Shaq wasn't able to win until Kobe entered his prime

[TommyGriffin]

:confusedshrug:

[TheWinningFam]

Prime kobe with that 15ppg on 42% shooting http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wow.png

[Screamin A Smit]

Prime Kobe didnt make the playoffs without Shaq



Thats worse, tbh :confusedshrug:

[bdreason]

Shaq was in the NBA Finals before Kobe was even in the league.

[TommyGriffin]

Prime kobe with that 15ppg on 42% shooting http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wow.png
21 years old in a tougher era of defense.

LeBron's first Finals he scored 22 points per game on 35% shooting while seeing the easier defensive rules (2006-2007) that did not allow hand-checking. He was 22.

In Kobe's age 22 Finals Performance he scored 25 points per game on 42% shooting. Note that this was also under the tougher era of defense that allowed more physical play in the perimeter. (2000-2001).

NBA changed defensive rules to curtail hand-checking and physical play on the perimeter in 2004. http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html

[TheWinningFam]

21 years old in a tougher era of defense.

LeBron's first Finals he scored 22 points per game on 35% shooting while seeing the easier defensive rules (2006-2007) that did not allow hand-checking. He was 22.

In Kobe's age 22 Finals Performance he scored 25 points per game on 42% shooting. Note that this was also under the tougher era of defense that allowed more physical play in the perimeter. (2000-2001).

NBA changed defensive rules to curtail hand-checking and physical play on the perimeter in 2004. http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html
Kobe scored 24 ppg on 41% shooting. and got bailed out by shaq's 35

Allen iverson 35 ppg on 40% in the same era
By kobetard logic
without shaq kobe loses that.

Therefore prime iverson> prime kobe

[TommyGriffin]

Kobe scored 24 ppg on 41% shooting. and got bailed out by shaq's 35

Allen iverson 35 ppg on 40% in the same era
By kobetard logic
without shaq kobe loses that.

Therefore prime iverson> prime kobe

Kobe was not in his prime during 2001, he was only 22 years old.

Prime Iverson > Young Kobe

Kobe was 22 during those Finals, Iverson was 25.

If you do research on what happens to players from age 22 to 25. They improve greatly.

[TheWinningFam]

Kobe was not in his prime during 2001, he was only 22 years old.

Prime Iverson > Young Kobe

Kobe was 22 during those Finals, Iverson was 25.

If you do research on what happens to players from age 22 to 25. They improve greatly.
You just said that shaq didn't win until kobe entered his prime.

So which one is it? They won in 2001, was he in his prime or not? if he wasn't than this whole thread is as suspected, retarded.

[JT123]

Prime kobe with that 15ppg on 42% shooting http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wow.png
It was actually 36% shooting. :(

[BedroomBully]

Prime kobe with that 15ppg on 42% shooting http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wow.png
Lol lol /Thread.

[TommyGriffin]

You just said that shaq didn't win until kobe entered his prime.

So which one is it? They won in 2001, was he in his prime or not? if he wasn't than this whole thread is as suspected, retarded.
It was the very beginning of his prime, not his peak. They are different things.

[BedroomBully]

You just said that shaq didn't win until kobe entered his prime.

So which one is it? They won in 2001, was he in his prime or not? if he wasn't than this whole thread is as suspected, retarded.
:roll: :roll:
How many piles of $hit are these Kobe fans going to take to the face before the realize their idol is 12th. 3>12. Deal with it

[BedroomBully]

It was the very beginning of his prime, not his peak. They are different things.
:facepalm :facepalm

[Lord P]

OP states that shaq wasn't able to win until Kobe entered his prime

Shaq won with Kobe shooting 15ppg on 36%

OP then argues that Kobe wasn't in his prime yet
:biggums:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

A troll topic for sure, but...


Kobe was not in his prime during 2001, he was only 22 years old.

Prime Iverson > Young Kobe

Kobe was 22 during those Finals, Iverson was 25.

If you do research on what happens to players from age 22 to 25. They improve greatly.


It was the very beginning of his prime, not his peak. They are different things.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/leowtf.gif

...is this the GOAT self ether?

[BedroomBully]

A troll topic for sure, but...





http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/leowtf.gif

...is this the GOAT self ether?
Lol these Kobe tards can't get any dumber. They keep giving me more ammunition to go after them.

[TommyGriffin]

It was a typo.

Kobe entered his prime at 22 years old, but didn't reach his peak until later.

[BedroomBully]

It was a typo.

Kobe entered his prime at 22 years old, but didn't reach his peak until later.
Who THE hell enters their peek at 22?

[knicksman]

Shaq is like bran. They have great stats but arent effective players in the playoffs. Thats why they havent won until they had a crunch time player to save their asses

[Screamin A Smit]

In the end, only losers respect knicksman

[SouBeachTalents]

Shaq is like bran. They have great stats but arent effective players in the playoffs. Thats why they havent won until they had a crunch time player to save their asses

3 FMVP's each, not effective players in the postseason though :oldlol:

[Smoke117]

Shaq is like bran. They have great stats but arent effective players in the playoffs. Thats why they havent won until they had a crunch time player to save their asses

:biggums: Jesus christ...I always think you can't get any ****ing stupider...but you always manage to out do yourself.

[knicksman]

3 FMVP's each, not effective players in the postseason though :oldlol:


Yeah by joining superteams. Lol theres a reason why only losers respect bran

[Bankaii]

"Shaq couldn't win until Kobe entered his prime"
"Kobe wasn't in his prime in 2001".

Kobetards are so dumb they destroy themselves now:roll:

[Dragonyeuw]

It was the very beginning of his prime, not his peak. They are different things.

Do you honestly think Kobe's performance was irreplaceable in 2000? Shaq was so dominant in the 20000 playoffs/finals that the Lakers got away with Kobe's 15ppg finals, the main bright spot being his game 4 when Shaq got fouled out. But there were 5 other games that series, and Shaq was flat-out transcendent.

[Prime_Shaq]

Shaq is like bran. They have great stats but arent effective players in the playoffs. Thats why they havent won until they had a crunch time player to save their asses
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[knicksman]

Do you honestly think Kobe's performance was irreplaceable in 2000? Shaq was so dominant in the 20000 playoffs/finals that the Lakers got away with Kobe's 15ppg finals, the main bright spot being his game 4 when Shaq got fouled out. But there were 5 other games that series, and Shaq was flat-out transcendent.

Only losers try hard against weak teams. Just look at bran and wilt trying so hard in the regular season. They knew they gonna lose so they want to fool people as many as possible

[Nilocon165]

:biggums: Jesus christ...I always think you can't get any ****ing stupider...but you always manage to out do yourself.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Annyong!]

No, Shaq wasn't able to win until Phil became the coach. Then Kobe entered his prime.

[Annyong!]

A troll topic for sure, but...





http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/leowtf.gif

...is this the GOAT self ether?
:oldlol:

[ralph_i_el]

Shaq beat MJ in the playoffs when Kobe was a child

[guy]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with Shaq becoming the greatest version of himself, which was a better player then Kobe ever was. :rolleyes:

This illogical argument is so stupid and it's incredible how long it's been going on. Just because a player doesn't win until he starts playing with a certain player, it does not mean there was no other way that player could've won.

[Cap'n Obvious]

Kobe was not in his prime during 2001
This contradicts your thread.

[Jasper]

They learned to some degree the riangle offense...

Nothing close to the Bulls Triangle offense.. though

[Prime_Shaq]

They learned to some degree the riangle offense...

Nothing close to the Bulls Triangle offense.. though
Lakers had an overall less skilled and smart team too, having the most dominant big man ever helped though.

[aj1987]

Wow! The resident jizz rag gets rekt on his alt as well.

[GimmeThat]

yes, this contradicts to the fact that Shaq won one after leaving the Lakers without Kobe

I guess if we're talking FMVP, then there's still no explanation why they couldn't win more than 3

[KnicksWolves]

A troll topic for sure, but...





http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/leowtf.gif

...is this the GOAT self ether?

:roll:

This should be stickied as an example of how NOT to make a thread. May legitimately be the most fun I've had watching an OP trying to backtrack from some stupid sh*t he said.

:roll:

[pauk]

21 years old in a tougher era of defense.

LeBron's first Finals he scored 22 points per game on 35% shooting while seeing the easier defensive rules (2006-2007) that did not allow hand-checking. He was 22.

In Kobe's age 22 Finals Performance he scored 25 points per game on 42% shooting. Note that this was also under the tougher era of defense that allowed more physical play in the perimeter. (2000-2001).

NBA changed defensive rules to curtail hand-checking and physical play on the perimeter in 2004. http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html

How can you not get the point? Why take shots at Lebron all of the sudden? WTF... He is not trying to take shots at Kobe, he is just telling you exactly how much Shaq needed Kobe especially that 1st Finals.. he literally didnt need Kobe whatsoever considering his low production / DNP (Kobe missed some game that Finals with injury) they still won...

How could you have needed somebody when that somebody didnt give you anything / wasnt even there occasionally and you still won... get it?

[TommyGriffin]

Prime does not equal peak.

Kobe entered his prime at age 22 and reached his peak at 30, then exited his prime at age 34.

[RRR3]

Even if we allow you to move your own goalposts, you're still full of shit.


"Shaq never won until Kobe was in his prime"

"Kobe wasn't in his prime until he turned 22"


Kobe was 21 in 2000 :hammerhead:

[TommyGriffin]

He was begging to enter his prime at age 21. He was further developed than most 21 year olds.