The Truth about Lebron's efficiency

[toprange]

The Truth about Lebron's efficiency

Note to Admin: Please do not close this thread as it contains valuable Advanced Stats. You can close the other thread that I created that refers to the same stat.

I was suprised when I saw these numbers.

These are lebron's playoff FG% by distance (measured by feet from the basket)


0-2 72%
3-9 38%
10-15 34%
16<3 36%
3P 32%

Lebron's FG% is LESS than 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. A basketball court is 94 by 50 feet.

[aj1987]

Kobe in RS - 32.9% 3pt%
LeBron in the RS - 34% 3pt%

Kobe in the PO's - 33.1% 3pt%
LeBron in the PO's - 32.1% 3p%

Kobe in the Finals - 34% 3pt%
LeBron in the Finals - 37% 3pt%

Kobe is also a career 40.2% shooter from the midrange and LeBron is at 38.41%. Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

There's a reason at to why LeBron is a better scorer in the PO's, Finals, G7's, and elimination games.

40+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 5
Kobe - 1

35+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 8
Kobe - 4

30+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 15
Kobe - 13

Total number of games played in the Finals:

LeBron - 40
Kobe - 37

LeBron scored more against the "powerhouse" West, while Kobe sucked balls against the "shit" East.

45+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 7
Kobe - 5

40+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 17
Kobe - 13

35+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 37
Kobe - 35

30+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 84
Kobe - 88

Total number of games played in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 199
Kobe - 220

LeBron in the finals:

https://s32.postimg.org/hx7i4jk11/lbjfinals.jpg

Kobe in the Finals:

https://s31.postimg.org/sx3tdb1kr/kobefinals.jpg

Eliminaton Game Averages:

LeBron James (Team record - 10-8):

32.6 PPG 10.7 RPG 7.1 APG 1.6 SPG 1.1 BPG 3.9 TO's 46.7% FG 68.2% FT

Kobe Bryant (Team record - 8-10):

22.0 PPG 5.7 RPG 3.4 APG 1.0 SPG 0.67 BPG 41.6% FG 77.6% FT 25.9% 3pt

LeBron plays better against the West than the East.

http://i65.tinypic.com/x4nlzq.png

PO buzzer beater GW's:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

https://s17.postimg.org/e87d2q35r/oh_MPU.png
https://s17.postimg.org/6e6rhbvcv/ba19bd8117be4b4ac706b5223b9d7237_1.jpg
https://s17.postimg.org/e5iw25a4f/20131020_204849.jpg

[toprange]

Kobe in RS - 32.9% 3pt%
LeBron in the RS - 34% 3pt%

Kobe in the PO's - 33.1% 3pt%
LeBron in the PO's - 32.1% 3p%

Kobe in the Finals - 34% 3pt%
LeBron in the Finals - 37% 3pt%



aj1987, Can you remove your post. This discussion has nothing to do with kobe. It is simply advanced stats on Lebron's FG efficiency.

[aj1987]

aj1987, Can you remove your post. This discussion has nothing to do with kobe. It is simply advanced stats on Lebron's FG efficiency.
Those aren't advanced stats, alt, and we certainly do not need a dozen threads on the same topic.

[toprange]

Those aren't advanced stats, alt, and we certainly do not need a dozen threads on the same topic.
How is it not advanced stats. It is clearly showing fg% based on distance from the basket.

[BigKAT]

Stop.
Making.
The.
Same.
Freaking.
Thread.
Over.
And.
Over.
Again.

You've got far more to contribute to this forum with your basketball knowledge then senseless stats about an argument in which no one on either side is going to be convinced.

[toprange]

Stop.
Making.
The.
Same.
Freaking.
Thread.
Over.
And.
Over.
Again.

You've got far more to contribute to this forum with your basketball knowledge then senseless stats about an argument in which no one on either side is going to be convinced.
You forgot to preface your reply with "Most people have Lebron greater than kobe but can you stop making these same threads"
Who are you trying to fool. You pretend as if you are new to the game but seem to have already formed an opionion between kobe and lebron and you do not want to be educated further on that subject.

[Mr Feeny]

Can we just label AJ "The thread closer"?

[AirBonner]

Kobe in RS - 32.9% 3pt%
LeBron in the RS - 34% 3pt%

Kobe in the PO's - 33.1% 3pt%
LeBron in the PO's - 32.1% 3p%

Kobe in the Finals - 34% 3pt%
LeBron in the Finals - 37% 3pt%

Kobe is also a career 40.2% shooter from the midrange and LeBron is at 38.41%. Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

There's a reason at to why LeBron is a better scorer in the PO's, Finals, G7's, and elimination games.

40+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 5
Kobe - 1

35+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 8
Kobe - 4

30+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 15
Kobe - 13

Total number of games played in the Finals:

LeBron - 40
Kobe - 37

LeBron scored more against the "powerhouse" West, while Kobe sucked balls against the "shit" East.

45+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 7
Kobe - 5

40+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 17
Kobe - 13

35+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 37
Kobe - 35

30+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 84
Kobe - 88

Total number of games played in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 199
Kobe - 220

LeBron in the finals:

https://s32.postimg.org/hx7i4jk11/lbjfinals.jpg

Kobe in the Finals:

https://s31.postimg.org/sx3tdb1kr/kobefinals.jpg

Eliminaton Game Averages:

LeBron James (Team record - 10-8):

32.6 PPG 10.7 RPG 7.1 APG 1.6 SPG 1.1 BPG 3.9 TO's 46.7% FG 68.2% FT

Kobe Bryant (Team record - 8-10):

22.0 PPG 5.7 RPG 3.4 APG 1.0 SPG 0.67 BPG 41.6% FG 77.6% FT 25.9% 3pt

LeBron plays better against the West than the East.

http://i65.tinypic.com/x4nlzq.png

PO buzzer beater GW's:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

https://s17.postimg.org/e87d2q35r/oh_MPU.png
https://s17.postimg.org/6e6rhbvcv/ba19bd8117be4b4ac706b5223b9d7237_1.jpg
https://s17.postimg.org/e5iw25a4f/20131020_204849.jpg
Savage

[Da_Realist]

The Truth about Lebron's efficiency

Note to Admin: Please do not close this thread as it contains valuable Advanced Stats. You can close the other thread that I created that refers to the same stat.

I was suprised when I saw these numbers.

These are lebron's playoff FG% by distance (measured by feet from the basket)


0-2 72%
3-9 38%
10-15 34%
16<3 36%
3P 32%

Lebron's FG% is LESS than 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. A basketball court is 94 by 50 feet.

Imagine if Lebron had to deal with men allowed to sit in the paint and guard the rim.

[TommyGriffin]

Kobe in RS - 32.9% 3pt%
LeBron in the RS - 34% 3pt%

Kobe in the PO's - 33.1% 3pt%
LeBron in the PO's - 32.1% 3p%

Kobe in the Finals - 34% 3pt%
LeBron in the Finals - 37% 3pt%

Kobe is also a career 40.2% shooter from the midrange and LeBron is at 38.41%. Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

There's a reason at to why LeBron is a better scorer in the PO's, Finals, G7's, and elimination games.

40+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 5
Kobe - 1

35+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 8
Kobe - 4

30+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 15
Kobe - 13

Total number of games played in the Finals:

LeBron - 40
Kobe - 37

LeBron scored more against the "powerhouse" West, while Kobe sucked balls against the "shit" East.

45+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 7
Kobe - 5

40+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 17
Kobe - 13

35+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 37
Kobe - 35

30+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 84
Kobe - 88

Total number of games played in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 199
Kobe - 220

LeBron in the finals:

https://s32.postimg.org/hx7i4jk11/lbjfinals.jpg

Kobe in the Finals:

https://s31.postimg.org/sx3tdb1kr/kobefinals.jpg

Eliminaton Game Averages:

LeBron James (Team record - 10-8):

32.6 PPG 10.7 RPG 7.1 APG 1.6 SPG 1.1 BPG 3.9 TO's 46.7% FG 68.2% FT

Kobe Bryant (Team record - 8-10):

22.0 PPG 5.7 RPG 3.4 APG 1.0 SPG 0.67 BPG 41.6% FG 77.6% FT 25.9% 3pt

LeBron plays better against the West than the East.

http://i65.tinypic.com/x4nlzq.png

PO buzzer beater GW's:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

https://s17.postimg.org/e87d2q35r/oh_MPU.png
https://s17.postimg.org/6e6rhbvcv/ba19bd8117be4b4ac706b5223b9d7237_1.jpg
https://s17.postimg.org/e5iw25a4f/20131020_204849.jpg
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html

Study up.

[feyki]

I don't think people calls him as great shooter .

[SwayDizzle]

Can we just label AJ "The thread closer"?
no, his copy/paste game is boring

[Smoke117]

Kobe in RS - 32.9% 3pt%
LeBron in the RS - 34% 3pt%

Kobe in the PO's - 33.1% 3pt%
LeBron in the PO's - 32.1% 3p%

Kobe in the Finals - 34% 3pt%
LeBron in the Finals - 37% 3pt%

Kobe is also a career 40.2% shooter from the midrange and LeBron is at 38.41%. Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

There's a reason at to why LeBron is a better scorer in the PO's, Finals, G7's, and elimination games.

40+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 5
Kobe - 1

35+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 8
Kobe - 4

30+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 15
Kobe - 13

Total number of games played in the Finals:

LeBron - 40
Kobe - 37

LeBron scored more against the "powerhouse" West, while Kobe sucked balls against the "shit" East.

45+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 7
Kobe - 5

40+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 17
Kobe - 13

35+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 37
Kobe - 35

30+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 84
Kobe - 88

Total number of games played in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 199
Kobe - 220

LeBron in the finals:

https://s32.postimg.org/hx7i4jk11/lbjfinals.jpg

Kobe in the Finals:

https://s31.postimg.org/sx3tdb1kr/kobefinals.jpg

Eliminaton Game Averages:

LeBron James (Team record - 10-8):

32.6 PPG 10.7 RPG 7.1 APG 1.6 SPG 1.1 BPG 3.9 TO's 46.7% FG 68.2% FT

Kobe Bryant (Team record - 8-10):

22.0 PPG 5.7 RPG 3.4 APG 1.0 SPG 0.67 BPG 41.6% FG 77.6% FT 25.9% 3pt

LeBron plays better against the West than the East.

http://i65.tinypic.com/x4nlzq.png

PO buzzer beater GW's:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

https://s17.postimg.org/e87d2q35r/oh_MPU.png
https://s17.postimg.org/6e6rhbvcv/ba19bd8117be4b4ac706b5223b9d7237_1.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/ByQSoLU.gif

[toprange]

Imagine if Lebron had to deal with men allowed to sit in the paint and guard the rim.
Imagine that man. Then it would be GAME OVER. He would have to find another Career :confusedshrug:

[FKAri]

Imagine that man. Then it would be GAME OVER. He would have to find another Career :confusedshrug:
NBA would shut down. No one would be able to score then.

RIP NBA 1946-2016
Cause of death: Everyone forgot how to play the moment your favorite players retired

[LostCause]

Imagine if Lebron had to deal with men allowed to sit in the paint and guard the rim.

He'd adjust, and develop a superior midrange game than he has now

Just like if Jordan played today he'd develop a superior 3 point shot than he had in his career

These players are hall of famers with crazy work ethics. They'd do what it takes to be most effective

[swagga]

Kobe in RS - 32.9% 3pt%
LeBron in the RS - 34% 3pt%

Kobe in the PO's - 33.1% 3pt%
LeBron in the PO's - 32.1% 3p%

Kobe in the Finals - 34% 3pt%
LeBron in the Finals - 37% 3pt%

Kobe is also a career 40.2% shooter from the midrange and LeBron is at 38.41%. Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

There's a reason at to why LeBron is a better scorer in the PO's, Finals, G7's, and elimination games.

40+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 5
Kobe - 1

35+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 8
Kobe - 4

30+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 15
Kobe - 13

Total number of games played in the Finals:

LeBron - 40
Kobe - 37

LeBron scored more against the "powerhouse" West, while Kobe sucked balls against the "shit" East.

45+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 7
Kobe - 5

40+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 17
Kobe - 13

35+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 37
Kobe - 35

30+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 84
Kobe - 88

Total number of games played in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 199
Kobe - 220

LeBron in the finals:

https://s32.postimg.org/hx7i4jk11/lbjfinals.jpg

Kobe in the Finals:

https://s31.postimg.org/sx3tdb1kr/kobefinals.jpg

Eliminaton Game Averages:

LeBron James (Team record - 10-8):

32.6 PPG 10.7 RPG 7.1 APG 1.6 SPG 1.1 BPG 3.9 TO's 46.7% FG 68.2% FT

Kobe Bryant (Team record - 8-10):

22.0 PPG 5.7 RPG 3.4 APG 1.0 SPG 0.67 BPG 41.6% FG 77.6% FT 25.9% 3pt

LeBron plays better against the West than the East.

http://i65.tinypic.com/x4nlzq.png

PO buzzer beater GW's:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

https://s17.postimg.org/e87d2q35r/oh_MPU.png
https://s17.postimg.org/6e6rhbvcv/ba19bd8117be4b4ac706b5223b9d7237_1.jpg
https://s17.postimg.org/e5iw25a4f/20131020_204849.jpg
shut it down lol

[Lebron23]

Kobe in RS - 32.9% 3pt%
LeBron in the RS - 34% 3pt%

Kobe in the PO's - 33.1% 3pt%
LeBron in the PO's - 32.1% 3p%

Kobe in the Finals - 34% 3pt%
LeBron in the Finals - 37% 3pt%

Kobe is also a career 40.2% shooter from the midrange and LeBron is at 38.41%. Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

There's a reason at to why LeBron is a better scorer in the PO's, Finals, G7's, and elimination games.

40+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 5
Kobe - 1

35+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 8
Kobe - 4

30+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 15
Kobe - 13

Total number of games played in the Finals:

LeBron - 40
Kobe - 37

LeBron scored more against the "powerhouse" West, while Kobe sucked balls against the "shit" East.

45+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 7
Kobe - 5

40+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 17
Kobe - 13

35+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 37
Kobe - 35

30+ games in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 84
Kobe - 88

Total number of games played in the Playoffs:

LeBron - 199
Kobe - 220

LeBron in the finals:

https://s32.postimg.org/hx7i4jk11/lbjfinals.jpg

Kobe in the Finals:

https://s31.postimg.org/sx3tdb1kr/kobefinals.jpg

Eliminaton Game Averages:

LeBron James (Team record - 10-8):

32.6 PPG 10.7 RPG 7.1 APG 1.6 SPG 1.1 BPG 3.9 TO's 46.7% FG 68.2% FT

Kobe Bryant (Team record - 8-10):

22.0 PPG 5.7 RPG 3.4 APG 1.0 SPG 0.67 BPG 41.6% FG 77.6% FT 25.9% 3pt

LeBron plays better against the West than the East.

http://i65.tinypic.com/x4nlzq.png

PO buzzer beater GW's:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

https://s17.postimg.org/e87d2q35r/oh_MPU.png
https://s17.postimg.org/6e6rhbvcv/ba19bd8117be4b4ac706b5223b9d7237_1.jpg
https://s17.postimg.org/e5iw25a4f/20131020_204849.jpg

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[Da_Realist]

The Truth about Lebron's efficiency

Note to Admin: Please do not close this thread as it contains valuable Advanced Stats. You can close the other thread that I created that refers to the same stat.

I was suprised when I saw these numbers.

These are lebron's playoff FG% by distance (measured by feet from the basket)


0-2 72%
3-9 38%
10-15 34%
16<3 36%
3P 32%

Lebron's FG% is LESS than 40% outside of 2 feet from the basket. A basketball court is 94 by 50 feet.

Are these career numbers?

[Da_Realist]

Yes

I didn't know he was that bad. That's unbelievable. I would love to see Bird's shots broken down by distance. Where did you find this, bball-ref?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I didn't know he was that bad. That's unbelievable. I would love to see Bird's shots broken down by distance. Where did you find this, bball-ref?

Didn't know that either, although I never needed OP's info to know that its easier to stop LeBron in an isolated, mano y mano possession. Or at least compared to the likes of Jordan, Bird, Kobe, and hell, probably even Wade at his best.

Guess that comes from...wait for it...actually watching basketball games. :eek: A foreign concept around these parts, I know.

[tpols]

I didn't know he was that bad. That's unbelievable. I would love to see Bird's shots broken down by distance. Where did you find this, bball-ref?

im pretty sure it only goes back to like early 2000s on bball ref

[Dave3]

Duncan and Shaq's FG% from 3-9 is over 40%
Duncan's FG% from 10-15 is 39% which is greater than Lebron's

Duncan is a better Mid-Range scorer than Lebron
:roll: :roll:
Does the same logic hold true when LeBron shoots better than Kobe from 3 point range? Or does context matter only there because of the quality of shots taken?

Just wanna know the rules to this game.

[SamuraiSWISH]

The truth is in Miami he very obviously protected it. Him and Wade even admitted to having FG efficiency side bets. It was ridiculously padded those seasons.

Part of the reason he has been so likable the past two seasons is he no longer has that luxury. He just goes out and has to ball out. Like in both last year and this year's Finals.

[34-24 Footwork]

I didn't know he was that bad. That's unbelievable. I would love to see Bird's shots broken down by distance. Where did you find this, bball-ref?

I aint gonna lie, Lebron is one of the best players I've seen with my two eyes.

But i had no clue his shooting numbers were like this either. I knew he really couldn't shoot, even though he'd make some jumpers, uncharacteristically.

I mean....holy shit. Dude is practically a post player masquerading as a perimeter guy. Which is incredible..but has led to some serious issues (2011, 2015, 2014).

Without fastbreak points/easy layups, his game is practically neutralized from a scoring perspective.

Luckily, he still has the size and athleticism to carry him.

[RRR3]

Carmelo shoots below 40% outside of 2 feet in the playoffs too, I'm not sure what your point is.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html

[Smoke117]

Didn't know that either, although I never needed OP's info to know that its easier to stop LeBron in an isolated, mano y mano possession. Or at least compared to the likes of Jordan, Bird, Kobe, and hell, probably even Wade at his best.

Guess that comes from...wait for it...actually watching basketball games. :eek: A foreign concept around these parts, I know.

lol...probably even Wade? It's harder to stop a prime Wade one on one than it is a prime Kobe. You can force Kobe to take the jump shot (he wants to settle for it anyway), but you're not going to stay in front of Wade...Kobe himself knows that from first-hand experience.

[SamuraiSWISH]

lol...probably even Wade? It's harder to stop a prime Wade one on one than it is a prime Kobe. You can force Kobe to take the jump shot (he wants to settle for it anyway), but you're not going to stay in front of Wade.
Healthy prime Wade, I could agree. Proof is in the pudding in their production against those Rasheed / Big Ben / Tayshaun mid 2000's Detroit defenses. The 2004 team isn't all that different from 2005 or 2006.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

lol...probably even Wade? It's harder to stop a prime Wade one on one than it is a prime Kobe. You can force Kobe to take the jump shot (he wants to settle for it anyway), but you're not going to stay in front of Wade...Kobe himself knows that from first-hand experience.

I only said "probably" because of Wade's 3PT shot, or lack thereof, and inconsistent midrange.

At the peak of his powers, and when his jumper is falling down, Wade is the greatest 2-guard of all time not named MJ.

[RRR3]

I only said "probably" because of Wade's 3PT shot, or lack thereof, and inconsistent midrange.

At the peak of his powers, and when his jumper is falling down, Wade is the greatest 2-guard of all time not named MJ.
Not to disagree, but you could easily say "at the peak of his powers and when his jumper is falling down, LeBron is just as good as MJ" or something like that.


Also, the Mamba fans won't like what you just said :oldlol:

[Da_Realist]

Without fastbreak points/easy layups, his game is practically neutralized from a scoring perspective.

Luckily, he still has the size and athleticism to carry him.

Exactly. I mean, I knew this already just from watching him play. I'm on record saying I think his game is ugly so this is so surprise but damn... under 40% outside 2 feet? That can't be right for anyone.

[RRR3]

Exactly. I mean, I knew this already just from watching him play. I'm on record saying I think his game is ugly so this is so surprise but damn... under 40% outside 2 feet? That can't be right for anyone.
It's for the playoffs only, and the same is true for Carmelo (and Iverson, probably WB, T-Mac, maybe Harden as well). :hammerhead:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Prime Jordan is perfect. He's the best of both peak Wade, and peak Kobe.

[RRR3]

OP also rounded down two of LeBron's percentages to further his agenda. Just FYI. If he was being consistent rounding up, he would have had 35% for 10-15 and 37% for 16<3. LeBron also has 3 playoff runs (2007, 2008 and 2015) where he shot like absolute shit, and these runs total 53 of his 199 playoff games. A bad stretch in the playoffs impacts his totals more than in the regular season. I'm not saying LeBron is a great shooter, or even a good one (he was good a few years ago though. Wish that had been permanent), I'm just saying OP is an agenda-driven moron.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not to disagree, but you could easily say "at the peak of his powers and when his jumper is falling down, LeBron is just as good as MJ" or something like that.


Also, the Mamba fans won't like what you just said :oldlol:

Meh, LeBron has always been a decent 3PT and supbar midrange shooter. Or at least since dude's hit his prime he has. Wade's midrange comes and goes. Its more consistent. When its on, you see him doing this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAXYSj-iVxw) to Kobe, H2H. :bowdown:

[Da_Realist]

It's for the playoffs only, and the same is true for Carmelo (and Iverson, probably WB, T-Mac, maybe Harden as well). :hammerhead:

I don't care about Carmelo or TMac and Harden's game is more ugly than Lebron's. I would like to see Iverson's numbers, though.

[NBAGOAT]

I don't care about Carmelo or TMac and Harden's game is more ugly than Lebron's. I would like to see Iverson's numbers, though.

Iverson playoffs

3-9: 11.7% of his shots 37.7 fg%
10-15: 17.1% of his shots 38.3 fg%
16-24: 28.0% of his shots 39.7 fg%

kind of expected from iverson with his shot selection. he can score from outside however.

[RRR3]

I don't care about Carmelo or TMac and Harden's game is more ugly than Lebron's. I would like to see Iverson's numbers, though.
You don't care about Carmelo? But he's always held up as the paragon of aesthetics when it comes to scoring. I can't tell you the exact %, but based on the numbers available, I calculated Carmelo at being something like 37% outside of 2 feet in his playoff career. You can't take away points from 0-2 feet, that's retarded. Shaq must have been a trash scorer by that "logic" :oldlol:



http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01.html


Iverson in the playoffs:

0-2 feet: 51%
3-10 feet: 39%
10-15 feet: 39%
16<3: 37%
3PT: 32%



Harden's game is ugly why? Because he plays for fouls? He's a very skilled ball handler, his step back jumpers are awesome to watch, and he's got some really nifty moves around the basket.




Also **** you for not caring about T-Mac.

[RRR3]

Meh, LeBron has always been a decent 3PT and supbar midrange shooter. Or at least since dude's hit his prime he has. Wade's midrange comes and goes. Its more consistent. When its on, you see him doing this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAXYSj-iVxw) to Kobe, H2H. :bowdown:
Now he's bad at both :( He used to have the 3s at least :facepalm

He got better at midrange in Miami, now he's basically Rondo-esque (not that bad but he's pretty shit).

[Da_Realist]

You don't care about Carmelo? But he's always held up as the paragon of aesthetics when it comes to scoring. I can't tell you the exact %, but based on the numbers available, I calculated Carmelo at being something like 37% outside of 2 feet in his playoff career. You can't take away points from 0-2 feet, that's retarded. Shaq must have been a trash scorer by that "logic" :oldlol:



http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01.html


Iverson in the playoffs:

0-2 feet: 51%
3-10 feet: 39%
10-15 feet: 39%
16<3: 37%
3PT: 32%



Harden's game is ugly why? Because he plays for fouls? He's a very skilled ball handler, his step back jumpers are awesome to watch, and he's got some really nifty moves around the basket.




Also **** you for not caring about T-Mac.

Uhh thanks.

But yeah, don't care about Melo or TMac. And yeah I hate Harden's trolling for fouls.

[RRR3]

Uhh thanks.

But yeah, don't care about Melo or TMac. And yeah I hate Harden's trolling for fouls.
You were the one acting like shooting 40% outside of 0-2 feet in the playoffs is unprecedented for a star perimeter player. I proved you wrong on multiple accounts. It doesn't matter if you "care" about said players.

[Da_Realist]

You were the one acting like shooting 40% outside of 0-2 feet in the playoffs is unprecedented for a star perimeter player. I proved you wrong on multiple accounts. It doesn't matter if you "care" about said players.

They were two unrelated comments. Don't take things so personal.

I AM surprised at perimeter stars shooting under 40% outside 2 feet.

And I don't care about Melo, Tmac or Harden. Meaning I don't care what their numbers are.

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You were the one acting like shooting 40% outside of 0-2 feet in the playoffs is unprecedented for a star perimeter player. I proved you wrong on multiple accounts. It doesn't matter if you "care" about said players.

You do realize that Melo, Harden, Iverson play totally different positions than Lebron and their teams usually need them to take shots that Lebron hasnt needed to take since Miami?

Iverson is 5"11 SG, comparing his numbers to Lebron's is a bit disingenuous...unless you're just a flat out numbers guy.

Melo, Harden aren't given open jumpers as a strategy against them either. Can't compare either of them to Lebron

Blake Griffin/Lebron are similar shooters when it comes to reliability. Theh can both knock down 15-18 ft jumpers on a good day. But they are WIDE OPEN because it's a weak point in their arsenal.

Pretty sure teams go underneath screens against Lebron as well. Know one does that against Harden, AI or Melo.

Stats are cool....but context >>>>>>stats anyday

[Hey Yo]

Duncan and Shaq's FG% from 3-9 is over 40%
Duncan's FG% from 10-15 is 39% which is greater than Lebron's

Duncan is a better Mid-Range scorer than Lebron
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12ft-17 feet is considered mid-range.

plus you OP has 16 feet to the 3pt as the next shot recognized..... which is wrong.

Your reference from NBA.com doesn't recognize the long 2...which is 18 feet to the 3pt line.There's a reason why you do that, 3ball...

Time and time again,....busted.

[RRR3]

You do realize that Melo, Harden, Iverson play totally different positions than Lebron and their teams usually need them to take shots that Lebron hasnt needed to take since Miami?

Iverson is 5"11 SG, comparing his numbers to Lebron's is a bit disingenuous...unless you're just a flat out numbers guy.

Melo, Harden aren't given open jumpers as a strategy against them either. Can't compare either of them to Lebron

Blake Griffin/Lebron are similar shooters when it comes to reliability. Theh can both knock down 15-18 ft jumpers on a good day. But they are WIDE OPEN because it's a weak point in their arsenal.

Pretty sure teams go underneath screens against Lebron as well. Know one does that against Harden, AI or Melo.

Stats are cool....but context >>>>>>stats anyday
Now context matters :oldlol: Like you ever have cared about context when it comes to LeBron

Melo plays a "totally different position" than LeBron? Are you retarded? :biggums:

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Now context matters :oldlol: Like you ever have cared about context when it comes to LeBron

Melo plays a "totally different position" than LeBron? Are you retarded? :biggums:

Position not as in bball position like PG, SG, SF and etc. Position like role. Lebron's role is that of a big man Roaming the perimeter as a guard....which reeks havoc on defenses.

Carmelo, obviously is asked and expected to produce offensively by a variety of means.