Is Kobe an All-Time Great Finals Performer?

[Screamin A Smit]

The answer is obviously not, but I'd like to see someone try and make a case for 12be

[SamuraiSWISH]

No. He's been subpar. His best was 2009. Everything else is inferior to the majority of Jordan, LeBron and even Wade's top two best Finals. It's because he's prone to settle for the jumper too much, and the east coast game is more physical.

[Smoke117]

No. He's been subpar. His best was 2009. Everything else is inferior to the majority of Jordan, LeBron and even Wade's top two best Finals. It's because he's prone to settle for the jumper too much, and the east coast game is more physical.

This. That Kobe wants to settle for the jumper is why Ray was able to do a decent job on him in 08...he doesn't fall for fakes and recovered well. A slasher like Wade absolutely savaged him though.

[Screamin A Smit]

No. He's been subpar. His best was 2009. Everything else is inferior to the majority of Jordan, LeBron and even Wade's top two best Finals. It's because he's prone to settle for the jumper too much, and the east coast game is more physical.

Good points


So should we take Kobe's scoring outburst from 2006-2007 with a grain of salt as those were against regular season warriors which isn't close to the physicality of NBA Finals games?

ie. Kobe's regular season scoring overrated his scoring capabilities as it never translated against elite competition? :confusedshrug:

[SamuraiSWISH]

No, you can't do that ... because it wreaks of agenda.

Kobe is about as skilled as it comes ball in hand from the SG position. The west has always been faster paced, and more finesse. Thus why he torched that conference constantly in the western finals. Spurs, Kings, Suns, Nuggets, it didn't matter.

So you can't throw shade at his regular season accomplishments scoring wise. It's just in the Finals when he faces the more physical defenses, in combination with his tendency to settle for contested jumpers that just bails already tough defenses out ... And he tends to perform poorly or at best average.

2009, and 2002 withstanding. His only good - very good Finals. He hasn't had a great one, or an all time great Finals for a reason.

Even with all his absurd skills, he doesn't attack the basket enough the way MJ, Wade, and LeBron just punished defenses from the inside - out.

[JT123]

No. He's been subpar. His best was 2009. Everything else is inferior to the majority of Jordan, LeBron and even Wade's top two best Finals. It's because he's prone to settle for the jumper too much, and the east coast game is more physical.
Big Kobe stan here, but you are right on the money with the bolded. While Kobe may be skilled, he is also SOFT.
As much as it pains me to admit, his career stats would be way lower had he played his entire career in the physical eastern conference. :(

[SamuraiSWISH]

Big Kobe stan here, but you are right on the money with the bolded. While Kobe may be skilled, he is also SOFT.
As much as it pains me to admit, his career stats would be way lower had he played his entire career in the physical eastern conference. :(
Nah it's just the better defenses are allowed to be physical in the playoffs and even more so in the Finals.

Refs swallow the whistle.

The east as a whole in the regular season is absurdly weak by comparison.

It would be easy to put up massive numbers, team win totals and advance through the playoffs against teams without superstars.

The West coast is built for fun, beautiful regular season basketball which gives the illusion of being better than it truly is ...

Playoffs and Finals especially is an entirely different animal. At times it's even close to throw back to the 90s.

That's why I rather face these current Warriors in the Finals when I can be physical and negate a softie like Curry. When in the regular season touch calls galore allow him to be indefensible.

As soon as the playoffs hit they matched their entire seasons loss record in a way smaller sample size of games. They were overrated.

That's why those 2008 and 2010 Celtics are light years more imposing. Their defense. Their length. Their physicality. Sure Warriors make you work more on the other end. But their defense was cupcake.

Kyrie and post 30 year old LeBron were shredding that weak shit.

Kobe has been a poor Finals performer, partly due to his mentality and poor physical ability to handle punishment or unwillingness to attack the basket.

But those KG / Tony Allen / Thibs defenses had to be more imposing for a true superstar like Kobe, Bron or Prime Wade to face than the current Warriors.

[IGOTGAME]

I think he just wears himself down too much in the earlier rounds. That has always been my issue with him, his body often couldnt stand what he demanded of it.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Hes a great finals performer but an elite WCF finals performer, probably the best WCFinals player of all time

He faced some serious defenses in the East. The pacers when he was really young, the orignal colluders in the Celtics, the prime pistons

All time great performances against the 76ers Magic and Nets though

[SouBeachTalents]

Hes a great finals performer but an elite WCF finals performer, probably the best WCFinals player of all time

He faced some serious defenses in the East. The pacers when he was really young, the orignal colluders in the Celtics, the prime pistons

All time great performances against the 76ers Magic and Nets though

:roll:

[LongLiveTheKing]

Nope, he only has one 40 point Finals game.

[FreezingTsmoove]

:roll:

25/8/6 isnt impressive? Dont forget the blowouts

[SouBeachTalents]

25/8/6 isnt impressive? Dont forget the blowouts

Sorry, 25/8/6 on 42% and being the 3rd best player in the series is not an "all time great performance"

[34-24 Footwork]

Sorry, 25/8/6 on 42% and being the 3rd best player in the series is not an "all time great performance"

You realize that Kobe saw triple teams that series, right? I don't expect you to understand what I'm saying because you weren't watching basketball that season. But people that watched that series know that him and Shaq were equally seen as the best players in the playoffs.

Keep bangin, doe.

[Smoke117]

Kobe stans. :facepalm

[FreezingTsmoove]

Sorry, 25/8/6 on 42% and being the 3rd best player in the series is not an "all time great performance"

Iverson was clearly not the 2nd best player in the series

[SamuraiSWISH]

Iverson was clearly not the 2nd best player in the series
Given what he was facing and going up against?

A team with those two superstars ... with no solid help? At only five foot eleven?

Uh yes he was. The stats tell us this as well.

With context? It's not even close. The context in the burden the small guy was having to carry by comparison makes him all the more impressive.

2001 Finals

1) Shaq 27.4 Gmsc
2) Iverson 20.5 Gmsc
3) Kobe 17.2 Gmsc

For his game 1 on the road heroics alone, he was better. And put a scare into LA in game 3 as well. Against a juggernaut that swept through the entire playoffs. That's damn impressive.

[KiiiiNG]

Sadly, no. He's not.

As much as I wish that wasn't the case the facts are clear and Kobe's production in the finals is rather poor given ATG standards

Even despite his lack of regular season awards AND his lack of individual finals success, the fact that he was carried to five championships puts him in good standing on the all-time list, where he is generally located somewhere between 12-15.

[JT123]

You realize that Kobe saw triple teams that series, right? I don't expect you to understand what I'm saying because you weren't watching basketball that season. But people that watched that series know that him and Shaq were equally seen as the best players in the playoffs.

Keep bangin, doe.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[34-24 Footwork]

Who honestly in this thread watched the 2000 and 2001 finals? Seriously.

:lol

[Screamin A Smit]

Who honestly in this thread watched the 2000 and 2001 finals? Seriously.

:lol

Yes I saw Kobe average 15 ppg while missing 63% of his shots in the 2000 finals.

Whats your point?

[FreezingTsmoove]

Yes I saw Kobe average 15 ppg while missing 63% of his shots in the 2000 finals.

Whats your point?

Did you watch him close out on the road when Shaq fouled out in Indiana?

[Timrock]

Kobe stans. :facepalm
you do realize that its actually the lebron stans. they are the ones that keep making the same threads over and over, to prove the kobe is overrated. If he is, why do they keep trying to discuss it. Kobe stans are just gonna remain quiet, until someone creates a stupid thread, like this one.

[crisoner]

Kobe stans. :facepalm

Kobe haters :facepalm

[Smoke117]

Kobe haters :facepalm

Yeah...because saying Kobe had an all-time great finals in 2001 is reasonable. :facepalm

[FreezingTsmoove]

Yeah...because saying Kobe had an all-time great finals in 2001 is reasonable. :facepalm

25/8/6 in a backdoor sweep is all time great

I dont know Kawhi or Tim Duncans numbers in 2014 but I would say both of them had an all time great finals series because of the beatdown they put on the Heat

Because at the end of the day its all about


Winning

[Mr Feeny]

25/8/6 in a backdoor sweep is all time great

I dont know Kawhi or Tim Duncans numbers in 2014 but I would say both of them had an all time great finals series because of the beatdown they put on the Heat

Because at the end of the day its all about


Winning25 ppg on 41%fg on single coverage :eek:
My God I forgot how horrible kobrick was in the 2001 finals:roll:

[Big164]

5/7 > 3/7

[SouBeachTalents]

5/7 > 3/7

3/7 > 2/6

[Mr Feeny]

3/7 > 2/6

Also 27 ppg in finals 》 18 ppg in finals
3 fmvps 》 1 fmvp
28 ppg in playoffs 》 22 ppg in playoffs

[ArbitraryWater]

I think he just wears himself down too much in the earlier rounds. That has always been my issue with him, his body often couldnt stand what he demanded of it.

Nothing about being worn down, just not that good on the highest stage. Face it.

[Cold soul]

Kobe has been good Finals performer but nothing legendary or all-time great he was great in 09 against the Magic his best NBA Finals performance overall.

[jstern]

Honestly I think it's just his Adrenalin. He's a human who gets too hyped up in the Finals because it's something extremely important to him. That's where Jordan is not human like, in controlling his body chemistry. I always use the example of the final minutes of one the games against the Celtics in 2010. The Lakers were losing, and Kobe, as skilled as he is gets the ball from like 3 feet behind the the 3 point line and instead of creating a better shot, he just shot it. Right then and there I noticed that Adrenalin difference between him and Jordan. Kobe is not scared, but he's amped up. Maybe a little scared. Jordan would have faked this way, gone that way, all in rhythm and calm.

[BedroomBully]

No. Just look at the numbers. He tends to fade away when the stage gets bigger.

[knicksman]

You know youre a loser if youre contented with colluded rings. Its like settling for whores coz you cant get anything decent:lol

[Big164]

3/7 > 2/6
50.4 over an 82 game season sh.ts on every NBA ring ever won. It's just Boss.

But in the case of Kobe.Lebron: 5/7 > 3/7

[LAZERUSS]

3/7 > 2/6

Wilt >>>> LeChoke.

[Screamin A Smit]

Wilt >>>> LeChoke.


Wait.. are you trying to argue LeBron was a bigger choker than Wilt?

:roll: :roll: :roll:





27-28-27 vs 30-22-18 hmmm....


One looks consistent, the other

[SwayDizzle]

Big Kobe stan here, but you are right on the money with the bolded. While Kobe may be skilled, he is also SOFT.
As much as it pains me to admit, his career stats would be way lower had he played his entire career in the physical eastern conference. :(
So now kobe's soft too? Whats next? He wasnt black?

[Screamin A Smit]

So now kobe's soft too? Whats next? He wasnt black?


Nope :(

http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww73/blikestro/asiankobe.jpg

[Nilocon165]

Kobe http://i65.tinypic.com/nq47bl.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

Wait.. are you trying to argue LeBron was a bigger choker than Wilt?

:roll: :roll: :roll:





27-28-27 vs 30-22-18 hmmm....


One looks consistent, the other

Hmmm...

Wilt won two FMVPs (yes he would have won a unanimous FMVP in '67,... and in a series in which an opposing player put up a brick-laying 41 ppg , .408 series...ala LeChoke in the '15 Finals with his 36 ppg on a .398 FG%)...with series' of 18-29-7 .560, and 19-23- .600.

Oh, and find me a playoff series in which Lebron scored 12 ppg, and accomplished this...(and against a Top-5 GOAT BTW)...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain

[QUOTE]In the post-season, the Lakers swept the Chicago Bulls,[92] then went on to face the Milwaukee Bucks of young superstar center and regular-season MVP Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (formerly Lew Alcindor). The matchup between Chamberlain and Abdul-Jabbar was hailed by LIFE magazine as the greatest matchup in all of sports. Chamberlain would help lead the Lakers past Abdul-Jabbar and the Bucks in six games.[92] Particularly, Chamberlain was lauded for his performance in Game 6, which the Lakers won 104

[LAZERUSS]

And Lebron's '07 and '11 Finals, are without question, the two worst ever by a Top-10 player in his prime.

[Screamin A Smit]

And Lebron's '07 and '11 Finals, are without question, the two worst ever by a Top-10 player in his prime.

A 22 year old LeBron was prime??


Are you off your meds, grandpa? :oldlol: :banana:

[LAZERUSS]

A 22 year old LeBron was prime??


Are you off your meds, grandpa? :oldlol: :banana:

Yes...been in the league for four years. PRIME, just like a 22 year old Kobe was in his PRIME. Notice, I didn't say peak, however.

That would have been a 2011 LeChoke. 26 years old, and coming off of a 30 ppg season, and a 29 ppg playoff run.

[Screamin A Smit]

I guess Kobe and Wilt have some things in common





Wilt Chamberlain's choking resume


1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1963 Regular season
Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

1960 Division Finals
After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 35-65 (53.8%)

[LAZERUSS]

Here we go...


59-60: Single-handedly leads a last place roster from the year before in the first round of the playoffs with a 39-23 series, culminated by a clinching 53-22 performance. Takes that same vastly overmatched roster to a game six, two point loss against a 59-16 team, with a 31-27 series, including a 50-35 must win game five.

'60-61. Puts up a 37-23 series, while his teammates collectively shoot .332.

61-62 EDF's. Wilt single-handedly carries essentially the same last place roster he joined in his rookie season, and past Syracuse in the first round with a 37 ppg 23 rpg series, and with a must-win and clinching game five 56-35-12 triple double performance. His badly overmatched teammates lose a game seven to a HOF-laden 60-20 Celtic team by two points. And Wilt averaged 34 ppg and 26 rpg in the series, badly outscoring, and outshooting Russell, and also outrebounding him.

63-64 Finals. After taking what had been a 31-49 team to a 48-32 record, and with a seven game series average of 39 ppg, 23 rpg, and on a .559 FG%, he then takes that roster to the Finals, where they lose to a Celtic team that has an 8-2 edge in HOFers, 4-1. BUT, the last two games are decided in the waning seconds. Oh, and Chamberlain outscores Russell, per game, 29.2 ppg to 11.2 ppg; outrebounds Russell, per game, 27.8 rpg to 25.2 rpg; and outshoots Russell in the series, .517 to .386.

64-65 EDF's. Gotta love this one. Chamberlain single-handedly takes a 40-40 team, to a game seven, one point loss, and in that game seven, puts up 30 points, on 12-15 FG/FGA, with 32 rebounds. Oh, and that series, all he did was average 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, and shot .555 from the field. His His .555 FG% comes in a series in which the two teams collectively shot .413 from the floor...or a full 14 percentage points higher than the series average. Also had a .575 TS%. Crushed Russell by the largest margin any GOAT candidate has ever received.

65-66. EDF's. Yep, Wilt shot 8-25 from the line in that clinching game five loss, and could only score 46 points, on 19-34 shooting, with 34 rebounds. In the series, he averaged 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, and shot .509 (badly outplaying Russell in all three categories), and how about his teammates? They collectively shot .352 from the field in that series.

66-67. Puts up a 28-27-11 .617 first round. Then destroys Russell and his eight-time defending, and 60-21 Celtics, with a 22-32-10 .556 series (Russell puts up an 11-23-7 .358 Finals BTW.). Stomps a peak Thurmond in the Finals...outscoring him in five of the six H2H's, outrebounding him in five of the six H2H's, outassisting him in five of the six H2H's, and outshooting him from the floor in every game (and by a .560 to .343 margin.)

67-68 EDF's. READ Cherry's account on THAT series please. Chamberlain was playing with an assortment of injuries, including one that was similar to what Willis Reed suffered in the '70 Finals (and was basically a statue after that), and was NOTICEABLY LIMPING throughout the series. That Sixer team was also without HOFer Cunningham the entire series, and still had a 3-1 seriees lead. Then, in game five, (and in a game in which a hobbled Chamberlain put up a 28-30 performance) they lost TWO more starters to injury. They would go on to lose a game seven, by four points. And, BTW, Chamberlain only TOUCHED the damned ball SEVEN times in the entire second half, and only TWICE in the 4th quarter (and those came on offensive rebounds.) He only scored 14 points, but had 34 rebounds, (Russell put up a 12-26 game), and for the series, the "choker" put up a 22-25 .487 series.

Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...


68-69 Finals. I don't have the time to detail just how horribly coached that team was. But, in any case, in that game seven, he outscored Russell, 18-6; he outrebounded Russell, 27-21; and he outshot Russell from the field, 7-8 to 2-7, all while recording 10 blocked shots... oh and his incompetent coach left him on the bench in the last five minutes of a two point loss. It was his worst Finals, and yet he still easily outplayed Russell. Incidently, take Wilt and Russell's FG/FGAs out of that game seven, and Russell's teammates outshot Wilt's by a .477 to .360 margin...again, in a two point loss.

69-70. If you are going to blame Wilt for choking away this series, then I will ad 88-89 to Bird's choking resume. Why? Because, while Bird didn't play in his postseason with an injury, Chamberlain was only four months removed from major knee surgery. Not only that, he and West carried a heavy-underdog to a game seven against the heavily-favored Knicks (who had routed KAJ's 56-26 Bucks, 4-1 in the ECF's.) Oh and all Chamberlain could do in that series was put up the ONLY 20-20 .600 Finals in NBA HISTORY (23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, and on a .625 FG%.) Find me a series like that from your boy Bird. Much less in one in which he had no business playing.

72-73 Finals. After Chamberlain crushed Thurmond and his Warriors in the WCF's (the same Thurmond and Warriors team that wiped out Kareem and his 60-22 Bucks in the previous round) he them to the Finals, and they lost four close games, all with an injured West. Oh, and in Wilt's very last game of his career, he scored 23 points, on 9-16 shooting, and with 21 rebounds.

THAT was Chamberlain, "the Choker."


Wilt in his 23 must win playoff games...

31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in that same span.)

In his 37 must win and series clinching games...

29.5 ppg, 26.1 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .546 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in that same span.)

You want a REAL CHOKER...

Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...


Lebron in the '07 Finals. In a Finals in which he averaged 6 ppg less than his regular season ppg (using the same rounding methods used against Wilt)...and on a .356 FG%...in a season in which he shot .476.

Oh, and then in the clinching (and sweeping) game four one point loss...LeChoke shot 10-30 from the field, and 2-6 from the line.


How about the '11 Finals? Scored TEN PPG less than his regular season average (again, using the "Wilt" method of rounding.) Watched passively the entire series while a declining Wade couldn't cut the mustard/ Hell, Wade even yelled at the timid one in a critical game of the series. Then this physical specimen was SHUT DOWN by the 5-10 JJ Barea in the most critical moments of the series, as well.

How about the '13 Finals. Was a bystander in game six until the 4th quarter. Then comitted numerous turnovers in the waning minutes, and with his team down 3, he launched a wild trey that looked like a drunken Stevie Wonder throwing a bowling ball in a wind-tunnel. Fortunately for LeChoke...Ray Allen hit the most critical shot of the series...or LeFlop would have been "1-4."

How about the '15 Finals. In a season in which he shot .488...he couldn't do ANYTHING against the one-on-one defense of a role player off the Warrior bench, and ended up shooting .398. In his biggest game of the series, a winnable game six...he shot-jacked his way to 13-33 shooting. Then he meekly handed the FMVP to that same bench-player. An NBA first...two MVPs, in their primes...watching as a role player held up the FMVP trophy.

Even the '16 Finals. In the last four minutes of game seven...and as always...LeChoke came up empty. 0-4 from the floor, and just awful. And again, a TEAMMATE stepped up...and Kyrie hit the series winning shot.


Oh, and we can't forget Lebron QUITTING on his team in the 2010 playoffs, and even his own ownder acknowledged that LeChoke quit on his team in the 2009 playoffs.

Court Jester's most memorable moment oh his choking playoff career...being carted off after basically mailing in the series in game one of the '14 Finals...in the most one-sided beatdown ever administered in NBA Finals history...with...yep...MENSTRUAL CRAMPS.

[Mr Feeny]

Wilt was a 30 ppg scorer in the regular season,22 ppg on the playoffs and 18 ppg on the finals.

Make no mistake about it OP, he and Kobe are the biggest chokers of all time :lebronamazed::applause:

[Mr Feeny]

We have a Kobe and Wilt stan derailing this thread by claiming that Lebron "quit" in the 2009 playoffs against the magic as he averaged 39 ppg, 8.5 apg, 8.5 rpg on 48%fg against them. His idol Kobe went on to only average 32 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg on 43%fg against the very same Magic team in the next round :lebronamazed:

[brownmamba00]

the Nets, Magic and Boston finals were all good to great performances.

->25/8/6 vs AI-Philly...and if it wasn't for Gaylen Rose' dirty play in the first game he'd have better numbers in '00 vs Reggie Miller...still had his signature moment tho playing on a bad ankle.

'08 stings the most. That ring would hold a lot of weight.

[Mr Feeny]

the Nets, Magic and Boston finals were all good to great performances.

->25/8/6 vs AI-Philly...and if it wasn't for Gaylen Rose' dirty play in the first game he'd have better numbers in '00 vs Reggie Miller...still had his signature moment tho playing on a bad ankle.

'08 stings the most. That ring would hold a lot of weight.

Both Boston series were atrocious. Magic series was disappointing considering how much better lethick played against the same team a round earlier.
Sixers, horrible.
2000: one of the worst Finals ever. 15 ppg on 36% shooting.

Kobe really was awful in finals, it seems :lebronamazed:

[Big164]

5/7 > 3/7

[SouBeachTalents]

5/7 > 3/7

3/7 > 2/6

[brownmamba00]

Both Boston series were atrocious. Magic series was disappointing considering how much better lethick played against the same team a round earlier.
Sixers, horrible.
2000: one of the worst Finals ever. 15 ppg on 36% shooting.

Kobe really was awful in finals, it seems :lebronamazed:
LeSmall in '11...17 ppg 60% FT

1-2 vs Spurs...thanks to Ray Allen. 20 ppg +5 TOs in 07.

All time Turnovers leader in the Playoffs and Finals

LeThin

[SouBeachTalents]

LeSmall in '11...17 ppg 60% FT

1-2 vs Spurs...thanks to Ray Allen. 20 ppg +5 TOs in 07.

All time Turnovers leader in the Playoffs and Finals

LeThin

Finals stats

LeBron: 27/10/7 on 46%
Kobe: 25/6/5 on 41%

LeBron averages .5 more TO's per game