Golden State glaring Defensive Weakness

[retaxis]

So..They still haven't addressed Stephen Curry issue on defence. Teams are going to go at him all day, every day for the entire season and playoffs. Man i hate to be Stephen Curry right now.

Teams are going to do that PNR on him, switch the big man to roll on him and Curry is going to be embarassed for the entire season....He is like Prigioni on defence literally.

Has Curry been beefing up or working on his defence lately? I guarantee every team has him in the crosshairs if they want to come close to beating the GSW.

[TommyGriffin]

Stephen Curry is one of the top 5 defenders in the league at the point guard position. Eye test and advanced stats back this up.

If there is going to be any weaknesses in the Warriors' defense it is going to be defense in the low post after losing Bogut and Barnes.

[Ben Simmons]

His defense is fine. He wasnt really that bad on defense vs the Cavs. Lebron and Kyrie just went God mode on offense when they needed too.

What the Cavs did was make him work though, so he had much less energy than when he was hiding on scrub players waiting to go off in the fourth. With Durant it wont even matter.

[G-train]

Unfortunately for everyone else, as hard as you look you will find less problems with this team than any other.
Only health really stands in the way, or mental capitulation by Durant/Curry.

[retaxis]

Even if Curry is the best PG defender in the league, the teams know that if they want to beat GSW, all paths lead through attacking Curry. Thunder almost did it through attacking Curry and Cavs sealed the deal.

What else are they going to do? Put Draymond green in 1 on 1 situations in the Low post? Good luck because you aren't winning too many games with that game plan.

[Prime_Shaq]

Losing Bogut will hurt them more than they think

[BigKAT]

Stephen Curry is one of the top 5 defenders in the league at the point guard position. Eye test and advanced stats back this up.

If there is going to be any weaknesses in the Warriors' defense it is going to be defense in the low post after losing Bogut and Barnes.

I don't know about stats or eye test you're speaking of.

But in the Finals and OKC series it seemed as though he was a liability.
He often seemed out of focus, and I think the switching onto curry tactic got him into foul trouble/allowed the Cavs to get to him mentally.

Even if you are a good defender, watching the offense comes at you every single time does something to your ego, and I think that this little mental thing might've helped the Cavs win game 7.

If you noticed,

James Harden, Steph Curry and D-rose all had career seasons after saying they are the best in the league. (For Harden/Curry before the 14' season)

So mentally I think GSW got a problem. Even if Curry is a good defender (Though I personally think, through my personal eye test in the finals, that he isn't top 10, not to even mention top 5,) Then it doesn't matter if teams can just go at him like OP said and psyche him out.

[sunnyboy91]

Even if Curry is the best PG defender in the league, the teams know that if they want to beat GSW, all paths lead through attacking Curry. Thunder almost did it through attacking Curry and Cavs sealed the deal.

What else are they going to do? Put Draymond green in 1 on 1 situations in the Low post? Good luck because you aren't winning too many games with that game plan.

Totally depends on the team.
Attacking Curry will work for teams like CLE and POR because they have backcourt players capable of giving him trouble.

I think losing Bogut hurts, and a team like SAS should attack with post-ups and OFF rebounding since they have a frontcourt edge.

Their weakness is their frontcourt and Curry

Either way.....
slow down the pace (prevent fastbreaks....duh)
offensive boards (OKC and CLE had success in the past)
postups (SAS should have success......Pau/Aldridge/Kawhi can all post up)
attack curry (POR and CLE should have had success in the past)
hope for a Durant/Green/Curry injury (mean but true tbh)

[TommyGriffin]

I don't know about stats or eye test you're speaking of.

But in the Finals and OKC series it seemed as though he was a liability.
He often seemed out of focus, and I think the switching onto curry tactic got him into foul trouble/allowed the Cavs to get to him mentally.

Even if you are a good defender, watching the offense comes at you every single time does something to your ego, and I think that this little mental thing might've helped the Cavs win game 7.

If you noticed,

James Harden, Steph Curry and D-rose all had career seasons after saying they are the best in the league. (For Harden/Curry before the 14' season)

So mentally I think GSW got a problem. Even if Curry is a good defender (Though I personally think, through my personal eye test in the finals, that he isn't top 10, not to even mention top 5,) Then it doesn't matter if teams can just go at him like OP said and psyche him out.
How did you feel about his defense last season and this season before he injured his knee?

[aj1987]

How did you feel about his defense last season and this season before he injured his knee?
He was above average. I wouldn't call him an elite defender though. He's not going to shutdown anyone, but he isn't Hardenesque either.

[Jasper]

most offense players are weak defenders.

That is why when you find a wing player strong in both , they are considered in the top30 ALL time.

[DukeDelonte13]

Stephen Curry is one of the top 5 defenders in the league at the point guard position. Eye test and advanced stats back this up.

If there is going to be any weaknesses in the Warriors' defense it is going to be defense in the low post after losing Bogut and Barnes.




This is just flat out wrong.

Steph is a below average defender. He always has been. This "eye test" you speak of clearly shows that.


Advanced metrics when it comes to defense are unreliable. If you play for a winning team that plays good overall D an individual's advanced defensive metrics get inflated. The inverse is true, where you can have a great defender on a terrible team whose metrics looks like dog shit.

Further, the warriors and curry aren't trying to put him in a position where he is locking down scorers. That goes to Klay and Iggy. Curry gets hidden on D as much as possible, again, inflating these metrics.

[Achilleas]

question if you all say that curry was hidden in def,then every time a pg goes ham against gsw blame klay and not curry

[hold this L]

question if you all say that curry was hidden in def,then every time a pg goes ham against gsw blame klay and not curry
I'm pretty sure Steph did a better job on Westbrook than Klay whose known as the best 2 way player in the league, but this narrative was funny. People also forget how diabollically awful Kyrie was defensively in the first 3 games in the final as well.

I thought this would be about Bogut's defense or depth losing a bit of a punch, but that's giving some people too much credit. :lol

[lilteapot]

Curry getting destroyed by Kyrie Irving, who might be the third most dangerous offensive weapon in the league after Durant and Curry, is not a glaring defensive weakness, it's to be expected. Kyrie pretty much embarrasses anyone.

Like someone else said, the biggest issue is their defense inside.

[BigKAT]

How did you feel about his defense last season and this season before he injured his knee?

Honestly?

I got to watch maybe 5-6 GSW regular season games.
Like I mentioned I don't get all the NBA games on my TV.

I saw the Celtics Game, Lakers game (Both losses) and he was bad.

And I saw the Cavs game I remember, both of them.
In both he looked solid, well. I didn't noticed anything bad, so that's good.

But that's a small sample.

[PP34Deuce]

Curry getting destroyed by Kyrie Irving, who might be the third most dangerous offensive weapon in the league after Durant and Curry, is not a glaring defensive weakness, it's to be expected. Kyrie pretty much embarrasses anyone.

Like someone else said, the biggest issue is their defense inside.


I think a very underrated signing was Gasol to the Spurs. One thing I noticed was pop and front office look to plan to pound them inside with 2 legit post players in Gasol and Aldridge that can also pop out to 20 feet and shoot.

Golden state just has to stay healthy.

[Smoke117]

Stephen Curry is one of the top 5 defenders in the league at the point guard position. Eye test and advanced stats back this up.

If there is going to be any weaknesses in the Warriors' defense it is going to be defense in the low post after losing Bogut and Barnes.

lol...watch CP3 play defense and then come back and tell me Curry is a top 5 defensive player at the pg position. It will be a night and day comparison.

[jrjim]

GSW's biggest weakness is gonna be rebounding. If a team like the Spurs can pummel them on the boards, it'll force them to play 2 bigs for the majority of the game; which makes them a lot more guardable.

[Bankaii]

His defense is fine. He wasnt really that bad on defense vs the Cavs. Lebron and Kyrie just went God mode on offense when they needed too.

What the Cavs did was make him work though, so he had much less energy than when he was hiding on scrub players waiting to go off in the fourth. With Durant it wont even matter.
Did you watch the Finals? They ran the whoever offense on him.
Lebron/Kyrie were running plays just to get him switched on him (including Kyrie's go ahead shot).
Lebron even told JR to attack when Curry was guarding him.

There's an obvious weakness and its him. Now with KD playing PF they'll get abused inside too.

[TheWinningFam]

Yall will see when ya realise iggy is too old with a bad back to defend lebron and you have nobody to defend the paint cuz you got rid of bogut.

Back to back incoming.
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[retaxis]

1st year championship - Fluke because Cavs lost 2 of 3 best players

2nd year loss - no 1 on 1 scorer because they got rid of David Lee

3rd year potential loss - no inside presence and teams are going to waste on Curry

I just can't see how Curry's ankles can take a season of teams forcing switches and attacking him.

Lets draw a quick number and take 3 teams out

chicago/boston/Hawks

Chicago Rondo PNR with Wade (old school 1/2 PNR). Wade catches the ball at the 3 pt line and drives straight at Curry's chest all game every game after the hand off from Rondo. Curry is not going to keep up with Wade's strength.

Boston - Isiah/Horford PNR. Curry switches onto a rolling Horford quickly as Horford is known for the pick and pop. Horford can choose to roll hard or pick and pop. Little Curry can do against either.

Hawks - Schuerder and Howard PNR with the alley oop and dump off on a rolling howard after he sets a hard pick on Curry. We know Pachulia on the GSW is not going to be able to keep up with Schueder's foot speed so he either gets to the rim (or passes to the 3 or hockey assist when Dray comes around) or Curry has to defend a rolling Dwight howard who can dunk that shit.

Every team out there is going to say "Put Curry in the PNR and bulldog that sh1t" He doesn't have the core strength to stop you, move him out the way!

[retaxis]

Teams are going to play this song before they suit up against Curry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEuU64Zt4B0

[comerb]

Somebody found a molehill and is desperately pretending it's a mountain.

On the other side, the opposing team has a couple legitimate mountains to climb trying to keep Curry, Durant, Klay, and Green from absolutely demolishing them. How do you even begin to guard that?

[retaxis]

Somebody found a molehill and is desperately pretending it's a mountain.

On the other side, the opposing team has a couple legitimate mountains to climb trying to keep Curry, Durant, Klay, and Green from absolutely demolishing them. How do you even begin to guard that?
Same thing about fighting a dragon (imaginary for you geniuses out there). Your going to lose 99% of the time but that doesn't mean you aren't going to try to attack it at its weakest points like its eyes, wings and throat.

[sunnyboy91]

I think a very underrated signing was Gasol to the Spurs. One thing I noticed was pop and front office look to plan to pound them inside with 2 legit post players in Gasol and Aldridge that can also pop out to 20 feet and shoot.

Golden state just has to stay healthy.

Spurs can only beat GSW if Gasol, Aldridge and Leonard go nuts in the low post, keep turnovers down and slow down the pace.
Hopefully Pop doesnt screw up and play Parker too much like he did vs LAC and OKC in 15 and 16.

[hold this L]

Yall will see when ya realise iggy is too old with a bad back to defend lebron and you have nobody to defend the paint cuz you got rid of bogut.

Back to back incoming.
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This is a legit concern.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Steph is a HUGE defensive liability. GS is in trouble in the finals anyone on the Cavs will score in him 1 on 1.

[GimmeThat]

just because a team doesn't draw fouls doesn't make them bad defensively

so, what's Golden State's glaring offensive weakness? taking the best shot possible doesn't necessarily correlate with shot clock control

dat Kobe system and LEBron ball

[PP34Deuce]

If Kevin Durant becomes killer like I think he can, they will steamroll the West.

If it becomes Cleveland Golden State, it's going another 7 games. Lebron for some reason has always been able to match up with Durant especially if Durant is at the 4.

Tristan and Green match up at 5. It's actually a good match up for Cleveland unless Golden State goes nuclear.