Jordan's 6 best Finals stats vs LeBrons 6 best Finals stats

[Screamin A Smit]

LeBron - 29/11/7



Jordan - 33/6/6



Which is better? :confusedshrug:

[GrapeApe]

Probably Jordan, but I'd need the shooting % to get a more accurate representation.

[Annyong!]

Jordan was able to close out before game 7.

[Screamin A Smit]

Probably Jordan, but I'd need the shooting % to get a more accurate representation.

Its the same FG%, but LeBrons TS% is higher since he took more 3's

[tpols]

bran stans trying to throw a blanket over 2011 lmao ...

[TheWinningFam]

bran stans trying to throw a blanket over 2011 lmao ...
There's no blanket

Lebron was the third option in 2011, as evidenced by the drop in stats and being third in usage during the finals, as well as spolestra clearly saying he was the third option.

[Annyong!]

There's no blanket

Lebron was the third option in 2011, as evidenced by the drop in stats and being third in usage during the finals, as well as spolestra clearly saying he was the third option.
lol, peak LeBron relegated to 3rd option. What a fail.

[SouBeachTalents]

There's no blanket

Lebron was the third option in 2011, as evidenced by the drop in stats and being third in usage during the finals, as well as spolestra clearly saying he was the third option.

Agreed. Any coach in history would strategically have the 2x MVP & career 27 ppg scorer be relegated to 3rd option in the Finals behind the likes of Chris fuccing Bosh :oldlol:

[TheWinningFam]

Agreed. Any coach in history would strategically have the 2x MVP & career 27 ppg scorer be relegated to 3rd option in the Finals behind the likes of Chris fuccing Bosh :oldlol:
:confusedshrug: spolestra himself said they didn't know they had the best player in the world, also when taking into context of how love and bosh's numbers dropped when they went from first to third options the same type of drop happened for bron

[Screamin A Smit]

:confusedshrug: spolestra himself said they didn't know they had the best player in the world, also when taking into context of how love and bosh's numbers dropped when they went from first to third options the same type of drop happened for bron

Good point, besides Wade wanted to be the 1st option, and since Wade and LeBron play similar roles that automatically means LeBron is the 3rd option.



Think about it, if Wade is the 1st option, LeBron automatically can't be the 2nd option since their games are too similar. So it makes sense that Bosh was the second option :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

imagine if jordan fell to third option behind horace grant at the peak of his career ... you guys convinced me .. think ima have to bump bran down a few spots for that.

[Smoke117]

This idiot made this exact same thread yesterday

[Dragonyeuw]

:confusedshrug: spolestra himself said they didn't know they had the best player in the world, also when taking into context of how love and bosh's numbers dropped when they went from first to third options the same type of drop happened for bron

Ban-able level of stupidity here.

[LostCause]

LeBron - 29/11/7



Jordan - 33/6/6



Which is better? :confusedshrug:

Your stats are misleading. Here are the actual stats (Lebron only has 1 more series played than Jordan and it was a sweep so not sure why you arbitrarily left it off anyway). I won't round anything, to illustrate how some of your stats are being improperly rounded

Jordan - 33.6 ppg, 6.02rpg, 5.97apg, 2.85topg, 2.09 A/TO .481 FG%, .359 3-PT%
Lebron - 26.9 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 7.22apg, 3.87topg, 1.86 A/TO, .454 FG%, .336 3-PT%

Percentage Totals
Jordan - 438/911 FG, 41/114 3-PT
Lebron - 405/891 FG, 68/202 3-PT

So looking at these numbers, Bron only has an advantage in rebounding. His assists advantage is misleading because he averages more turnovers as well as has a worse assists-to-turnover ratio

All of these numbers were calculated using the totals provided on Basketball-Reference. So if there's any doubts to my work, I can expand to include ALL the totals so they can be verified

[Screamin A Smit]

Your stats are misleading. Here are the actual stats (Lebron only has 1 more series played than Jordan and it was a sweep so not sure why you arbitrarily left it off anyway). I won't round anything, to illustrate how some of your stats are being improperly rounded

Jordan - 33.6 ppg, 6.02rpg, 5.97apg, 2.85topg, 2.09 A/TO .481 FG%, .359 3-PT%
Lebron - 26.9 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 7.22apg, 3.87topg, 1.86 A/TO, .454 FG%, .336 3-PT%

Percentage Totals
Jordan - 438/911 FG, 41/114 3-PT
Lebron - 405/891 FG, 68/202 3-PT

So looking at these numbers, Bron only has an advantage in rebounding. His assists advantage is misleading because he averages more turnovers as well as has a worse assists-to-turnover ratio

All of these numbers were calculated using the totals provided on Basketball-Reference. So if there's any doubts to my work, I can expand to include ALL the totals so they can be verified


So you completely go on a tangent and avoid the thread title.




You truly are a Lost Cause...

[LostCause]

So you completely go on a tangent and avoid the thread title.




You truly are a Lost Cause...

i just presented accurate information

Unlike you I don't need to misrepresent information to protect or enhance another man's "legacy". Just telling it how it is

Hopefully, you grow out of that eventually

[Screamin A Smit]

i just presented accurate information

Unlike you I don't need to misrepresent information to protect or enhance another man's "legacy". Just telling it how it is

Hopefully, you grow out of that eventually

6 Finals vs. 6 Finals


Who had the better stats?


Thats a purely objective question, don't get defensive cause you're incapable of answering a question.:confusedshrug:

[LostCause]

6 Finals vs. 6 Finals


Who had the better stats?


Thats a purely objective question, don't get defensive cause you're incapable of answering a question.:confusedshrug:

You keep trying to deflect the fact that you're losing so I'll go ahead and use your standards of only using 6 Finals for both. Removing Bron's 07, he has this statline:

27.52 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 7.27apg, 3.66topg, 1.98 A/TO, .465 FG%, .351 3-PT%

Still Jordans is better
Jordan - 33.6 ppg, 6.02rpg, 5.97apg, 2.85topg, 2.09 A/TO .481 FG%, .359 3-PT%

Now what?

[ISHGoat]

You keep trying to deflect the fact that you're losing so I'll go ahead and use your standards of only using 6 Finals for both. Removing Bron's 07, he has this statline:

27.52 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 7.27apg, 3.66topg, 1.98 A/TO, .465 FG%, .351 3-PT%

Still Jordans is better
Jordan - 33.6 ppg, 6.02rpg, 5.97apg, 2.85topg, 2.09 A/TO .481 FG%, .359 3-PT%

Now what?

MJ played in a weak and fast paced era.

[LostCause]

MJ played in a weak and fast paced era.

:roll:

But wait:


6 Finals vs. 6 Finals


Who had the better stats?


Thats a purely objective question, don't get defensive cause you're incapable of answering a question

Dude wanted me to compare the 6 Finals and nothing else, if yal wanna take the argument beyond that we can definitely do that, but let's not be hypocritical about it

So which is it?

[ClipperRevival]

There's no blanket

Lebron was the third option in 2011, as evidenced by the drop in stats and being third in usage during the finals, as well as spolestra clearly saying he was the third option.

Jesus Christ.

Are LeBron fans THIS retarded?

[LostCause]

Jesus Christ.

Are LeBron fans THIS retarded?

Some are

SouBeach is one of the rare good ones though. Aj, Feeny etc I enjoy too when they aren't trolling

[SamuraiSWISH]

First if all you already made this thread.

Second of all why not just include all their finals? You're deliberately leaving off LeBron'so 2 horrific performances yet leaving Jordan's worst outing on his averages.

Third of all ... I'm still going for 33/6/6/3 ... 6 extra points per game is way more important. As are the 3 steals. Then some meaningless rebounds or one extra assist.

The proof is in the pudding too. Those stats yielded 6 rings out of 6 tries and 6 Finals MVPs. No losses.

[Cali Syndicate]

Of these finals, how many players at the opposing position won fmvp? This would be important in answering the question.

[Screamin A Smit]

First if all you already made this thread.

Second of all why not just include all their finals? You're deliberately leaving off LeBron'so 2 horrific performances yet leaving Jordan's worst outing on his averages.

Third of all ... I'm still going for 33/6/6/3 ... 6 extra points per game is way more important. As are the 3 steals. Then some meaningless rebounds or one extra assist.

The proof is in the pudding too. Those stats yielded 6 rings out of 6 tries and 6 Finals MVPs. No losses.

LOL I can't believe you're complaining


I said Jordan's 6 best vs LeBron's 6 best, that seems fair, no? :confusedshrug:


AND WHICH 2 FINALS AM I EXLUDING FOR LEBRON? You obviously cant do math.


This is a fair comparison

[edpsy77]

LeBron - 29/11/7



Jordan - 33/6/6



Which is better? :confusedshrug:
Jordan is a more efficient shooter and can rely more on making buckets when there is 10 or less seconds remaining in regulation. No one claims there were a series of games where he failed to deliver in big moments in The Finals. He did not have a meltdown like Lebron had in 2011 vs Dallas.

[hold this L]

There's no blanket

Lebron was the third option in 2011, as evidenced by the drop in stats and being third in usage during the finals, as well as spolestra clearly saying he was the third option.
Is this the excuse now?

:yaohappy:

[RRR3]

Stop making these comparisons, LeBron isn't going to ever win against Jordan for ****'s sake. Be happy with how amazing LeBron is, there's always someone better (in this case, MJ).

[egokiller]

6 Finals vs. 6 Finals


Who had the better stats?


Thats a purely objective question, don't get defensive cause you're incapable of answering a question.:confusedshrug:

Your argument is worthless because you are comparing 6 finals series to 6 finals series which is not apples to apples because MJ never allowed a game 7. Therefore, without MJ having an extra game to raise his averages, you can't compare it to a guy that had that extra game 7 opportunity. This thread is a fail.

[GrapeApe]

Good point, besides Wade wanted to be the 1st option, and since Wade and LeBron play similar roles that automatically means LeBron is the 3rd option.



Think about it, if Wade is the 1st option, LeBron automatically can't be the 2nd option since their games are too similar. So it makes sense that Bosh was the second option :confusedshrug:

One of the most nonsensical posts I've ever read.

2011 season stats:

Lebron: 27 ppg
Wade: 26 ppg
Bosh: 19 ppg

Who was the third option? By your logic it had to be either Lebron or Wade.

Wade and Bosh put up nearly those identical numbers in the finals. The only player whose numbers dramatically changed was Lebron. In the Boston series, Wade led the Heat in scoring, but Lebron still played great. In fact they played great together for the majority of the season.

There was no role change for anyone in the finals. Everything was the same as it was for the entire season.

[Odinn]

We include Jordan's last 3 finals when Jordan was older than current LeBron already but we also avoid 2011 Finals, so it can work well enough for LeBron?


OK, how does this sound?

Jordan's combined finals stats of 1991-1992-1993;
36.3 ppg / 6.6 rpg / 7.9 apg / 2.0 spg / 0.8 bpg / 3.4 tpg on .526 fg .805 ft .603 ts // 35.7 eff per game & 28.2 GmSc per game

LeBrons's combined finals stats of 2012-2013-2016;
27.8 ppg / 10.8 rpg / 7.8 apg / 2.2 spg / 1.3 bpg / 3.6 tpg on .472 fg .781 ft .572 ts // 33.1 eff per game & 24.3 GmSc per game

Who's the one with better statline?

[egokiller]

OP is getting destroyed.

[SouBeachTalents]

Your argument is worthless because you are comparing 6 finals series to 6 finals series which is not apples to apples because MJ never allowed a game 7. Therefore, without MJ having an extra game to raise his averages, you can't compare it to a guy that had that extra game 7 opportunity. This thread is a fail.

Ask Kobe & Curry how that opportunity worked out for their series averages

[egokiller]

Ask Kobe & Curry how that opportunity worked out for their series averages

Nice attempt at trying to deflect, but your statement has nothing to do with comparing MJ's finals to Lebron's. Lebron played more finals games due to letting games go to a game 7 in beta fashion. If MJ was able to even allow a game 7, his averages would be even higher.

OP's entire argument is pointless.

[ClipperRevival]

We include Jordan's last 3 finals when Jordan was older than current LeBron already but we also avoid 2011 Finals, so it can work well enough for LeBron?


OK, how does this sound?

Jordan's combined finals stats of 1991-1992-1993;
36.3 ppg / 6.6 rpg / 7.9 apg / 2.0 spg / 0.8 bpg / 3.4 tpg on .526 fg .805 ft .603 ts // 35.7 eff per game & 28.2 GmSc per game

LeBrons's combined finals stats of 2012-2013-2016;
27.8 ppg / 10.8 rpg / 7.8 apg / 2.2 spg / 1.3 bpg / 3.6 tpg on .472 fg .781 ft .572 ts // 33.1 eff per game & 24.3 GmSc per game

Who's the one with better statline?

Damn. Don't do em like that.

[3ball]

.
Jordan's first 3 rings required 25-33% more scoring than Lebron's 3 rings, while still getting equal or greater assists - so the only category where Lebron leads is defensive rebounds:




PLAYOFFS PER GAME THRU 31 YEARS OLD



Jordan:. 34.7 ppg.. 6.7 rpg.. 6.6 apg.. 2.3 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ortg.. 29.6 PER
Lebron:. 28.0 ppg.. 8.8 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 1.8 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 47.8 fg.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ortg.. 27.7 PER




PLAYOFFS PER 100 POSSESSIONS THRU 31 YEARS OLD



Jordan:I 43.9 pts..N 8.5 reb.. 8.4 ast.. 4.2 tov.. 2.9 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ortg.. 29.6 PER
Lebron:. 36.4 pts.. 11.5 reb.. 8.8 ast.. 4.6 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.8 fg.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ortg.. 27.7 PER




FINALS PER GAME THRU 31 YEARS OLD:



Jordan Finals:. 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 2.7 tov.. 2.0 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 52.6 fg
Lebron Finals:. 27.0 ppg.. 9.9 rpg.. 7.2 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 45.4 fg




How could Lebron have a weaker supporting cast when Jordan was required to score 30% more for his rings with equal assists?... :confusedshrug:
.

[SouBeachTalents]

.
Jordan's first 3 rings required 25-33% more scoring than Lebron's 3 rings, while still getting equal or greater assists - so the only category where Lebron leads is defensive rebounds:




PLAYOFFS PER GAME THRU 31 YEARS OLD



Jordan:. 34.7 ppg.. 6.7 rpg.. 6.6 apg.. 2.3 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ortg.. 29.6 PER
Lebron:. 28.0 ppg.. 8.8 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 1.8 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 47.8 fg.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ortg.. 27.7 PER




PLAYOFFS PER 100 POSSESSIONS THRU 31 YEARS OLD



Jordan:I 43.9 pts..N 8.5 reb.. 8.4 ast.. 4.2 tov.. 2.9 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ortg.. 29.6 PER
Lebron:. 36.4 pts.. 11.5 reb.. 8.8 ast.. 4.6 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.8 fg.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ortg.. 27.7 PER




FINALS PER GAME THRU 31 YEARS OLD:



Jordan Finals:. 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 2.7 tov.. 2.0 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 52.6 fg
Lebron Finals:. 27.0 ppg.. 9.9 rpg.. 7.2 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 45.4 fg




How could any talk of Lebron having a weaker supporting cast exist when Jordan was required to score 30% more for his rings with equal assists?... :confusedshrug:

Jordan never did this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClYUvAdUYAAiRj9.jpg

Nor did he ever beat a 73 win team

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan's last 3 finals when Jordan was older than current LeBron already but we also avoid 2011 Finals, so it can work well enough for LeBron?


OK, how does this sound?

Jordan's combined finals stats of 1991-1992-1993;
36.3 ppg / 6.6 rpg / 7.9 apg / 2.0 spg / 0.8 bpg / 3.4 tpg on .526 fg .805 ft .603 ts // 35.7 eff per game & 28.2 GmSc per game

LeBrons's combined finals stats of 2012-2013-2016;
27.8 ppg / 10.8 rpg / 7.8 apg / 2.2 spg / 1.3 bpg / 3.6 tpg on .472 fg .781 ft .572 ts // 33.1 eff per game & 24.3 GmSc per game

Who's the one with better statline?
36 ppg 7 rpg 8 apg 2 spg

vs

28 ppg 11 rpg 8 apg 2 spg

Not even a contest, the other numbers are a wash.

8 points per game >>> 4 rebounds per game

That is a whole nother stratosphere or two of scoring ability by comparison. Literally comparing a 20 ppg scorer to a 30 ppg scorer type quality difference.

And here goes SouBeachTalent turning back into full retard LeBron stan mode. First of all the 73 wins was inflated in one of the worst regular seasons ever. Second of all they clearly were overrated given their playoff struggles. And they weren't playing like they were in the regular season due to a slumping Curry.

Oh, and LeBron openly campaigning to have one of Golden State's three best players suspended for a game.

[3ball]

8 points per game >>> 4 rebounds per game

That a whole nother stratosphere or two of scoring ability by comparison. Literally comparing a 20 ppg scorer to a 30 ppg scorer type quality difference.



And Jordan was far more clutch in the 4th, even as an old man:





..............PERCENTAGE OF TEAM PTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR


........................RS......RS 4th.... PO.....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <---- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2012... 34.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 33.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 34.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 30.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 33.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
LEBRON 2013... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 30.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 39.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
LEBRON 2016... 31.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 30.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 35.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 47.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)



Ultimately, teams can win with less rebounds or assists - but never less points - so scoring is the most important category

And since #1 options control the scoring and flow more than anyone else, MJ's scoring and efficiency edge is more important than Lebron's replaceable defensive rebounds against small ball lineups, or 1 assist edge achieved via Westbrook-like turnovers and time (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&PORound=4) of possession.

[Screamin A Smit]

36 ppg 7 rpg 8 apg 2 spg

vs

28 ppg 11 rpg 8 apg 2 spg

Not even a contest, the other numbers are a wash.

8 points per game >>> 4 rebounds per game

That a whole nother stratosphere or two of scoring ability by comparison. Literally comparing a 20 ppg scorer to a 30 ppg scorer type quality difference.

And here goes SouBeachTalent turning back into full retard LeBron stan mode. First of all the 73 wins was inflated in one of the worst regular seasons ever. Second of all they clearly were overrated given their playoff struggles. And they weren't playing like they were in the regular season due to a slumping Curry.

Oh, and LeBron openly campaigning to have one of Golden State's three best players suspended for a game.



So you're cherry picking Jordans 3 best Finals, and comparing it to a random number of LeBrons finals ?? :roll:






Your posts reek of desperation. Your blind fanboyism for Jordan has totally mindf*cked you






You refuse to think logically, force yourself to conduct mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise, and basically cant think of anything but having to say Jordan > LeBron, even when the facts say otherwise :oldlol:





But then again, I'm talking about a dude that goes as far as defending Jordans little d*ck just to protect his idol from criticism :lol