Both LeBron and Jordan had 0 all-star teammates in 2016 and 1987 respectively

[Screamin A Smit]

Therefore they both had the SAME level of help from their supporting cast



The results?


LeBron - Won championship while beating a 73 win team


Jordan - Swept in the 1st round :lebronamazed:






















The only logical conclusion to LeBron doing FAR better than Jordan, with the same teammates, is if LeBron is also FAR better than Jordan


Makes sense?

[TheWinningFam]

Think about it, Kyrie was leading the cavs to the first pick in the draft every season, lebron comes back and they go from #1 pick to NBA champion in 2 seasons. and it would have been 1 had they not been riddled with injuries :lebronamazed:
Goat impact!

[3ball]

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Jordan won without any all-stars in 1991, whereas Lebron has never won without at least 2 all-stars, current or former

Heck, Lebron's THIRD option was a 10-time all-star (Bosh) - that's more than any 3rd option ever..

And Love was 2nd Team All-NBA in 2014 before joining Lebron.. So Lebron's 3rd options are among the best of all time.. Lebron can only win with 2 other stars, whereas Jordan 3-peated with just 1 star.

[SouBeachTalents]

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Jordan won without any all-stars in 1991, whereas Lebron has never won without at least 2 all-stars, current or former

Heck, Lebron's THIRD option was a 10-time all-star (Bosh) - that's more than any 3rd option ever..

And Love was 2nd Team All-NBA in 2014 before joining Lebron.. So Lebron's 3rd options are among the best of all time.. Lebron can only win with 2 other stars, whereas Jordan 3-peated with just 1 star.

Pippen was an all-star in 1990 :oldlol:

And as for their third options

Grant 91-'93 PO: 12/8/3 on 56%
Bosh '12-'13 PO: 13/8/1 on 47%
K Love 2016 PO: 15/9/2 on 39%

[bigkingsfan]

BJ Armstrong was voted as a starter after MJ Jordan retired, that negative impact yo.

[3ball]

Pippen was an all-star in 1990 :oldlol:

And as for their third options

Grant 91-'93 PO: 12/8/3 on 56%
Bosh '12-'13 PO: 13/8/1 on 47%
K Love 2016 PO: 15/9/2 on 39%


Bosh is a 10-time all-star, so he's far better relative to his competition than Grant (1-time all-star).. Ditto for All-NBA Love, which means that Lebron CLEARLY has the superior supporting talent at the 3rd option slot.

However, your stats show that the production of Bosh and Love declined significantly alongside Lebron, while Pippen and Grant played to full capacity alongside Jordan.

So Lebron reduces his teammates' stats, which is part of the reason why he can only win with 2 stars, whereas Jordan 3-peated with just 1 star..

In addition to fostering better teamwork, Jordan also produced more personally - his first 3 rings required 30% (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12602777&postcount=36) more scoring than Lebron, with equal assists.

[SouBeachTalents]

Bosh is a 10-time all-star, so he's far better relative to his competition than Grant (1-time all-star).. Ditto for All-NBA Love, which means that Lebron CLEARLY has the superior supporting talent at the 3rd option slot.

However, your stats show that the production of Bosh and Love declined significantly alongside Lebron, while Pippen and Grant played to full capacity alongside Jordan.

So Lebron reduces his teammates' stats, which is part of the reason why he can only win with 2 stars, whereas Jordan 3-peated with just 1 star..

In addition to fostering better teamwork, Jordan also produced more personally - his first 3 rings required 30% (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12602777&postcount=36) more scoring than Lebron, with equal assists.

Jordan had an All-NBA, 2x DPOY & 7x rebounding champ as his teams 3rd best player from '96-'98

[kamil]

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Jordan won without any all-stars in 1991, whereas Lebron has never won without at least 2 all-stars, current or former

Heck, Lebron's THIRD option was a 10-time all-star (Bosh) - that's more than any 3rd option ever..

And Love was 2nd Team All-NBA in 2014 before joining Lebron.. So Lebron's 3rd options are among the best of all time.. Lebron can only win with 2 other stars, whereas Jordan 3-peated with just 1 star.

How dare you use logic be all objective and shit!?

LeBron* fans don't like these kinds of comments.

[Screamin A Smit]

How dare you use logic be all objective and shit!?

LeBron* fans don't like these kinds of comments.

Who are you?

[3ball]

Jordan had an All-NBA, 2x DPOY & 7x rebounding champ as his teams 3rd best player from '96-'98


Rodman 97-'98 PO: 4/10/1 on 37%* ** ***
C Bosh '12-'13 PO: 13/8/1 on 47%


* was not a starter in 1998 playoffs
** did not make any all-defensive teams in 97 or 98'
*** averaged 4/8 for entire 1997 playoffs and 1998 Finals

[SouBeachTalents]

Rodman 97-'98 PO: 4/10/1 on 37%* ** ***
C Bosh '12-'13 PO: 13/8/1 on 47%


* was not a starter in 1998 playoffs
** did not make any all-defensive teams in 97 or 98'
*** averaged 4/8 for entire 1997 playoffs and 1998 Finals

Those stats show that the production of Rodman declined significantly alongside Jordan

[3ball]

Those stats show that the production of Rodman declined significantly alongside Jordan


Love and Bosh were in their prime, whereas Rodman was 34-36 years old alongside Jordan

Lebron reduces the stats of guys in their PRIME, whereas Rodman declined because he was old

nice try





Those stats show that the production of Rodman declined significantly alongside Jordan


Lebron turns teammates into play-finishers by lowering their APG (playmaking) and increasing their assisted rate (play-finishing):



................................................AP G, ASSIST %...... ASSISTED RATE

Wade before Lebron (04'-10'):..... 6.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_game), 34.8% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:advanced)..................29.2% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:shooting) <---- links to nba.com data
Wade with... Lebron (11'-14'):..... 4.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), 25.5% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)..................40.3% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:shooting)

Irving before Lebron (12'-14'):.... 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:per_game), 33.2% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:advanced)..................31.9% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:shooting)
Irving with... Lebron.. (15'-16'):.. 5.0 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2015-2016-sum:per_game), 25.6% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2015-2016-sum:advanced)..................32.7% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2015-2016-sum:shooting)

Bosh before Lebron (04'-10'):...... 2.2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_game), 10.5% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2004-2010-sum:advanced)..................55.8% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2004-2010-sum:shooting)
Bosh with... Lebron (11'-14'):...... 1.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), 8.0% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced) ...................71.6% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:shooting)

Love before Lebron (09'-14'):...... 2.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2009-2014-sum:per_game), 13.0% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2009-2014-sum:advanced)..................62.7% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2009-2014-sum:shooting)
Love with ...Lebron (15'-16'):...... 2.3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2015-2016-sum:per_game), 11.4% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2015-2016-sum:advanced)..................80.0% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2015-2016-sum:shooting)

Mo Will before Lebron (05'-08'):.. 5.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html#2005-2008-sum:per_game), 30.2% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html#2005-2008-sum:advanced)..................39.2% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html#2004-2008-sum:shooting)
Mo Will with... Lebron (09'-10'):.. 4.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html#2009-2010-sum:per_game), 22.3% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html#2009-2010-sum:advanced)..................47.6% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html#2009-2010-sum:shooting)


FYI...

Pippen with... Jordan 91'-93':...... 6.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:per_game), 24.5% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:advanced)
Pippen w/out Jordan 94'-95':...... 5.4 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:per_game), 23.7% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:advanced)
Pippen with... Jordan 96'-98':...... 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:per_game), 25.1% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:advanced)



Unfortunately, by reducing teammates to play-finishers, Lebron promotes a sophomoric brand of basketball that can't succeed against the best playoff teams, who invariably play a superior brand of basketball.. Guys like Patty Mills and Boris Diaw are tasked with MAKING PLAYS for the Spurs - they aren't just play-finishers like Shumpert and JR Smith (who are actually more talented).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers?.. It's because he employs a point guard style from the forward position - this adds a 2nd low-assisted, high time of possession player IN ADDITION to the existing point guard, which gives teammates less opportunity to assist and less time with the ball than other teams whose forwards have normal assisted rates and time of possession.

That's the difference between 2/6 and 6/6.. MJ got the most out of his teammates - he elevated teammates so the team played to full capacity and never lost as the favorite.. Otoh, Lebron reduces teammates to play-finishers, which leads to team underperformance and losing as the favorite.
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[Sarcastic]

Kyrie was All Star MVP before Bran ever won a title with him.

[Inferno]

Do you guys not get tired of discussing the same shit every day? :facepalm

[GimmeThat]

Lebron's team lost in the finals the year before

there's probably been more heart broken team owners/GM/coach who had built a team for the finals only to never had made it there

how can teams lack such awareness?

ask the QB how they just can't score in the red zone as if they had forgotten how they had gotten there from the first place

[LostCause]

3ball doing work in this thread :applause:

[Dragonyeuw]

Pippen was an all-star in 1990 :oldlol:

And as for their third options

Grant 91-'93 PO: 12/8/3 on 56%
Bosh '12-'13 PO: 13/8/1 on 47%
K Love 2016 PO: 15/9/2 on 39%

Those stats without context of watching the games means nothing. Horace Grant had very little offensive game beyond a good 15 foot jumpshot. He wasn't a player you ran plays for. Most of his points came off putbacks and being fed for easy layups/ dunks from Jordan/Pippen.

Bosh and Love's reputations took dramatic noesdives after joining Lebron. Now whether the pressure of higher stakes affected them, or Lebron's style of play stifled their production, make of it what you will. The reality is both were viewed among the best in their position. The Miami 'big 3' wouldnt have been viewed as such had Bosh came onboard playing at the level and production he showed in Miami. It would have been the big 2 and a half.

[knicksman]

At the end of the day, only losers respect bran

[TheWinningFam]

Those stats without context of watching the games means nothing. Horace Grant had very little offensive game beyond a good 15 foot jumpshot. He wasn't a player you ran plays for. Most of his points came off putbacks and being fed for easy layups/ dunks from Jordan/Pippen.

Bosh and Love's reputations took dramatic noesdives after joining Lebron. Now whether the pressure of higher stakes affected them, or Lebron's style of play stifled their production, make of it what you will. The reality is both were viewed among the best in their position. The Miami 'big 3' wouldnt have been viewed as such had Bosh came onboard playing at the level and production he showed in Miami. It would have been the big 2 and a half.
Stop with this ''lebron makes his teammates worse'' bullshit. You're not gonna put up the same numbers and effeciency as a number 1 option on a bad team as you will as the third option on a good team. If you cant get that you don't know shit about basketball. :facepalm
Take 2011 for example, lebron went from 1st option to 3rd option in the finals, as proven by being third in usage, in turn his numbers and efficiency dropped.

[Dragonyeuw]

Stop with this ''lebron makes his teammates worse'' bullshit. You're not gonna put up the same numbers and effeciency as a number 1 option on a bad team as you will as the third option on a good team. If you cant get that you don't know shit about basketball. :facepalm
Take 2011 for example, lebron went from 1st option to 3rd option in the finals, as proven by being third in usage, in turn his numbers and efficiency dropped.

Ahhhh STFU. I specifically said that either the pressure of higher stakes basketball, OR Lebron's style. Those are the only 2 possible scenarios. Obviously neither Bosh and Love's stats were gonna be what they were, NOR DID I SAY THEY WOULD BE. You can still maintain the same level of play. You'd know that if you didnt spend your days jerking off to Lebrons basketball reference page. My post SPECIFICALLY said you can't just post stats without context. This is where stat whores reveal themselves. Lebron scored 31 ppg in 2006. He scored 27 in 2012. So, by ISH retard logic he's a better scorer in 2006 just looking at the stats, right?

Also, why would the recognized consensus best player in basketball be relegated to a third option? What happened?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Actually 1991 and 1998. Won championships too.

[34-24 Footwork]

Pippen was an all-star in 1990 :oldlol:

And as for their third options

Grant 91-'93 PO: 12/8/3 on 56%
Bosh '12-'13 PO: 13/8/1 on 47%
K Love 2016 PO: 15/9/2 on 39%

Did you really list these players based on fg%??

I swear you fakkits dont watch basketball.

[SouBeachTalents]

Did you really list these players based on fg%??

I swear you fakkits dont watch basketball.

I listed them in chronological order, not that hard to comprehend dumbass :oldlol:

[LostCause]

LeBron was never relegated to a third option, no point asking any goofs who believe that why they do.

Just excuse making for some weird man-love some of these dudes have

[Smoke117]

Actually 1991 and 1998. Won championships too.

LMFAO...are you on this narrative with 3ball now too? Who cares what was official...to say Jordan won a championships in 91 and 98 without an all star is a ****ing joke. Scottie was pretty easily a top 10 player in the 91 playoffs and clearly would have been on the all-star team in 98 if he didn't miss the first half of the season. It's pathetic how insecure you Jordan stans are.

[Screamin A Smit]

I listed them in chronological order, not that hard to comprehend dumbass :oldlol:

:roll:

[egokiller]

LeBron was never relegated to a third option, no point asking any goofs who believe that why they do.

Just excuse making for some weird man-love some of these dudes have

You realize you are dealing with losers that probably tried to defend the size of the mans junk when he showed how small it was to the world. I came across some losers on another board that tried to claim it wasn't 4 inches. The distance these nerds will go to defend the size of a man that gives 2 shits about them is where amazing happens.

[TheWinningFam]

LeBron was never relegated to a third option, no point asking any goofs who believe that why they do.

Just excuse making for some weird man-love some of these dudes have
This was due to a young coaching staff's negligence, had nothing to do with bron.

In the summer of 2010, the Heat's higher-ups made the mistake of thinking they had acquired the best player at his position, instead of realizing they had acquired the best player in the world."He was just the small forward and that was it," says one of their coaches. Miami fell in the 2011 Finals to the Mavericks, with James marooned on the wing, clanking midrange jumpers. Regardless of what the box score still indicates, that was his last experience at small forward. "We went from plugging him into a system," the coach says, "to molding a system around him." The Heat wised up and handed LeBron the ball. Location wasn't all that important.
http://www.si.com/vault/2013/06/03/106329805/the-james-gang
On top of that lebron was third in usage in the finals.

You can play games all you want to, The bottom line is lebron being relegated to a 3rd option roll in the finals due to a negligent coaching staff while STILL putting up historic numbers for a third option is of no fault of bron's.

[TheWinningFam]

You realize you are dealing with losers that probably tried to defend the size of the mans junk when he showed how small it was to the world. I came across some losers on another board that tried to claim it wasn't 4 inches. The distance these nerds will go to defend the size of a man that gives 2 shits about them is where amazing happens.
Nobody's even talking about that and you bring up another man's dikk.
Gay..
http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11115/111157701/4240034-9531692152-143zs.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

This was due to a young coaching staff's negligence, had nothing to do with bron.

In the summer of 2010, the Heat's higher-ups made the mistake of thinking they had acquired the best player at his position, instead of realizing they had acquired the best player in the world."He was just the small forward and that was it," says one of their coaches. Miami fell in the 2011 Finals to the Mavericks, with James marooned on the wing, clanking midrange jumpers. Regardless of what the box score still indicates, that was his last experience at small forward. "We went from plugging him into a system," the coach says, "to molding a system around him." The Heat wised up and handed LeBron the ball. Location wasn't all that important.
http://www.si.com/vault/2013/06/03/106329805/the-james-gang
On top of that lebron was third in usage in the finals.

You can play games all you want to, The bottom line is lebron being relegated to a 3rd option roll in the finals due to a negligent coaching staff while STILL putting up historic numbers for a third option is of no fault of bron's.

Then why was LeBron the Heat's leader in PPG & FGA in the 2011 regular season & first 3 rounds of the playoffs?

[TheWinningFam]

Then why was LeBron the Heat's leader in PPG & FGA in the 2011 regular season & first 3 rounds of the playoffs?
Because he was relegated to a first option roll while averaging between first and second in usage.

In the finals wade was expected to ''carry it home'' for the heat, and be the agressor, this caused lebron's usage to drop and in turn lowered his production, however at the same time, he put up historic 3rd option numbers.

Also 2011 was not even as bad as you think, had wade not flopped on this play the heat would have gone up 3-1 and probably would have won the series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35-IkoFuHVg

See if lebron was the first option, they would have inbounded the ball to lebron, and in turn he would not have mishandled it that way. thus preserving the series.

[SouBeachTalents]

Because he was relegated to a first option roll while averaging between first and second in usage.

In the finals wade was expected to ''carry it home'' for the heat, and be the agressor, this caused lebron's usage to drop and in turn lowered his production, however at the same time, he put up historic 3rd option numbers.

Also 2011 was not even as bad as you think, had wade not flopped on this play the heat would have gone up 3-1 and probably would have won the series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35-IkoFuHVg

See if lebron was the first option, they would have inbounded the ball to lebron, and in turn he would not have mishandled it that way. thus preserving the series.

Or if LeBron had managed to score more than 8 points, that would've helped too. Just for perspective, if LeBron had managed to produce the meager 18 ppg he averaged during the Finals, the Heat win Game 4 EASILY, and go up 3-1 with HCA in Games 6 & 7

[TheWinningFam]

Or if LeBron had managed to score more than 8 points, that would've helped too. Just for perspective, if LeBron had managed to produce the meager 18 ppg he averaged during the Finals, the Heat win Game 4 EASILY, and go up 3-1 with HCA in Games 6 & 7
Wade and bosh had an astounding 30% usage rate in game 4, OTOH lebron had a measly 16%. while still recording 7 assists. Again, if they inbound the ball to lebron instead of wade, they he doesn't fumble it, and lebron probably gets an assist.

Also an assist is always more valuable than points, we know this because a point is always worth 1 point, otoh an assist can be worth 2-3 points.

[Cali Syndicate]

Comparing 3rd year MJ to an experienced and prime Lebron. Nice.

[Screamin A Smit]

Comparing 3rd year MJ to an experienced and prime Lebron. Nice.

Comparing an athletically peak 25 year old MJ to a 45,000 minutes aging 13th season LeBron? :confusedshrug:


Seems like I'm giving MJ an unfair advantage

[LostCause]

Or, Lebrons usage was lower because he shrunk when it mattered, which is what he views it as himself and why he references it as a point of self-discovery

Your quote only says that the Heat may have misused Lebron, but it doesn't specify how nor does it mention anything about him being a 3rd option. Making ambiguous evidence mean what you want it to mean is what's known as confirmation bias (http://bfy.tw/Rdx). For all we know that could just be referring to not running everything through Bron but sharing the responsibility between him and Wade (Which is more supported by Bron and Wade's comments), or running plays that weren't entirely suited to maximize Brons strengths

The DAL series started off with Lebron playing pretty well, then he fell off a cliff in Game 3 and forward


After averaging 26.0 points through the first three rounds, James was held to 14.0 points per game on 38.6 percent shooting in Games 3-5, and committed six turnovers in Dallas' championship-clinching Game 6 win. He was 7 for 21 in the fourth quarter for the series.
- http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/nba-finals-cleveland-cavaliers-dallas-mavericks-miami-heat-031015


"The fact that it happened in a loss is the anger part about it," James said. "That's all that matters to me. If I'd have had eight points and we won the game ... I don't really care about that. The fact that I could have done more offensively to help our team, that's the anger part about it for myself. But I'll come back in Game 5 and do things that need to be done to help our team win."

Game 5 is at Dallas on Thursday.

And here's a certainty: Between now and then, every aspect of James' offensive shortcomings in Game 4 will be scrutinized in about every way possible.

"He struggled," Heat forward Chris Bosh said. "Point blank, period. He struggled out there and we've all done that at times in our careers, and it happens. But he's a resilient guy. For this team, I think we're back in our comfort zone. We're desperate again. We're going to have to do a better job and the pressure's on again. So this is when we're at our best. And for LeBron, he just has to bounce back, be himself, play his game."

......

"I'm confident in my ability," James said. "It's just about going out there and knocking them down. When you have the opportunity, you have to knock them down. Your teammates give you the confidence. They give me the confidence all year, all postseason. So I have to go out there and make them count."
- http://www.cleveland.com/lebron/index.ssf/2011/06/lebron_james_has_worst_scoring.html


DALLAS -- Dwyane Wade grabbed LeBron James late in the fourth quarter of Game 3 of the NBA finals, one Miami Heat star telling the other that he could play better.

Wade did the talking. James did the nodding.

-http://staugustine.com/sports/2011-06-06/sharing-crown#


Dwayne Wade was twice as good as anybody else in this series. Lebron was good but he was good early.

For Miami, everyone but Dwayne Wade played that series like they were scared of the moment.

Lebron needs a post game. Every team will cover him as a PG with little men until he develops one. Pat Riley probably already booked some time with Hakeem for him.
- http://basketballnumbers.com/2011/06/13/finals-game-6-introducing-your-nba-champions-dallas-mavericks/

Nowhere does anyone imply or suggest Lebron was a third option or close to it. Lebron himself said:


"Anybody that knows me throughout the years, all I care about is the 'W' no matter if I'm scoring," James said Monday. "I'm not just a scoring guy. I've got a lot of points in my career. I have had some teammates who have given me great confidence and ability to go out there and score a lot of points. But I've done other things. I don't have to score points to be effective."

In one of the above links after one of his low production games that they won. Fact is Bron was taken out of the series, the last link gives a great analytical view of it all and the suggestion that Lebron develop a post game so he's not taken advantage of is EXACTLY what Lebron went and did, and became a much better player for it

Dude simply put was taken out of the series, whether by his own fears of the moment or DAL defending him as they did. 2-Time MVP's don't become 3rd options to players who underperformed throughout the season and playoffs. Take that noise somewhere else

[SamuraiSWISH]

LMFAO...are you on this narrative with 3ball now too? Who cares what was official...to say Jordan won a championships in 91 and 98 without an all star is a ****ing joke. Scottie was pretty easily a top 10 player in the 91 playoffs and clearly would have been on the all-star team in 98 if he didn't miss the first half of the season. It's pathetic how insecure you Jordan stans are.
Huh? Did I disagree? Don't get your Scottie Pippen stan jimmies rustled.

Drunk, angry, insecure Smoke117 is back. Prefer the high one. He's mellow amd rational.

Thought it was obvious I was trolling OP back with his same idiotic logic of what constitutes playing with an all star caliber teammate or not.

:facepalm

[Smoke117]

Huh? Did I disagree? Don't get your Scottie Pippen stan jimmies rustled.

Drunk, angry, insecure Smoke117 is back. Prefer the high one. He's mellow amd rational.

Thought it was obvious I was trolling OP back with his same idiotic logic of what constitutes playing with an all star caliber teammate or not.

:facepalm

Are you serious? All the MJ dick sucking you've done...how the hell is anyone supposed to know when you are kidding or not? It's not like I can hear the inflection in your voice, genius.