Ranking Bron, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe in times been the best player in the Finals..

[Dray n Klay]

LeBron: 5 times (2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)


Shaq: 4 times (2000, 2001, 2002, 2004)







Duncan: 2 times (1999, 2003)


Kobe: 2 times (2009, 2010*)





Agree/Disagree ?

[BigKAT]

Who was the best player in 2005?

Also, you'd think that if you made a thread like this you'd include a 6/6 Guy but yeah, other then that your list seems fine.

Lebron has often appeared better even when he was losing.
2015 being the best example. The fact that Iggy and Kawahi won FMVP just for guarding him (Though not as successfully as advertised imo) is a point to that.

[Dray n Klay]

Who was the best player in 2005?

Also, you'd think that if you made a thread like this you'd include a 6/6 Guy but yeah, other then that your list seems fine.

Lebron has often appeared better even when he was losing.
2015 being the best example. The fact that Iggy and Kawahi won FMVP just for guarding him (Though not as successfully as advertised imo) is a point to that.



The consensus was that Ginobli was the best player in 2005

[BigKAT]

The consensus was that Ginobli was the best player in 2005

Really?
I did not watch those Finals yet. (Dunno if I'll ever get to it.)

Why didn't he win FMVP?

[Dray n Klay]

Really?
I did not watch those Finals yet. (Dunno if I'll ever get to it.)

Why didn't he win FMVP?


Duncan averaged 20 ppg on a putrid 47% TS






As a point of reference LeBron got destroyed by fans for shooting better efficiency and averaging 36 points in the 2016 Finals. So Duncan averaging 20ppg on 47% is pretty bad.






Ginobli averaged 19 points on 63% TS and was the key closer in Games 4, 5 and 7

[BigKAT]

Duncan averaged 20 ppg on a putrid 47% TS






As a point of reference LeBron got destroyed by fans for shooting better efficiency and averaging 36 points in the 2016 Finals. So Duncan averaging 20ppg on 47% is pretty bad.






Ginobli averaged 19 points on 63% TS and was the key closer in Games 4, 5 and 7

Yeah I don't think anyone can/will/should diss Lebron on the 16' finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

Duncan averaged 20 ppg on a putrid 47% TS






As a point of reference LeBron got destroyed by fans for shooting better efficiency and averaging 36 points in the 2016 Finals. So Duncan averaging 20ppg on 47% is pretty bad.






Ginobli averaged 19 points on 63% TS and was the key closer in Games 4, 5 and 7

Manu was the key closer in a 31 point loss :roll: Also, Horry was the closer in Game 5

[Duncan21formvp]

LeBron: 5 times (2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)


Shaq: 4 times (2000, 2001, 2002, 2004)







Duncan: 2 times (1999, 2003)


Kobe: 2 times (2009, 2010*)





Agree/Disagree ?

Lebron wasn't the best player in the finals in 2012, 2014, 2015

Duncan was the best player in 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007 and 2013.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron wasn't the best player in the finals in 2012, 2014, 2015

Duncan was the best player in 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007 and 2013.

And the retard continues

[BigKAT]

Lebron wasn't the best player in the finals in 2012, 2014, 2015

Duncan was the best player in 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007 and 2013.

Take a look at your post.

[Smoke117]

Really?
I did not watch those Finals yet. (Dunno if I'll ever get to it.)

Why didn't he win FMVP?

Nobody but clowns with an agenda (like dray) think Ginobili was better than Duncan in the 2005 finals.

[SamuraiSWISH]

If it's based on Finals MVP

1)
Jordan - 6x times - 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998

2)
Shaq - 3x times - 2000, 2001, 2002
LeBron - 3x times - 2012, 2013, 2016
Duncan - 3x times - 1999, 2003, 2005

3)
Kobe - 2x times - 2009, 2010

Wade - 2006
Billups - 2005
Leonard - 2014
Iguodala - 2015
Dirk - 2011
Parker - 2007

[Dray n Klay]

If it's based on Finals MVP

1)
Jordan - 6x times - 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998

2)
Shaq - 3x times - 2000, 2001, 2002
LeBron - 3x times - 2012, 2013, 2016
Duncan - 3x times - 1999, 2003, 2005

3)
Kobe - 2x times - 2009, 2010

Wade - 2006
Billups - 2005
Leonard - 2014
Iguodala - 2015
Dirk - 2011
Parker - 2007



WTF is this.


There's a difference between FMVP and best player in the Finals



Shaq was the best player in 2004, even though Billups was FMVP

[SamuraiSWISH]

WTF is this.


There's a difference between FMVP and best player in the Finals



Shaq was the best player in 2004, even though Billups was FMVP
But usually not ... That's why it's the award for best player in the series. Only truly rare exceptions occur every once in awhile. Usually the best player in the series has impact that wins games. And isn't hollow stat padding.

[Dray n Klay]

But usually not ... That's why it's the award for best player in the series. Only truly rare exceptions occur every once in awhile. Usually the best player in the series has impact that wins games. And isn't hollow stat padding.

So you agree Rodman was the best player in the 1996 finals even though Jordan was FMVP?

[LostCause]

So you agree Rodman was the best player in the 1996 finals even though Jordan was FMVP?

Rodman was nowhere NEAR the best player in the Finals. Both Jordan and Payton were better, arguably Kemp too. Rodman getting FMVP that series would be like Tristian Thompson getting FMVP in 2015. He got extra possessions and played good D, but his D wasn't THAT great (Kemp averaged 23/10 with a TS% of 63, same efficiency as the RS but almost 4 more ppg). Giving the FMVP to Rodman for that wouldn't have made much sense

Jordan wasn't as effecient but he carried the offense. Scottie was terrible that series (Scottie pretty much lost them Game 4 on his own, 1/4 in the 4th QT with 5 TO's). Kemp was working Rodman in Game 5 which is why Chicago couldn't pull away with Jordan getting hot. Jordans overall impact (He forced a ton of turnovers and guarded both Payton AND Hawkins throughout the series) was far greater than Rodmans rebounding impact (Two big rebounding games, 2 and 6 as Karl referenced). Karl was also referring to Rodman getting in Kemps head and geting him fouled out, and while thats nice, itss not FMVP worthy

TL;DR yal need to actually watch these games instead of glancing at googled statlines or headlines and trying to build cases from them.

[Smoke117]

Rodman was nowhere NEAR the best player in the Finals. Both Jordan and Payton were better, arguably Kemp as well. Rodman getting Finals MVP that series would be like Tristian Thompson getting FMVP in 2015. He was responsible for many extra possessions and played good defense, but his defense wasn't THAT good that series (Kemp averaged 23/10 with a TS% of 63, same efficiency as the RS but almost 4 more points per game). Giving the FMVP to Rodman for that wouldn't have made much sense

Jordan had his worst Finals for sure though. He was typical Jordan early and efficiency dropped late but Scottie was terrible that series (Scottie pretty much lost them Game 4 on his own, 1/4 in the 4th QT with 5 TO's). Kemp was working Rodman in Game 5 which is why Chicago couldn't pull away with Jordan getting hot.

Jordans offensive and defensive impact (He fored a ton of turnovers and guarded both Payton AND Hawkins throughout the series) was far greater than Rodmans rebounding impact (Which he had TWO big rebounding games, 2 and 6. Which are the ones Karl referenced). Karl was also referring to Rodman getting in Kemps head and geting him fouled out of a game, and while thats great on him, that's not FMVP worthy

Also, to clear up a misconception: The Sonic played amazing team defense on Jordan which is why his FG% for the series was at 41%. Many people attribute this solely ot Payton but that's not true, if you watch the games Jordan actually feasted on Payton whenever he got the ball and Payton was defending him. However the key is that Payton did an amazing job denying Jordan the ball which often caused the Bulls' offense to fall apart because they couldn't get Mike the ball. Scottie was nowhere to be found for most of the series

Yal talk about Bron carrying Wade to a ring or losing because Wade was past his prime. Watch how bad Scottie was for most of that series

TL;DR yal need to actually watch these games instead of glancing at googled statlines or headlines and trying to build cases from them.

The difference is Wade was never the best defensive player in one of those finals series like Scottie was in the 96 finals, so regardless of what he did offensively...he was not "carried".

[Annyong!]

LeBron: 5 times (2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)


Shaq: 4 times (2000, 2001, 2002, 2004)







Duncan: 2 times (1999, 2003)


Kobe: 2 times (2009, 2010*)





Agree/Disagree ?

Duncan was the best player in the 2005 Finals too.

[lilteapot]

Lebron wasn't the best player in the finals in 2012, 2014, 2015

Duncan was the best player in 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007 and 2013.


You're ****ing retarded.

There's no way Durant, Westbrook, Wade or Bosh were better than Lebron in 2012. Nobody on the floor was better than Lebron in 15.

[Leroy Jetson]

Duncan averaged 20 ppg on a putrid 47% TS






As a point of reference LeBron got destroyed by fans for shooting better efficiency and averaging 36 points in the 2016 Finals. So Duncan averaging 20ppg on 47% is pretty bad.






Ginobli averaged 19 points on 63% TS and was the key closer in Games 4, 5 and 7

Yes because shooting % is really the only stat that matters right? Duncan averaged 20.6 14.1 2.1 and 2.1 blocks compared to Ginobili 18.7 5.9. 4.0 and 1.3 steals. (Love the way you round up Ginobili's scoring and round down for Duncan by the way, no agenda whatsoever right?). Duncan played more total minutes, faced more double teams and was playing DPOY level defense at this point. But your great basketball mind somehow finds Ginobili better? And since FMVP doesn't seem to matter to you who's to say Duncan wasn't better than Parker in 2007. Honestly his overall impact on those games was still probably greater even though Parker was a better offensive option with a highly favorable matchup in that series.