on 56% TS in his rookie season against the 61 win Pacers.

LeBron - 1x All-Star and All-NBA 2nd Team. Missed the PO's.

Melo - 17/7/2/1 on 46% TS and got embarrassed in the PO's. Played like complete horse shit.

1. Wade


2. LeBron




















3. Melo

[Mr Feeny]

This can't possible be serious. It's lebron, Wade, then Carmelo.

[aj1987]

This can't possible be serious. It's lebron, Wade, then Carmelo.
:oldlol:

LeBron wasn't even close to being better than Wade in their first two seasons. Wade was more efficient and a better scorer. Not to mention clutch AF and a significantly better defender.

[Mr Feeny]

:oldlol:

LeBron wasn't even close to being better than Wade in their first two seasons. Wade was more efficient and a better scorer. Not to mention clutch AF and a significantly better defender.

How can you possibly say that with a straight face?

Wade was great in 2005 and was close to Lebron - maybe even his equal. Lebron was better in 2004 and over the two year stretch, very few people are going to agree with you that Wade was better. Moreover, nobody is going to find it laughable that Lebron was better than Wade in 2004 and 2005 which you think it is.

[Smoke117]

How can you possibly say that with a straight face?

Wade was great in 2005 and was close to Lebron - maybe even his equal. Lebron was better in 2004 and over the two year stretch, very few people are going to agree with you that Wade was better. Moreover, nobody is going to find it laughable that Lebron was better than Wade in 2004 and 2005 which you think it is.

No other moronic Lebron stans would agree you mean...any objective person can easily see Wade was better than Lebron in their first two seasons. It's not enough Lebron is better all time and a top 10 player...you have to manufacture nonsense like this too? Bitch.

[Mr Feeny]

No other moronic Lebron stans would agree you mean...any objective person can easily see Wade was better than Lebron in their first two seasons. It's not enough Lebron is better all time and a top 10 player...you have to manufacture nonsense like this too? Bitch.

You cant possibly believe that.
Lebron was rookie of the year and only the 3rd man in history to average 20,5,5 in his rookie year (Jordan and Oscar ). He was inefficient because he was on a crap team and faced double teams. As an unpolished product, he didn't start of well.
In his second year, he averaged 25 ppg, 7 rpg and 7 apg on 47%fg.

If you think Wade was better during both years that's fine. It's certainly not the consensus. And I wouldn't advise you to go around calling everyone who disagrees with you a moronic lebron stan.

[aj1987]

How can you possibly say that with a straight face?

Wade was great in 2005 and was close to Lebron - maybe even his equal. Lebron was better in 2004 and over the two year stretch, very few people are going to agree with you that Wade was better. Moreover, nobody is going to find it laughable that Lebron was better than Wade in 2004 and 2005 which you think it is.
Lets ignore the fact that Wade actually made the PO's in his first two seasons and had series of 26/6/9/2/1 on 58%, 31/7/8/1/2 on 60%, and 26/5/4/2/1 on 52%. Wade was a straight up better scorer than LeBron in his first two seasons. A better midrange and post player. Dude had his scoring arsenal from his rookie season, while LeBron didn't even develop a proper post game until '12. Wade was also an equal passer. Defense? Wade by a mile. Dude was one of the best defenders in the league and made the All-Def 2nd team, while LeBron wasn't an elite defender until his 4th season.


He was inefficient because he was on a crap team and faced double teams. As an unpolished product, he didn't start of well.
This pretty much confirms that you didn't watch '04 and '05 LeBron.

[Mr Feeny]

Lets ignore the fact that Wade actually made the PO's in his first two seasons and had series of 26/6/9/2/1 on 58%, 31/7/8/1/2 on 60%, and 26/5/4/2/1 on 52%. Wade was a straight up better scorer than LeBron in his first two seasons. A better midrange and post player. Dude had his scoring arsenal from his rookie season, while LeBron didn't even develop a proper post game until '12. Wade was also an equal passer. Defense? Wade by a mile. Dude was one of the best defenders in the league and made the All-Def 2nd team, while LeBron wasn't an elite defender until his 4th season.

Wade made the playoffs because he had better teams. I remember him hitting the game winner (a floater against the hornets) but he wasn't the standout star if that team. Odom was there along with several other big time players.

Then Shaq came along. And while 2006 Shaq was a shell of his former self, he was still dominant in 2005 and had a huge case for mvp. Wade played well against the Wizards and great against Detroit. But it's not fair to make an anaolgy given the discrepancy in talent in both teams.

Lebron had a Paul Silas and then a Mike brown team. Playing with donyel Marshall is drastically different from playing with Shaq.

As far as defense goes,that's also unfair. Perimeter olayers are more wary of driving when there's a Shaq behind you guarding the big post. Lebron had Z behind him. Or drew gooden.

[Mr Feeny]

This pretty much confirms that you didn't watch '04 and '05 LeBron.

Alright eff off. If you're here to discuss basketball properly, that's fine. It's been 13 years but I was watching lebron since the McDonald's game in 2003. If you weren't that's fine.
Don't melt down and snarkly insinuate that someone didn't watch a player because he disagrees with you about something.

I've been respectful with you throughout this. Maintain decorum.

[Papaya Petee]

... :roll: :roll: :roll:

1.) Wade

2.) LeBron





3.) Melo

Wade in his first season led his team to the playoffs, hit a game winner in the first round and led his team to the 2nd round where they won 2 games against the number one seed. LeBron missed the playoffs and Carmelo got murked in the first round

Wade in his second season averaged 24\7\6\2\1 in the regular season and followed that up by a 27\7\6\2\1 post season where without Shaq he swept the Wizards in the second round averaging 31\8\7 and would have been in the finals if not for a freak injury up 3-2 on the Pistons.

LeBron James won ROY his first season (missed the playoffs) and averaged 27\7\7 in his second season as a 19 year old. while Carmelo Anthony once again got murked in the first round and pretty much averaged the same numbers as his rookie year.

This isn't even close really. Carmelo has no argument.

[Sarcastic]

Rookie year:
1 Melo
2 Lebron
3 Wade

2nd year:
1 Lebron
2 Wade
3 Melo

Averages:
Lebron 1.5
Melo 2
Wade 2.5

[Papaya Petee]

Rookie year:
1 Melo
2 Lebron
3 Wade

2nd year:
1 Lebron
2 Wade
3 Melo

Averages:
Lebron 1.5
Melo 2
Wade 2.5
So Wade in his second season led a team to a 59-23 record, and was up 3-2 in the ECF vs the defending champs until his injury, wasn't better than LeBron who missed the playoffs?

FFS people Wade his 2nd year was averaging 27\7\6\2\1 in the playoffs while LeBron was on his couch watching.

[Sarcastic]

So Wade in his second season led a team to a 59-23 record, and was up 3-2 in the ECF vs the defending champs until his injury, wasn't better than LeBron who missed the playoffs?

FFS people Wade his 2nd year was averaging 27\7\6\2\1 in the playoffs while LeBron was on his couch watching.

Lebron put up 27/7/7 for the season. He was easily the best. Wade played with prime Shaq that year, who should've been MVP.

[aj1987]

Wade made the playoffs because he had better teams. I remember him hitting the game winner (a floater against the hornets) but he wasn't the standout star if that team. Odom was there along with several other big time players.
Again, pretty much confirms that you weren't following the NBA back then. People were calling Wade a superstar and he was quite clearly the best player on the Heat. Dude put up 21/4/6/1/1 on 57% and was the best player on the court in the ECSF against a 61 win Pacers team. That team, if you didn't know, had the DPOY (Artest) and a legit rim protecter in O'Neal.


Then Shaq came along. And while 2006 Shaq was a shell of his former self, he was still dominant in 2005 and had a huge case for mvp. Wade played well against the Wizards and great against Detroit. But it's not fair to make an anaolgy given the discrepancy in talent in both teams.
No shit. Shaq was amazing, but the only game Wade missed due to his rib injury, Miami lost in embarrassing fashion, scoring only 66 and losing by 25. Miami was up 3-2 and they could've closed it out making the Finals and quite possibly winning a title. Dude was putting up 30/6/5/1/2 before he went down.


As far as defense goes,that's also unfair. Perimeter olayers are more wary of driving when there's a Shaq behind you guarding the big post. Lebron had Z behind him. Or drew gooden.
:wtf: :wtf:

Are you actually being serious? Please tell me who the elite rim protecters in '09 and '10 were.


Alright eff off. If you're here to discuss basketball properly, that's fine. It's been 13 years but I was watching lebron since the McDonald's game in 2003. If you weren't that's fine.
Don't melt down and snarkly insinuate that someone didn't watch a player because he disagrees with you about something.

I've been respectful with you throughout this. Maintain decorum.
You're one of the worst trolls on this board. GTFOH with your BS. If you actually did watch LeBron back then, then it's obvious that you're just talking out of your ass about LeBron getting doubled. Prime and peak LeBron didn't get consistently doubled. :oldlol:

[Real14]

Just to let everyone know that I was also a Wade fan back in his first two years. I would put him number 1 but he had Prime Shaq on his team in 05. Melo didn't had any support like Wade, plus played in wild wild west, that's why I put him at the top spot. LeBron failed to make playoffs both seasons in the crappy east, that's why he is last place LeBronze.

[FKAri]

Just to let everyone know that I was also a Wade fan back in his first two years. I would put him number 1 but he had Prime Shaq on his team in 05. Melo didn't had any support like Wade, plus played in wild wild west, that's why I put him at the top spot. LeBron failed to make playoffs both seasons in the crappy east, that's why he is last place LeBronze.
lol @ Real pandering. Nigguh ain't nobody in this thread talking about Melo. Everyone just started discussing Wade vs Lebron :lol

[GrapeApe]

Lebron put up 27/7/7 for the season. He was easily the best. Wade played with prime Shaq that year, who should've been MVP.

If you think 2005 Shaq was in his prime, you never saw prime Shaq.

2005 Wade had the best overall season of the three. The numbers you cited for Lebron in the regular season, Wade put up in the PLAYOFFS. He was a top 3 player in the 2005 playoffs and he was 2-0 without Shaq. If not for his rib injury in the ECF, he would have taken his team to the finals in just his second season. Wade clearly overtook Shaq in the playoffs as the Heat's best and most important player. Shaq had 2 opportunities to step up when Wade was injured and couldn't get it done.

Lebron has little argument above Wade in 2005, and it goes without saying that Wade was better in 2006.

[RRR3]

The Cavs had a winning record in 2005 FWIW.

[Papaya Petee]

The Cavs had a winning record in 2005 FWIW.
Sure, but the difference between 42-40 and 59-23 is huge.
Just like many people thought Wade> LeBron in 2009. But once you include team records and playoff success, everyone knows LeBron had a better season. Same thing in 2005. Numbers wise one could say LeBron> Wade during the regular season, but once you look at Wades great playoff run and team success nobody can possibly believe LeBron had a better year.

[Bankaii]

I think Wade was the best in their rookie season but those using the playoffs as a reason is disingenuous.

In one of those series Wade wasn't even the best player, and even so had Odom and Eddie Jones carrying the load with him. Then he had slightly prime Shaq co-leading with him.

Who was suppose to co-lead young Bron: Big Z or 22 year old Boozer?:oldlol:

[Smoke117]

LMFAO...did real14 sarcastic just call a 32 year old Shaq on Miami in 05 still a prime Shaq? Do you guys actually even watch basketball? Are you being facetious?...because you have to be to say some stupid ass shit like this.

[tpols]

No other moronic Lebron stans would agree you mean...any objective person can easily see Wade was better than Lebron in their first two seasons. It's not enough Lebron is better all time and a top 10 player...you have to manufacture nonsense like this too? Bitch.

:roll:

[Dragonyeuw]

Wade and Bron were basically equals their first 3 years, or slight edge to Wade given their playoff performance, and were pretty much on par through 2011 minus Wade's injury years. Lebron's overall versatility and physical prowess won out in the end, but it feels so long since Wade has been truly 'elite', that we're forgetting this guy in 2007( pre shoulder injury) was putting up like 29,8,6 on 58% TS. That's close to the kind of numbers( rebounding aside, and Wade is 4 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter) that 2009 era Bron was putting up and everyone creaming their pants over.

[Human Error]

Season 1 and 2
1. Lebron
2. Wade
3. Carmelo

Season 3 ~ now
1. Lebron
2. Wade
3. Bosh

[raprap]

LeBron didn't make the playoffs in his first two years so this isn't a very good comparison between the 3.

Anyways ill go

Wade
Melo
LeBron

Base on their team success

And

Wade
LeBron
Melo

Base on their individual production.

[NBAGOAT]

Sure, but the difference between 42-40 and 59-23 is huge.
Just like many people thought Wade> LeBron in 2009. But once you include team records and playoff success, everyone knows LeBron had a better season. Same thing in 2005. Numbers wise one could say LeBron> Wade during the regular season, but once you look at Wades great playoff run and team success nobody can possibly believe LeBron had a better year.

no the difference is Lebron had better numbers in 09 too. wade won one big metric which was ppg and it was like 30ppg to 28.5ppg. it's pretty big consensus lebron had a better rs too in 09(look at mvp voting for example). the context is still way different. lebron's best teammate in 09 was a lower tier all star. shaq wasn't prime level but still easily top 5 and had a good argument for being more important than wade during the RS. i still pick wade for 05 but even with lebron missing the PS and wade playing great, it's close since bron had a better rs.

[Papaya Petee]

no the difference is Lebron had better numbers in 09 too. wade won one big metric which was ppg and it was like 30ppg to 28.5ppg. it's pretty big consensus lebron had a better rs too in 09(look at mvp voting for example). the context is still way different. lebron's best teammate in 09 was a lower tier all star. shaq wasn't prime level but still easily top 5 and had a good argument for being more important than wade during the RS. i still pick wade for 05 but even with lebron missing the PS and wade playing great, it's close since bron had a better rs.
Umm what?
Wade averaged more points, assists, steals, blocks, and shot a higher FG% than LeBron in 2008-2009

[NBAGOAT]

Umm what?
Wade averaged more points, assists, steals, blocks, and shot a higher FG% than LeBron in 2008-2009

well i didn't really care much about steals or blocks. srry about the assists but i don't count fg%, it's pretty useless at measuring efficiency for wings especially in today's game where almost every guy takes 3's(i'll only cite it since some people here hate ts% or even efg% for some reason). 59.1 to 57.4 for ts and 53.0 to 51.6 for efg. bron wins all the box score metrics pretty clearly and stuff like rapm too.

[AintNoSunshine]

OP you come across as EXTREMELY desperate. But even that, Melo is still last of the three.

[GrapeApe]

I think Wade was the best in their rookie season but those using the playoffs as a reason is disingenuous.

In one of those series Wade wasn't even the best player, and even so had Odom and Eddie Jones carrying the load with him. Then he had slightly prime Shaq co-leading with him.

Who was suppose to co-lead young Bron: Big Z or 22 year old Boozer?:oldlol:

In 2004, Wade wasn't necessarily better than Odom overall in the first round, but he was the closer. He had the ball in his hands in crunch time, and he delivered. It speaks volumes that a rookie was entrusted with that responsibility. It was against the Pacers that he brought his game to higher level, but it was clear against the Hornets that Wade was a big game performer.

I understand that Lebron didn't have a very good team in his first two seasons, but it is what it is. Look at this way. Wade making the playoffs in '04 and '05 could have just as easily tarnished his seasons as enhanced them. If he had played poorly, it would have been held against him. Everything is magnified in the playoffs, good or bad.

To me, Wade, Lebron, and Melo were very comparable overall in 2004. I do give Wade the slight edge, but it's extremely close. In 2005, Wade was CLEARLY the best of the three.

[Kool Boy]

1. LeBron
2. Wade

[Sarcastic]

LMFAO...did real14 sarcastic just call a 32 year old Shaq on Miami in 05 still a prime Shaq? Do you guys actually even watch basketball? Are you being facetious?...because you have to be to say some stupid ass shit like this.

He finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2005 you fcking moron, and actually should have won it.

[aj1987]

He finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2005 you fcking moron, and actually should have won it.
Doesn't mean he was still in his prime. Prime Shaq was putting up near 29/12. Heck, dude averaged 28/12 from his rookie season to '03.

Learn the difference between being elite and being in prime before you insult others.

[Papaya Petee]

He finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2005 you fcking moron, and actually should have won it.
Regular season
Shaq- 22\10\3\2
Wade- 24\7\5\2\1

Wade was an All-NBA defender, Shaq was not

Playoffs
Shaq- 19\8\2\2
Wade- 27\7\6\2\1

Wade played in more regular season games, and missed no playoff games, while Shaq missed 2.

:rolleyes: It was Shaq's team all right. He was the MVP.

[Sarcastic]

Doesn't mean he was still in his prime. Prime Shaq was putting up near 29/12. Heck, dude averaged 28/12 from his rookie season to '03.

Learn the difference between being elite and being in prime before you insult others.


He was still putting up 24/11 per 36, and had a 27 PER. You are confusing prime with peak. No he was not at his peak, but he was still at the tail end of his prime.

In 2006 his PER fell to 24.4, and 2007 it was 21.7, and then that was the end, and we won't discuss Phoenix, Cleveland, Boston.

[Sarcastic]

Regular season
Shaq- 22\10\3\2
Wade- 24\7\5\2\1

Wade was an All-NBA defender, Shaq was not

Playoffs
Shaq- 19\8\2\2
Wade- 27\7\6\2\1

Wade played in more regular season games, and missed no playoff games, while Shaq missed 2.

:rolleyes: It was Shaq's team all right. He was the MVP.


Tell me where I said it was Shaq's team.

I said Wade was playing with a still prime (although at the end of) Shaq, who was good enough to finish 2nd in MVP voting.

[Smoke117]

Shaq in 2005 at 32 is not in his prime, PERIOD. Quit it with this nonsense.

[ArbitraryWater]

Nobody in '04 or '05 was saying Wade is better than LeBron lol.. maybe after the '05 playoffs. Definitely not throughout the regular season lol.

[GrapeApe]

Nobody in '04 or '05 was saying Wade is better than LeBron lol.. maybe after the '05 playoffs. Definitely not throughout the regular season lol.

This is true, but that had more to do with the fact that Wade flew under the radar compared to Lebron and Melo. Lebron was the most hyped young player since Shaq, arguably the most hyped player ever. Melo was coming off an an NCAA title and was the MVP of the tournament. Wade didn't get anywhere near the media attention of Lebron and Melo, and that kind of thing can affect how players are perceived.

Even when Wade was playing at MVP level after the all-star break in 2005, it went largely unnoticed. It wasn't until his amazing playoff run that he finally started to garner some attention from the media and casual fans. He forced his way in to the point where the media had no choice but to talk about him. Wade essentially threw a wrench into the media's narrative, and it caught them off guard (pun intended, hehe).

When looking at things objectively, it's pretty clear that Wade had the best overall first 2 seasons of the 2003 draft class. He had the best combination of regular season stats, playoff stats, individual accolades, and team success. That's generally the criteria we use when comparing and ranking players.