2016 pre-season!

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here we go finally!

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4400471-155/utah-jazz-everybody-knows-i-want

[QUOTE]Gobert believes the strength he added to his frame will make him a greater threat on the offensive glass.

"Basketball is a pretty simple game

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4400326-155/utah-jazz-great-expectations-surround-jazz


Guys have to remember that winning and the team are paramount. There are going to be a lot of factors that go into lineups and matchups. Our group understands that."

we'll see!

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http://saltcityhoops.com/staff-scrimmage-camp-kick-off/



The wing rotation feels clear (Hill, Hood and Hayward start, backed up by Exum, Burks and Johnson,)

Considering how good Mack and to a lesser extent Neto were I don't see it being that clear.


but the big rotation much less so. Assuredly Derrick Favors and Gobert will start, but will Quin Snyder pull one relatively early to stretch the floor and ensure one of them is always playing?

I'd guess he won;t worry about it as much as last year but it depends on how the reserves play together. Booker/Lyles sucked together!


Will Lyles play see 20-25 minutes as third big, or will Boris Diaw, um, eat into them? Is Jeff Withey (who advanced stats loved last year) assured a spot as the fourth big who anchors the second unit defense?

Withey won't play! Deal him!


Imagine if Jeff Withey came out with his usual impressive defense and was hitting consistent mid-range jumpers.

hit them last year better than any big not named Lyles

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/09/26/utah-jazz-media-day-trey-lyles/


According to Lyles, a primary objective this summer has been to change his body. In addition to his skill work, the second-year pro has been swimming and working extensively with weights. He has also assembled a close-knit team of experts to help him along the way.

Good! He certainly needed to at least get toned.

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/09/26/utah-jazz-media-day-jeff-withey-working-on-the-corner-three/

That could be huge!

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/09/26/utah-jazz-media-day-dante-exum/

[QUOTE]

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/09/26/utah-jazz-media-day-rodney-hood/


While Hood considers himself equal to the challenge and is coming off a summer in which he worked hard on his game with teammate Shelvin Mack in Atlanta

That's interesting. He didn't play well with Mack last year and they could be fighting for time ultimately

[QUOTE]

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41633895&nid=304&title=faces-new-and-old-highlight-jazz-media-day


He's 6-6, long, his shot has started to develop a lot now, he can get to the basket, very good court vision.

encouraging


Hood, by the way, is excited to have Johnson around. "It's a great feeling to have that mentor type of guy that I haven't had for my first couple years," Hood said.


Who needs mentors when you can have all young guys! :facepalm


Shelvin Mack, too, raved about the example of Johnson. Hood, Mack and Johnson all worked out together in Atlanta during the summer, where they saw firsthand the effort it requires from Johnson to stay strong going into his 16th year in the NBA.


Maybe Shelvin can actually play with these guys after all? :rolleyes:

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[QUOTE]Jody Genessy: Jazz coach Quin Snyder said it

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41643255&nid=304&title=alec-burks-not-100-percent-and-more-notes-from-jazzs-first-practice


"I got in the paint multiple times this session during the scrimmages. The biggest thing for me once I get in the paint is trying to finish. And once I get back down and get back up."

And when he does stay out on the perimeter, he says he's a much better shooter than before the injury. "Oh yeah. 100 percent."

:applause:


With so many quality players competing for minutes, though, "I'm going to make a bad decision, and hopefully I'll make as little of them as I can."

After the Withey debacle I'm worried.

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http://*********.com/2016/09/06/nba-season-preview-utah-jazz/

[QUOTE]How much can Dante Exum bring to the table after one year sidelined due to injury?

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http://saltcityhoops.com/staff-scrimmage-rotation-guesses/

[QUOTE]The Jazz definitely want it to be Lyles, but I think there

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http://uproxx.com/dimemag/utah-jazz-making-leap-2016-17/


While Neto certainly showed flashes of promise, he was an extremely low-usage player who kind of looked like he was just trying to not screw up.

I think that's more on the coaches. When they let him run the offense he looked good. Perfect role player.

[QUOTE]With Hill, the Jazz have a calm, steady hand at the position. Hill

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The Jazz are not hosting an open scrimmage for fans as they've done in the past. …
lame!

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865663373/No-more-baby-talk-Jazz-must-advance-now-or-never.html


Dante Exum is still largely untested, but George Hill is the answer to that.

as are many players


But were the Jazz to flop, it would be risky for him to stay in Utah.

Could be stupid to give him max money if he can't get you to the playoffs still really. :confusedshrug:

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4404005-155/utah-jazz-notes-in-his-third


The offense has to be connected to the defense. Good defense has to lead to good offense.

Which is the main reason why Dante has to prove he can play offensively. They certainly have some guys that are questionable on the defensive side too so I don't see how Mack and Exum can be ruled out either.

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/09/27/jazz-media-day-newcomer-hill-brings-optimism-confidence/


Skill-wise, he will be an enormous step up from recent Jazz point guards.

other than the 3 and D I'd say Mack and Neto are more skilled

[QUOTE]So for the select few that still weren

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865663462/Dante-Exum-100-percent-excited-and-ready-to-go-for-Utah-Jazz.html

[QUOTE]The hope would be that he would get better even though he

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[QUOTE] Last year, Burke didn

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[QUOTE]Charles F. Gardner: Visitors at practice Wed. included former UW coach Dick Bennett and Utah Jazz legend John Stockton. Coach Jason Kidd invited Stockton to camp.

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Aaron Falk: Joe Johnson: This is my 16th season, man

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bdl-25-expect-the-utah-jazz-to-take-a-big-leap-forward-053126838.html


Holdovers like Raul Neto and Shelvin Mack played too many minutes last year but should be more able to contribute because of it this year, too.

If Mack had been on the team all year they probably take at least 5th :rolleyes:

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http://saltcityhoops.com/staff-scrimmage-contract-decisions-loom/

[QUOTE]Would the Jazz offer that contract, which might cost them Exum or Rodney Hood, based primarily on the anticipated impact of Hill? I don

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Jody Genessy: Per Jazz PR, Quincy Ford is undergoing evaluation by the training staff after a blow to the head. No PM practice for him. Day-to-day.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4413182-155/utah-jazz-derrick-favors-is-all

[QUOTE]Those numbers suggest ex-Jazz general manager Kevin O'Connor was right.

After the trade with New Jersey, O'Connor said the Jazz ranked Favors as the top player in the 2010 draft

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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/if-the-jazz-are-to-live-up-to-their-top-5-hype-first-they-must-control-it/


Throw in a healthy Exum and Burks and you now run 11 or 12 deep on this roster, and actually have more of a problem finding minutes for all of the talent at Quin Snyder's disposal.

I'd say they have 13 rotation caliber players with Exum's status pending until I actually see it on the court.


I don't think we were skipping steps by any means."

Getting rid of Burke last year and replacing him with a vet would have been skipping steps? :banghead:

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http://saltcityhoops.com/derrick-favors-better-than-you-think-he-is/


The Jazz should absolutely prioritize finding ways for Favors to get these kinds of to-the-hoop touches.

agreed but he has to be able to hit a shot out there too if the roll isn't there.

[QUOTE]Favors ranks in the top 20 in Nylon Calculus

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http://saltcityhoops.com/staff-scrimmage-awards-and-honors-watch/

[QUOTE]this is still a team that didn

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/09/29/utah-jazz-roster-spot-battles/


Second-round draft pick Tyrone Wallace is not on the training camp roster, but will likely begin his professional career in the Jazz system with the Salt Lake City Stars.

hasn't signed elsewhere so that's what I've figured.


Fellow second-round pick Marcus Paige, along with Eric Dawson will probably end up there as well. From where I sit, they are the most unlikely players to make the cut.

I could see Dawson. They don't like Withey and he should have trade value. I thought they might move Alec too but now that he's not playing in the pre-season that may be put on hold. Could still see Hood going.

[QUOTE]He moved from Atlanta partially because he was the third point guard, and that

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[QUOTE] Aaron Falk: Jazz forward Quincy Ford was cleared to play and went through practice in full this morning. He hit his head yesterday

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865663637/Utah-Jazz-Bolomboy-determined-to-make-good-on-his-goal-to-make-it-in-NBA.html


"I've hit the weights really hard; I've gained a couple pounds, worked on my athleticism, to be honest. My vertical (leap) has increased just a little bit, my body, my balance, my jump shot, my footwork, my touch -- I've worked on just about anything you can think of.

needs to get stronger for sure

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41669192&nid=304&title=who-is-standing-out-during-jazz-training-camp


This year, though, Snyder says the team has players who are much more comfortable with attacking, especially at the point guard position. That should make the Jazz's offense faster in the half court.

hope he's including Mack in that. :confusedshrug:

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41682798&nid=304&title=jazz-thrill-students-at-granger-high-school-with-surprise-scrimmage


But the highlight was definitely at the end, when Favors hit two consecutive threes. The first, from the top of the arc, was a scramble situation after an out-of-bounds play with a quickly shrinking shot clock. The second, though, was a set play for Favors to take the outside look from the elbow, and he swished that one too. If that's a weapon for Favors, it gives the Jazz some really interesting spacing possibilities.

love to see him hit a perimeter shot period after last year's horrendous shooting display


Exum played his first game outside of the friendly confines of Zions Bank Basketball Center for the first time in 14 months, and looked okay. He too easily was steered baseline and towards the corners of the court, which often resulted in turnovers. He missed two jumpers from the elbow, as well as a corner shot. He did seem more aggressive in the open court, but the offense didn't flow very well out there when he ran it. He did try to deliver an alley-oop pass to Hayward, which was intercepted by Joe Johnson.

Doesn't sound like he's one of their top 10 guys to me. If he's not and he plays it's a joke.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4418377-155/utah-jazz-point-guard-a-point


Exum's first public action since his ACL injury, the 20-year-old Aussie saw his first two shots clang off the iron and a third, a 3-pointer from the corner, miss the rim entirely.

better than Neto and Mack? :rolleyes:


Hill is arguably the Jazz's best point guard threat since Deron Williams

Still don't see him as a better playmaker than Mack or Neto.

[QUOTE]Hill, Mack and Exum

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4414674-155/utah-jazz-team-surprises-granger-high


Hill and Shelvin Mack both stood out with their guard play.

First we've heard of Mack. Hard to imagine he isn't one of their top players still though.

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865663715/Utah-Jazz-hold-surprise-scrimmage-at-Granger-High-School.html

[QUOTE]Hood was happy to be able to end the scrimmage with

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/09/30/slam-top-50-underrates-utah-jazz-players/

[QUOTE]Let

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[QUOTE]The Hawks waived forward Richard Solomon on Saturday. The move trims the training camp roster to 19 players. However, the Hawks are likely to add a guard to the roster soon. They are thin at the guard position with Dennis Schroder nursing an ankle injury and Jarrett Jack being brought along slowly from a torn ACL. The Hawks had an excess of big men in camp knowing that Tiago Splitter was returning from hip surgery.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4416750-155/utah-jazz-now-have-depth-but


Jeff Withey, who will probably be either the 14th or 15h man on the roster, saw a lot of playing time last year.

no he didn't


"To some degree, there's been too much of a fixation on minutes," Snyder said. "It's relevant, but developing the roster is going to take time. I don't think we're going to have a goal of going into Christmas knowing who our starting quarterback is going to be, if you know what I mean. There will be adjustments over the course of the season, there will be different matchups."


the big question is if the best guys actually play for a change. They have indicated that is the case but I keep hearing Exum's name though his game sounds like it has a long way to go

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4414964-155/utah-jazz-team-fights-through-the


I'm never going to tell him not to take an open shot."

based on what we've seen he would be pissed if anyone passed up an open shot though

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865663808/Joe-Ingles-isnt-shy-about-saying-hes-the-best-shooter-for-the-Utah-Jazz.html

[QUOTE]

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http://www.slamonline.com/nba/slam-top-50/gordon-hayward-33/#Z0LFMes35dRCj7JB.97

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http://saltcityhoops.com/george-hill-already-dishing-assists/

[QUOTE]At the time Snyder was the coach of the San Antonio Spurs D-League affiliate, the Toros. Hill describes himself as

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865663656/Upstill-What-to-expect-from-the-Utah-Jazz-this-season.html

[QUOTE]After Dante Exum

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http://www.slcdunk.com/utah-jazz-game-coverage/2016/10/3/13153708/portland-trail-blazers-utah-jazz-game-preview-damian-lillard-cj-mccollum-rodney-hood-gordon-hayward


And a teacher like Snyder really changed the trajectory of this team in the positive direction. At least so far on one end of the court.

or Rudy has made him look good :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE]And maybe the problem here is me and being practically raised on Dick Motta style FLEX offenses. (His coaching tree includes Frank Layden, Jerry Sloan, Phil Johnson

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http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/10/3/13153772/utah-jazz-desagana-diop-coaching-staff-quin-snyder-dennis-lindsey

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http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/10/3/13150904/nba-preseason-2016-2017-utah-jazz-training-camp-battles-gordon-hayward-rudy-gobert-dante-exum

[QUOTE]Some of these contracts (Mack

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http://hoopshabit.com/2016/09/30/utah-jazz-can-a-healthy-dante-exum-live-up-to-his-pre-draft-expectations/

[QUOTE]Exum still managed to earn a spot in head coach Quinn Snyder

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Jody Genessy: George Hill on anthem:

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4428523-155/utah-jazz-fast-start-doesnt-last


Exum was hesitant when he did get into the lane. He struggled with decision-making off pick-and-roll action and ended up passing when he should shoot, and vice-versa.

They've got a lot of guys that should have the ball in their hands before him. If he can hit the 3 he could be a 3 and D while the rest of his game develops. Running the D-league team with Paige would probably be best for a while though.

The 1st 3 he hit was ugly. Shot looks flat so let's see if he can keep that up anyway.

Mack was probably their 4th best player just like the end of last year. Who would have thought? :lol

Rudy looks like he's been working on his offensive game. I think we will see strides from him there! :applause:

Hayward looked great.

Favors hit a free throw line shot again! :cheers:

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4428527-155/utah-jazz-neto-expects-to-see


He's been playing well during training camp. He also played well during the offseason, running the show for Brazil in the Olympics.

He played well last year and he played well after he was drafted in the summer league. The guy is a player.


"It's just about being ready," Neto said. "But this is just how the league is. You think you come back a better player, and opportunity doesn't come. Of course I know I won't have the same minutes as last year, but I'm good with that. I want to learn from the guys that are on the team playing ahead of me, and if I can do that, we're going to have a great season as well."

:rockon:

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4431814-155/utah-jazz-quin-snyder-knows-a


"It's gonna take awhile," Snyder said. "It's the first week. The offense has wrinkles and complexity to it. They'll get there. As the knowledge of the system develops, so will the offense."

So why not play Mack and the guys that do know what's going on until someone takes their spot? :confusedshrug:


Snyder said following the game that Exum looked like a guy who hadn't played in 14 months.

Looked pretty much like the same guy. He shot better but it didn't look great. Was a bit more aggressive with the ball. Looked flabby and out of shape still. Breathing hard.

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865663960/Jazz-stumble-against-Trail-Blazers-preseason-opener-after-impressive-start.html

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41722100&nid=294&title=can-jazzs-exum-live-up-to-fan-expectations


While Neto proved that he was capable of surviving in the NBA, averaging 5.9 points, on respectable shooting percentages, 43 percent from the floor, and nearly 40 percent from the three-point line, he looks better suited as a reserve guard with the Jazz.

Maybe? I still think he could have done a lot more last year if given the chance.


The major determining factor for Exum will be how many minutes he has available to him in the rotation.

As many as he earns. If he can hit the 3 there's plenty. If not he should be in the D-league.


Mack, a more experienced guard, likely gives the Jazz a better opportunity to win games now, which may gain him minutes over Exum as the season progresses.

wow more props for Shelvin. After last night(not to mention last year) I really can't see how Mack isn't in the thick of things


If the Jazz are looking to keep Exum around the 20 minute per night average, lining up at both guard spots may very well solve that issue.

From what I saw last night he shouldn't be playing any pg except at the defensive end.

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41724585&nid=304&title=the-triple-team-3-thoughts-on-jazz-vs-blazers


Gobert finished with 10 points and 13 rebounds, which is difficult to complain about. Nevertheless, I'm going to do it anyway: he still struggled with his hands, especially early, on catching dump-off passes and lobs that could have been easy points. That's going to have to change.

he looks improved at that end to me certainly


But I think tonight's first-half rotations are a decent indication of what Snyder's baseline thinking is, to be adjusted and experimented with as more evidence comes out.

I wouldn't be so sure. If you remember right the Burkes' started all pre-season last year before Neto and Hood took over in the regular season. Mack certainly looked like he should be starting in this game as he did a year ago.


The good news is that he was still capable defensively, and he hit two shots from 3-point land, including a nice pick and roll three where his defender went under the screen.

The problem is defense isn't enough for him to play on this team.

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[QUOTE]Despite finding himself in this predicament, Burke remained optimistic and always kept a positive attitude. After speaking with Trey Burke

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Sad news

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664022/Dante-Exum-happy-to-get-reps-in-with-the-Utah-Jazz.html

[QUOTE] I think it

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The need for pg's continues to increase if the Jazz decide to deal anyone. Exum doesn't look like anything close to a pg right now though so I'm not sure I'd be in a hurry to do anything on that front. Hill didn't look too great either as a matter of fact.

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http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/jazznotes/4435774-155/utah-jazz-quin-snyder-looking-for


Derrick Favors and Rodney Hood will both sit out of Wednesday night's game, with left knee soreness and a left hand sprain, respectively. The Jazz said both players went through shootaround, and that both are sitting out for precautionary reasons.

good we'll get to see more of some other guys though it looks like Hood needs the reps


In their place, Dante Exum and Boris Diaw will probably get starts. Snyder said he's comfortable with Joe Johnson and Trey Lyles coming off the bench in their roles. He said he wants to get Exum valuable minutes.

"It doesn't matter if Dante is playing the point guard or shooting guard spot," Snyder said. "We just want him to play."

this is the time for Exum to play and show he deserves to play

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/05/preseason-game-thread-ii-utah-jazz-at-phoenix-suns/

[QUOTE]As for Knight, part of the reason Watson has him coming off the bench is because he feels second unit guards can

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/05/preseason-loss-puts-utah-jazz-elite-company/

[QUOTE]Also, Hayward wasn

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/05/hayward-favors-impress-in-loss-to-trail-blazers/

[QUOTE]One thing that worried me was the difference in Rodney Hood

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[QUOTE]You were lucky with home crowds. First Utah, then Oklahoma City. Pretty good fans in both places. Enes Kanter: OKC is different. When I was playing for Utah, I was like

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[QUOTE] Andy Larsen: Yikes: Jazz broadcast says Dante Exum has hyperextended his left knee, the same knee with the torn ACL. He seems unconcerned, though.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4436550-155/utah-jazz-exum-gobert-shine-in


There are still warts, however. Joe Johnson hasn't found a rhythm within the offense, as he scored two points on 1 of 4 shooting. The same can be said about Boris Diaw as well.

Diaw made some nice passes!


Shelvin Mack, who continued his strong preseason play with 10 points

continued his strong play as a Jazzman :applause:

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http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/jazznotes/4437103-155/jazz-blog-dante-exum-gets-assignment


One of the things the Jazz like so much about Dante Exum is his ability to defend both guard positions. It's the skill that got him on the floor as a rookie, and one of the reasons he'll be in Wednesday's starting lineup in place of Rodney Hood.

He started because of potential. Many other guys have proven more


"Chandler is a tremendous player and leader, and he's the kind of guy you want on a team with those young guys to just help them continue to learn and get better," Snyder said.

Than why didn't you want vets around your young guys? :rolleyes:

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In the final quarter, the Jazz extended their lead to nine with a lineup that included all reserves, including Chris Johnson, Ingles, Raul Neto, Shelvin Mack and Jeff Withey. The Suns also had mostly reserves playing the fourth quarter, although coach Earl Watson inserted starter Booker in down the stretch before Booker fouled out.


that line-up looked good. If CJ can hit the 3 he'd be tough to cut. Will be anyway

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41748654&nid=304&title=the-triple-team-3-thoughts-on-jazz-vs-suns


Get a rebound, drive coast-to-coast, outrun the defense, eurostep to the left, and go back with to the floater with the right hand falling away from the basket. Lyles turns the corner tightly after the board and then out-runs the defense. That finish, moving away from the hoop laterally while shooting with the opposite hand, is super difficult.

Was out of control on that play. He is looking good though. How much he defends will dictate his minutes

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4438191-155/utah-jazz-george-hill-wants-to


Last season, about 45 percent of Hayward's field goals were assisted. That number puts him in the middle of the pack among the league's top 25 scorers from a year ago, but at the low end among the forwards in that category.
I'm sure it was a lot better with Mack and Hill isn't the playmaker he is.

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http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/10/6/13181504/utah-jazz-nba-league-pass-rankings-zach-lowe-espn

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/06/utah-jazz-preseason-reacions-tough-decisions/

[QUOTE]After looking very much like the third fiddle to Hayward and Favors in the first preseason game, Gobert came out strong in Wednesday

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[QUOTE] Among expected changes in the new CBA, league sources told The Vertical: A significantly higher rookie contract scale and two-way contracts between the NBA and NBA Development League that will add playing jobs for the union.

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[QUOTE] Candace Buckner: I asked Scott Brooks about Casper Ware & John Wall

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http://www.slcdunk.com/utah-jazz-articles/2016/10/6/13190722/utah-jazz-2016-17-preview-gordon-hayward-rudy-gobert-dante-exum-derrick-favors-joe-johnson

[QUOTE]Diaw

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David Locke: Quin Snyder says Joe Johnson was in gym at 830 with coaches this morning for 10:45 practice

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http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12624101&posted=1#post12624101

they have a clue! :cheers:

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The following is a medical update on Utah Jazz forward Gordon Hayward: After sustaining an apparent injury to his left hand during today

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41768336&nid=304&title=connectivity-continuity-themes-in-jazz-preseason


Fav was hurt at the end of last year and we're still trying to get him completely healthy

wtf is wrong with him now? :eek:


That confidence in his shot is also carrying over to live game action, where Gobert took a pull-up jumper in Wednesday's game. That shot went incredibly poorly ("It's not in my repertoire yet, the pull-up. That was a bad idea. I almost broke the backboard," Gobert said), but he says he will take catch-and-shoot opportunities this year if he's left open inside.

"If I get the ball, and I'm inside the 3-point line, and I don't need to dribble, I can shoot it. If I need to dribble, it's better that I do a hand off, and the guy coming off of it is going to be open."

:wtf:


Defensively, he's still making an impact on the game, and Snyder says that so long as he's "working his tail off" defensively, he'll get minutes to learn on the offensive end.

so how do you get the connectivity if you play guys that don't do it at both ends? :confusedshrug:


Dante Exum was held out of the second half of Wednesday's game but fully participated in Friday's practice. It sounds like he'll be fine to play Monday barring any setbacks. Rodney Hood sat out all of Wednesday's game, but also participated in practice.

:cheers:

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41768638&nid=304&title=gordon-hayward-to-miss-six-weeks-with-dislocated-broken-finger


The signing of Joe Johnson means that he'll likely move into the starting lineup alongside Rodney Hood while Hayward sits.

I'd be thinking Mack with some combo of Exum, Hill, and Ingles. Leave Johnson on the bench where he will be when Hayward gets back. Play him more


Dennis Lindsey spoke on team-owned radio station 1280 AM about the injury. "We won't associate a timeline for a while because there's a couple different potential outcomes," Lindsey said. "The last few pieces of info I've received from our training staff have been optimistic."

sounds like it could be less. Non shooting hand. He's tough! :applause:

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[QUOTE]Alex Kennedy: Trevor Booker (@35_Fitz) on joining Nets, leaving Jazz, creating a winning culture, playing with Jeremy Lin & more: Rudy Gobert: Did he talk about his hairline?

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664310/Utah-Jazz-Analyzing-the-impact-of-the-injury-to-Gordon-Hayward.html


The most immediate change to Quin Snyder's club brought about by Hayward's injury will be at small forward, where Hayward has started the last 233 regular season games.

no he has not! :wtf:


Combining Hayward's expected absence with the ongoing rehab of backup shooting guard Alec Burks, Utah is once again quite thin on the wing.

No it is not! Don't forget Neto.


Derrick Favors will likely be counted on to produce even more in the post.

Could be a good thing if they can get Favors going.

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Tony Jones: Rodney hood said he knew Gordon hayward

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4446197-155/utah-jazz-rodney-hood-to-take


Last season, when Gordon Hayward sat out a game against the Cleveland Cavaliers due to injury, Rodney Hood gave a glimpse of what he could be as the Utah Jazz's number one option.

Too bad like Hayward he's so streaky. Favors has to be the go to guy now assuming he's going to play again himself


But with Utah's best player on the shelf due to a broken finger, Hood is the best candidate for the Jazz to step into Hayward's shoes.

Could be in trouble than. I see Johnson and Alec if he's back right there with him and Mack can certainly give you more.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4445770-155/kragthorpe-gordon-haywards-injury-darkens-outlook

[QUOTE]That provides some perspective to the Jazz's anticipated climb in 2016-17

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/08/utah-jazz-five-things-look-forward-2016-17-season/


Nevertheless, the ability to watch him develop on the court, in actual games, while the team works to get back to the playoffs should be a joy for Jazz fans everhwhere.

If he needs to develop still it needs to be at the D-leauge level.


Make no mistake about it, the Jazz are a playoff team.

should be. Time to prove it

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/08/utah-jazz-get-early-visit-from-the-injury-bug/


But after seeing just how fatal those injuries were, Jazz brass made sure they added the right pieces to prevent another such collapse this season.

I'd say it had more to do with Hayward opting out. If he was under contract they would have kept their lottery pick and kept doing what they were doing.

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[QUOTE]A 6-foot-3, 175-pound shooting guard with average athleticism, Clark recognizes that his NBA longevity depends on his three-point accuracy. Miss beyond the arc enough times, and he could be playing overseas next season. Clark takes comfort knowing that, while a lengthy NBA career is far from secured, he is in the most stable position of his professional life. Three months after signing a guaranteed one-year deal for roughly $1 million, the former undrafted free agent is in line for a rotation spot.

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[QUOTE]Tony Jones: Just realized something. The Jazz haven

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4447020-155/utah-jazz-must-adjust-to-life


And putting him in the lineup, or even Joe Ingles, allows Hood to stay at his natural shooting guard spot, where he enjoys a size advantage on most nights.

He's usually taller. Not longer which is what really matters. To me he's a bench player until I see otherwise


Should Snyder want to go another avenue, he can start Dante Exum at shooting guard and move Hood to small forward. This move accomplishes a few things with Snyder's rotation. Exum and George Hill create a very good defensive backcourt. It enables Snyder to keep Johnson in his sixth-man role, which is where the Jazz ideally want the veteran. It keeps Johnson with Trey Lyles and Boris Diaw in a potentially potent second unit. It also allows Snyder to give Shelvin Mack significant minutes as the backup point guard, important because Mack has played very well thus far in the preseason.

Mack has played well since they got him. To me he's the 3rd starter. Who you play with him, Favors and Rudy is to be determined. I'd probably leave Johnson on the bench though. Ideally Hill and Exum if they prove it but Ingles could make sense too.


Utah's starting point guard, Hill has experience leading an offense without a star player. He averaged a career-high 16.1 points a night two years ago in Indiana when Pacers forward Paul George was out with a broken leg.

the 2 guard as I've said

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664407/Jazz-players-with-reduced-roles-urged-to-stay-ready.html


Hill and Exum are expected to get most of the minutes this year at point guard, leaving Mack and Neto to fight for time as the third point guard.

Anyone actually watch games? Mack has been great. He plays with a lot of juice as Snyder likes to say.

[QUOTE]I know coach Q and I

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http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/jazznotes/4451019-155/injury-report-favors-burks-hayward-all

[QUOTE]Forward Derrick Favors, meanwhile, did not make the trip to California. After playing in the preseason opener last week against Portland, Favors was held out of action against the Suns and again as the Jazz resumed practices because of left knee soreness. The Jazz

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664410/Lee-Benson-Give-us-back-our-anthem-Please.html

[QUOTE]But there

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http://www.sbnation.com/2016/10/6/12986564/utah-jazz-preview-2016-warriors-gordon-hayward


The first is that Rudy Gobert missed 21 games last season. The Jazz went 7-14 in those games. They went 33-28 when he played and 33-27 when he started. That's the record of a 45-win team.


someone gets it! Too bad the local scribes still don't. Not sure how you could have been watching the past couple years and continue to go on and on about everyone but Rudy. :rolleyes:


We all know how vital the point guard position is in today's NBA. Gods bless them, but Raul Neto and Shelvin Mack combined to start 80 games at point guard for Utah last year, and Trey Burke was the other lead guard on the roster. This year, the team will have the solid George Hill and exciting Dante Exum in the mix.

well maybe not. I'd dare say Mack is the 2nd most important guy on the team right now with Favors and Hayward out and the new guys still adusting.


The idea that the Jazz are the biggest threat to the vamped-up Warriors is not one I can buy.

not sure anyone has said that. They certainly match-up better with them than most as we saw last year.

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2666884-nba-tiers-of-contention-teams-with-a-chance-to-win-the-crown-in-2016-17


Two of Utah's first six games are against San Antonio, giving them a perfect opportunity to demonstrate they have surpassed the Spurs.

anyone see them better than the Spurs? :wtf:


If the Jazz fare well early and build up confidence to go with Quin Snyder's outstanding defense, there's no reason why Utah can't be among the league's best teams from start to finish.

you mean Rudy's D? :rolleyes:

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/10/utah-jazz-los-angeles-clippers-preseason-game-thread/

[QUOTE]Nevertheless, it continues to be an important game for the Jazz. The team

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[QUOTE]Arash Markazi: DeMarcus Cousins was asked if he attended the Paul McCartney concert that opened Golden 1 Center last week.

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41810600&nid=304&title=the-triple-team-3-thoughts-on-jazz-vs-clippers


Exum's still struggling offensively. He was only 1-5 tonight from the field in 22 minutes, and still gets into the paint and jumps before really having a safe outlet for the ball. But his defense will keep him on the court, and maybe even get him critical minutes like the ones he played in tonight.

but should it? They talk about being connected at both ends and you're going to play guys that do it at one end? :rolleyes:


Chris Johnson picked up seven rebounds in his 12 minutes on the court from the wing position

Going to be tough to get rid of him. He was all over the court. Maybe they trade Neto? I don't really see that with Hill and Mack both free agents though.


Diaw's game was up-and-down. You can see what he contributes on the offensive end with spacing and smarts, but on defense, he was definitely bested by Blake Griffin, especially in the post. Griffin's a great post player, so that's not really a surprise, and you'd hope that Diaw wouldn't be guarding Griffin more more than short stints when Favors is healthy. Trey Lyles is probably a better player at this point

I think Lyles is getting overrated. He can shoot. He nees to improve a lot elsewhere.

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/10/nba-2k17-seemingly-hates-utah-jazz/


Some of the in-game team and player ratings leave something to be desired, but this simulation was particularly harsh. The result for the Jazz was a 24-58 record and a last-place finish in the Western Conference.

Not only that, but the team actually fired Quin Snyder at the end of the year and replaced him Dave Joerger (who was fired by the Sacramento Kings in the game).

hard to imagine but they do have a lot to prove still

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664583/Brad-Rock-Hayward-injury-not-a-deal-breaker-for-Jazz-aspirations.html


Who would a coach rather have available when a key injury occurs, Hill or Trey Burke? Exum or Raul Neto? Johnson or Trevor Booker? Diaw or Jeff Withey?

Other than Burke there's an argument for all those guys. Witheym Booker and Neto are players no matter how much everyone wants to keep putting them down for unproven prospects.

[QUOTE]The preseason has revealed Exum

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664574/Point-guard-play-stood-out-in-Jazzs-win-over-Clippers.html


Even Shelvin Mack, now the No. 3 point guard after starting the second half of last season following his trade, contributed with a dozen points off the bench.

Not convinced he's 3rd. I'm done with Snyder and Lindsey if that's the case. Right now I'd say he's their 2nd best player.

[QUOTE]Snyder added that he wants the third-year player to continue working on his all-around game. The 21-year-old, whose knee is back to 100 percent 14 months after his ACL tear, still has much progress to make.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4455518-155/utah-jazz-joe-johnson-thrust-back


Still, Johnson's veteran presence inspires a confidence the Jazz might have lacked if they had faced a prolonged stretch without their best player even a season ago.

I can tell you they will do better without Hayward than they did without Gobert and not because of the new guys.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4452982-155/utah-jazz-pass-first-test-without


From the comments section


My line of reasoning for trading Shelvin Mack is as follows.

1. Shelvin Mack will cost the Jazz $2.4 million this season versus Neto's $1 million. The third string point is going to be lucky to average 8 to 10 minutes of playing time per game. So why pay more than you have to? Had the Jazz not traded for George Hill then keeping Shelvin Mack would have been a given.
Until he's not one of their best players I can't see trading him unless you are geting someone back that's comparable. I can see it if you think you won't be able to sign him next year and even than Hill is also a free agent. Mack and Hill leave you are down to Exum and Neto which might be good but who knows right now?


2. The Jazz can get more for Mack in a trade. While I believe Shelvin is the better player (at this point in time) he's not as good a fit for their style of play.


Might get more for Neto actually. He's younger. How is he not a fit? He seems to get it more than about anyone? :facepalm


3. Neto doesn't make very many mistakes and plays within the rules the Jazz have laid down for him. My opinion is the Jazz like the kid a lot and want to keep developing him.

I don't. He's not long enough for them. The fact that he can play means nothing because he doesn't have Exum and Hill's length regardless if he is actually better than Exum.


As for my second paragraph, the Jazz like Quincy Ford and I believe they want to keep him. If they don't open up a slot for him on the Jazz and he plays for the Stars, any other team in the league can call him up and sign him to an NBA contract because the Jazz never held his draft rights. That gives the Jazz an additional impetus to make a move and trade someone (Shelvin Mack).

I doubt anyone's jumping on Ford til he shows something. CJ is the guy you want to open a spot for if anyone.

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/11/utah-jazz-shelvin-mack-making-case-for-rotation-minutes/


Mack finished the game with 12 points on 5 of 8 shooting in just 17 minutes of play. He also pulled down four rebounds and added a pair of steals. But aside from just putting up impressive stats, what really stands out is the aggressive way Mack has been scoring throughout the preseason. He has relentlessly attacked the rim and continues to convert on tough finishes.

He was actually off last game compared to the first two until he played against their scrubs.

[QUOTE] there are some things that Mack needs to clean up such as the fact that he didn

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As Ingles gave a thoughtful response about the addition of George Hill to the Jazz lineup, Ingles reminded reporters that he continues to beat the point guard in shooting contests.

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[QUOTE]There is probably more buzz surrounding Hayward

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[QUOTE]Adrian Wojnarowski: Clippers are waiving Dorell Wright and Xavier Munford today, league sources tell @The Vertical.

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[QUOTE]Jared Weiss: I haven

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http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/jazznotes/4460040-155/jazz-shootaround-starters-will-be-in


Of all the injuries, Jazz coach Quin Snyder said Hood's is by far the most precautionary. But tonight against Phoenix, the Jazz will be missing three of their top four players, and four of arguably their top seven.

It's arguable rather Hood is in their top 7. He's getting way overrated!

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41827220&nid=304&title=jazz-without-4-players-for-wednesdays-home-game-vs-phoenix


"Rodney's the most precautionary, in that he keeps jamming that finger. It started in the summer, and it could happen again. It might be something he pays through in January, but maybe not," Snyder said. "You've jammed a finger before: first you think it's broken, and then it feels better, and then it turns purple the next day and then you've got to figure out how much better it is and how quickly it gets better."

sounds like he might be injury prone like I feared after his rookie year. The other game he missed was something else.


It may take us a while to find that, and we might start taking and making more threes before that. But also, without Gordon, without Rodney, without Alec, we're finding out who wants to take them. I would anticipate that going up.

Alec doesn't like taking them. Maybe that will change after the injuries?


"We think he can be more than just a shooter," Snyder said. "Sometimes, when we think of just a pure stretch four, we kind of excuse them on the defensive end. He knows he doesn't get that pass. I've been pleased with how he's guarded. He's worked at it."

I expect more. He can shoot. Got a lot to prove still elsewhere.


"Most of his offseason preparation has been playing, and I think recently, he's been more focused on his immediate skill development, and I think he's gaining more confidence in himself. Look at the free throws, for instance."

I've thought once he gains the confidence at that end he'd start improving and it's looked that way so far.


"I think we saw his ability to defend the ball (in his rookie season)," Snyder said. "Now you're seeing with size, he's equally capable of defending other positions on the floor. He can guard one through three."

Good to hear. If he can hit the 3 he's at least a 3 and D guy until he improves the rest of his game.

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/12/three-takeaways-from-utahs-win-over-the-clippers/


Hood is a premiere offensive player and I think the Jazz will be most successful when Hood is leading the team in field goal attempts, especially with Hayward and Favors not in the lineup.

premiere?

[QUOTE]Ever since Trevor Booker headed for Brooklyn this summer, I

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Aaron Falk: Tidbit on Gordon Hayward: He won

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4461620-155/utah-jazz-notes-joel-bolomboy-finds


Bolomboy is Utah's most obvious candidate to fill that spot. He's not as polished as Booker, and won't be in the rotation as often as Booker. But like Booker could sit for 30 minutes, come off the bench cold and play well for 10 minutes, Bolomboy did just that against the Clippers.

hopefully he'll be in the D-league developing

[QUOTE]The Jazz unleashed a new in-game DJ *

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41833827&nid=304&title=the-triple-team-3-thoughts-on-jazz-vs-suns


Exum had his best scoring night of his non-summer-league career, scoring 18 points on 5-10 field goal shooting and 8-9 free throw shooting. Check out his shot chart:

not going to get those shots in the lane if he can't keep the D honest by hitting a 3 though.

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[QUOTE]Jody Genessy: From Jazz PR: The Jazz waived Eric Dawson, Quincy Ford and Marcus Paige. Utah

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[QUOTE]Carmelo Anthony says he

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Chris Reichert: Quincy Ford will join the Salt Lake City Stars of the D-League as an affiliate player after being waived by Utah, sources tell U&M #NBADL

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Most league insiders agree that Utah Jazz center Rudy Gobert remains the most likely candidate, of the 2013 first-rounders still on the board, to land an extension by month

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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/strength-and-weakness-for-every-nba-team-even-cavs-warriors-have-flaws/

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17734638/30-crazy-predictions-2016-17-nba-season-zach-lowe

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664823/Why-the-2016-2017-Jazz-may-look-a-little-Dr-Jekyll-and-Mr-Hyde-ish.html


It helps fans feel better simply knowing that Joe Johnson can sub in for an injured Hayward, or that the Jazz will have a Dante Exum-Hill combo hitting the floor instead of relying on Raul Neto-Trey Burke for the season.

doesn't help me. Neto is proven. Exum still has a lot of question marks.


Fans can even toss out the traditional 1-5 positions when looking at the versatility of the lineups. For example, Exum has started in the preseason as a shooting guard.

Because he hasn't shown he's a pg. 0-4 from 3 last game. Not going to cut it

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4467967-155/utah-jazz-trey-lyles-is-becoming

I think he's getting overrated. Mostly what I've seen is great shooting. Snyder seems to be happy with his D which is a good sign. He's certainly skilled but let's not get ahead of ourselves yet.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4464510-155/utah-jazz-with-flurry-of-injuries


Most importantly, Dante Exum seems to be not only completely healthy, but further along in his development than anyone could have imagined.

everyone has been hyping how his return makes them so much better. How is his development beyond what anyone could have imagined when to me he still is arguably not one of their top 10 players? :wtf:

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/14/utah-jazz-roster-filled-with-depth-and-flexibility/2/

[QUOTE]Both Exum and Hill can bring the ball up the court and set up the offense. They both can play off the ball and hit spot-up threes (assuming the offseason rumors surrounding Dante

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/14/utah-jazz-roster-filled-with-depth-and-flexibility/2/



The jury is still out on his offense. He's showing some good signs but until he can do things consistently they shouldn't be losing games to put him on the court as they have the past 2 years.



Hard for me to not see Mack in the rotation and unless he's playing with Neto he is the pg and even with Neto he probably is because Neto is better at spotting up.
If you're talking about Exum's offense, I agree. Hill has actually established himself as able to score at the NBA level whereas Exum has a summer league (last year) and the preseason to show us what he's made of so far. We'll know by December though if he can actually do work on offense (or defense for that matter).
Also give me a sec, just seeing if I can post a link as a caption (don't know how to do that)
Trey Lyles Article (http://www.sltrib.com/home/4467967-155/utah-jazz-lyles-is-becoming-the)

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Oh wow it worked, anyways it's looking more and more like Trey Lyles might be the PF of the future. I feel like the Jazz will extend Favors regardless, but if Lyles shows more improvement next year, that just makes Favors an even more attractive trade piece, a great big man with a long contract so he doesn't bolt from anywhere he's traded

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If you're talking about Exum's offense, I agree. Hill has actually established himself as able to score at the NBA level whereas Exum has a summer league (last year) and the preseason to show us what he's made of so far. We'll know by December though if he can actually do work on offense (or defense for that matter).
Also give me a sec, just seeing if I can post a link as a caption (don't know how to do that)
Trey Lyles Article (http://www.sltrib.com/home/4467967-155/utah-jazz-lyles-is-becoming-the)

Exum and Hill look a lot alike out there actually. Which bodes well for Dante's future.

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Oh wow it worked, anyways it's looking more and more like Trey Lyles might be the PF of the future. I feel like the Jazz will extend Favors regardless, but if Lyles shows more improvement next year, that just makes Favors an even more attractive trade piece, a great big man with a long contract so he doesn't bolt from anywhere he's traded

Lyles can shoot. Too early to say if he's a starter in this league I think.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4469342-155/utah-jazz-perimeter-shooting-an-early


Utah's 3-point numbers do require some context. Rodney Hood and Gordon Hayward, two of Utah's best shooters, haven't played a lot.

They're not really. Streaky at best. Neto otoh... :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE]While Hayward and Alec Burks are both considered longterm injuries, Hood and Derrick Favors both sat out of Saturday's practice. Both injuries

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http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/15/utah-jazz-keep-final-roster/


The Jazz should keep Chris Johnson and instead Jeff Withey is the one who should be cut.

It makes a lot of sense except it makes Bolomoboy your 5th big which in reality he is I think but ideally he's in the D-league not sitting on the bench with the Jazz. Keep Sims. Trade Withey. He has to have value.


I suppose one could argue that perhaps his insertion into the rotation might have spared the Jazz that awful loss, but I find that hard to believe.

why? They would have won several more last year if he'd have played :confusedshrug:

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664919/Injuries-affecting-Utah-Jazzs-outside-shooting.html

[QUOTE]Their shooting percentage has also dipped from 35.5 percent a year ago to just 32.3 percent this preseason.

Coach Quin Snyder has a simple explanation why the Jazz are bucking a trend this preseason.

Injuries.

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[QUOTE]Sirius XM NBA: AUDIO: @Utah Jazz GM Dennis Lindsey on Gordon Hayward

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[QUOTE]Justin Verrier: Pelicans sign Quincy Ford, a former Northeastern swing man who played for the Jazz in summer league. Roster back up to 20.

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41885886&nid=294&title=dante-exums-fighting-through-fatigue-and-more-notes-from-jazz-shootaround


"I need how to learn how to play when I'm tired. That's the biggest thing," Exum said. "Whether it's getting open on a cut, or just getting into the right position, that's the biggest thing for me."

the problem is he always looks tired


It's not his habit yet to play every possession, and that's his youth.

so should he be playing over guys that do it all the time?

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https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/2016/10/16/bits-from-preseason-week-2/

[QUOTE]Guess the Jazz couldn

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[QUOTE] Prince told his longtime agent Bill Duffy that he would like to sign as a free agent this past offseason with a team that was at least competing for a playoff spot. While Prince said there has been interest, there have been no contract offers from any NBA teams. He

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[QUOTE]Jazz GM Dennis Lindsey sounds confident about keeping free-agent-to-be Gordon Hayward in Utah. This is what he said in an interview with SiriusXM NBA Radio:

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[QUOTE] Aaron Falk: Rudy Gobert told me tonight he has something to prove. He said everyone thinks he

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[QUOTE]Carmelo Anthony thinks the NBA should

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4477828-155/utah-jazz-notes-new-teammates-ingles


Diaw has so far made Gobert a better player offensively, finding the athletic center for easy buckets.

let's not overstate things. Rudy is a lot better this year mostly because of himself I'd say.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4477285-155/jazz-utah-routs-la-clippers-104-78


The fourth-year center attributes his success to his offseason regimen that simply included playing a lot of basketball. And as always, Gobert is playing the game with a sizable chip on his shoulders.

He played a lot last year and it seemed to hurt him. What we are seeing from him offensively is what I expected last year.

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41893000&nid=304&title=the-triple-team-3-thoughts-on-jazz-vs-clippers


The Clippers, though, lost probably their second best bench player in Cole Aldrich this offseason, while the Jazz reloaded with George Hill, Joe Johnson, and Boris Diaw.

Clippers look a lot deeper.


The Jazz's point guard situation, one of the worst in the league last year, might be one of the best in the league this season.

Not sure either is true. The constant put downs of Neto and Mack are old. Even Burke was solid last year though a bad fit an unproven as an NBA talent still.


Exum talked earlier today about the fatigue he's experiencing for spurts
always looks fatigued


Shelvin Mack's on hyper drive right now. He scored 14 points in 16 minutes and threw three assists to boot. He's being super aggressive, and I wonder if that's because of his new competition in Hill and Exum: he wants to earn minutes.

looks like the same player to me. He earned his minutes with last year's play as far as I'm concerned. He's looked like their 2nd best player.


Neto played well, too, though was sometimes too wild with his shot selection. His three steals helped the Jazz. He'll continue to be a role-player pest defensively, in the Pablo Prigioni mold.


They got to look to make a move if the right deal is out there. The roster is unbalanced and with 3 wings out CJ is hard to cut.


We'll see if he continues his great play against Portland Wednesday, always his toughest matchup throughout his career.

Hibbert was two years ago.

[Xiao Yao You]

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/17/utah-jazz-run-the-clippers-out-of-vivint-arena/


Facing a Clippers squad sans the resting CP3, Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan, the Jazz captured their biggest win in preseason play on their home floor. Despite missing three of their top four players themselves, Utah ran the Lob City crew off the floor in a 104-78 rout.

Let's stop overrating Hood already! He's streaky and limited offensively at best. Sucks on D. Unlikely to improve a lot at his age.

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz GM Dennis Lindsey on Rudy Gobert

[Xiao Yao You]

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/17/utah-jazz-need-superstar-win/

[QUOTE]The example people most often cite for comparison is the 2004 Detroit Pistons. The L.A. Lakers super team they beat in the Finals had four rotation players with PER numbers greater than 15 (league average) if you include the injured Karl Malone (so no, I don

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865665086/Jazz-offense-clicks-thanks-to-passing-outside-shooting.html

[QUOTE]

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664746/Projecting-the-Utah-Jazzs-win-total-for-the-2016-17-season.html

[QUOTE]According to a projection system assembled based on Win Shares, the Jazz should win 49 games this season

[Xiao Yao You]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243648/Milos-Teodosic-Considered-Best-International-Player-Not-In-NBA-By-GMs

believe he's the one that wants to play for the Jazz or Spurs

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE] Ryan McDonald: Derrick Favors is eligible for a contract renegotiation beginning today. Will be interesting to see if/when a deal gets done

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41909210&nid=304&title=how-do-the-jazz-play-without-favors-and-hayward-plus-more-shootaround-notes


Do I like Fav and Boris more than Boris and Rudy? I have no idea. Do I like Rudy and Fav more than Boris and Rudy? I have no idea.

:facepalm


Do I like Joe Johnson at the 4? I have no idea, because we don't have any wings," Snyder said.

I'd say you still have plenty.


Mack's been very aggressive in preseason, using 25 percent of Jazz possessions when he's on the floor. He's clearly trying to earn minutes out there by going hard in his limited time, and it's working.

looks like the same guy I saw last year that for some reason everyone has written off


"It was fun! More than anything, just getting the chance to know him. He came to the team a little late in the year, and we didn't really get a chance to know each other or spend time with each other, other than on the basketball court," Hood said. "We went to TopGolf together, met each other's families, all that type of thing. It makes us closer on the court. He's a great guy."

should be a good thing. Hood didn't play as well with Mack as he did without him.


This is silly. I know, it's preseason. I realize that the Jazz's TV contract with ROOT doesn't mandate that they televise all preseason games, and I further realize that many teams broadcast fewer of their preseason games than the Jazz do. But that there are professional sporting events featuring Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum and Rudy Gobert and Rodney Hood and Dante Exum and so on and so forth that aren't televised in the year 2016 is absurd.

I remember the days when there were about 20 road games on all year. I grew up listening to Hot Rod on the radio.

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/10/19/13284840/nba-allstar-2017-utah-jazz-gordon-hayward-rudy-gobert-draymond-green-lamarcus-aldridge

[QUOTE]I think Gobert is ultimately the X factor for the Jazz this year. He didn

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/10/19/13286698/nba-playoffs-2017-utah-jazz-gordon-hayward-derrick-favors-rudy-gobert

[QUOTE]Hayward is, without a doubt, the Jazz

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE]Marc D

[Xiao Yao You]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bdls-2016-17-season-previews-utah-jazz-233134976.html

about the most appreciative Gobert review yet. :applause:

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4485715-155/kragthorpe-ready-or-not-jazz-have


"The takeaways are that we're a ways away," Snyder said, summarizing the preseason, and who could disagree?

The excuses are getting old. The season hasn't even started! :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4485711-155/utah-jazz-rodney-hood-returns-from


the overall rustiness mattered little to Hood.

Is he rusty or was he just having yet another off night? :confusedshrug:


He will consistently draw the best defender on the opposition as well.

I'd probably still bring him off the bench personally


That's more responsibility than he's had in his career. Last season, he played a game without Hayward and scored 28 points against the Cleveland Cavaliers. But this time around will be different. Hayward will be out for most of the first month of the season, and that Cavaliers team last March was in cruise control, waiting for the postseason to begin.

and the team has a lot more weapons this year.

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865665129/Utah-Jazz-position-video-and-analysis-The-point-guards.html

[QUOTE]A trade deadline deal that brought Shelvin Mack to Salt Lake City from Atlanta for the last two months of the season helped considerably, but things weren

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41915752&nid=304&title=the-triple-team-3-thoughts-on-jazz-vs-trail-blazers


The cut candidates are Raul Neto, Chris Johnson, Jeff Withey, and Henry Sims. Shelvin Mack has clearly made his way onto the roster, as head coach Quin Snyder trusts him in a number of different roles.

With Favors and Hayward out he looks like their 2nd best player. Have you actually been paying attention since last February? :facepalm


On the other hand, the other three PGs can all credibly play the two, so maybe a role for Neto can be found.

If Burks, Hayward and Favors are out he should be in the rotation.


Withey's contract is fully non-guaranteed, and was pretty good for the Jazz in limited minutes last season

he was great. Only thing that held him back was their supposedly genius coach


I'd keep Withey pretty easily.

I could see them keeping Sims. I still think some team has to value Withey. If he's cut he'll be picked up off waivers. I'd think they could get something for him though.


"Everything we've seen from (the back of the bench) has been very good, and we have guys who are NBA players," Snyder said. "That makes it harder. For those players, they've been able to show they belong in this league."

CJ is an NBAer for sure.

[Xiao Yao You]

How new acquisition Boris Diaw

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE] David Locke: The Utah Jazz have waived Henry Sims the roster now stands at 16. Must be 15 for start of season

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE]The Cavaliers are pursuing a trade to acquire a backup point guard and are hoping to make a deal before the season starts Tuesday, sources told cleveland.com. The Cavs are in advanced discussions with at least one club, according to a source, and could make one or multiple trades to fill the one, glaring need on a team otherwise built to defend its 2016 championship.

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865665210/Utah-Jazz-position-preview-The-wings.html

[QUOTE]This forced Snyder to play Joe Ingles and Chris Johnson 15 and 12 minutes per game respectively, contributing in a big way to Utah

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865665252/Utah-Jazz-big-question-Which-player-will-be-most-affected-by-Gordon-Hayward7s-injury.html


Hood and Hayward share the court a lot, and with Hayward missing, Hood will be the primary offensive weapon.

should be Favors assuming he's going to be on the court.


Usually, when players usage rates go up, efficiency drops.

which is why he belongs on the bench increasing his efficiency

[Xiao Yao You]

http://saltcityhoops.com/phantom-cap-room-not-a-reason-to-make-rudy-wait/


They will have also made two picks in the 2017 NBA Draft, and there are small holds associated with maintaining the rights to those players.

you don't know that

I still think Burks and Hood will be gone at some point so there could be more money to play with.

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE] Still: Keep an eye on Iman Shumpert. Several teams, including Minnesota, have inquired about his availability in the past few weeks and gotten the impression Cleveland is ready to talk, according to several league sources. The Cavs won

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4492401-155/utah-jazz-preseason-is-over-


In the past three weeks, the Utah Jazz have seen Dante Exum come back from a torn ACL and prove he's capable of providing valuable rotation minutes,

potentially anyway. Still got a lot to prove

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE]Jody Genessy: Chris Johnson was waived by the Utah Jazz.

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4494060-155/utah-jazz-henry-sims-waived-leaving?page=2


Forward Derrick Favors' troubles with Iliotibial Band Syndrome continue to keep the big man sidelined for the Jazz. Favors hasn't played or practiced since the opening game of the preseason as he's dealt with the injury. Asked if he thought Favors would be ready for the seasoner opener on Tuesday, Snyder said he was not sure.

"He hasn't turned a corner where's been able to practice or play," Snyder said. "But hopefully he's making progress at the same time. I'd like to think [he'll be back] sooner than later, but it's been a month now, so it's hard to say."

Might want to think twice about giving Favors an extension? :confusedshrug:


Burks (knee rehabilitation) and forward Boris Diaw (right leg contusion) were also held out of practice Friday.

add Diaw to the list. Can't imagine a contusion is too big of a deal but he is old.

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865665370/Utah-Jazz-notebook-Early-season-schedule-wont-do-injury-riddled-Jazz-any-favors.html


"I don't want to ever use injury as an excuse, but I do think that there's a realism," third-year head coach Quin Snyder said after Friday's practice at Zions Bank Basketball Center. "It doesn't mean we can't win; what it means is your margin for error becomes very, very small, and I think that's where we are.

Sounds like Karl Malone. I won't make excuses but... :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/21/the-good-and-the-bad-from-the-jazz-preseason/


Dante Exum and Rudy Gobert were the two consistent performers for the Jazz.

Maybe you meant Mack. Exum certainly was not consistent. :rolleyes:

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE]Justin Verrier: Pelicans officially waive Quinn Cook and Quincy Ford. Pels are fans of both but have a need for a bigger wing with Holiday, Evans, Qpon out.

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865665443/Jazz-have-something-even-90s-teams-didnt-a-deep-bench.html


Optimism for the Jazz reigns this year, centered around a healthy starting lineup of Gordon Hayward, Derrick Favors, Rudy Gobert, Rodney Hood and George Hill. Nearly as obvious is that the Jazz have a tantalizing bench in Dante Exum, Trey Lyles, Alec Burks, Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw.

how you could watch this team and not even mention Mack is a joke! :wtf:


About the time the Jazz started rolling deep into the playoffs, the bench did improve. The 1991-92 team had Mike Brown, David Benoit, Delaney Rudd and Ty Corbin. Good players, but no All-Stars.

what bench has all-stars? Rudd sucked! :facepalm

[QUOTE]Anderson and Morris were athletic, but unpredictable. Morris didn

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865665406/Utah-Jazz-waive-Chris-Johnson-roster-down-to-15-players.html


FINAL CUT: Here's how the Jazz roster looks for the upcoming season:

Point guards: George Hill, Dante Exum, Shelvin Mack, Raul Neto; shooting guards: Rodney Hood, Alec Burks; small forwards: Gordon Hayward, Joe Johnson, Joe Ingles; power forwards: Derrick Favors, Boris Diaw, Trey Lyles, Joel Bolomboy; centers: Rudy Gobert, Jeff Withey.

I can still see them making a move. Withey isn't appreciated and the roster is unbalanced. Stashing Bolomboy and keeping CJ would have been better for sure.

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/top/3827/0/Meet-the-team-Player-bios-for-the-2016-2017-Utah-Jazz.html


Bolomboy may see more time with the SLC Stars than the Jazz.
Hopefully!


Burks was effective coming off the bench last year, and could fill the same role this year if Rodney Hood starts at the shooting guard position for Quin Snyder.

Wow! Someone that hasn't penciled in Hood! :applause:


Diaw joined the Jazz after Utah sent a 2022 second-round draft pick, cash and Olivier Hanlan to San Antonio for Diaw.

A 2nd rounder too? I thought it was just Hanlan. They must have had to outbid someone else?


Favors missed games 28-43 (16 games) with a sore back, partly due to sleeping on his stomach. In those 16 games, the Jazz lost nine (with wins coming over the 76ers, Lakers, Grizzlies, and Heat), underscoring how important Favors is to the Jazz.

How many of those were without Rudy too though? With Rudy they compete every night. Without Favors they will compete.


If the Jazz have an All-Star this year, it may be Gobert.

Hood not starting? Rudy their all-star? :applause:

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865665442/Jazz-need-veteran-acquisitions-to-step-up-after-injuries.html

[QUOTE] the widely praised transactions the Jazz

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865665304/Utah-Jazz-position-analysis-and-video-The-big-men.html


Jeff Withey was solid in a supporting role after joining the team during training camp.

putting up better numbers than Rudy is more than solid I'd say

[QUOTE]Gobert didn

[Xiao Yao You]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243724/Wolves-Still-Exploring-Tyus-Jones-Trade-Scenarios

Him for Neto could make sense other than you're helping a division rival. Send Tyus to the D-league. Thibs would love Neto I'm sure.

[Xiao Yao You]

Andy Larsen: Quin Snyder on Chris Johnson:

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865665360/Jazz-may-have-deepest-point-guard-lineup-ever-in-Hill-Exum-Mack-Neto.html


Trey Burke was ranked low because of his low shooting percentage as well as his poor defense

not to mention his mid range game in the modern NBA


Shelvin Mack upgraded the position somewhat over the last third of the season when he averaged 12.7 points in 27 starts.

best since Deron :applause:

[QUOTE]Last year

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865665485/Jazz-get-some-encouraging-news-on-the-injury-front.html

[QUOTE]Derrick Favors, who

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=41956941&nid=304&title=derrick-favors-back-to-practice-and-more-jazz-practice-notes


It's possible that he plays Tuesday in the opener, but maybe more likely that the Jazz take advantage of the break and wait a few more days, breaking him in against an easier opponent at home against the Los Angeles Lakers Friday.

Don't need him in that game.


But it may not be the end of Johnson in a Jazz uniform.

"That's not to close the door on anything eve. We had to waive him a year ago and ended up picking him back up," Snyder pointed out. "You never know."
Doubt he'll be available long


Finally, he'll be able to show off what he can do against the game's elite.

Get to show rather he even deserves to be out there

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE] I think one of the reasons that they

[Xiao Yao You]

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/10/24/utah-jazz-injuries-stories-history/


Last year, his injuries sidelined him for an extended stretch and the Jazz struggled during those games.

when Rudy was out as well


No GM can plan for injuries. In life and basketball

sure he can and he has. Too bad he didn't do it last year. They should be competing at a high level with this roster as long as Rudy is playing. Without him I wouldn't be as confident but we'll see.

[QUOTE]One thing is for certain

[WayOfWad3]

http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/10/21/13343058/nba-boston-celtics-gordon-hayward-the-new-john-havlicek-utah-jazz
Lol, Celtics think the can trade for Gordon Hayward this year. Don't think that's happening

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE]The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has elected to exercise its third-year team option for forward Trey Lyles, as well as its fourth-year options on Dant

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/10/21/13343058/nba-boston-celtics-gordon-hayward-the-new-john-havlicek-utah-jazz
Lol, Celtics think the can trade for Gordon Hayward this year. Don't think that's happening

You never know. If the Jazz aren't playing well and they think they will lose him...

[El Kabong]

Not sure what rebranding entails but most guys should start in the D-leauge and have to earn a spot in the NBA. The league will be a lot better for it. I think we're headed in that direction though way too slowly.
Egos will play a big part in that idea struggling to get off the ground.

[qrich]

dk how y'all do game threads here, but got this one put together if y'all wanna use it:


http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w34/RareNBALogos/Portland.png VS http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w34/RareNBALogos/Utah.png
Portland Trail Blazers (0-0) VS Utah Jazz (0-0)

WHEN: Tuesday, October 25th at 7:00 PM PST/10:00 PM EST
WHERE: Moda Center in Portland, Oregon

https://blog-blogmediainc.netdna-ssl.com/upload/SportsBlogcom/68761/0678505001477409180_filepicker.jpg


Qs Quote:
Utah is a popular "dark-horse" pick, thus shedding that title, while Portland has high ambitions led by Lillard and his chase for an MVP award. A great early match-up between two of the sides expected to fight for the fourth seed and a potential first round preview. No Hayward will be tough for Utah, but they do have the depth to fight through.


Q's Prediction:
Blazers Win 103-95

Q's Quick Preview (http://mikesmind.sportsblog.com/posts/28169823/jazz-blazers-ready-to-kick-off-2016-17.html)

[Xiao Yao You]

Egos will play a big part in that idea struggling to get off the ground.

Oh certainly. The perception of the D-league has been changing though.

[Xiao Yao You]

dk how y'all do game threads here, but got this one put together if y'all wanna use it:


http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w34/RareNBALogos/Portland.png VS http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w34/RareNBALogos/Utah.png
Portland Trail Blazers (0-0) VS Utah Jazz (0-0)

WHEN: Tuesday, October 25th at 7:00 PM PST/10:00 PM EST
WHERE: Moda Center in Portland, Oregon

https://blog-blogmediainc.netdna-ssl.com/upload/SportsBlogcom/68761/0678505001477409180_filepicker.jpg


Qs Quote:
Utah is a popular "dark-horse" pick, thus shedding that title, while Portland has high ambitions led by Lillard and his chase for an MVP award. A great early match-up between two of the sides expected to fight for the fourth seed and a potential first round preview. No Hayward will be tough for Utah, but they do have the depth to fight through.


Q's Prediction:
Blazers Win 103-95

Q's Quick Preview (http://mikesmind.sportsblog.com/posts/28169823/jazz-blazers-ready-to-kick-off-2016-17.html)


thanks qrich!

Hood is not a projected starter? Favors is probable?

[Xiao Yao You]

Albert Nahmad: Six NBA teams are currently under salary floor: Sixers ($14.8M), Nuggets ($9.5M), Nets ($9.2M), Jazz ($4.2M), Suns ($3.3M), Wolves ($3.0M)