Top 5 of all time - How it pertains to Lebron

[retaxis]

1. MJ
2, KJ
3. Magic

Lebron must win 1 more FMVP to be top 3 and push Magic from 3 to 4. Lebron has 3 titles and magic has 5 (although magic played with #2 of all time KJ). In most peoples opionion, Lebron must win 4 titles with 4 MVPs to be top 3 of all time

If somehow Lebron wins 5 FMVP he will be top 2 of all time similar to KJ. Top 1 is way out of the question as perhaps someone in the next generation could try and approach but it is too far out for Lebron especially after 2011. Lebron however can aim to become #2 of all time if he is able to secure 2 more titles.

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron would definitely have an argument over Magic all time

[lilteapot]

Definitely fair enough.

Although I think Lebron is greater than Magic.

[Bankaii]

I have him in the 5-6 range tied with Shaq. Russell's 11 rings are enticing but the nisei look at his career the more I see how much of an inferior player he is.

A ring next year puts him at 4 no doubt and gives him a strong argument at top 3.
If that ring is against the 2017 Warriors with the same production he had in 2016, he'll be no doubt top 3 for me.

[retaxis]

As a player Lebron might be equal or greater than Magic talent wise but Magic has 5 titles compared to Lebrons 3.

Lebron has to work and get another title to put the differences aside as we all know MAGIC played best WITHOUT Kareem and infact won NBA titles with Kareem injured/no playing. This is why Lebron, accolade wise must win at least another championship to be top 3. Another 2 championship to be top 2 player but he will never, ever reach MJ.

[LAZERUSS]

Somewhere in the Shaq-Duncan range, at between 6-8, and behind the true immortals... Wilt, MJ, Magic, KAJ, and Russell.

[Dray n Klay]

Somewhere in the Shaq-Duncan range, at between 6-8, and behind the true immortals... Wilt, MJ, Magic, KAJ, and Russell.


Wilt isn't even close to being top 5

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt isn't even close to being top 5

The RECORD BOOK, with literally HUNDREDS, (and in fact... THOUSANDS) of NBA RECORDS, including FAR more POST-SEASON RECORDS than Leshrivel...says otherwise.

[Dray n Klay]

The RECORD BOOK, with literally HUNDREDS, (and in fact... THOUSANDS) of NBA RECORDS, including FAR more POST-SEASON RECORDS than Leshrivel...says otherwise.


What Record Book?


The record of Finals losses while having a 40ppg teammate? :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

What Record Book?


The record of Finals losses while having a 40ppg teammate? :oldlol:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Wilt was FAR more dominant scoring 11 ppg than Leshrivel was in scoring 36 ppg.

BTW, it was Chamberlain who CARRIED West to his only ring.

[Nilocon165]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Wilt was FAR more dominant scoring 11 ppg than Leshrivel was in scoring 36 ppg.

BTW, it was Chamberlain who CARRIED West to his only ring.
What the **** are you even on about?

Just shut the **** up and never post about basketball again dumbass

[Bankaii]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Wilt was FAR more dominant scoring 11 ppg than Leshrivel was in scoring 36 ppg.

BTW, it was Chamberlain who CARRIED West to his only ring.
What kind of stupid shit is this?
Lebron>Wilt. Accept it.

[LAZERUSS]

What kind of stupid shit is this?
Lebron>Wilt. Accept it.

FACT!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12604379&postcount=10

Wilt could DOMINATE a series (and against a Top-5 GOAT BTW), with 11 ppg.

Meanwhile, LeCoward shot his team right down the toilet with his 36 ppg, in a series in which the FMVP, a role player off the bench, shut him down.

Wilt's 11 ppg >>>>> Leshrivel's 36 ppg.


Oh, and Wilt >>>>>>> LeCHOKE.

[LAZERUSS]

He's melting down because he can't handle the fact that his 18 ppg finals scoring idol and his other 25% finals game 7 scoring idol are several tiers behind a 31 year old lebron who isn't even done yet!
:lebronamazed:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You backed the biggest choker in Finals history Feeble.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12602694&postcount=167

"Fence-Jumpin" Feeble.

Now you are backing Leshrivel?

What a pathetic loser.

[Mr Feeny]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You backed the biggest choker in Finals history Feeble.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12602694&postcount=167

"Fence-Jumpin" Feeble.

Now you are backing Leshrivel?

What a pathetic loser.

You haven't addressed my points. Lebron is several tiers about both of your idoos:lebronamazed:

[Smoke117]

Larry Bird > magic Johnson

[Duncan21formvp]

Lebron will need to reach Duncan's level first before he can get into the top 3 all time.

[retaxis]

Lebron will need to reach Duncan's level first before he can get into the top 3 all time.
Actually that's a fair point in my opinion Duncan and magic are tied and are both top5. If Lebron wins another fmvp however, he could jump over both of them.

So what I shown is that Lebron will never reach Duncan's level or eclipse him by this time next year. He isn't going to beat x than y than z. He will eclipse Shaq,Duncan, magic, Kobe next year if he wins another fmvp

[KirbyPls]

Actually that's a fair point in my opinion Duncan and magic are tied and are both top5. If Lebron wins another fmvp however, he could jump over both of them.

So what I shown is that Lebron will never reach Duncan's level or eclipse him by this time next year. He isn't going to beat x than y than z. He will eclipse Shaq,Duncan, magic, Kobe next year if he wins another fmvp

:lol at "eclipsing Kobe." That happened on June 20, 2013.

Duncan is a better argument, but IMO Lebron is the better player and higher all-time.

[aj1987]

Actually that's a fair point in my opinion Duncan and magic are tied and are both top5. If Lebron wins another fmvp however, he could jump over both of them.

So what I shown is that Lebron will never reach Duncan's level or eclipse him by this time next year. He isn't going to beat x than y than z. He will eclipse Shaq,Duncan, magic, Kobe next year if he wins another fmvp
Nope. He's ~7. Not top 5 for sure.


If LeBron wins another ring and FMVP, he'd have a solid argument for #2 all time. 4 MVP's, 4 Rings, 4 FMVP's. Jordan is the only other player to have similar award totals.

Lozerus melting in another thread... :facepalm

[Dragonyeuw]

If LeBron wins another ring and FMVP, he'd have a solid argument for #2 all time. 4 MVP's, 4 Rings, 4 FMVP's. Jordan is the only other player to have similar award totals.


How would you personally measure that against Kareem's resume, if we're saying( I'm assuming you are) that he's currently #2?

[Dray n Klay]

How would you personally measure that against Kareem's resume, if we're saying( I'm assuming you are) that he's currently #2?


4 FMVPs 4 MVPs better career stats > 6 MVPs 2 FMVPs worse career stats

[aj1987]

How would you personally measure that against Kareem's resume, if we're saying( I'm assuming you are) that he's currently #2?
I still wouldn't rank him over Kareem. Just saying that he'd have an argument over him. Kareem's 6 MVP's, 6 Rings, and 2 FMVP's (deserved the '80 FMVP) vs 4 MVP's, 4 Rings, and 4 FMVP's. People are going to say that (Feeny does that RN and ranks LeBon over KAJ and I actually tried to explain to him how good KAJ was, but the dude is retarded AF) KAJ was carried to a bunch of his rings and doesn't deserve to be ranked that high.

EDIT: On cue, one of the resident retard pops up.

[Dragonyeuw]

I still wouldn't rank him over Kareem. Just saying that he'd have an argument over him. Kareem's 6 MVP's, 6 Rings, and 2 FMVP's (deserved the '80 FMVP) vs 4 MVP's, 4 Rings, and 4 FMVP's. People are going to say that (Feeny does that RN and ranks LeBon over KAJ and I actually tried to explain to him how good KAJ was, but the dude is retarded AF) KAJ was carried to a bunch of his rings and doesn't deserve to be ranked that high.

EDIT: On cue, one of the resident retard pops up.

True. I would say another ring/FMVP if nothing else should lock him firmly into #3 spot.

[Mr Feeny]

I still wouldn't rank him over Kareem. Just saying that he'd have an argument over him. Kareem's 6 MVP's, 6 Rings, and 2 FMVP's (deserved the '80 FMVP) vs 4 MVP's, 4 Rings, and 4 FMVP's. People are going to say that (Feeny does that RN and ranks LeBon over KAJ and I actually tried to explain to him how good KAJ was, but the dude is retarded AF) KAJ was carried to a bunch of his rings and doesn't deserve to be ranked that high.

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You don't have to call anyone who argues with you retarded. I , and many people, believe that Magic Johnson was the better player for the majority of the showtime lakers' titles. That doesn't mean that Kareem was a scrub,but it means that I personally don't rank his 6 titles the way I weight MJ'S 6 or Lebron's 3.
Lebron has 3 fmvps and there's almost no argument that Kareem had 3 better finals/or as good as Lebron's best.
Statistically, as you said, he's better than kareem.
It's not fair to look at the 6 and give him the nod because they aren't in the same scenario. Lebron averaged 36 ppg, 13 rpg and 9 apg last year but couldn't win because his second best player was Mozgov. If he had another top 10 goat on his team like kareem had in the mid 80's, these are all titles.

If you disagree, that's fine. Don't throw a tantrum because people disagree with you. Not sure why you even brought me up given that I haven't mentioned you whatsoever.

[BedroomBully]

FACT!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12604379&postcount=10

Wilt could DOMINATE a series (and against a Top-5 GOAT BTW), with 11 ppg.

Meanwhile, LeCoward shot his team right down the toilet with his 36 ppg, in a series in which the FMVP, a role player off the bench, shut him down.

Wilt's 11 ppg >>>>> Leshrivel's 36 ppg.


Oh, and Wilt >>>>>>> LeCHOKE.
How do you get shut down when youre averaging 36ppg, 15 reb, 11 ast?

[Poetry]

Wilt isn't even close to being top 5

One of the metrics ESPN used to rank LeBron at 3 also ranked Wilt at 2.

[aj1987]

You don't have to call anyone who argues with you retarded. I , and many people, believe that Magic Johnson was the better player for the majority of the showtime lakers' titles. That doesn't mean that Kareem was a scrub,but it means that I personally don't rank his 6 titles the way I weight MJ'S 6 or Lebron's 3.
Lebron has 3 fmvps and there's almost no argument that Kareem had 3 better finals/or as good as Lebron's best.
Statistically, as you said, he's better than kareem.
It's not fair to look at the 6 and give him the nod because they aren't in the same scenario. Lebron averaged 36 ppg, 13 rpg and 9 apg last year but couldn't win because his second best player was Mozgov. If he had another top 10 goat on his team like kareem had in the mid 80's, these are all titles.

If you disagree, that's fine. Don't throw a tantrum because people disagree with you. Not sure why you even brought me up given that I haven't mentioned you whatsoever.
You were arguing that LeBron is a higher than KAJ RN because he was "carried" to a couple of titles. You also claimed that LeBron's '16 Finals is better than any of Kareem's.

[SouBeachTalents]

You were arguing that LeBron is a higher than KAJ RN because he was "carried" to a couple of titles. You also claimed that LeBron's '16 Finals is better than any of Kareem's.

Kareem was third option on the '87 Lakers, and was a straight up role player averaging 14 ppg for his last title in '88. And there's nothing remotely absurd about saying LeBron's 2016 Finals were better than any of Kareem's. Even if you disagreed, it'd still have a solid argument

[aj1987]

Kareem was third option on the '87 Lakers, and was a straight up role player averaging 14 ppg for his last title in '88. And there's nothing remotely absurd about saying LeBron's 2016 Finals were better than any of Kareem's. Even if you disagreed, it'd still have a solid argument
1974.

[GimmeThat]

like the criticism of Lebron not having to win 1 with the Cavs, one day, the question of why not win 7 in a row with Wade/Bosh instead of the current Cavs squad is most likely going to pop up again indeed

[Mr Feeny]

You were arguing that LeBron is a higher than KAJ RN because he was "carried" to a couple of titles. You also claimed that LeBron's '16 Finals is better than any of Kareem's.

There's nothing to argue. Lebron's 2016 is better than any of Kareem's. I'd think you'd agree with that.

[brownmamba00]

There's nothing to argue. Lebron's 2016 is better than any of Kareem's. I'd think you'd agree with that.
:roll:

[brownmamba00]

Kareem became a NBA champion in his sophomore year averaged 32/16/3 while bringing home the only trophy in Milwaukee Bucks history. 1971.

KAJ was a killer on the floor since day 1...didn't need to ''develop'' his mental deficiencies.

[AintNoSunshine]

I have him in the 5-6 range tied with Shaq. Russell's 11 rings are enticing but the nisei look at his career the more I see how much of an inferior player he is.

A ring next year puts him at 4 no doubt and gives him a strong argument at top 3.
If that ring is against the 2017 Warriors with the same production he had in 2016, he'll be no doubt top 3 for me.
If he somehow wins the ring next year, you can't possibly have him anywhere lower than top 2 all time. Because if he beat this Warriors team it means he would have completed THE MOST MIRACULOUS FEAT IN NBA HISTORY. Adding to his 2016 Finals, he would have the 2 greatest feats. Back to back championships over a 73 win team and this 73 team with Durant. Man.

[retaxis]

nope like i said. Lebron with 4 rings is top 3 not top 2. Lebron can not jump to 2 because he does not have the required number of rings and mental fortitude yet. he has shown 1 year and yes only 1 year where he has won without Wade/Riley and that was off the back of Irving's massive shot. Even though I am a Lebron fan before 03, Lebron has not proven he can carry a team to a championship multiple time like KAJ and MJ.

[Mr Feeny]

nope like i said. Lebron with 4 rings is top 3 not top 2. Lebron can not jump to 2 because he does not have the required number of rings and mental fortitude yet. he has shown 1 year and yes only 1 year where he has won without Wade/Riley and that was off the back of Irving's massive shot. Even though I am a Lebron fan before 03, Lebron has not proven he can carry a team to a championship multiple time like KAJ and MJ.

That's fine and dandy but the vast majority would disagree with you and place lebron firmly in the top 2 if he wins another ring, unfortunately for you.

Winning this year against a 73 win team and orchestrating the only 3-1 comeback in finals history was not down to his side kirk's "massive shot". It was due to him become the first and only player in the history of the sport to lead both teams in all statistical categories, and due to him scoring 11 4th quarter points compared to 13 for the entire warriors team, as well as making the single greatest defensive play in nba history.
It's considered the greatest performance in finals history for a reason. What he did was close to impossible.

[retaxis]

That's fine and dandy but the vast majority would disagree with you and place lebron firmly in the top 2 if he wins another ring, unfortunately for you.

Winning this year against a 73 win team and orchestrating the only 3-1 comeback in finals history was not down to his side kirk's "massive shot". It was due to him become the first and only player in the history of the sport to lead both teams in all statistical categories, and due to him scoring 11 4th quarter points compared to 13 for the entire warriors team, as well as making the single greatest defensive play in nba history.
It's considered the greatest performance in finals history for a reason. What he did was close to impossible.

The vast majority lol. Do i look like I gave a sh1t about the vast majority? The vast majority of you idiot americans have left your country in 20trillion debt thats the vast majority. This is about personal opinion not about "oh look hipsters who spend mummy and daddys money think this and that". Sorry I have been a lebron fan before most lebron stans were even born and If I think what I think, Than thats my own opinion. I think If Lebron wins another ring he will be top 3, if he wins another one on top of that top 2, if he wins a 5th ring he will be 1b to michaels 1a. I am not a kobetard or currymuncher but I am not some hipster retard bronnystan who sits in mommys basement talking sh1t all day

[Mr Feeny]

The vast majority lol. Do i look like I gave a sh1t about the vast majority? The vast majority of you idiot americans have left your country in 20trillion debt thats the vast majority. This is about personal opinion not about "oh look hipsters who spend mummy and daddys money think this and that". Sorry I have been a lebron fan before most lebron stans were even born and If I think what I think, Than thats my own opinion. I think If Lebron wins another ring he will be top 3, if he wins another one on top of that top 2, if he wins a 5th ring he will be 1b to michaels 1a. I am not a kobetard or currymuncher but I am not some hipster retard bronnystan who sits in mommys basement talking sh1t all day

And you can think that all you want. The rest of us and the masses can think he's top 3 already and top 2 minimum if he wins one more ring
That sounds good to me :lebronamazed:

[AussieSteve]

Since 1980ish there have only been two players to my knowledge who have been completely undisputed as the best player in the world for any extended period of time. MJ and LBJ.

Obviously there have been others (Bird, Magic, Shaq etc.) who have held the mantle, but none to my knowledge would have ever been completely unanimous... at least not for more than a season or two.

For mine, you have to put LBJ right there behind MJ at #2

As an aside, I'm not sure that LBJ will ever make it to #1. Even if his overall career ends up being superior. MJ was just better.

[LostCause]

I'm pretty sure Shaq was unquestionably the best in the league for quite a stretch (longer than 2 years) as well

[NBAGOAT]

actually agree lebron 2016 Finals might be the best besides maybe 74 which the Bucks lost. Still lebron has ways to go because their peaks/primes are comparable and Kareem has Goat level longevity. Was a top 5 player in the league until he was like 38 which I doubt lebron will match. It honestly gives Kareem a case over MJ.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kareem became a NBA champion in his sophomore year averaged 32/16/3 while bringing home the only trophy in Milwaukee Bucks history. 1971.

KAJ was a killer on the floor since day 1...didn't need to ''develop'' his mental deficiencies.

This reeks of 'let me look this up on wikipedia/bball ref' lol

[feyki]

Hyping accolades and Magic ( mr.accolades ) is amazing .

And counting fmvp's is biggest joke ever .

But a lot of people don't know what are/were level of players on the court . And then they applying full ignorance .

[ArbitraryWater]

Hyping accolades and Magic ( mr.accolades ) is amazing .

And counting fmvp's is biggest joke ever .

But a lot of people don't know what are/were level of players on the court . And then they applying full ignorance .

this guy is furious :lol

[KirbyPls]

Since 1980ish there have only been two players to my knowledge who have been completely undisputed as the best player in the world for any extended period of time. MJ and LBJ.

Obviously there have been others (Bird, Magic, Shaq etc.) who have held the mantle, but none to my knowledge would have ever been completely unanimous... at least not for more than a season or two.

For mine, you have to put LBJ right there behind MJ at #2

As an aside, I'm not sure that LBJ will ever make it to #1. Even if his overall career ends up being superior. MJ was just better.

Lebron's my favorite player ever, but I agree with this unfortunately. LBJ has more advantages/talent/size, MJ was just greater, slightly. :(

[Mr Feeny]

Lebron's my favorite player ever, but I agree with this unfortunately. LBJ has more advantages/talent/size, MJ was just greater, slightly. :(I don't think lebron has a problem being considered 2nd best all time.