Reminder: LeBron Had The GOAT Finals Series Against the Best NBA Team Ever

[SilkkTheShocker]

Led BOTH teams in every category, while having the GOAT Finals series. This despite being severe underdogs against the best team in NBA History. Simply amazing.

[ClipperRevival]

Reminder: You've made this thread like 15 times.

And LOL at he beat the best team ever. Based on what? The playoffs clearly proved they were not as good as their regular season record indicates. Being pushed to the absolute brink by OKC proved this. If they had stream rolled into the finals ala 2001 Lakers and Curry was playing in MVP form and LeBron/Irving still did this, it would be more impressive. But that wasn't the case.

But i'm not trying to come across as a hater. I still recognize what he accomplished and the weight it carries. But GSW was not the best team ever.

[Nilocon165]

I wouldn't say GOAT finals.

Maybe the last 3 games, but not the whole thing.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I am a raging h.omosexual



Ok, dude.

[ralph_i_el]

How could it be the GOAT finals if it took them 7 games to win?

[SouBeachTalents]

How could it be the GOAT finals if it took them 7 games to win?

That's a ridiculous argument. '93 Jordan, '00 Shaq, '03 Duncan & '06 Wade all had monster Finals, are you telling me those performances take a hit because those series went 6 games? And all against worse teams than this years Warriors

[ArbitraryWater]

How could it be the GOAT finals if it took them 7 games to win?

:facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

How could it be the GOAT finals if it took them 7 games to win?


Massive under dogs. No one gave them a chance. Don't be an idiot, son.

[Smoke117]

Silk being an obsessive fakkot as usual

[LostCause]

One of the best teams ever. Their playoff record supercedes the regular season one, and as we saw, they weren't as dominant as advertised when the games mattered most

There's a reason all the players and coaches kept trying silence the hype by telling people to wait to see how they fare in the playoffs to cap the season. Its a different animal

[Bawkish]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[bigkingsfan]

73 win team needs Durant just to compete with Lebron.

[jayfan]

Led BOTH teams in every category, while having the GOAT Finals series. This despite being severe underdogs against the best team in NBA History. Simply amazing.

And despite playing as bad a game as an alleged superstar could ever possibly play in game 4.




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[Jasper]

Led BOTH teams in every category, while having the GOAT Finals series. This despite being severe underdogs against the best team in NBA History. Simply amazing.
what about Curry .. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[knicksman]

Reminder: op is a proven coward:lol

[Smoke117]

How could it be the GOAT finals if it took them 7 games to win?

He's got a point...if it was the GOAT finals why did it need 7 games? Because he played like ass early on, that's why. GOAT finals...what a ****ing joke.

[SamuraiSWISH]

If you go by game score, which really is the best indication of dominance statistically ...

Between MJ, Kobe, LeBron and Wade. The best perimeter stars of the modern eras post '85.

1) MJ '93
2) MJ '91
3) LeBron '16
4) MJ '92
5) Wade '06

LeBron faces the best team. But their best player was slumping. And his sidekick went absolutely bat shit on the opposition.

Clutch offensive explosion that neither Jordan or Wade had in their Finals series.

Michael easily faced the most dominant individual players to out shine and win his championships. Facing the absolute best of the likes of Barkley, Magic, and Drexler.

Wade was mighty impressive but slightly skewed performance due to suspect and overly touchy officiating.

[imdaman99]

Best team ever? :wtf: What kinda delusional and insecure dumbass are you? Oh yeah, the leader of branstans :oldlol:

[GrapeApe]

A team that lost 6 playoff games before even reaching the finals is the best team ever?

[LAZERUSS]

A team that lost 6 playoff games before even reaching the finals is the best team ever?

Well, it was actually five, but yes, you are right. NOWHERE the "best team ever."

They were down 3-1 to a 55 win team, and almost lost in games six and seven. They were outscored and outplayed.

BUT, Cleveland did not beat that same team that almost lost to the Thunder, either.

Thanks to Lebron tea-bagging Draymond, Green was suspended in game five. Then, the Warriors lost their rim protector to injury in games six and seven. And worst of all, a back injury basically reduced the career "Lebron Stopper" to a mere shell in games six and seven. Add in Chokurry puking all over the floor in the waning minutes of game seven (actually the entire series), and stopped by Kevin Love of all people at a critical time, and then watching helplessly as KYRIE hit the series winning shot (yes, after Lebron went 0-4 from the floor in the last four minutes, KYRIE decided to take matters into his own hands.)

BTW...the best player in the game in game seven? Easily Draymond Green, (remember him in game five...oh wait...) with a game-high 32 points, on 11-15 shooting, and an unfathomable .933 eFG$ and .955 TS%, with a game high 15 rebounds. Meanwhile, "brick-laying" Lebron went 9-24, and couldn't hit a shot down the stretch. Saved by a teammate...just as he was in the '13 Finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

Well, it was actually five, but yes, you are right. NOWHERE the "best team ever."

They were down 3-1 to a 55 win team, and almost lost in games six and seven. They were outscored and outplayed.

BUT, Cleveland did not beat that same team that almost lost to the Thunder, either.

Thanks to Lebron tea-bagging Draymond, Green was suspended in game five. Then, the Warriors lost their rim protector to injury in games six and seven. And worst of all, a back injury basically reduced the career "Lebron Stopper" to a mere shell in games six and seven. Add in Chokurry puking all over the floor in the waning minutes of game seven (actually the entire series), and stopped by Kevin Love of all people at a critical time, and then watching helplessly as KYRIE hit the series winning shot (yes, after Lebron went 0-4 from the floor in the last four minutes, KYRIE decided to take matters into his own hands.)

BTW...the best player in the game in game seven? Easily Draymond Green, (remember him in game five...oh wait...) with a game-high 32 points, on 11-15 shooting, and an unfathomable .933 eFG$ and .955 TS%, with a game high 15 rebounds. Meanwhile, "brick-laying" Lebron went 9-24, and couldn't hit a shot down the stretch. Saved by a teammate...just as he was in the '13 Finals.

Just like Jerry West was the best player in Game 7 of the '69 Finals. Dude dropped a 42/13/12 triple double, arguably the GOAT Finals Game 7 performance and was even awarded the FMVP in a series loss

[Screamin A Smit]

Just like Jerry West was the best player in Game 7 of the '69 Finals. Dude dropped a 42/13/12 triple double, arguably the GOAT Finals Game 7 performance and was even awarded the FMVP in a series loss


Meanwhile Wilt couldn't handle the pressure and asked his coach to sub-off during the 4th quarter :oldlol:



And once Wilt saw the bench warmer who was his sub was outplaying him, he begged his coach to put him back in for statpadding purposes :banana:

[LAZERUSS]

Just like Jerry West was the best player in Game 7 of the '69 Finals. Dude dropped a 42/13/12 triple double, arguably the GOAT Finals Game 7 performance and was even awarded the FMVP in a series loss

And what happened in that '69 Finals?

Yep...they lost. Why? Because their COACH had Wilt playing the HIGH POST.

AND, despite the limited touches... an 18 point game, on 7-8 from the floor, and a game-high TS% of .621, with a game high 27 rebounds, and a game high 10 blocked shots...all while holding his HOF peer to 6 points, on 2-7 shooting (and a .333 TS%), with 21 rebounds.

I find it fascinating that the Lakers new coach the very next season, asked WILT to become the focal point of the offense. Guess what, in the first nine games, and before shredding his knee... Chamberlain was leading the league in scoring at 32.2 ppg, on a .579 FG%, and with a league-leading 20.6 rpg.

Too bad he blew out his knee, and was never the same. BTW, in the game in which he injured it... 33 points, on 13-14 shooting, and in only 28 minutes. He was well on his way to yet another 50 point game.

Incidently, Wilt at least lost a FMVP to an all-time great.

LeChoke was losing to a role player off the bench, who just happened to shut his ass down.

[Screamin A Smit]

Wilt Chamberlain's choking resume


1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1963 Regular season
Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

1960 Division Finals
After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 35-65 (53.8%)

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt Chamberlain's choking resume


1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1963 Regular season
Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

1960 Division Finals
After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 35-65 (53.8%)

Hmmm...


59-60: Single-handedly leads a last place roster from the year before in the first round of the playoffs with a 39-23 series, culminated by a clinching 53-22 performance. Takes that same vastly overmatched roster to a game six, two point loss against a 59-16 team, with a 31-27 series, including a 50-35 must win game five.

'60-61. Puts up a 37-23 series, while his teammates collectively shoot .332.

61-62 EDF's. Wilt single-handedly carries essentially the same last place roster he joined in his rookie season, and past Syracuse in the first round with a 37 ppg 23 rpg series, and with a must-win and clinching game five 56-35-12 triple double performance. His badly overmatched teammates lose a game seven to a HOF-laden 60-20 Celtic team by two points. And Wilt averaged 34 ppg and 26 rpg in the series, badly outscoring, and outshooting Russell, and also outrebounding him.

63-64 Finals. After taking what had been a 31-49 team to a 48-32 record, and with a seven game series average of 39 ppg, 23 rpg, and on a .559 FG%, he then takes that roster to the Finals, where they lose to a Celtic team that has an 8-2 edge in HOFers, 4-1. BUT, the last two games are decided in the waning seconds. Oh, and Chamberlain outscores Russell, per game, 29.2 ppg to 11.2 ppg; outrebounds Russell, per game, 27.8 rpg to 25.2 rpg; and outshoots Russell in the series, .517 to .386.

64-65 EDF's. Gotta love this one. Chamberlain single-handedly takes a 40-40 team, to a game seven, one point loss, and in that game seven, puts up 30 points, on 12-15 FG/FGA, with 32 rebounds. Oh, and that series, all he did was average 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, and shot .555 from the field. His His .555 FG% comes in a series in which the two teams collectively shot .413 from the floor...or a full 14 percentage points higher than the series average. Also had a .575 TS%. Crushed Russell by the largest margin any GOAT candidate has ever received.

65-66. EDF's. Yep, Wilt shot 8-25 from the line in that clinching game five loss, and could only score 46 points, on 19-34 shooting, with 34 rebounds. In the series, he averaged 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, and shot .509 (badly outplaying Russell in all three categories), and how about his teammates? They collectively shot .352 from the field in that series.

66-67. Puts up a 28-27-11 .617 first round. Then destroys Russell and his eight-time defending, and 60-21 Celtics, with a 22-32-10 .556 series (Russell puts up an 11-23-7 .358 Finals BTW.). Stomps a peak Thurmond in the Finals...outscoring him in five of the six H2H's, outrebounding him in five of the six H2H's, outassisting him in five of the six H2H's, and outshooting him from the floor in every game (and by a .560 to .343 margin.)

67-68 EDF's. READ Cherry's account on THAT series please. Chamberlain was playing with an assortment of injuries, including one that was similar to what Willis Reed suffered in the '70 Finals (and was basically a statue after that), and was NOTICEABLY LIMPING throughout the series. That Sixer team was also without HOFer Cunningham the entire series, and still had a 3-1 seriees lead. Then, in game five, (and in a game in which a hobbled Chamberlain put up a 28-30 performance) they lost TWO more starters to injury. They would go on to lose a game seven, by four points. And, BTW, Chamberlain only TOUCHED the damned ball SEVEN times in the entire second half, and only TWICE in the 4th quarter (and those came on offensive rebounds.) He only scored 14 points, but had 34 rebounds, (Russell put up a 12-26 game), and for the series, the "choker" put up a 22-25 .487 series.



Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...


68-69 Finals. I don't have the time to detail just how horribly coached that team was. But, in any case, in that game seven, he outscored Russell, 18-6; he outrebounded Russell, 27-21; and he outshot Russell from the field, 7-8 to 2-7, all while recording 10 blocked shots... oh and his incompetent coach left him on the bench in the last five minutes of a two point loss. It was his worst Finals, and yet he still easily outplayed Russell. Incidently, take Wilt and Russell's FG/FGAs out of that game seven, and Russell's teammates outshot Wilt's by a .477 to .360 margin...again, in a two point loss.

69-70. If you are going to blame Wilt for choking away this series, then I will ad 88-89 to Bird's choking resume. Why? Because, while Bird didn't play in his postseason with an injury, Chamberlain was only four months removed from major knee surgery. Not only that, he and West carried a heavy-underdog to a game seven against the heavily-favored Knicks (who had routed KAJ's 56-26 Bucks, 4-1 in the ECF's.) Oh and all Chamberlain could do in that series was put up the ONLY 20-20 .600 Finals in NBA HISTORY (23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, and on a .625 FG%.) Find me a series like that from your boy Bird. Much less in one in which he had no business playing.

72-73 Finals. After Chamberlain crushed Thurmond and his Warriors in the WCF's (the same Thurmond and Warriors team that wiped out Kareem and his 60-22 Bucks in the previous round) he them to the Finals, and they lost four close games, all with an injured West. Oh, and in Wilt's very last game of his career, he scored 23 points, on 9-16 shooting, and with 21 rebounds.

THAT was Chamberlain, "the Choker."

Wilt in his 23 must win playoff games...

31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in that same span.)

In his 37 must win and series clinching games...

29.5 ppg, 26.1 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .546 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in that same span.)


Then how about THE CHOKER...


Lebron in the '07 Finals. In a Finals in which he averaged 6 ppg less than his regular season ppg (using the same rounding methods used against Wilt)...and on a .356 FG%...in a season in which he shot .476.

Oh, and then in the clinching (and sweeping) game four one point loss...LeChoke shot 10-30 from the field, and 2-6 from the line.


How about the '11 Finals? Scored TEN PPG less than his regular season average (again, using the "Wilt" method of rounding.) Watched passively the entire series while a declining Wade couldn't cut the mustard/ Hell, Wade even yelled at the timid one in a critical game of the series. Then this physical specimen was SHUT DOWN by the 5-10 JJ Barea in the most critical moments of the series, as well.

How about the '13 Finals. Was a bystander in game six until the 4th quarter. Then comitted numerous turnovers in the waning minutes, and with his team down 3, he launched a wild trey that looked like a drunken Stevie Wonder throwing a bowling ball in a wind-tunnel. Fortunately for LeChoke...Ray Allen hit the most critical shot of the series...or LeFlop would have been "1-5."

How about the '15 Finals. In a season in which he shot .488...he couldn't do ANYTHING against the one-on-one defense of a role player off the Warrior bench, and ended up shooting .398. In his biggest game of the series, a winnable game six...he shot-jacked his way to 13-33 shooting. Then he meekly handed the FMVP to that same bench-player. An NBA first...two MVPs, in their primes...watching as a role player held up the FMVP trophy.

Even the '16 Finals. In the last four minutes of game seven...and as always...LeChoke came up empty. 0-4 from the floor, and just awful. And again, a TEAMMATE stepped up...and Kyrie hit the series winning shot.


Oh, and we can't forget Lebron QUITTING on his team in the 2010 playoffs, and even his own ownder acknowledged that LeChoke quit on his team in the 2009 playoffs.

Court Jester's most memorable moment oh his choking playoff career...being carted off after basically mailing in the series in game one of the '14 Finals...in the most one-sided beatdown ever administered in NBA Finals history...with...yep...MENSTRUAL CRAMPS.

[LAZERUSS]

This...


Scoring? How about post-season runs of 28, 29, 33, 35, 35, and 37 ppg? How about post-season series of 37, 37, 39, and 39 ppg? How about post-season series of 28-30, 29-28, 30-31, 31-27, and 34-27 against RUSSELL? How about 13 playoff games of 40+...11 of which came in his 52 playoff games in his "scoring" seasons (21% for those keeping track.) How about MUST WIN games of 45-27 (Finals BTW), 46-34 (against RUSSELL BTW), 50-22, 50-35 (against RUSSELL BTW), and even a 56-35-12 game? As well as another 50 point game in the '64 WDF's. Or series clinching games of 30-32, 30-26, 38-26, and 39-26-10?

How about his MUST WIN playoff games? In his 23 must win playoff games...

31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in the same span.)

How about his 37 MUST WIN, and SERIES CLINCHING playoff games?

29.5 ppg, 26.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, and on a .546 FG% (again, in post-seasons that shot .435 in that span...or nearly TWELVE percentage points above the league average.)


Rebounding? Simply...the GOAT post-season rebounder in NBA history. Yes, Russell had a slightly higher average... 24.9 rpg to 24.5 rpg...BUT, in their eight playoff series H2H's, Chamberlain outrebounded Russell in EVERY one of them. Including margins of 5, 6, and even 9 rpg! Oh, Chamberlain is also the all-time FINALS leading rebounder with a career average of 24.6 rpg.

He played in 13 post-seasons, and his LOW was 20.2 rpg. He also had post-seasons of 28, 29, and even 30 rpg. And he had series of 30 and 31 rpg (both against RUSSELL BTW.) In his LAST post-season, at age 36, and covering 17 games... 22.5 rpg, in a post-season that averaged 50.6 rpg per team (just this last season the NBA averaged 42.0 rpg.) That translates to 19 rpg in the '16 playoffs. In his LAST season.

He played in 29 post-season series, and was never outrebounded by an opposing center in ANY of them. He was outrebounded by PF Jerry Lucas in ONE...and by a 21.0 to 20.0 rpg margin/ However, when the two faced each other as CENTERS, a 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg, outrebounded the 31 year old Lacas, playing 46 mpg, by a 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg margin.

Wilt was outrebounding Reed by 14 rpg, Thurmond by 7 rpg, and Russell by 9 rpg.


Playoff RECORDS? Surely this "declining" Wilt would not have any post-season records, right? How about, and by far, the most 20-20 games, the most 30-20 games, the most 20-30 games, the most 30-30 games, the most 40-20 games, the most 40-30 games, the most 50-20 games, and the most 50-30 games? How about the most post-seasons of 20-20, 30-20, 30-25, 35-20?


Blocked shots? Tim Duncan just retired with the "official" post-season blocked shot record of 568 in his 251 playoff games. Well nbastats.net contributor, Julizaver found blocked shot data for 81 of Wilt's 160 post-season games...or roughly half (and almost all of it from the mid-60's on)...and... 590 blocked shots...in 81 games! Hell, an old Wilt blocked 33 shots in his '72 WCF's in the four known games of that series, and 15 of those were on KAJ!

Defense? Wilt held Russell to playoff series FG%'s of .399, .397, .386, and .358 (in a season in which Russell shot .454 against the NBA.) He held Thurmond to playoff series of .392, .373, and .343 (a PEAK Nate BTW...and in a season in which Thurmond shot .437 against the NBA.) He held Bellamy to .450 in a season in which Bellamy shot .521 against the NBA, and then to .421 in a season in which Bellamy had shot .541 against the NBA. Oh, can't forget Kareem, either. KAJ shot .577 and .574 against the NBA in '71 and '72. Against Wilt in those two post-seasons? .481 and .457 (including .414 in the last four games of that series.)

How about Wilt's FG% in his six Finals? .559...all while holding his opposing centers (all in the HOF BTW)...to a combined .439. Or how about his two game seven's of the Finals? He outshot Reed and Russell by a combined .708 to .333 margin (all while averaging 19.5 ppg and 25.5 rpg.)


Passing? Find me a CENTER who averaged 9.0 apg in an entire playoff run (which, BTW, led the post-season that year.) Or a center who had two straight triple-double series (28-27-11, and 22-32-10)?


Of course, had a PRIME Wilt faced the likes of a washed Smits, or a 35 year old Mutombo (whom Shaq was allowed to beat to a bloody pulp in some of the most disgraceful offciating in Finals history), or a never-was in the career 6 ppg scoring MacCulloch, or the complete bust in Eric Dampier... in his Finals...no doubt he would have been putting up 30-40-and 50 point playoff games against them.

GOAT.

[Megabox!]

Hmmm...



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Damn Wilt was amazing at leading his teams.....straight into an L. Essays packed with excuses

[LAZERUSS]

Damn Wilt was amazing at leading his teams.....straight into an L. Essays packed with excuses

I guess you are right...

Lebron was a true leader...

Two shots away, by TEAMMATES, from being "1-7."

While Wilt...

Two turnovers away, by TEAMMATES, from being "4-6."

Lebron the "leader."

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

Clutch offensive explosion that neither Jordan or Wade had in their Finals series.



Your statement is statistically false, since Jordan always scored a higher proportion of his team's 4th quarter points, even as an old man (so just imagine what these stats would look like in his prime):





..............PERCENTAGE OF TEAM PTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR


........................RS......RS 4th.... PO.....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <-- link nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2012... 34.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 33.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 34.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 30.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 33.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
LEBRON 2013... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 30.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 39.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
LEBRON 2016... 31.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 30.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 35.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 47.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)






Between MJ, Kobe, LeBron and Wade. The best perimeter stars of the modern eras post '85.

1) MJ '93
2) MJ '91
3) LeBron '16
4) MJ '92
5) Wade '06


MJ's 1992 will always get underrated because he was a 6'6", athletic Steph Curry, which made his dominance so great that it looked too easy - this serves to underrate his performance, even though no player has ever outplayed and dominated his chief rival on the perimeter like MJ did Drexler (and Magic before him).