Why is Mexico allowed to wall off the Guatemalans? Isn't that racist apartheid?

[Nick Young]

Surely the Guatamalans illegally crossing the border deserve a chance at a better life. Mexico is racist for walling off its southern border. All undocumented migrants from Guatamala deserve Mexican citizenship, simply for the fact that they do.

http://www.snopes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/guatemala-border-fence.jpg

Why is Mexico allowed to have a racist wall of apartheid on its southern border?

Why do Mexicans hate Guatemalans?

[NumberSix]

Because "Mexican guilt" doesn't exist.

[9erempiree]

Mexico thought they were apart of us by fencing off their southern border till reality set in that we want a wall.

Scorned lover.

We actually send them money to build it.

[Patrick Chewing]

Surely the Guatamalans illegally crossing the border deserve a chance at a better life. Mexico is racist for walling off its southern border. All undocumented migrants from Guatamala deserve Mexican citizenship, simply for the fact that they do.

http://www.snopes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/guatemala-border-fence.jpg

Why is Mexico allowed to have a racist wall of apartheid on its southern border?

Why do Mexicans hate Guatemalans?



http://i.imgur.com/hzWr5Tm.gif

[TheMan]

https://youtu.be/JFoXDD0FDE0

[JtotheIzzo]

Emma Lazarus was not Mexican.

[sd3035]

The pic in the OP is the American border with Mexico in Arizona

The Mexico-Guatemala border is a tropical jungle

[sd3035]

This is the actual Mexican border in the south

http://static.obrasweb.mx/thumb/2014/07/30/mexico-guatemala_659x460.jpg

[highwhey]

Surely the Guatamalans illegally crossing the border deserve a chance at a better life. Mexico is racist for walling off its southern border. All undocumented migrants from Guatamala deserve Mexican citizenship, simply for the fact that they do.

http://www.snopes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/guatemala-border-fence.jpg

Why is Mexico allowed to have a racist wall of apartheid on its southern border?

Why do Mexicans hate Guatemalans?

you're such a dumbfvck.

that image is the border between southeast Arizona and Mexico per the photographer Matt Clark.

source:
http://www.defendersblog.org/2013/06/on-the-line-walls-waivers-and-wildlife/

[highwhey]

"americans for common sense"

so american they can't even identify the southwest american landscape.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMan]

"americans for common sense"

so american they can't even identify the southwest american landscape.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Common sense, facts, the truth...meh, Nick Young gives no fukks about none of that.

[TheWinningFam]

Thread backfire :roll: :roll: :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

you're such a dumbfvck.

that image is the border between southeast Arizona and Mexico per the photographer Matt Clark.

source:
http://www.defendersblog.org/2013/06/on-the-line-walls-waivers-and-wildlife/

lol

[warriorfan]

OP is special ed

[Canelo_Griffin]

Chiapas/Guatemala border is a ****ing rainforest ffs :facepalm

[Nick Young]

Walls are racist, no matter where they are geographically.

The jungle wall on the Guatemalan border is akin to apartheid in South Africa. This borderline genocidal discrimination against the noble Guatemalan people at the hands of Mexico's racist government needs to end.

[Canelo_Griffin]

Walls are racist, no matter where they are geographically.

The jungle wall on the Guatemalan border is akin to apartheid in South Africa. This borderline genocidal discrimination against the noble Guatemalan people at the hands of Mexico's racist government needs to end.

Difference is that maybe the Mexican Government might be stringent with their wall policy but the average Mexican citizen can give 2 ****s about "illegal" central Americans.
In the US we have losers like Akrozizole (?) and you who draws ****ing sloths for a living (****ing sloths!) bitching about illegal immigrants like they have any impact on your daily life. You Xenophobic p.o.s

[TheMan]

In b4 predictable "shookening" response and same gif used one hundred times before

[warriorfan]

Can someone help Nick Young refill his medication? Thank you.

[iamgine]

Illegal immigrants, regardless of whether they benefit the country or not, should be deported.

But people ask, "what about those people who are already here for generations? What about the kids? Isn't it cruel to just deport them?"

The answer is, yes they should be deported regardless of cruelty. And yes, children of illegal immigrants should also all be deported and the dumb law about 'baby born in USA is automatically a US citizen' should be changed immediately.

I feel this is a simple and reasonable measure.

[Canelo_Griffin]

Illegal immigrants, regardless of whether they benefit the country or not, should be deported.

But people ask, "what about those people who are already here for generations? What about the kids? Isn't it cruel to just deport them?"

The answer is, yes they should be deported regardless of cruelty. And yes, children of illegal immigrants should also all be deported and the dumb law about 'baby born in USA is automatically a US citizen' should be changed immediately.

I feel this is a simple and reasonable measure.

While I agree with this sentiment, in my experience the vast majority of people who are most vocal about anti-illegal immigration are doing it straight out of xenophobia. If most Mexicans were a bunch of lightskinned tall people no one would give a ****. If people really give a shit about the economy we should instead complain about our ebt and welfare system. I would rather have people in MY country who are here to actually work and stimulate local economies than people sitting around, not contributing waiting for their freebies. I do strongly believe, however, that illegal immigrants shouldn't qualify for ebt and welfare, even if they have US born kids . This would actually weed out the minority that comes to this country to solely leach and not contribute.
Anyway don't feel like these types of discussions lead anywhere so those are just my opinions .

[Kblaze8855]

Illegal immigrants, regardless of whether they benefit the country or not, should be deported.

But people ask, "what about those people who are already here for generations? What about the kids? Isn't it cruel to just deport them?"

The answer is, yes they should be deported regardless of cruelty. And yes, children of illegal immigrants should also all be deported and the dumb law about 'baby born in USA is automatically a US citizen' should be changed immediately.

I feel this is a simple and reasonable measure.

Feeling its simple doesnt mean it is. You would have to go into the 14th amendment and do some tinkering and maybe straight up go for ratification of a 28th amendment....fight in the courts for a decade or more....and you better hope it works its way through the courts that quickly.

By 2040 160 million Americans will be first generation immigrants or the citizen children of them.

The window for this to get done is closing fast. You need 38 states to sign off. How many blue ones would? Its hard t oget 38 states to agree on anything.

It took 202 years to ratify the 27th amendment.....and that mostly concerned congress not being able to give itself raises that took effect immediately. And if you think thats a common sense one everyone should have sided with...

Mississippi didnt actually ratify the amendment that ended slavery till 2013....

They finally passed a vote to do it in 1995(as if that isnt bad enough)....but they didnt actually file the paperwork till 2013.

A state would not attach its name to the amendment that outlawed slavery...till 3 years ago.

You think this goes down without a fight?

Altering the constitution in such a way would be a fight even if most people wanted it done. And as I said....given the direction things are heading? Im not sure most would in a few years.

[Kblaze8855]

And I bet you would get an unexpected opponent if you tried. Might the NRA come out against any votes to alter the constitution in fears that its a slippery slope leading to discussion on the second amendment?

[NumberSix]

And I bet you would get an unexpected opponent if you tried. Might the NRA come out against any votes to alter the constitution in fears that its a slippery slope leading to discussion on the second amendment?
Why do you assume that an amendment is necessary to deny birthright citizenship to illegals?

[Kblaze8855]

Just feels like #14....



Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Would be quite difficult to sidestep. Impossible? Maybe not. But tough. You would be fighting it forever without something solid to settle the matter.

Executive order with a friendly supreme court might not even do it long term.

[iamgine]

Simple as in...clear cut and easy to understand.

Not simple as in...easy to implement. Nothing is ever simple with that.

[kurple]

Illegal immigrants, regardless of whether they benefit the country or not, should be deported.

But people ask, "what about those people who are already here for generations? What about the kids? Isn't it cruel to just deport them?"

The answer is, yes they should be deported regardless of cruelty. And yes, children of illegal immigrants should also all be deported and the dumb law about 'baby born in USA is automatically a US citizen' should be changed immediately.

I feel this is a simple and reasonable measure.
They should deport everyone that isnt native american IMO.

Acting like your country isnt built on illegal immigrants

[NumberSix]

Just feels like #14....




Would be quite difficult to sidestep. Impossible? Maybe not. But tough. You would be fighting it forever without something solid to settle the matter.

Executive order with a friendly supreme court might not even do it long term.
Are illegals subject to the jurisdiction of the United States or are they subject the the jurisdiction of their own government?

[NumberSix]

They should deport everyone that isnt native american IMO.

Acting like your country isnt built on illegal immigrants
Wow, what an original argument. Such a fresh new take. I've never thought of that. This changes everything.

[iamgine]

They should deport everyone that isnt native american IMO.

Acting like your country isnt built on illegal immigrants
It was no illegal immigration. It was a conquest. Veni vidi vici or something like that.

[CeltsGarlic]

This is the actual Mexican border in the south

http://static.obrasweb.mx/thumb/2014/07/30/mexico-guatemala_659x460.jpg


This is so beautiful makes my head spin

[kurple]

Wow, what an original argument. Such a fresh new take. I've never thought of that. This changes everything.
Is it not true tho?

[kurple]

It was no illegal immigration. It was a conquest. Veni vidi vici or something like that.
What would you feel if i said i dont give a shit and threw you out? Because thats what you wanted to do to the childeren of illegal immigrants born in the states


What make you more American than them?

[iamgine]

What would you feel if i said i dont give a shit and threw you out? Because thats what you wanted to do to the childeren of illegal immigrants born in the states


What make you more American than them?
This is not about something vague like 'who is more american'. This is about deporting illegal immigrants.

[kurple]

Define illegal, because i might be wrong but doesnt the fact that they were born in the states make them americans. Nothing illegal about that

[iamgine]

if they are legal then that's fine.

[kurple]

Doesnt the law say that you are legal if you were born there?

[iamgine]

Illegal immigrants, regardless of whether they benefit the country or not, should be deported.

But people ask, "what about those people who are already here for generations? What about the kids? Isn't it cruel to just deport them?"

The answer is, yes they should be deported regardless of cruelty. And yes, children of illegal immigrants should also all be deported and the dumb law about 'baby born in USA is automatically a US citizen' should be changed immediately.

I feel this is a simple and reasonable measure.

[brownmamba00]

you're such a dumbfvck.

that image is the border between southeast Arizona and Mexico per the photographer Matt Clark.

source:
http://www.defendersblog.org/2013/06/on-the-line-walls-waivers-and-wildlife/
:roll:

nick young is a hack

[Ass Dan]

Aren't you from pornoland somewhere in the valley Nick?

Shouldn't you be smart enough to recognize that you were mislead.

I guess you might actually be mental.

[Kblaze8855]

Are illegals subject to the jurisdiction of the United States or are they subject the the jurisdiction of their own government?

Thats exactly why I said it may not be impossible. That part is the key. It was never intended to be used the way it is....the whole thing was covering what to do about the citizenship of slaves. And there is a bit that was added later that denies citizenship to certain non Americans. An ambassadors child for example....born here. Not a citizen. Um...lets say Canada invades the US. A female soldier gets pregnant...has the child on our soil in war time...kid isnt a citizen. There are a few rules like that the courts have fought over for 150 years.

Plus...you run into 5th amendment issues which doesnt say citizens...it says persons. Meaning...you still have to give due process of some kind even to illegals so long as they arent prisoners of war. If you first tried to rescind citizenship to the many millions this would impact...you still have to process them legally....which would probably be put on hold while it worked its way through the courts. But lets say it did....due process to millions...takes how long?

Best case...you tie up state, federal, and the supreme court for longer than whoever tried to get it done would be in office to begin with.

You can read opinions from lawyers and judges on both sides of the issue. Many think it would take a constitutional amendment...and maybe 2 of them...which would have waaaaaaaaaaaaay further reaching consequences than would be intended. Some think we should just say **** the law and do what needs doing like Lincoln during the civil war.....

Either way...it isnt easy. To settle the matter? Really...get it over and done with? You would need the 38 states to force the supreme court to let such a thing go unchallenged. And even if it did...people would still sue. The wording is too tricky. Plain text readings vs....spirit of the words...context.

You would always have grounds to challenge it till they flat out changed the words and made the reasons part of the amendment.

[Nick Young]

What make you more American than them?
Legal citizenship and the law.

[NumberSix]

Doesnt the law say that you are legal if you were born there?
No. There is no law. It's assumed to be the law, but there's no actual law.

Being from Norway (I think you said that's where you're from) you might not understand that concept because that is something that only exists in the English law system which America inherited from the British Empire, but that's the way it is.

[NumberSix]

Plus...you run into 5th amendment issues which doesnt say citizens...it says persons. Meaning...you still have to give due process of some kind even to illegals so long as they arent prisoners of war.
Yes, due process. Is the process that is due to an illegal the exact same as the process that would be due to a citizen?

If Russia tries to invade the US and some Russian soldiers are captured on US soil, are they due the exact same legal process as a citizen? Obviously not.

Illegals have a right to due process, but there's no reason to think that the legal process for illegals and citizens are the same. I would say an illegal is due an opportunity to demonstrate that they are in the country legally. That's about the extent of the process that they are due.


If you first tried to rescind citizenship to the many millions this would impact...you still have to process them legally....which would probably be put on hold while it worked its way through the courts. But lets say it did....due process to millions...takes how long?
Nobody is suggesting stripping citizenship from people that already have them. That would be totally unacceptable.

[Kblaze8855]

Yes, due process. Is the process that is due to an illegal the exact same as the process that would be due to a citizen?

If Russia tries to invade the US and some Russian soldiers are captured on US soil, are they due the exact same legal process as a citizen? Obviously not.

Illegals have a right to due process, but there's no reason to think that the legal process for illegals and citizens are the same. I would say an illegal is due an opportunity to demonstrate that they are in the country legally. That's about the extent of the process that they are due.


Nobody is suggesting stripping citizenship from people that already have them. That would be totally unacceptable.


So:



Illegal immigrants, regardless of whether they benefit the country or not, should be deported.

But people ask, "what about those people who are already here for generations? What about the kids? Isn't it cruel to just deport them?"

The answer is, yes they should be deported regardless of cruelty. And yes, children of illegal immigrants should also all be deported and the dumb law about 'baby born in USA is automatically a US citizen' should be changed immediately.

Isnt talking about stripping citizenship from people who already have it(the children in question/people here for generations)?

Hes who I was replying to in the first place.

People are saying exactly what I spoke on...and I was explaining some of the obvious complications.

[DukeDelonte13]

No. There is no law. It's assumed to be the law, but there's no actual law.

Being from Norway (I think you said that's where you're from) you might not understand that concept because that is something that only exists in the English law system which America inherited from the British Empire, but that's the way it is.



Citizenship by birthright is described in the 14th amendment.

[Dresta]

Citizenship by birthright is described in the 14th amendment.
People who are in the country illegally have not made themselves "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

It is historically ignorant to claim that the 14th Amendment grants citizenship to anyone born in the US: that Amendment was specifically about nationalising citizenship and rights; prior to this Amendment, you were a citizen of your State, not of the United States; all the rights of the Constitution only applied to the limitation of the Federal Government, and State law was supreme when it came to the internal affairs of the State; it extended the protection of the Bill of Rights to the State Governments. To pretend that this now applies to illegals who cross the border and give birth in America, is to stretch the boundaries of logic and reason to breaking point: only an historically illiterate person could take such an argument seriously.

[NumberSix]

People who are in the country illegally have not made themselves "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

It is historically ignorant to claim that the 14th Amendment grants citizenship to anyone born in the US: that Amendment was specifically about nationalising citizenship and rights; prior to this Amendment, you were a citizen of your State, not of the United States; all the rights of the Constitution only applied to the limitation of the Federal Government, and State law was supreme when it came to the internal affairs of the State; it extended the protection of the Bill of Rights to the State Governments. To pretend that this now applies to illegals who cross the border and give birth in America, is to stretch the boundaries of logic and reason to breaking point: only an historically illiterate person could take such an argument seriously.
But, what if some aliens from the next galaxy invade earth and some aliens are born in an Iowa corn field or something? Do they get citizenship?