More stacked? 96 Bulls or 17 Warriors?

[TrueBlue89]

Jordan, Harper, Rodman, Pippen, Kukoc & Kerr or Durant, Curry, Thompson, Green, Livingston & Iguodala?

The amount of help Jordan & Curry played with is insane. Imagine the amount of titles Kobe or LeBron would've won with that sort of supporting cast. :lol

[Warriorsfan86]

Kevin Durant's team is extremely stacked on offense. We will have to wait and see how they perform on the defensive end.

[Smoke117]

It's not even close...the Warriors are obviously much more stacked. Just taking those six players from each:

Jordan > Curry

Durant > Pippen

Dray > Rodman

Klay >> Kukoc

Iggy >> Harper

Livingston > Kerr

[raprap]

Warriors

[GrapeApe]

5 of the GS players you listed are current or former all-stars, 2 of them being MVP winners and 1 of them being a FMVP winner. I think the answer is pretty obvious, on paper at least.

[Duncan21formvp]

1996 Bulls had 2 guys on the allstar team and they were 33 and 31 years old at that.

[LostCause]

Lebrons Heat teams and certainly the 16 Cavs were as or more "stacked" than the Bulls. Since we're obviously not accounting for the fact some players were over the hill on the Bulls:

2013 and 2014 Heat: Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Chalmers
2016 Cavs: Lebron, Irving, Love, Jefferson, JR Smith, Tristian Thompson

Bron was 1/2 with that stacked Heat team and probably will be 1/2 with the stacked Cavs next season. The 17 Warriors obviously are more stacked than either of them

[LostCause]

Kobe....

All I have to say is 04 Lakers. Nice troll attempts, though

[TrueBlue89]

It's not even close...the Warriors are obviously much more stacked. Just taking those six players from each:

Jordan > Curry

Durant > Pippen

Dray > Rodman

Klay >> Kukoc

Iggy >> Harper

Livingston > Kerr
It's not as simple as that.

Pippen, Jordan, Harper & Rodman were all elite tier defenders & passers in their respective positions even if the Warriors players are slightly better scoring wise. It evens things up more.

[juju151111]

It's not as simple as that.

Pippen, Jordan, Harper & Rodman were all elite tier defenders & passers in their respective positions even if the Warriors players are slightly better scoring wise. It evens things up more.
Durant,iggy,Livingston,dray are great defenders. Dray is also a elite defender and also a top notch offensive player.

[Smoke117]

It's not as simple as that.

Pippen, Jordan, Harper & Rodman were all elite tier defenders & passers in their respective positions even if the Warriors players are slightly better scoring wise. It evens things up more.

Neither Harper nor Rodman were elite tier passers at their positions...that's just ****ing nonsense. Harper was also not an elite tier defender...he was good, but it's easy to look better than you are when you play with Pippen and Jordan on the perimeter.

[MrFonzworth]

It's not even close...the Warriors are obviously much more stacked. Just taking those six players from each:

Jordan > Curry

Durant > Pippen

Dray > Rodman

Klay >> Kukoc

Iggy >> Harper

Livingston > Kerr

More like:

Jordan >>> Curry

Pippen = Durant

Rodman < Dray

Kukoc << Klay

Harper < Iggy

Kerr < Livingston


Bulls take the cake for me.

[jayfan]

'96 Bulls weren't stacked. So I guess GS is the answer.





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[juju151111]

More like:

Jordan >>> Curry

Pippen = Durant

Rodman < Dray

Kukoc << Klay

Harper < Iggy

Kerr < Livingston


Bulls take the cake for me.
96 Mj isn't wayyy better then Curry. What are you talking about? 96 Pippen isn't equal to Durant. Durant is a mvp. Dray has way more impact then Rodman.

[MrFonzworth]

96 Mj isn't wayyy better then Curry. What are you talking about? 96 Pippen isn't equal to Durant. Durant is a mvp. Dray has way more impact then Rodman.

I'd say MJ is miles ahead of Curry. You can argue that they're equal offensively, but MJ is indubitably superior on the defensive side. He's much more of a leader and is more likely to show up when it matters.

I'd say Pippen and Durant are even. Yes Durant is a top tier scorer and MVP, but Pippen is easily a better defender and distributor.

Dray isn't that much more impactful than Rodman, if any. He can stretch the floor, distribute the ball and guards all positions, but he's only having a fraction of the influence Rodman does in the paint.

[juju151111]

I'd say MJ is miles ahead of Curry. You can argue that they're equal offensively, but MJ is indubitably superior on the defensive side. He's much more of a leader and is more likely to show up when it matters.

I'd say Pippen and Durant are even. Yes Durant is a top tier scorer and MVP, but Pippen is easily a better defender and distributor.

Dray isn't that much more impactful than Rodman, if any. He can stretch the floor, distribute the ball and guards all positions, but he's only having a fraction of the influence Rodman does in the paint.
Curry averged 30 ppg and was very efficient. Mj was great Offensively and great defensivel, but Curry was more efficient on offense.

You also forgot about Klay thompson.

Durant is better then Pippen. He better offensively (space defense,scoring etc....) and was a mvp over prime LJ. Dray is way more impactful then Rodman. Your making no sense. They are both elite defenders and Dray us a wayy better offensively

[MrFonzworth]

Curry averged 30 ppg and was very efficient. Mj was great Offensively and great defensivel, but Curry was more efficient on offense.

You also forgot about Klay thompson.

Durant is better then Pippen. He better offensively (space defense,scoring etc....) and was a mvp over prime LJ. Dray is way more impactful then Rodman. Your making no sense. They are both elite defenders and Dray us a wayy better offensively

Curry more efficient? Define efficient.


95-96 Playoff stats vs. Curry's past season's playoff stats:

Jordan's .460 FG%> Curry's .440 FG%

Jordan's 2.3 TO > Curry's 4.2 TO

Jordan's .403 3P%< Curry's .404 3P%

Explain how Curry is more efficient?


How did I forget Klay?


Yes, Durant is better than Pippen offensively. He was 5th in MVP this past year, and his numbers are obviously going to lower.

Sure Draymond is an elite defender, but not on Rodman's level. You also didn't mention that Rodman's the greatest rebounder of all time? And how am I not making sense? I said Dray > Rodman in my original post. :biggums:

[juju151111]

Curry more efficient? Define efficient.


95-96 Playoff stats vs. Curry's past season's playoff stats:

Jordan's .460 FG%> Curry's .440 FG%

Jordan's 2.3 TO > Curry's 4.2 TO

Jordan's .403 3P%< Curry's .404 3P%

Explain how Curry is more efficient?


How did I forget Klay?


Yes, Durant is better than Pippen offensively. He was 5th in MVP this past year, and his numbers are obviously going to lower.

Sure Draymond is an elite defender, but not on Rodman's level. You also didn't mention that Rodman's the greatest rebounder of all time? And how am I not making sense? I said Dray > Rodman in my original post. :biggums:
I didn't know we were talking about only playoffs. I thought this was the whole season.
Klay is anouther weapon for GS.
What do you mean not on Rodman level. Draymond could guard 1-4 and 96 aRodman 3-5. Where you getting this draymond isn't on 96 Rodma level?

[MrFonzworth]

I didn't know we were talking about only playoffs. I thought this was the whole season.
Klay is anouther weapon for GS.
What do you mean not on Rodman level. Draymond could guard 1-4 and 96 aRodman 3-5. Where you getting this draymond isn't on 96 Rodma level?

Playoffs is the only thing that actually matters, since it's a given they're both dominating the regular season

I know Klay is a weapon. I addressed that in my original post

The difference between Dray's defense and Rodman's is that Dray can GUARD 1-4, but Rodman will SHUTDOWN 3-5. Remember when AD dropped 36 on Dray? No way he's getting half of that on Rodman.

[Smoke117]

Playoffs is the only thing that actually matters, since it's a given they're both dominating the regular season

I know Klay is a weapon. I addressed that in my original post

The difference between Dray's defense and Rodman's is that Dray can GUARD 1-4, but Rodman will SHUTDOWN 3-5. Remember when AD dropped 36 on Dray? No way he's getting half of that on Rodman.

Yeah dennis really shut down Shaw Kemp didn't he? :rolleyes:

[MrFonzworth]

Yeah dennis really shut down Shaw Kemp didn't he? :rolleyes:

Fair enough, Kemp was stone cold. How about Rodman shutting down Mourning & Ewing on the way to finals?

[juju151111]

Playoffs is the only thing that actually matters, since it's a given they're both dominating the regular season

I know Klay is a weapon. I addressed that in my original post

The difference between Dray's defense and Rodman's is that Dray can GUARD 1-4, but Rodman will SHUTDOWN 3-5. Remember when AD dropped 36 on Dray? No way he's getting half of that on Rodman.
AD didn't drop 36 on Green. He dropped 36 on the Warriors. Anthony Davis shot like 41% with Draymond on him. Malone had big games vs Rodman and so did Shawn kemp. Stop your BS. Now show me the numbers on why you think Rodman is a better defender.

Klay is a weapon that makes them even more stack.

Playoffs can't be the only thing that matter. Take the whole year plus the playoffs. They won 73 games most ever. Got to be crazy stack.

[Smoke117]

Fair enough, Kemp was stone cold. How about Rodman shutting down Mourning & Ewing on the way to finals?

...Ewing scored more points on better efficiency against the bulls in that series than he did during the regular season, so Rodman didn't shut down anyone. As for Zo? He was a mental midget at this time.

[LostCause]

Interesting thing about Chicago is they could've gone to 73 or 74 wins if they wanted

Jordan led a pretty nice comeback in an otherwise ugly game by both teams with many players out or sitting (Pippen, Harper etc). 73 literally came on a call that usually doesn't get called with the game clock expiring, though it was definitely a foul

http://dai.ly/x2k84n1?start=5144

Difference between CHI and GSW is that GSW was actually trying to beat their record up into the last game. Chicago pretty much started coasting the last few games

[juju151111]

Interesting thing about Chicago is they could've gone to 73 or 74 wins if they wanted

Jordan led a pretty nice comeback in an otherwise ugly game by both teams with many players out or sitting (Pippen, Harper etc). 73 literally came on a call that usually doesn't get called with the game clock expiring, though it was definitely a foul

http://dai.ly/x2k84n1?start=5144

Difference between CHI and GSW is that GSW was actually trying to beat their record up into the last game. Chicago pretty much started coasting the last few games
Thats because they are the best team ever.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Interesting thing about Chicago is they could've gone to 73 or 74 wins if they wanted

Jordan led a pretty nice comeback in an otherwise ugly game by both teams with many players out or sitting (Pippen, Harper etc). 73 literally came on a call that usually doesn't get called with the game clock expiring, though it was definitely a foul

http://dai.ly/x2k84n1?start=5144

Difference between CHI and GSW is that GSW was actually trying to beat their record up into the last game. Chicago pretty much started coasting the last few games
Not only did they take their foot off the gas after 70 but of the few games they lost. A few of them were down to the wire.

Conversely GSW had a massive amount of close games and / or overtime games that they were lucky enough to just have an absurd record in ...

[Smoke117]

Actually, Scottie played through injuries just so they could chase the record...that's why he was all beat up in the playoffs...he refused to rest.

[jalbert009]

Warriors are more stacked hands down.

Longley & scrubs vs Varejao & Pachullia= Thats a wash
Rodman & scrubs vs Dray & David West = Warriors win this one and have the depth
Pippen & Kukoc vs Durant & Iguodala = Thats a wash Imo.
Jordan & Scrubs vs Klay & scrubs = Bulls
Harper & Kerr vs Curry & Livingston = Warriors

Each team had decent players from positions 1 to 4. Each team had good defenders and scorers but This Bulls team's core were all over 30 at the tail end of their primes and their depth was poor.

The Warriors Core are in well into their primes/peak surrounded by capable vets providing much better depth than the 96 Bulls. The Warriors have West rotating back up 4 and 5 with Iggy rotating back up 2 and 3. Thats insanely good depth rotations especially in the play offs.

For the record I was cheering for the Jazz back in the day and disliked the late 90s Bulls but it is absurd to say that The 96 Bulls are more stacked that the current Warriors.

[aj1987]

Lebrons Heat teams and certainly the 16 Cavs were as or more "stacked" than the Bulls. Since we're obviously not accounting for the fact some players were over the hill on the Bulls:

2013 and 2014 Heat: Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Chalmers
2016 Cavs: Lebron, Irving, Love, Jefferson, JR Smith, Tristian Thompson

Bron was 1/2 with that stacked Heat team and probably will be 1/2 with the stacked Cavs next season. The 17 Warriors obviously are more stacked than either of them
Over the hill is different from a year away from retirement. Allen, Jefferson, and Battier were old as dirt. Wade, Irving, and Love were injured.

Rio? :oldlol:

The '13 Heat, if injury free, would've completely destroyed every team in the PO's. The '14 Heat were just bad.

The other major difference is, the Bulls and Warriors had elite defensive players. The '13/'14 Heat and '16 Cavs didn't.

[Dragonyeuw]

Jordan, Harper, Rodman, Pippen, Kukoc & Kerr or Durant, Curry, Thompson, Green, Livingston & Iguodala?



Harper was a 32 year old defensive role player with bad knees

Kukoc was an above average European player, good shooter and ballhandling at his size, and soft as charmin

Kerr was an athletically limited roleplaying shooting specialist.

The Bulls had two top ten players, Jordan and Pippen, and a rejuvenated Rodman who from age lost much of his Pistons prime mobility.

The Warriors have two top 3 players in Durant and Curry, a borderline top 10 in Klay, a borderline top 15 in Dray and two guys in Livingston and Iggy who could start on a number of teams. Who sounds more stacked?

[guy]

It's not as simple as that.

Pippen, Jordan, Harper & Rodman were all elite tier defenders & passers in their respective positions even if the Warriors players are slightly better scoring wise. It evens things up more.

Slightly? :oldlol:

[Dragonyeuw]

It's not as simple as that.

Pippen, Jordan, Harper & Rodman were all elite tier defenders & passers in their respective positions even if the Warriors players are slightly better scoring wise. It evens things up more.

Those two players weren't offensive factors on those Bulls teams. The Warriors are slightly better scoring-wise? Durant, Curry, Klay are 3 of the best shooters in the history of the game. Pippen wasn't great offensively in the 2nd 3peat either. Defense and leadership at elite levels was Pippen's MO between 96 and 98, especially in the playoffs.

[iamgine]

By impact in their role:

Jordan > Curry/Durant

Pippen < Curry/Durant

Rodman > Draymond

Harper << Klay

Kukoc > Iggy

Kerr > Livingston

[TrueBlue89]

Those two players weren't offensive factors on those Bulls teams. The Warriors are slightly better scoring-wise? Durant, Curry, Klay are 3 of the best shooters in the history of the game. Pippen wasn't great offensively in the 2nd 3peat either. Defense and leadership at elite levels was Pippen's MO between 96 and 98, especially in the playoffs.
96 Bulls are the only team in NBA history to have 3 players make the All-NBA 1st teams. You're underrating the stars on that team & the supporting cast for some reason.

[Dragonyeuw]

96 Bulls are the only team in NBA history to have 3 players make the All-NBA 1st teams. You're underrating the stars on that team & the supporting cast for some reason.

No I'm not, you're overrating them for some reason and underrating the Warriors. Ron Harper in 1996 was far removed from his glory years as a high-scoring guard. He was a role player, not remotely close to a star.

Rodman was an elite rebounder and post defender, and a non-factor on offense. Draymond is a far more versatile talent than 96 Rodman( or prime Rodman, for that matter. Not quite the tenacious defender and obviously not the rebounder, but certainly a superior 2 way player).

Pippen wasn't that great offensively in the playoffs between 96-98 due to aging/injuries: look up his production. He was elite in the areas of defense/leadership/ playmaking those years. Do you realize that 96 Pippen would be the 4th best offensive player on the 17 Warriors? It's not underrating, or revisionism. You're on record as saying the Warriors are only 'slightly' better offensively. That's the damn joke. The 16 Warriors starting lineup accounted for 83.3 ppg. The Bulls starting lineup accounted for 71.8ppg. Now replace Barnes in the lineup with Durant, who has a career average of 17ppg higher than Barnes, add that to Curry, Klay, and Dray, and then tell me they're only 'slightly' better offensively.

Bogut was a better defensive presence than Longley.

Livingston did alot more than Kerr outside of range shooting.

Kukoc's production doesn't overcome the tandem of Barnes and Igudola.

Do I need to go on?

[Bankaii]

Lebrons Heat teams and certainly the 16 Cavs were as or more "stacked" than the Bulls. Since we're obviously not accounting for the fact some players were over the hill on the Bulls:

2013 and 2014 Heat: Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Chalmers
2016 Cavs: Lebron, Irving, Love, Jefferson, JR Smith, Tristian Thompson

Bron was 1/2 with that stacked Heat team and probably will be 1/2 with the stacked Cavs next season. The 17 Warriors obviously are more stacked than either of them
Are you a troll or just really dumb?

[LostCause]

Over the hill is different from a year away from retirement. Allen, Jefferson, and Battier were old as dirt. Wade, Irving, and Love were injured.

I didn't include 2015 due to those injuries, just 16 and I see them losing next season

As for the specific players, Harper barely played 2 seasons after the Bulls championship runs (159 games over 3 seasons since 98), Rodman 2 (He was 34 on the 96 Bulls, 1 year younger than Jefferson was last season and 1 older than Battier when he came to Miami)

Wade's 2014 Finals were absolutely worse than any of Pippens but Pippen was struggling mightily during those championship runs as well


Rio? :oldlol:

Chalmers in 13 had a bigger impact than Kerr in any series (and was also more efficient), so if Kerr is being mentioned for the Bulls having a stacked roster Chalmers should as well


The '13 Heat, if injury free, would've completely destroyed every team in the PO's. The '14 Heat were just bad.

Well the 13 Heat won the ring, so in the end they did what they were supposed to. I'm only pointing out that if you'd call the 96 Bulls team stacked, why not do the same for the Heat that year


The other major difference is, the Bulls and Warriors had elite defensive players. The '13/'14 Heat and '16 Cavs didn't.

Indeed, but the Cavs of 16 had greater offensive firepower than any of those Bulls teams. Kyrie in 16 has been far better than Pippen in any of the 96-98 runs offensively, and Love is a clearly better offensive player than Rodman or Kukoc ever were. Jordan is better than Bron offensively but I doubt it offsets the differences Kyrie and Love create

The Warriors, imo, just blow them both out of the water for offensive firepower AND defensive ability.


Are you a troll or just really dumb?

Clearly you need this (http://thoughtcatalog.com/madison-moore/2012/10/you-dont-need-to-be-insecure/)

[aj1987]

I didn't include 2015 due to those injuries, just 16 and I see them losing next season

As for the specific players, Harper barely played 2 seasons after the Bulls championship runs (159 games over 3 seasons since 98), Rodman 2 (He was 34 on the 96 Bulls, 1 year younger than Jefferson was last season and 1 older than Battier when he came to Miami)

Wade's 2014 Finals were absolutely worse than any of Pippens but Pippen was struggling mightily during those championship runs as well

Chalmers in 13 had a bigger impact than Kerr in any series (and was also more efficient), so if Kerr is being mentioned for the Bulls having a stacked roster Chalmers should as well

Well the 13 Heat won the ring, so in the end they did what they were supposed to. I'm only pointing out that if you'd call the 96 Bulls team stacked, why not do the same for the Heat that year

Indeed, but the Cavs of 16 had greater offensive firepower than any of those Bulls teams. Kyrie in 16 has been far better than Pippen in any of the 96-98 runs offensively, and Love is a clearly better offensive player than Rodman or Kukoc ever were. Jordan is better than Bron offensively but I doubt it offsets the differences Kyrie and Love create

The Warriors, imo, just blow them both out of the water for offensive firepower AND defensive ability.
I get what you're trying to say and I agree with you that OP is a dumb****, but the '96 Bulls and '16 Warriors are more stacked than any of LeBron's teams.

1. Wade was injured in the '13 PO's and was just bad in the EC series. Bosh was terrible as well, on both ends of the court. How can you be a stacked team when you barely squeak past the Pacers. I would agree with you, if Wade was healthy and Bosh played like he did in the RS.

2. Rio was a starter and played over 30 minutes a game for the Heat. Kerr barely played 20. Dude was also a complete knucklehead. Literally every Heat fan (except RRR3) wanted him gone.

3. Love and Irving were injured this season as well. Irving was dealing with foot issues and Love had a concussion, which limited him and caused him to miss a game as well.

4. You're undervaluing defense. The Bulls were amazing defensively, thanks to MJ, Rodman, and Pippen (also a couple of other role-players). The Cavs' best defensive player was LeBron and the rest were not even close to being elite defensively. The Cavs were an average defensive team (10th in the league).

[Sarcastic]

In terms of stackedness:

2017 Warriors > 2011 Heat > 1996 Bulls

[Smoke117]

In terms of stackedness:

2017 Warriors > 2011 Heat > 1996 Bulls

lol...outside of the big three the 2011 heat were mediocre at best.

[aj1987]

lol...outside of the big three the 2011 heat were mediocre at best.
Mediocre? They were flat out garbage.

[Bankaii]

Clearly you need this (http://thoughtcatalog.com/madison-moore/2012/10/you-dont-need-to-be-insecure/)
Insecurity has nothing to do with it.

Anyone that calls the 2014 Heat stacked just by simply listing names (including freaking Chalmers:oldlol:) either didn't watch them at all or is just retarded.

Starting to think it's a mixture of both in your case.

[NBAGOAT]

in terms of how most people view talent, the Bulls aren't even top 3 all time stacked wise. Celtics, Lakers, and even the 83 Sixers. Most people still say the Bulls are the GOAT team. Still defensive ability is part of talent level and the Bulls are the best defensive team out of any of those teams. Did not have one minus defender in their starting five and everyone but Longley is considered a great defender at their position. Ik MJ guys wanna say MJ's edge over guys like Bird, Magic, Lebron, or Curry singlehandedly puts the Bulls over those teams but it's not that simple.

[LostCause]

Anyone that calls the 2014 Heat stacked just by simply listing names (including freaking Chalmers:oldlol:) either didn't watch them at all or is just retarded.

Starting to think it's a mixture of both in your case.

If you're too inept to understand this, then that's on you, because I clearly said it in that very post

As for Chalmers, here's a hint: Kerr was listed. Chalmers was a much better Finals performer in 13 than Kerr in any Bulls Finals by nearly every metric.

Maybe it clicks for you now. If not, I can dumb it down more

[Bankaii]

If you're too inept to understand this, then that's on you, because I clearly said it in that very post

As for Chalmers, here's a hint: Kerr was listed. Chalmers was a much better Finals performer in 13 than Kerr in any Bulls Finals by nearly every metric.

Maybe it clicks for you now. If not, I can dumb it down more
You have actual Heat fans in here saying they aren't stacked.
You and Kobetards are the only people dumb enough to call them stacked.
Go YouTube the playoffs that year, it's pretty obvious you never watched them before.

[LostCause]

You have actual Heat fans in here saying they aren't stacked.

I care why?


You and Kobetards are the only people dumb enough to call them stacked.

Clearly I have to dumb it down, so I'll go ahead and do that. OP listed some players on the 96 Bulls who were minor contributors and over-the-hill.

The players I listed had comparable impact to the ones listed in the OP. In 2013 especially. 2014 they had a drop-off but with the same dude's I don't see how that makes them less stacked than they were in 2013. Age/Impact werent accounted for in the OP, so neither were they in me listing the same players for 2014 despite their age/impact increasing/decreasing respectively

Hopefully I don't have to explain this again



Go YouTube the playoffs that year, it's pretty obvious you never watched them before.

Funny thing is I can actually say that, and it be true, about you and the Bulls

[Bankaii]

I care why?



Clearly I have to dumb it down, so I'll go ahead and do that. OP listed some players on the 96 Bulls who were minor contributors and over-the-hill.

The players I listed had comparable impact to the ones listed in the OP. In 2013 especially. 2014 they had a drop-off but with the same dude's I don't see how that makes them less stacked than they were in 2013. Age/Impact werent accounted for in the OP, so neither were they in me listing the same players for 2014 despite their age/impact increasing/decreasing respectively

Hopefully I don't have to explain this again




Funny thing is I can actually say that, and it be true, about you and the Bulls
So you made a shit post in response to a shit post. Got it.
I'll just mark you down with the other trolls. Run along now, bud.

[NBAGOAT]

If you're too inept to understand this, then that's on you, because I clearly said it in that very post

As for Chalmers, here's a hint: Kerr was listed. Chalmers was a much better Finals performer in 13 than Kerr in any Bulls Finals by nearly every metric.

Maybe it clicks for you now. If not, I can dumb it down more

we're talking about 14 however where Chalmers did just as little however. If we're using just Finals performances to define value, then Wade wasn't even all star level in the 2014 Finals which obviously affects how stacked Miami is. 13 has a case but there was just a dropoff from 13 to 14 for almost everyone on the team. It's the same reason no one considers the 98 Bulls one of the GOAT teams even though their roster is basically the same as 96. Players don't play at the same level anymore and it can change fast.

[LostCause]

So you made a shit post in response to a shit post. Got it.

I made a post responding to the OP using the same criterion OP used, ignoring the same criterion OP ignored



I'll just mark you down with the other trolls. Run along now, bud.

Keep it classy girl :violin: