who gets the last shot between kobe and lebron?

[toprange]

Here are both their playoff fg% by distance (measured by feet from the basket)


Lebron
FG% by distance
0-2 72%
3-9 38%
10-15 34%
16<3 36%
3P 32%


Kobe
FG% by distance
0-2 61%
3-9 47%
10-15 45%
16<3 40%
3P 33%


Lebron shoots less than 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. That is terrible. This is why lebron is not considered a REAL clutch player. He is limited to shots that are within 0-2 feet from the basket.

[Nilocon165]

Lebron is better than Kobe all time

4 MVPS 3FMVPS > 2 FMVPS 1 MVP

[ShawkFactory]

Trick question, they both shoot you.

[aj1987]

PO buzzer beater GW's:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

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[Mr Feeny]

Folks, can we sticky Aj's stats somewhere, to use in arguments.

These clutch shooting stats and the Wilt stats. Saves us time finding them.

Many thanks

[Jasper]

OP I take the guy with most MVP finals ... that means he is the better decision maker, on shots, passes, defense.

Tell me who has most FMVP's ?

[toprange]

PO buzzer beater GW's:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1


Can you provide the stats in FG% by distance. There is overwhelming evidence showing that lebron cannot shoot over 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. How big is a basketball court again? :roll:

[toprange]

OP I take the guy with most MVP finals ... that means he is the better decision maker, on shots, passes, defense.

Tell me who has most FMVP's ?
So basically you are going with Media Hype instead of the FACTS that I showed you. Dumb stan

[Mr Feeny]

Can you provide the stats in FG% by distance. There is overwhelming evidence showing that lebron cannot shoot over 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. How big is a basketball court again? :roll:
57% TS for lebron
54% TS for Kobe

3 playoff game winners for lebron at the buzzer
1 for Kobe
:applause:

[aj1987]

Can you provide the stats in FG% by distance. There is overwhelming evidence showing that lebron cannot shoot over 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. How big is a basketball court again? :roll:
Sure.






























PO buzzer beater GW's:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

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I want to see where you got your stats from, BTW.

[AirBonner]

57% TS for lebron
54% TS for Kobe

3 playoff game winners for lebron at the buzzer
1 for Kobe
:applause:
Damn kobetard's hating reality :lol

[plowking]

Can you provide the stats in FG% by distance. There is overwhelming evidence showing that lebron cannot shoot over 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. How big is a basketball court again? :roll:

How about you look at the clutch stats and game winners?

Maybe it suggest when it gets tough, Bron is the better shooter and doesn't let the pressure get to him like Kobe. That is some context for you.

[toprange]

Sure.

PO buzzer beater GW's:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

I want to see where you got your stats from, BTW.

Where are the distances? Stop wasting my time

[AirBonner]

Where are the distances? Stop wasting my time
You are wasting your own time. Lebron is MORE CLUTCH In the final shot. Fact . Therefore Lebron gets the final shot.

[plowking]

https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/597577262033014784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

6/10 go ahead shots for Bron in playoffs.

[SouBeachTalents]

You are wasting your own time. Lebron is MORE CLUTCH In the final shot. Fact . Therefore Lebron gets the final shot.

But Kobe has more rangz! And DISTANCE!

[Nilocon165]

But Kobe has more rangz! And DISTANCE!
But Kobe iz moar alpha!!

And only lozers respect Bran!!!!

[plowking]

lol Bron hit a 23 footer against Chicago, that massive 30 footer against Orlando, and the layup against Indiana.

[toprange]

But Kobe has more rangz! And DISTANCE!
lebron cannot shoot over 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. That is why players do not mention him as a clutch shooter. The Media should have just kept him out of this topic.

[plowking]

lebron cannot shoot over 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. That is why players do not mention him as a clutch shooter. The Media should have just kept him out of this topic.

So why is he 6/10 on go ahead shots? Jordan is 5/11 in the last 5 seconds.

Expand that to a 24 seconds. Bron is 8/19 for potential tying or go ahead shots. Bryant is 7/28.

Why does Bron keep coming up trumps in all these categories?

[AirBonner]

So why is he 6/10 on go ahead shots, Jordan is 5/11 in the last 5 seconds.

Expand that to a 24 seconds. Bron is 8/19 for potential tying or go ahead shots. Bryant is 7/28.

Why does Bron keep coming up trumps in all these categories?
It doesn't fit op's agenda therefore it doesn't count.

[Papaya Petee]

Where are the distances? Stop wasting my time
distances :roll: :roll:

who gives a **** what the distance of the shot is. Yes lets blame LeBron for creating 100x better shots that fit his abilities more than watching Kobe chuck 28 foot bricks.

You are a special kind of retarded.

[SwayDizzle]

Hahahah these L tards gonna try spin lebron as a clutch player now? Do NOT make me laugh plsssss.

Lebron is notorious for wetting the bed in late game situations. It's what he is known for. Why are L tards tryin to take this away from lebron when he worked so hard to build this reputation.

[Nilocon165]

Hahahah these L tards gonna try spin lebron as a clutch player now? Do NOT make me laugh plsssss.

Lebron is notorious for wetting the bed in late game situations. It's what he is known for. Why are L tards tryin to take this away from lebron when he worked so hard to build this reputation.
Kobe shot 6/24 in a NBA Finals Game 7.

Lebron also has more playoff buzzer beater game winners than Kobe.

Also more 40 point finals games.

And MVP's

And FMVP's

And Rings one as the man

And a bigger dick

And a cuter butt

[SouBeachTalents]

Hahahah these L tards gonna try spin lebron as a clutch player now? Do NOT make me laugh plsssss.

Lebron is notorious for wetting the bed in late game situations. It's what he is known for. Why are L tards tryin to take this away from lebron when he worked so hard to build this reputation.

Are people really trying to argue that a dude with 3 FMVP's and arguably the greatest elimination game performer of all time is unclutch :lol

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe shot 6/24 in a NBA Finals Game 7.

Lebron also has more playoff buzzer beater game winners than Kobe.

Also more 40 point finals games.

And MVP's

And FMVP's

And Rings one as the man

And a bigger dick

And a cuter butt
:lol you crack me up

[toprange]

distances :roll: :roll:

who gives a **** what the distance of the shot is. Yes lets blame LeBron for creating 100x better shots that fit his abilities more than watching Kobe chuck 28 foot bricks.

You are a special kind of retarded.
This discussion is about advanced stats. It shows that lebron cannot shoot over 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. He is far less skilled and efficient in scoring than kobe

[tpols]

anyone saying bran ....










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[raprap]

looks like another W for the LeBron fam. :oldlol:

[AirBonner]

This discussion is about advanced stats. It shows that lebron cannot shoot over 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. He is far less skilled and efficient in scoring than kobe
Agree. Lebron is far less efficient at scoring. That is why he puts up more points on better efficiency :rolleyes:

[SwayDizzle]

Are people really trying to argue that a dude with 3 FMVP's and arguably the greatest elimination game performer of all time is unclutch :lol
Dude is an alltime great. Hell of a player. But he is not clutch. He deferred the the final shot his entire career. Lack of confidence and mental fortitude. It has been his biggest weakness and he has many strengths, not taking anything away from the guy.

[toprange]

anyone saying bran ....










http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k84/sckimjjang/kobe-hilariously-confused-reaction-gif.gif (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/sckimjjang/media/kobe-hilariously-confused-reaction-gif.gif.html)
Right? The difference in efficiency outside of 2 feet from the basket is STAGGERING. All the players in the league have a great chance of getting a basket within 2 feet from the basket.

[tpols]

you guys all know that if kobe and bron were on the same team Kobe would be the one that would be getting the ball in late game halfcourt situations because we already saw it happen. Source 2008 Olympics.

you bran stans are pathetic that you cant admit that kobe has a better scoring skillset for clutch situations than hot potatoe James.

[plowking]

This discussion is about advanced stats. It shows that lebron cannot shoot over 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. He is far less skilled and efficient in scoring than kobe

So why does he trump him in late game situations then?

This dude literally runs away from the question. :oldlol:

EDIT: In fact, lock this one up mods. Question has been answered. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

So why does he trump him in late game situations then?

This dude literally runs away from the question. :oldlol:

EDIT: In fact, lock this one up mods. Question has been answered. :oldlol:

What about distance though?

[toprange]

So why does he trump him in late game situations then?

This dude literally runs away from the question. :oldlol:

EDIT: In fact, lock this one up mods. Question has been answered. :oldlol:
You can hide this thread but you can never hide the Advanced Stats. Lebron's FG% is less than 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. How big is the basketball court again? :lol

[AirBonner]

You can hide this thread but you can never hide the Advanced Stats. Lebron's FG% is less than 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. How big is the basketball court again? :lol
Why are you ignoring his question?

[LostCause]

Tough call to be honest

Kobe would definitely WANT the shot more, but that has a good and a bad side. Since he wants it more he's more likely to force up a bad shot, as in a double/triple-teamed fadeaway or something like that whereas Lebron would probably opt to pass in such a situation, which is the better choice. Kobe's disproportionately high number of attempts shows that he wants to take that shot pretty much by any means necessary

Honestly, you can go either way. I think Kobe's better if you can get him open or he's being guarded by one guy and needs to create away from the rim. Bron is better if he can get to the rim or if he needs to read the floor and make a decision if he draws a double/triple team etc

[Lebron23]

Lebron James

[aj1987]

Kobe stans... you press them with STATS and FACTS, they just brush them aside.

but but but Kobe made that one fadeaway clutch shot in like 2002 doe :roll:

These are irrefutable and undeniable FACTS:

PO buzzer beater GW's:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

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Inb4 a tpols meltdown.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe stans... you press them with STATS and FACTS, they just brush them aside.

but but but Kobe made that one fadeaway clutch shot in like 2002 doe :roll:

These are irrefutable and undeniable FACTS:

PO buzzer beater GW's:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

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Inb4 a tpols meltdown.

5 rangz
81 pointz
NINE All-Defensive Frst Teams
5/7

[Wally450]

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2011/12/26/sports/subYLAKERS/subYLAKERS-jumbo.jpg

Not this guy, that's for sure.

[BedroomBully]

Can you provide the stats in FG% by distance. There is overwhelming evidence showing that lebron cannot shoot over 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. How big is a basketball court again? :roll:
So now you are basing clutchness on distance and not effectiveness? Jesus these Kobe tards.

[Bankaii]

Kobetards are the only people dumb enough to fault someone for having the ability to get an easier shot.

Since when did GW have to be taken from outside the paint? Where is that rule?:roll:

[Smoke117]

OP getting raped in this thread.

[PeroAntic]

Kobe is better at clutch shooting.

Lebron is better at clutch layups

:D

[Prometheus]

If the question were "Who should get the last shot between Kobe and LeBron?" If they're both in their primes? LeBron should get the ball. He may end up shooting, or getting someone else a look, but you're more likely to win either way. Kobe is predictable in the clutch, because he's stubborn and arrogant. He will always shoot, so it was always easy to defend, and thus achieved poor results.

As the question is worded "Who gets the last shot ___?"... Kobe gets the shot. If they're both in or even close to their primes, Kobe would demand the ball and LeBron would gladly defer. If they were on the same team, it would be that way. Kobe has a far more aggressive, dominating personality than LeBron. Polar opposites, really - not even close. Game tied, prime Kobe and prime LeBron on the team with the ball, under a shot clock... LeBron will stand aside and let Kobe do his thing. Even if you don't want to admit it, you know I'm right.

[knicksman]

If the question were "Who should get the last shot between Kobe and LeBron?" If they're both in their primes? LeBron should get the ball. He may end up shooting, or getting someone else a look, but you're more likely to win either way. Kobe is predictable in the clutch, because he's stubborn and arrogant. He will always shoot, so it was always easy to defend, and thus achieved poor results.

As the question is worded "Who gets the last shot ___?"... Kobe gets the shot. If they're both in or even close to their primes, Kobe would demand the ball and LeBron would gladly defer. If they were on the same team, it would be that way. Kobe has a far more aggressive, dominating personality than LeBron. Polar opposites, really - not even close. Game tied, prime Kobe and prime LeBron on the team with the ball, under a shot clock... LeBron will stand aside and let Kobe do his thing. Even if you don't want to admit it, you know I'm right.

You know youre dumb if 5/7 is poor result but 3/7 is not. Lol

[knicksman]

Kobetards are the only people dumb enough to fault someone for having the ability to get an easier shot.

Since when did GW have to be taken from outside the paint? Where is that rule?:roll:


Lol. This clearly shows that these bran stans are just statnerds and havent played a game in their lives. Layups are easy but its also the easiest to defend.

[RRR3]

If the question were "Who should get the last shot between Kobe and LeBron?" If they're both in their primes? LeBron should get the ball. He may end up shooting, or getting someone else a look, but you're more likely to win either way. Kobe is predictable in the clutch, because he's stubborn and arrogant. He will always shoot, so it was always easy to defend, and thus achieved poor results.

As the question is worded "Who gets the last shot ___?"... Kobe gets the shot. If they're both in or even close to their primes, Kobe would demand the ball and LeBron would gladly defer. If they were on the same team, it would be that way. Kobe has a far more aggressive, dominating personality than LeBron. Polar opposites, really - not even close. Game tied, prime Kobe and prime LeBron on the team with the ball, under a shot clock... LeBron will stand aside and let Kobe do his thing. Even if you don't want to admit it, you know I'm right.
Good post.

[knicksman]

Good post.

Now i know why prometheus gets triggered by the word beta. Coz its the alt of one of the cowards of ish-rrr3.:lol

[Smoke117]

knicksman having his usual nightly meltdown

[chazzy]

What's funny about this big debate is that their career game winning percentages are actually equal.. 29% :oldlol:

You can adjust the goal posts for whichever argument you prefer:

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/704327702845612033

Late LeBron miss in Toronto left him 5-for-47 over last 10 seasons on game-tying or go-ahead FGs in last five seconds of fourth quarter & OT
"omg 5/47 lolol"

Playoff game winners are such a low volume that any given year can sway the numbers a ton.. before 2015, everyone was touting Lebron's 7/17 (which is still posted here by aj the spambot) but he went 1/6 in that playoff run and is now 8/23.. is he suddenly that much less clutch? Or do the career overall numbers with a much larger sample size paint a better picture?

[brownmamba00]

5/47 :lol

yeah no Kobe is taking that last shot and he's making it.

[aj1987]

What's funny about this big debate is that their career game winning percentages are actually equal.. 29% :oldlol:

You can adjust the goal posts for whichever argument you prefer:

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/704327702845612033

"omg 5/47 lolol"

Playoff game winners are such a low volume that any given year can sway the numbers a ton.. before 2015, everyone was touting Lebron's 7/17 (which is still posted here by aj the spambot) but he went 1/6 in that playoff run and is now 8/23.. is he suddenly that much less clutch? Or do the career overall numbers with a much larger sample size paint a better picture?
Now PO's do not matter? You Kobe turds are beyond belief. :oldlol:

LeBron still has a 10% advantage over Kobe in clutch situations. 8/23 vs 7/28. In short, LeBron made 1 more shot while attempting 5 fewer.

Also, what's with the arbitrary cutoff at 10 seconds? At a full shot clock, LeBron made 32 over his career on 107 tries, which comes out to 29.9%. Kobe? 47 on 160 tries, which comes out to 29.4%. This is the RS, BTW, since you think the PO's don't matter anymore for some reason.

You and tpols and the rest of the Kobe turd brigade can call me a "spambot" all you want. Just goes to show that you literally have ZERO arguments and can't refute anything I say. Other than the "but Kobe is better cuz I said so". :roll:

[aj1987]

https://s17.postimg.org/e5iw25a4f/20131020_204849.jpg
:roll: :roll:

:cheers: :cheers:

[chazzy]

Now PO's do not matter? You Kobe turds are beyond belief. :oldlol:

LeBron still has a 10% advantage over Kobe in clutch situations. 8/23 vs 7/28. In short, LeBron made 1 more shot while attempting 5 fewer.

Also, what's with the arbitrary cutoff at 10 seconds? At a full shot clock, LeBron made 32 over his career on 107 tries, which comes out to 29.9%. Kobe? 47 on 160 tries, which comes out to 29.4%. This is the RS, BTW, since you think the PO's don't matter anymore for some reason.

You and tpols and the rest of the Kobe turd brigade can call me a "spambot" all you want. Just goes to show that you literally have ZERO arguments and can't refute anything I say. Other than the "but Kobe is better cuz I said so". :roll:
This post does nothing to disprove what I was saying.

1. I was showing how playoff numbers have such a small sample size, that one playoff run where someone takes 6 shots can drop someone's % from 41% down to 34%. How effective is it really as a standalone measurement of clutch ability.

2. Exactly, arbitrary cut off. My point was you can do 5 seconds, 10 seconds etc and get different results. Kobe has a 15.6% advantage when you do it for 5 seconds.. it's going to vary depending on your goal posts and who you want to argue for.

3. Yes you made my point that they both shoot 29% when you expand their sample size to over 100+ shots.

4. I called you a spambot because you repeatedly post walls of text without checking accuracy, like 7/17

They're both similar. That's all I'm saying.

[aj1987]

This post does nothing to disprove what I was saying.

1. I was showing how playoff numbers have such a small sample size, that one playoff run where someone takes 6 shots can drop someone's % from 41% down to 34%. How effective is it really as a standalone measurement of clutch ability.

2. Exactly, arbitrary cut off. My point was you can do 5 seconds, 10 seconds etc and get different results. Kobe has a 15.6% advantage when you do it for 5 seconds.. it's going to vary depending on your goal posts and who you want to argue for.

3. Yes you made my point that they both shoot 29% when you expand their sample size to over 100+ shots.

4. I called you a spambot because you repeatedly post walls of text without checking accuracy, like 7/17

They're both similar. That's all I'm saying.
1. That's the point, isn't it? If you get rid of LeBron's '07 RS, he jumps from 29 something % to nearly 34. Dude's jumpshot was worst than '15 PO level in '07.

2. I've posted various times as well. As I keep saying, if there's a stat which shows LeBron in a negative light and Kobe in a positive light, I'll still post it. Heck even before the '16 PO's, I didn't cutoff arbitrarily at 35+ points in Finals or 40+. I posted his 30+ games as well, which he had more of than LeBron.

4. Yeah, it's outdated. If I find one which is updated, I'll post it. It's outdated just like the one about it, which shows clutch stats from '00 onwards. I'm pretty sure that that one is from '14.

[Mr Feeny]

5/47 :lol

yeah no Kobe is taking that last shot and he's making it.Why would a guy who shot 7/29 in playoffs take the last shot?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Just a final shot?

Kobe. More scoring skills to get off a clean look. That and I rather see dude clank than watch LeBron play possum.

[Mr Feeny]

Let me guess?
The guy who shot 8/23 in playof game winners rather than the guy who went 7-29.
I'd rather have lebron make the correct play than watch Kobe take an ill-advised contest fade away that bricks.

[egokiller]

Let me guess?
The guy who shot 8/23 in playof game winners rather than the guy who went 7-29.
I'd rather have lebron make the correct play than watch Kobe take an ill-advised contest fade away that bricks.

Both are unreliable. I'll take Horry or Allen.

[Mr Feeny]

Both are unreliable. I'll take Horry or Allen.

But between them, I'm going with the better shooter when it counts, who also happens to be a smarter player and better passer to get his team a better look if the shot isn't on.

[Prometheus]

You know youre dumb if 5/7 is poor result but 3/7 is not. Lol

Talking about only clutch situations. Uses overall finals record. F*cking idiot :facepalm

[aj1987]

5/47 is the latest data related to clutch. If you have anything newer please provide link as well
I do.

LeBron - 8/23 in the PO's
Kobe - 7-28 in the PO's

LeBron has 3 buzzer beater game winners and Kobe has one. While playing 7 fewer seasons as well.