Ridiculous CNN debate poll.

[NumberSix]

Just when you think CNN can't get any worse, they keep pushing this poll of who won the debate...

Clinton: 62%
Trump: 27%

Turns out, this poll had a grand total of 521 votes. Not 521k. 521 votes. They also admitted they polled way more democrats than republicans.



On the other hand, the CNBC poll has just under 560,000 votes. In that poll it's...

Trump:62%
Clinton: 38%

The time magazine poll has over 1,000,000 votes...

Trump: 59%
Clinton: 41%


CBS New York poll...

Trump: 65%
Clinton: 35%


CBS News poll...

Trump: 77%
Clinton: 23%


Slate Poll

Trump: 54%
Clinton: 45%

[StephHamann]

Why does anyone care about polls or predictions from Vegas?

Did Brexit taught you guys nothing?

[navy]

That 521 poll could be more accurate than a 10 million person poll if the sample is representative.

[NumberSix]

That 521 poll could be more accurate than a 10 million person poll if the sample is representative.
Their poll isn't representative. 26% of the people polled were republicans. Trump got 27% of the vote.

[9erempiree]

https://s22.postimg.org/gtczjsma9/Firefox_Screenshot_2016_09_27_T09_36_10_175_Z.png

[Jameerthefear]

do u people know what an actual, legitimate poll is? like one that we can actually interpret real data from?

[NumberSix]

do u people know what an actual, legitimate poll is? like one that we can actually interpret real data from?
Translation: "CNN is the only poll Hillary won. CNN is the only legit poll."

[UK2K]

NJ.com (213k votes)

Trump 57%
Clinton 38%
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/09/who_won_debate_trump_clinton_poll_live_presidentia l.html

CNBC (778k votes)

Trump 66%
Clinton 34%
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/vote-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate.html

Slate... Mother ****ing left wing liberal news Slate

Trump 54%
Clinton 46%
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/09/first_presidential_debate_of_2016_who_won_vote_in_ our_poll.html

Fortune (452k votes)

Trump 52%
Clinton 48%
http://fortune.com/2016/09/26/presidential-debate-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/

Politipo (no idea what this is) (60k votes)

Trump 77%
Clinton 23%
http://politopinion.com/2016/09/won-2016-presidential-debate/

Las Vegas Sun

Trump 81%
Clinton 19%
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/sep/26/poll-who-will-win-tonights-clinton-trump-debate/


But you'll see 10,000 articles about how Clinton won the debate today. :oldlol: :oldlol:

Then those same headlines will be repeated over and over again once everyone else gets their marching orders.

[~primetime~]

I was able to vote on CNBC multiple times...last night Hill was winning that one


Anyway, there are far more kids on the internet than adults, I'm betting half those polled are under age

[~primetime~]

Everyone knows Hillary won, even OP knows that

Anyone who watched that understands Trump looked bad

[TheMan]

Yo 6, relax hombre...

Just wait for the national polls coming in the next few days...

If you truly believe Trump won (lol), the polls will reflect that.

HC will be up by 5% on average nationally by this weekend...

Book it

[Jameerthefear]

Translation: "CNN is the only poll Hillary won. CNN is the only legit poll."
translation: i don't know how basic polling works

[Orlando Magic]

translation: i don't know how basic polling works

You're an uneducated spoiled little shit that doesn't know anything about life that thinks he knows everything. It's ok though... we've all been there.

For the record... Trump and Clinton would both cease operations if they cared about their country. They're both horrible self serving assholes.

[DonDadda59]

OP is hurting BAD.

[INDENT]Start with a CNN poll of debate-watchers, which showed that 62 percent of voters thought Clinton won the debate compared to 27 percent for Trump

[TommyGriffin]

Last night was a boxing match, Hilary was Money Mayweather and Trump was CM Punk.

[Funktion]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/funnymunny77/Mobile%20Uploads/download_zpsbqkonsie.png

[~primetime~]

So here is why suddenly all of the polls that Hillary was winning last night are now being won by Trump:

4chan and Reddit bombarded debate polls to declare Trump the winner (http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/)


:oldlol:



It's a good thing 4Chan can't rig the actual election

[highwhey]

So here is why suddenly all of the polls that Hillary was winning last night are now being won by Trump:

4chan and Reddit bombarded debate polls to declare Trump the winner (http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/)


:oldlol:



It's a good thing 4Chan can't rig the actual election
:lol

[fiddy]

It's a good thing 4Chan can't rig the actual election
The elections are rigged, wake up bruh

[Jameerthefear]

So here is why suddenly all of the polls that Hillary was winning last night are now being won by Trump:

4chan and Reddit bombarded debate polls to declare Trump the winner (http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/)


:oldlol:



It's a good thing 4Chan can't rig the actual election
this is why the op isn't very smart

[UK2K]

So here is why suddenly all of the polls that Hillary was winning last night are now being won by Trump:

4chan and Reddit bombarded debate polls to declare Trump the winner (http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/)


:oldlol:



It's a good thing 4Chan can't rig the actual election
Ironic.

[NumberSix]

Many people are saying that Iranian hackers rigged the CNN poll.

[andgar923]

So here is why suddenly all of the polls that Hillary was winning last night are now being won by Trump:

4chan and Reddit bombarded debate polls to declare Trump the winner (http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/)


:oldlol:



It's a good thing 4Chan can't rig the actual election
I don't think this is funny at all. It's actually troubling and scary.

[Nick Young]

Yo 6, relax hombre...

Just wait for the national polls coming in the next few days...

If you truly believe Trump won (lol), the polls will reflect that.

HC will be up by 5% on average nationally by this weekend...

Book it
https://i.redd.it/kmgj9d2u42ox.jpg

[Nick Young]

So here is why suddenly all of the polls that Hillary was winning last night are now being won by Trump:

4chan and Reddit bombarded debate polls to declare Trump the winner (http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/)


:oldlol:



It's a good thing 4Chan can't rig the actual election

The new narrative is that you can't trust online polls now. So why was CNN constantly shoving online polls in everyone's face all campaign season long?


You are accusing them of doing what Hillary's paid "supporters" from Correct the Record have actually been doing.

Very sad that you don't realize this.

[andgar923]

https://i.redd.it/kmgj9d2u42ox.jpg
Is this a joke?

Oh, he doesn't know:oldlol:

[Nick Young]

Is this a joke?

Oh, he doesn't know:oldlol:
The CNN poll only had 521 people questioned, with a massive oversampling of Democrats.

Very sad.

[NumberSix]

The CNN poll only had 521 people questioned, with a massive oversampling of Democrats.

Very sad.
No, you've got it all wrong. That CNN poll is the only legit poll. Every other poll was rigged by 4chan and possibly, the Jews.

[~primetime~]

No, you've got it all wrong. That CNN poll is the only legit poll. Every other poll was rigged by 4chan and possibly, the Jews.
Hillary was winning all those other crap polls last night when I went to bed...BEFORE 4Chan/Reddit got a hold of them

[NumberSix]

Hillary was winning all those other crap polls last night when I went to bed...BEFORE 4Chan/Reddit got a hold of them
Lol. You're talking about millions of votes. :roll:

What are you going to say on Election Day? "No, it was rigged. 4chan told people to go vote".

[Nick Young]

Hillary was winning all those other crap polls last night when I went to bed...BEFORE 4Chan/Reddit got a hold of them


A new narrative appears.

If 4 Chan and reddit had as much political sway as you're projecting on to them, Trump would be up 20 points in every state. :roll: :roll: :roll:

You can only ignore the will of the people for so long before they get mad enough to carry out their will themselves.

[Nick Young]

Lol. You're talking about millions of votes. :roll:

What are you going to say on Election Day? "No, it was rigged. 4chan told people to go vote".
"4chan and reddit cheated. Hillary is the true president."


Everyone say it was biased. Everyone saw Holt and Hillary working together. Everyone saw Holt giving Hillary perfect setups for her prewritten responses. Hillary came off as a smug and insincere criminal. The media seems to be working alongside Clinton and is acting in a biased fashion.

It fits consistently with what the American people have been saying for a long time. It fits consistently with their description of Hillary from the Commander-in-Chief forum.

Primetime-people like you can continue to remain out of touch and ignore reality, but sticking your head in the sand is not going to change reality for you.

MAGA is coming.

[BoutPractice]

When Trump's own team goes into the spin room with their head down saying "F*ck, let's do this" while Clinton's surrogates are all smiles...

When even Rudy Giuliani says "Trump may have lost the first debate BUT" ...

and blames the moderator...

and suggests perhaps Trump shouldn't do any more debates in the future...

When Trump himself claim the debate was rigged against him because his "mic was defective"...

It kind of speaks for itself, doesn't it?

[Nick Young]

When Trump's own team goes into the spin room with their head down saying "F*ck, let's do this" while Clinton's surrogates are all smiles...

When even Rudy Giuliani says "Trump may have lost the first debate BUT" ...

and blames the moderator...

and suggests perhaps Trump shouldn't do any more debates in the future...

When Trump himself claim the debate was rigged against him because his "mic was defective"...

It kind of speaks for itself, doesn't it?
It doesn't matter what political insiders think.

It matters what the people think. Debates aren't about winning. They're about public perception.

According to what the people are saying, Trump won these debates.


You can continue to ignore hundreds of thousands of the American people's opinions if you want to. I won't.

[UK2K]

When Trump's own team goes into the spin room with their head down saying "F*ck, let's do this" while Clinton's surrogates are all smiles...

When even Rudy Giuliani says "Trump may have lost the first debate BUT" ...

and blames the moderator...

and suggests perhaps Trump shouldn't do any more debates in the future...

When Trump himself claim the debate was rigged against him because his "mic was defective"...

It kind of speaks for itself, doesn't it?

You would think all of Clinton's IT staffers pleading the fifth speaks for itself as well...

But if you look at this board, you'd be wrong.

[TheMan]

All in due time, Trumptards. All in due time.

Just wait until the national polls that include people who saw the debate come out later this week.

When Hilldawg is surging, you'll have your unequivocal answer as to who won the first debate...

Patience, my boys, patience.

:pimp:

I'll be here to remind you all...

[NumberSix]

All in due time, Trumptards. All in due time.

Just wait until the national polls that include people who saw the debate come out later this week.

When Hilldawg is surging, you'll have your unequivocal answer as to who won the first debate...

Patience, my boys, patience.

:pimp:

I'll be here to remind you all...
But, what if she doesn't surge? Are you going to say she didn't win or come up with some excuse why it doesn't matter?

[Nick Young]

But, what if she doesn't surge? Are you going to say she didn't win or come up with some excuse why it doesn't matter?
She isn't going to surge. Millennials didn't watch the debates and don't vote anyways.

The undecideds have overwhelmingly sided with Trump as the winner of last night's debate. (http://nypost.com/2016/09/26/the-best-debate-takes-come-from-inside-the-bar/)


“Have to say Trump had the edge this evening, he came out swinging but also talked about specifics on jobs and the economy,” Reed said.
Modal Trigger
[B]
Reed said Clinton came across as either smug or as though she was reading her r

[DonDadda59]

...

I see you woke up nice and triggered today. What happened to you last night? We missed you during the Humbling at Hofstra.

[dude77]

Based Trump destroys crooked hillary and puts her in her place in first debate (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daUGtF1Rz8s)

Based Trump destroys crooked hillary and puts her in her place in first debate (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0-OP67e7Es)

[DonDadda59]

New REAL Poll:

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2016-09-27/debate1.png

83% of Democrats called it for Clinton, and 68% of Republicans said that Trump won. Among independents, however, sentiment clearly favors Hillary. 54% of independents who watched the debate say that Clinton won, compared to 28% who say that Trump won.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/09/27/57-viewers-say-clinton-won-first-debate/

[Nick Young]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/18/article-2525602-1A2B2A3600000578-553_634x408.jpg

Reality:
https://i.redd.it/kmgj9d2u42ox.jpg

[Poetry]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtVw5K3WEAATjMB.jpg

Trump got a little help.

[DonDadda59]

https://media.giphy.com/media/4bWWKmUnn5E4/giphy.gif


4Chan trolling the shit out of gullible fools. The same gullible fools who thought a reality TV con man buffoon could hang with Hillary in a 1 on 1 policy debate. :yaohappy:

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2016-09-27/debate1.png

83% of Democrats called it for Clinton, and 68% of Republicans said that Trump won. Among independents, however, sentiment clearly favors Hillary. 54% of independents who watched the debate say that Clinton won, compared to 28% who say that Trump won.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/09/27/57-viewers-say-clinton-won-first-debate/

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/57e9f333077dcc1b008b85d1-1184/screen%20shot%202016-09-26%20at%2011.33.17%20pm.png

Benchmark Politics ‏@benchmarkpol 16h16 hours ago
PPP who won the debate?

Clinton 51%
Trump 40%


[B]Frank Luntz ‏@FrankLuntz 5h5 hours ago
Last nite's focus group

BEFORE

[upside24]

Everyone knows Hillary won, even OP knows that

Anyone who watched that understands Trump looked bad
Exactly. He spent more time interrupting Clinton and the mod, lying and getting baited time and time again to get his message across.

[bladefd]

So here is why suddenly all of the polls that Hillary was winning last night are now being won by Trump:

4chan and Reddit bombarded debate polls to declare Trump the winner (http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/)

:oldlol:

It's a good thing 4Chan can't rig the actual election

Trump boys know this is the only "W" they will be getting anytime soon. :roll: :roll:

Wait until November when they realize how much of a joke they were and look themselves in the mirror. :facepalm

[9erempiree]

Trump boys know this is the only "W" they will be getting anytime soon. :roll: :roll:

Wait until November when they realize how much of a joke they were and look themselves in the mirror. :facepalm

Typical fake Bernie supporter.

Were you really supporting Bernie? You're stanning for Clinton in every thread.

I think you pretended to support him so you can say you neither supported Trump or Hillary but you really are a Clinton supporter.

[Nick Young]

Typical fake Bernie supporter.

Were you really supporting Bernie? You're stanning for Clinton in every thread.
Bladefd bent the knee unquestioningly to Hillary as soon as he was told to.

Just like his leader Bernie Sanders.

[bladefd]

Typical fake Bernie supporter.

Were you really supporting Bernie? You're stanning for Clinton in every thread.

I think you pretended to support him so you can say you neither supported Trump or Hillary but you really are a Clinton supporter.

:facepalm

Calling out Trump and his foolish supporters is stanning for Clinton? In what universe?? :facepalm

[bladefd]

Just because I call out person x doesn't mean I love person y. Just because I call out person y doesn't mean I love person x. Get it together, Trump boys.

[9erempiree]

:facepalm

Calling out Trump and his foolish supporters is stanning for Clinton? In what universe?? :facepalm

There is a reason why you don't call out Clinton.

You support her.

Remember Bernie told you guys too.

:confusedshrug:

Since you don't have a dog in this fight...you shouldn't be participating as if one is better than the other when Bernie was screwed by the DNC.

Did you forget to praise Trump for bringing that up? I know you praised Trump for his trade policy.:rockon: At the same time you praise Hillary for 'apologizing' for the server.:biggums:

Trade policy >>> Calling out Hillary for Bernie screw job>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'apology' for server.

[Nick Young]

Don't forget.

Hillary now has all of the money that Bernie raised from the people.

And she's flushing it all down the toilet on TV ad slots that aren't effective.

[~primetime~]

Those polls that 4Chan rigged, it's just going to scare Hillary supporters into going out and voting.

Maybe that is what they were going for, but I am thinking they are just going for a laugh.

[Nick Young]

Did 4Chan rig this poll too, sport?

Here is the latest age demographic breakdown according to the most current and accurate post-debate poll. (http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-usc-daybreak-poll-methodology-20160714-snap-story.html)

https://i.redd.it/pjih6yzof3ox.png

[bladefd]

There is a reason why you don't call out Clinton.
You support her.
Remember Bernie told you guys too.
:confusedshrug:
Since you don't have a dog in this fight...you shouldn't be participating as if one is better than the other when Bernie was screwed by the DNC.
Did you forget to praise Trump for bringing that up? I know you praised Trump for his trade policy.:rockon: At the same time you praise Hillary for 'apologizing' for the server.:biggums:
Trade policy >>> Calling out Hillary for Bernie screw job>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'apology' for server.

What choice do I have? It is either vote for hillary or vote for 3rd party or not vote at all. No way am I not voting.

As for 3rd parties, none of them are realistic candidates - I have not heard jill stein or gary johnson speak once, and they were not on the debate stand since you need 15% of poll support minimum (should be 10%). Feel free to enlighten me on their positions.

All I said about the emails is there is no more damage Trump can do since Hillary admitted it was a mistake. That argument is not going to win Trump any more points.

[Nick Young]

You genuinely believe that Hillary admitting to the mistake of leaking classified emails and state secrets and then trying to cover it up is going to make the issue go away?

(it won't)


The Clinton Foundation is still currently under federal investigation, sport.

[DonDadda59]

Did 4Chan rig this poll too, sport?


Dawg, the LA Times themselves have basically admitted their poll is bullshit.

You have to start getting realistic about all this. Time's a tickin'.

[Nick Young]

Dawg, the LA Times themselves have basically admitted their poll is bullshit.

You have to start getting realistic about all this. Time's a tickin'.
That never happened.

[DonDadda59]

That never happened.

Dawg.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-polling-differences-20160809-snap-story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/upshot/a-favorable-poll-for-donald-trump-has-a-major-problem.html?_r=0

June 2, 2016:

The Vermont senator has battled Clinton to a draw among all voters eligible for the Democratic primary, with 44% siding with him to 43% for Clinton. That represented a nine-point swing from a USC/Los Angeles Times poll in March, in which Clinton led handily.

June 7, 2016:

http://i64.tinypic.com/2daant4.jpg

Dawg. Time to start being realistic.

[TheMan]

You genuinely believe that Hillary admitting to the mistake of leaking classified emails and state secrets and then trying to cover it up is going to make the issue go away?

(it won't)


The Clinton Foundation is still currently under federal investigation, sport.
Why do you think calling people "sport" is clever and or cool?

shit is lame af.

Anyway, you're delusional if you think Clinton won't bring up Trump's lack of transperacy anymore. I could already see the political ads using Trum's own words stating he's "too smart to pay taxes" :oldlol:

I also love how HC said that Trump won't release them because he either owes 650 million to Wall Street, isn't worth nearly as much as he claims or doesn't pay taxes...and Trump took the bait.

savage :applause:

[Nick Young]

Why do you think calling people "sport" is clever and or cool?

shit is lame af.

It certainly is effective at bringing out the butthurt in people, old sport.

https://media.giphy.com/media/GCLlQnV7wzKLu/giphy.gif




Anyway, you're delusional if you think Clinton won't bring up Trump's lack of transperacy anymore. I could already see the political ads using Trum's own words stating he's "too smart to pay taxes" :oldlol:

I also love how HC said that Trump won't release them because he either owes 650 million to Wall Street, isn't worth nearly as much as he claims or doesn't pay taxes...and Trump took the bait.

savage :applause:
No one is paying attention to the TV ads.

This isn't 2008, old timer.

Clinton is outspending Trump exponentially in TV ads and the polls have her either neck and neck with Trump or outright losing.

Flushing more money down the toilet on these primetime TV smear ads is not going to make people like KKKlinton.


Hillary Clinton has been at this for 30 years. The American people know who she is by now.

http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/nothing.jpg

[NumberSix]

Why do you think calling people "sport" is clever and or cool?

shit is lame af.

Anyway, you're delusional if you think Clinton won't bring up Trump's lack of transperacy anymore. I could already see the political ads using Trum's own words stating he's "too smart to pay taxes" :oldlol:

I also love how HC said that Trump won't release them because he either owes 650 million to Wall Street, isn't worth nearly as much as he claims or doesn't pay taxes...and Trump took the bait.

savage :applause:
Taxes say your net worth and how much money you owe to Wall Street? Do Hillary's taxes say how many emails she deleted?

[JtotheIzzo]

But you'll see 10,000 articles about how Clinton won the debate today. :oldlol: :oldlol:

Then those same headlines will be repeated over and over again once everyone else gets their marching orders.

acting like this doesn't happen both ways is silly.

Its Red Sox vs Yankees, no one is going to be unbiased.

[~primetime~]

acting like this doesn't happen both ways is silly.

Its Red Sox vs Yankees, no one is going to be unbiased.
Lots of Republicans have admitted Trump lost

[JtotheIzzo]

Lots of Republicans have admitted Trump lost

all sane people have (despite my other thread), but the sane republicans won't step up, they are cucks (to use the parlance of the Trumptard) and will only commit to third party options at this point.

This is bad news for Hillary.

[NumberSix]

Lots of Republicans have admitted Trump lost
Washington insiders and people in the media think Hillary won because they still haven't figured out that they aren't the audience that Trump is speaking to. That's the audience that Hillary is speaking to.

[FillJackson]

Washington insiders and people in the media think Hillary won because they still haven't figured out that they aren't the audience that Trump is speaking to. That's the audience that Hillary is speaking to.

Trump lost because Trump lost.

Trump did worse than Palin in her first debate. She lost to Biden, but people thought she did OK and exceeded expectations.

Trump's performance was the third worse debate since 1984
Start with a CNN poll of debate-watchers, which showed that 62 percent of voters thought Clinton won the debate compared to 27 percent for Trump — a 35-point margin. That’s the third-widest margin ever in a CNN or Gallup post-debate poll, which date back to 1984.

One of the three that was worse was the first debate in 2012, when Obama tried to play a prevent defense and didn't attack Romney. A terrible strategy.

Romney got a bump after that debate that lasted until the second debate when his performance reassured people. Romney netted 4.4 points from that first debate.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/8874/large/debate_chart_national.png

There is a rough correlation between a debate viewing poll and a subesquent bump in the real polls, Nate Silver thinks (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-won-the-debate-which-means-shes-likely-to-gain-in-the-polls/)

The data is certainly noisy, but an emphatic win on the order of what Clinton or Romney achieved — and perhaps what Hillary Clinton achieved on Monday night — might be expected to produce a swing of 2 to 4 percentage points in horse-race polls. Even a 2-point gain would do wonders for Clinton, who would go from a fairly uncomfortable position in the Electoral College to a fairly comfortable one, and who would emerge with a 3-to-4-point lead in the popular vote.

[TheMan]

It certainly is effective at bringing out the butthurt in people, old sport.

https://media.giphy.com/media/GCLlQnV7wzKLu/giphy.gif


No one is paying attention to the TV ads.

This isn't 2008, old timer.

Clinton is outspending Trump exponentially in TV ads and the polls have her either neck and neck with Trump or outright losing.

Flushing more money down the toilet on these primetime TV smear ads is not going to make people like KKKlinton.


Hillary Clinton has been at this for 30 years. The American people know who she is by now.

http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/nothing.jpg
No one is paying attention? Then why was the Donald all triggered and whining and moaning about the "constant attack ads"?

It got his attention :oldlol:

And attack ads main function is to convince the undecideds and the less enthusiastic Trump supporters not to vote for him.

And they're working, his negatives are still very high, that's why they keep doing it...:cheers:

[NumberSix]

Trump lost because Trump lost.

Trump did worse than Palin in her first debate. She lost to Biden, but people thought she did OK and exceeded expectations.

Trump's performance was the third worse debate since 1984

One of the three that was worse was the first debate in 2012, when Obama tried to play a prevent defense and didn't attack Romney. A terrible strategy.

Romney got a bump after that debate that lasted until the second debate when his performance reassured people. Romney netted 4.4 points from that first debate.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/8874/large/debate_chart_national.png

There is a rough correlation between a debate viewing poll and a subesquent bump in the real polls, Nate Silver thinks (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-won-the-debate-which-means-shes-likely-to-gain-in-the-polls/)
That CNN poll has already been debunked. 26% of the people they polled were republicans. 27% of the people polled say Trump won. It's not hard to figure out what happened.

[FillJackson]

That CNN poll has already been debunked. 26% of the people they polled were republicans. 27% of the people polled say Trump won. It's not hard to figure out what happened.

None of what you say is a debunking.

It could be a bad poll or an outlier, but probably not.

In the first, true-after-debate poll 18 percent of the Republicans in the poll thought Hilary won.

[DonDadda59]

Science.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtcFSZvWcAAgDhk.jpg

[Nick Young]

None of what you say is a debunking.

It could be a bad poll or an outlier, but probably not.

In the first, true-after-debate poll 18 percent of the Republicans in the poll thought Hilary won.
The CNN poll had only 541 people and only 26% were Republicans XD

[FKAri]

https://s22.postimg.org/gtczjsma9/Firefox_Screenshot_2016_09_27_T09_36_10_175_Z.png
This could be said with regards to bin Laden right before we caught him too :lol

[Terahite]

This could be said with regards to bin Laden right before we caught him too :lol

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WelldocumentedSecondaryGalapagostortoise-size_restricted.gif

[DonDadda59]

Science.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtcFSZvWcAAgDhk.jpg

Killin em with Science.


#NEW National @NBCnews/@SurveyMonkey Poll,
Who Won The Debate?:

Clinton 52% (+31)
Trump 21%
Neither 26%



Echelon ‏@EchelonInsights 6h6 hours ago
Who won the debate?

RVs

Clinton 48
Trump 22

Watched entire debate (Clinton led this group by 10)

Clinton 58
Trump 26

Science!

[TheMan]

:applause:

Anyone who watched the debate saw that HC took over the debate after Trump started strong.

Dude was flustered, constantly interrupting her and got triggered af.

He drank more water than lil' Marco in all his debates put together.

Funny how the King of Trolls got trolled the fukk out.

:applause:

[Nick Young]

:applause:

Anyone who watched the debate saw that HC took over the debate after Trump started strong.

Dude was flustered, constantly interrupting her and got triggered af.

He drank more water than lil' Marco in all his debates put together.

Funny how the King of Trolls got trolled the fukk out.

:applause:

Trump won on the back of NAFTA, the TPP, defense, and talking about the other issues voters care about.



Hillary won on birtherism and calling people racist-two things that only social justice warrior babies care about when it comes to being president.

Hillary clearly lost in the court of public opinion, and that's all these debates come down to in the end.

It turns out Holt and KKKlinton's planned tag team backfired on them badly. It just made Trump look like a plucky underdog going up against two bullies and a rigged system, at least to the common American watching on TV.

Can you hear the people sing? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDUwXFvTJfA)

https://i.redd.it/kmgj9d2u42ox.jpg

[TheMan]

Meanwhile in the real world, Clinton is ticking upwards at 538, RCP, Prof Sam Wang's Princeton Election Consortium...you know, the websites that have a proven record of accuracy.

I'm chillin' like a villian, compadre...no fukks given. :D

[TheMan]

This dude, Professor Sam Wang isn't as known as Nate Silver but he has proven to be as accurate as 538...anyways, his take.

[Quote]I have little to say about last night

[9erempiree]

Meanwhile in the real world, Clinton is ticking upwards at 538, RCP, Prof Sam Wang's Princeton Election Consortium...you know, the websites that have a proven record of accuracy.

I'm chillin' like a villian, compadre...no fukks given. :D

Still stanning for someone you hate huh.

[TheMan]

Still stanning for someone you hate huh.
Don't like =/= hate

I HATE Donald Trump.

I don't like Hillary (a typical politician, no better no worse) but I can live with her being prez, Trump would damage the country like we've never seen before.

With these choices, fukk yeah I'm gonna stan her, and hold her feet to the fire when she becomes president and if she doesn't deliver, in 4 years we'll oppose her but by then, Trump most likely will have died of a massive heart attack, the fat fukk.

[DonDadda59]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtcFSZvWcAAgDhk.jpg


Killin em with Science.


#NEW National @NBCnews/@SurveyMonkey Poll,
Who Won The Debate?:

Clinton 52% (+31)
Trump 21%
Neither 26%



Echelon ‏@EchelonInsights 6h6 hours ago
Who won the debate?

RVs

Clinton 48
Trump 22

Watched entire debate (Clinton led this group by 10)

Clinton 58
Trump 26

Science!

It's Poetry in motion.


http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/USA-ELECTION/010021X34PN/USA-ELECTION-POLL-C.jpg



Ridiculous.

[DonDadda59]

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls 1h1 hour ago Raleigh, NC
54% of voters nationally say that Clinton won the debate Monday night, 31% say Trump won


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CthWtiBUkAAOMQA.jpg:large

https://media.giphy.com/media/L5jXcnbp2dkZi/giphy.gif

[DonDadda59]

#NEW National @GallupNews Poll
Who Won The Debate?:

Clinton 61% (+34)
Trump 27%

NumberSix:

https://38.media.tumblr.com/d13f2135bc8285e627842dd885c49ed7/tumblr_ng03orYDVf1ruqqm0o1_500.gif

[senelcoolidge]

Kinda sad that Clinton supposedly won when she was not substantive...she didn't say anything important. For a debate it was garbage. So much could have been covered yet it was all mostly about non issues like taxes and birthers. A big waste of time. That's why it won't sway anybody toward either side for the most part. Superficially it was a Clinton win, but below the surface Trump came out on top.

[9erempiree]

Kinda sad that Clinton supposedly won when she was not substantive...she didn't say anything important. For a debate it was garbage. So much could have been covered yet it was all mostly about non issues like taxes and birthers. A big waste of time. That's why it won't sway anybody toward either side for the most part. Superficially it was a Clinton win, but below the surface Trump came out on top.

:lol

Remember when people said she will kill Trump on policy?

Those people that said Hillary won even said the highlight of the night was Trump laying down his policies. :hammerhead:

She doesn't want to go toe to toe with Trump about policies.

[~primetime~]

Kinda sad that Clinton supposedly won when she was not substantive...she didn't say anything important. For a debate it was garbage. So much could have been covered yet it was all mostly about non issues like taxes and birthers. A big waste of time. That's why it won't sway anybody toward either side for the most part. Superficially it was a Clinton win, but below the surface Trump came out on top.
The most informative part was at the start, when Trump explained he is for making the rich even more rich, "Trumped up Trickle Down" and Hillary explained she wants to heavily tax the rich and invest in the middle class.

That's the biggest difference in their visions for the economy.

Trickle down economics doesn't work and Trump wants to make the gap between the rich and poor even bigger than it is now.

[9erempiree]

The most informative part was at the start, when Trump explained he is for making the rich even more rich, "Trumped up Trickle Down" and Hillary explained she wants to heavily tax the rich and invest in the middle class.

That's the biggest difference in their visions for the economy.

Trickle down economics doesn't work and Trump wants to make the gap between the rich and poor even bigger than it is now.

Again....do your own research. Stop embarrassing us voters.

When people like to talk about taxes they like to talk about the very wealthy but they fail to look across the board.

Trump is lowering taxes across the board which includes the very wealthy too.

Go figure out your taxes. Trump vs. Hillary and then come back at me. Please don't tell me you want to pay more taxes.

[~primetime~]

Again....do your own research. Stop embarrassing us voters.

When people like to talk about taxes they like to talk about the very wealthy but they fail to look across the board.

Trump is lowering taxes across the board which includes the very wealthy too.

Go figure out your taxes. Trump vs. Hillary and then come back at me. Please don't tell me you want to pay more taxes.
I want the elite rich to pay more taxes

I want to close the ridiculous gap between the wealthy and poor

The gap is there because billionaires like Trump don't pay taxes

Hillary wants to fix that...her plan is clear, anyone who things she isn't explaining herself just isn't listening

[TommyGriffin]

I want the elite rich to pay more taxes

I want to close the ridiculous gap between the wealthy and poor

The gap is there because billionaires like Trump don't pay taxes

Hillary wants to fix that...her plan is clear, anyone who things she isn't explaining herself just isn't listening
Bingo.

[9erempiree]

I want the elite rich to pay more taxes

I want to close the ridiculous gap between the wealthy and poor

The gap is there because billionaires like Trump don't pay taxes

Hillary wants to fix that...her plan is clear, anyone who things she isn't explaining herself just isn't listening

Trump's plan is to lower taxes for the poor.

Hillary is raising taxes on the poor.

Like i said go do your taxes under both plans and stop worrying about others.

You will be very happy under Trump's plan.

[senelcoolidge]

I want the elite rich to pay more taxes

I want to close the ridiculous gap between the wealthy and poor

The gap is there because billionaires like Trump don't pay taxes

Hillary wants to fix that...her plan is clear, anyone who things she isn't explaining herself just isn't listening

Hillary is raising taxes...for everyone! This is not a secret.

[~primetime~]

Hillary is raising taxes...for everyone! This is not a secret.
I don't care as long as the elite rich ARE properly taxed

Right now they hills all the money and pay no taxes because of loop holes. If Hillary fixes that all that money will be pumped into the middle class, mostly via college debt relief. The economy will be booming.

What Trump wants to do is make the rich even richer!!! In hopes that in return the rich will create more jobs, but Trickle down economics has been shown not to work.

[9erempiree]

I don't care as long as the elite rich ARE properly taxed

Right now they hills all the money and pay no taxes because of loop holes. If Hillary fixes that all that money will be pumped into the middle class, mostly via college debt relief. The economy will be booming.

What Trump wants to do is make the rich even richer!!! In hopes that in return the rich will create more jobs, but Trickle down economics has been shown not to work.
:roll:

Bolded. She's not fixing anything.

Stop worrying about the rich and the poor. We have to define poor and we have to worry about ourselves.

Don't be the 'I WANT TO PAY MORE TAXES' crowd. Nobody wants to pay more taxes when they squander our tax dollars on some dumb shit.

[~primetime~]

The affects on the taxes of the middle class will be minimal under both Trump and Hill. The difference on the rich will be MASSIVE.

and under Hills plan, all those billions of extra dollars (because the rich hold all the money) will be pumped into the middle class.

Dont let the "oh I'll be better off paying 1% less in taxes" fool you. The entire middle class will be worse off.

[Hawker]

I don't care as long as the elite rich ARE properly taxed

Right now they hills all the money and pay no taxes because of loop holes. If Hillary fixes that all that money will be pumped into the middle class, mostly via college debt relief. The economy will be booming.

What Trump wants to do is make the rich even richer!!! In hopes that in return the rich will create more jobs, but Trickle down economics has been shown not to work.

You sound like a 16 year old high schooler that is just repeating lines from his democrat parents. (aka what I was doing in HS)

[senelcoolidge]

I don't care as long as the elite rich ARE properly taxed

Right now they hills all the money and pay no taxes because of loop holes. If Hillary fixes that all that money will be pumped into the middle class, mostly via college debt relief. The economy will be booming.

What Trump wants to do is make the rich even richer!!! In hopes that in return the rich will create more jobs, but Trickle down economics has been shown not to work.

Under Obama the middle class has atrophied. The middle class is disappearing and under Clinton it will continue. Her rich friends will get the contracts and breaks...not you.

[DonDadda59]

You sound like a 16 year old high schooler that is just repeating lines from his democrat parents. (aka what I was doing in HS)

Or maybe, being an Insidehoops poster has made him into a better-educated and more informed citizen (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=392855). :applause:

[TommyGriffin]

You sound like a 16 year old high schooler that is just repeating lines from his democrat parents. (aka what I was doing in HS)
You sound like a bratty kid who doesn't want to pay taxes when he inherits daddy's house.

[Hawker]

You sound like a bratty kid who doesn't want to pay taxes when he inherits daddy's house.

Why do you want free shit from me?

[Nick Young]

https://i.sli.mg/G0Krgo.png

[LBJMVP]

debates honestly don't even matter.

it similar to basketball... when your a fan of one team all the calls by the ref against your team are horrible and all the call for your team are good calls.

works the same as the debate. your mind is already made up on who your gonna vote for you so your brain is gonna think any thing the opposing party says is stupid and your party answers sound great.

[~primetime~]

You sound like a 16 year old high schooler that is just repeating lines from his democrat parents. (aka what I was doing in HS)
I sound like Hillary during the debate

I'm repeating her


YOU sound threatened, maybe it's because you know her plan is better

[TommyGriffin]

I sound like Hillary during the debate

I'm repeating her


YOU sound threatened, maybe it's because you know her plan is better
He is threatened. He is just talking out of his ass so he has to pay less taxes. :lol

[~primetime~]

Or maybe, being an Insidehoops poster has made him into a better-educated and more informed citizen (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=392855). :applause:
You know


Somehow rich people actually convinced the middle class that they'll be better off if the wealthy hold onto all the money:facepalm

[Nick Young]

You know


Somehow rich people actually convinced the middle class that they'll be better off if the wealthy hold onto all the money:facepalm

Hillary Clinton: "We are going to raise taxes on the middle class." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNTwYQGeWow)

[DonDadda59]

You know


Somehow rich people actually convinced the middle class that they'll be better off if the wealthy hold onto all the money:facepalm

http://ct.politicomments.com/ol/pc/sw/i56/2/1/23/pc_a68f05139dfa669f88b0ddf5e217567e.jpg

It takes 2 to run a scam- the scammer and the sucker.

SAD (https://youtu.be/zDFo2Iok06Y?t=30s)


Hillary Clinton:

[B][SIZE="4"]Hillary Clinton ‏@HillaryClinton 8h8 hours ago
[COLOR="Blue"]"I will not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000.

[~primetime~]

Yeah that's clearly a slip in that vid, she meant "the rich" not the middle class.

[9erempiree]

Her website doesn't give those details.

Everything is in that book she's selling. :facepalm

Also, why is everyone suddenly on the 'I WANT TO PAY MORE TAXES' bandwagon? :lol

I thought I've seen it all.

[~primetime~]

http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/11/pf/taxes/hillary-clinton-taxes/


^^^ there you go

[NumberSix]

Does anybody honestly believe that Hillary won't sign TPP into law?

They're gonna change 1 or 2 meaningless superficial details and then she's gonna be like "oh no, it's a totally different deal now. I wouldn't have signed it before but with these new 'changes' it's a really good deal".

C'mon son. We all know this is exactly what is going to happen.

[DonDadda59]

The OP's failure is now complete.

https://s18.postimg.org/ssjzonoxl/drumpf_loser_jpg_large.jpg

[Facepalm]

The OP's failure is now complete.

https://s18.postimg.org/ssjzonoxl/drumpf_loser_jpg_large.jpg


But but but..the liberal media!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[9erempiree]

Not just liberal media but all MSM.

FAUX news is just as a bad.

Anyways here is a list of major polls....most of them have over 500k to a million votes.


America thinks so too....

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/26/poll-won-first-presidential-debate/

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/780597822781468673

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/780597817605775360

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/780598620500393984

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/vote-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate.html

http://time.com/4506217/presidential-debate-clinton-trump-survey/

People probably watched it again and saw her deflecting.

Solid performance.

Just officially won the Drudge poll....very hard to comeback from that.

http://drudgereport.com/flashnyd.htm

Fortune

http://fortune.com/2016/09/26/presidential-debate-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/?xid=soc_socialflow_twitter_FORTUNE

Some liberal site

http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/poll-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate/

More polls are coming in.....

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/vote-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate.html

http://fox5sandiego.com/2016/09/26/who-won-the-first-presidential-debate/

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/780591168916754432

http://www.drudgereport.com/

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/26/poll-won-first-presidential-debate/

https://twitter.com/RPPNoticias/status/780568475731390464

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/780597817605775360?lang=en

https://twitter.com/pzf/status/780598058161610752

http://fortune.com/2016/09/26/presidential-debate-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/297924-poll-who-won-the-debate

https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/780598729975930880

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/780598600728477697

https://twitter.com/ABC7News/status/780597883481489408

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/09/who_won_debate_trump_clinton_poll_live_presidentia l.html

https://twitter.com/dandrezner/status/780597923667058688

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=news&q=WON%20THE%20DEBATE&src=typd

http://time.com/4506217/presidential-debate-clinton-trump-survey/

https://twitter.com/LoneVaultWander/status/780597199172345860?s=09

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/780597916549382145

https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/780598729975930880

http://www.roanoke.com/news/columns_and_blogs/blogs/times_square/polls/clinton-vs-trump-who-won-the-presidential-debate/article_244870b5-2fe9-5287-8009-8909ec8d677b.html

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/780598600728477697

http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/09/survey_who_won_the_first_clinton-trump_2016_presidential_debate.html

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/26/polls-polls-polls-ok-who-won-the-debate/

https://twitter.com/dandrezner/status/780597923667058688

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/sep/26/poll-who-will-win-tonights-clinton-trump-debate/

http://www.shelbystar.com/zz/elections/20160926/poll-who-won-first-clinton-trump-debate

https://twitter.com/ElNuevoDia/status/780598511100309506

https://twitter.com/VeronicaDLCruz/status/780600951153364992

https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/780600866411646976

https://twitter.com/kylekulinski/status/780602062354649088

https://twitter.com/enoreikaTV/status/780597902125178880

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/09/26/cbsnewyork-poll-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate/

http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/poll-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2016/sep/26/who-won-first-presidential-debate/results/

http://thetruthdivision.com/2016/09/take-our-poll-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate/

http://politicsnow.buffalonews.com/2016/09/26/poll-won-first-2016-presidential-debates/

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/09/who_won_debate_trump_clinton_poll_live_presidentia l.html

https://twitter.com/NickKristof/status/780598076599898112

https://twitter.com/HilaryClintin/status/780599616513474562

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-le-poll-debate-trump-clinton-20160926-story.html

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/politics/national-politics/poll-hillary-clinton-or-donald-trump-whos-winning-the-debate/326409462

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/09/first_presidential_debate_of_2016_who_won_vote_in_ our_poll.html

http://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/hillary-clinton-or-donald-trump-who-won-presidential-debate

https://twitter.com/KEEMSTAR/status/780597554148933632

https://twitter.com/RonicaCleary/status/780597813683982336

http://therightscoop.com/poll-who-won-tonights-presidential-debate-at-hofstra-hillary-or-trump/

http://azdailysun.com/news/local/reader-poll-who-do-you-think-won-the-first-presidential/poll_2b25f16b-d790-53d1-a457-13c05f4737e0.html

http://www.kitv.com/story/33253266/poll-in-your-opinion-who-won-the-2016-presidential-debate#WNPoll153426

https://twitter.com/WSJPolitics/status/780597562843594752

[Facepalm]

Not just liberal media but all MSM.

FAUX news is just as a bad.

Anyways here is a list of major polls....most of them have over 500k to a million votes.
And not a one is a scientific poll :sleeping

[TheMan]

And not a one is a scientific poll :sleeping
Yeah, they are again falling for the same shit they fell for in 2012 and 2008 when most scientific polls (online polls don't count) showed Obama winning.

All throughout this election cycle, Clinton has been leading the vast majority of the time yet Trump supporters believe the polls are biased (like in 08 and 12) only to be thoroughly dissapointed on Election Day.

Barring any unforeseeable drastic event(s) that would drastically change the direction of this presidential campaign, Clinton will win.