Can I interest anybody on changing their vote to Jill Stein (Green Party)? Anybody?

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://mrmilitantnegro.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/ohiogreenparty2016primary-2_0.png

https://concisepolitics.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/jill-stein-a-real-woman-for-humanity.png



You know in your heart... You have to vote Green.

It is time to change the game.



How can you not vote for a third party at this point?

[Terahite]

How can you not vote for a third party at this point?

Agreed. She clearly won that first debate.

She's getting the Perot treatment all over again. :facepalm

http://waytofamous.com/images/ross-perot-06.jpg

[Nick Young]

The Queen of Thorns is an awesome candidate for all you Berners out there. She's just like Bernie, except not a sell-out.

[~primetime~]

Voting for her helps Trump

No point in voting for her unless you want Trump to win

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/6e/d4/ba/6ed4baf1fc1014b5f08cf98e1fb953d2.jpg


Sounds good to me.

[Terahite]

Voting for her helps Trump

No point in voting for her unless you want Trump to win

melt down :lol

[9erempiree]

Yes.

If you don't like either candidates then vote for 3rd.

Getting out and vote is very important.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Voting for her helps Trump

No point in voting for her unless you want Trump to win


That's what we say every four years about the third party candidates.


That needs to change


http://www.phawker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/IMG_1984-e1469683013498.jpg

[Doomsday Dallas]

...


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/59/e6/97/59e6977002928eb62142bef9748a3763.jpg


That's not good for the oil industry.

[Terahite]

Hilldawg getting shit on from both left and right. :lebronamazed:

Brutal.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zSMVm0bY1MQ/UAWANsTh1QI/AAAAAAAAB7w/Yp-0FHaZoko/s1600/gladiator-thumbs-down.gif

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://65.media.tumblr.com/fd598820b70dae8ae532a5ec8d67af6a/tumblr_o6eks7lMhN1qm84byo1_500.jpg



(I'm very anti-fracking)

[Doomsday Dallas]

Hilldawg getting shit on from both left and right. :lebronamazed:



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnk3o_GVIAEaX-_.jpg

[~primetime~]

I'm all for getting rid of fracking too... But if we are being realistic, Jill has no shot of hell of winning.

I had not heard yet that Hillary is pro fracking, I hope thats just BS propaganda, but it's probably true :(

[Terahite]

I'm all for getting rid of fracking too... But if we are being realistic, Jill has no shot of hell of winning.

I had not heard yet that Hillary is pro fracking, I hope thats just BS propaganda, but it's probably true :(

meltdown. :roll:

[Doomsday Dallas]

Look at this @sshole... (in 2013)

http://www.exactsolar.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Trump-Fracking-Tweet.jpg

[~primetime~]

Look at this @sshole... (in 2013)

http://www.exactsolar.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Trump-Fracking-Tweet.jpg

Yeah Trump basically anti Green

He thinks climate change is a hoax.


That's why voting for Jill just takes away Hillary votes, the type of person that would vote for her would never touch Trump. They lean Hillary but are giving their vote to someone who can't win.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.informationliberation.com/files/cnn-poll-trump-lead-1.png


Who's Johnson stealing votes from?

[9erempiree]

https://www.informationliberation.com/files/cnn-poll-trump-lead-1.png


Who's Johnson stealing votes from?

Just get out and vote.

If you like Stein then go for it.

If you don't vote then you will never get to debate politics because you were not apart of it.

[JtotheIzzo]

https://mrmilitantnegro.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/ohiogreenparty2016primary-2_0.png

https://concisepolitics.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/jill-stein-a-real-woman-for-humanity.png



You know in your heart... You have to vote Green.

It is time to change the game.



How can you not vote for a third party at this point?

she can talk about what's wrong but lacks the ability to do anything about it.

weak candidate for the conspiracy set.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Just get out and vote.

If you like Stein then go for it.

If you don't vote then you will never get to debate politics because you were not apart of it.


If I am to vote for Stein... I would also have to campaign for her. :D

She is going to need my help.

http://rlv.zcache.com/dr_jill_stein_poster-r4b50131112314ac2a6f4a1c4ff9e576f_wvc_8byvr_324.jp g


This poster should be on every street corner in Dallas.


and this one too:

http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.236946901.6851/sticker,220x200-pad,220x200,ffffff.u7.jpg

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.238150846.6091/ra,unisex_tshirt,x1000,026541:3d4e1a7dce,front-c,235,200,225,294-bg,f8f8f8.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yUIAAOSwSv1XlwA8/s-l300.jpg

http://www.edseeman.com/images/JILLSTEIN7.jpg

http://www.talbot-heindl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Screen-shot-2015-07-20-at-3.55.14-PM.png

[Doomsday Dallas]

Stein will NOT appear on the ballot, or be a write-in candidate in three states now: Nevada, Oklahoma, and South Dakota.

So unfair.

two-party-system is why democracy is broken.

[JtotheIzzo]

So unfair.

two-party-system is why democracy is broken.


Loser talk.

Its a competition, everyone knows the rules.

If anything this should tell you how ill-prepared she is for the job.

You 'truth seekers' are meant to be anti-spin but you spin harder than anyone else when it threatens your interest.

Even the burnout 'what's an Allepo?' GJ got in all fifty states.

I want someone organized to be president.

[Nanners]

jill stein is far from perfect, but she is a hell of a lot better than the two major candidates. i voted for her in 2012 and im going to vote for her again this year.

[Nanners]

I'm all for getting rid of fracking too... But if we are being realistic, Jill has no shot of hell of winning.

I had not heard yet that Hillary is pro fracking, I hope thats just BS propaganda, but it's probably true :(

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/13/bernie-s/does-hillary-clinton-support-fracking/

[quote]Clinton clearly supported the practice as secretary of state. Her special envoy for international energy affairs launched the Global Shale Gas Initiative encouraging other countries to explore shale as an energy source.

An in-depth investigation by progressive magazine Mother Jones said that Clinton

[9erempiree]

Judging from this thread people are upset that there is a 2 party system.

May I suggest you guys vote for Trump? He is essentially the 3rd party that you are asking for. He is neither a Democrat or Republican. He's just running on a Republican platform and could have easily ran on the Democratic platform.

The Dems and Republicans disapproves of him. What does that tell you? He is our guy.

[Kblaze8855]

That's what we say every four years about the third party candidates.

Because its true. Not liking it doesnt make it false. Jill will not win. its a fact. 100% of her voters either know that...or they are idiots. And when she says she believes she can win...she is lying.

A third party who cant admit they arent gonna win is just....openly dishonest at this point.

Its flat out bullshitting for support to pull votes that could be going to people who matter. Jill has no better shot of being president in 2017 than I do.....but im not asking for money under the pretense of it being possible and lying to supporters about having a chance.

There is no more obvious lie in politics than these 3% in the polls nobodies talking about "Yes Jim I do think I have a chance!". Its a ****ing lie and they know it.

[9erempiree]

Vote Trump.

[Doomsday Dallas]

May I suggest you guys vote for Trump? He is essentially the 3rd party that you are asking for.

He has too many haters

And people hate him far worse than they do Hillary.

Not good for peace

http://www.greenpartywatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/steinpeace.jpg

[Nanners]

Because its true. Not liking it doesnt make it false. Jill will not win. its a fact. 100% of her voters either know that...or they are idiots. And when she says she believes she can win...she is lying.

A third party who cant admit they arent gonna win is just....openly dishonest at this point.

Its flat out bullshitting for support to pull votes that could be going to people who matter. Jill has no better shot of being president in 2017 than I do.....but im not asking for money under the pretense of it being possible and lying to supporters about having a chance.

There is no more obvious lie in politics than these 3% in the polls nobodies talking about "Yes Jim I do think I have a chance!". Its a ****ing lie and they know it.

obviously stein has no chance, green party voters dont actually think she will actually win. theres more to an election than just winning - if stein gets 5% of the vote, the greens will get federal funding next election cycle, which would be a huge boost for an underfunded party like the greens. also a vote for stein sends a message to the fake liberal democrats that you are a voter who will only support a true progressive candidate, rather than settling for a warmongering neoliberal corporate puppet.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Bill Burr - Governor Gary Johnson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojOa89WL1d4)


:roll:

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/9f/ef/77/9fef774362b0f3362330fd03eede7511.jpg


and you should too...

[Hawker]

So many studies out there showing no danger from fracking. Dooms and prime, can you even explain fracking?

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-06/documents/hf_es_erd_jun2015.pdf

[Hawker]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/13/bernie-s/does-hillary-clinton-support-fracking/

Those countries may actually want to lessen their dependence on natural gas from Russia despite so called national security reasons.

The US has begun exporting LNG to Europe and these ships leave from the NE.

https://ktwop.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/ineos-shale-ship.png

[Hawker]

obviously stein has no chance, green party voters dont actually think she will actually win. theres more to an election than just winning - if stein gets 5% of the vote, the greens will get federal funding next election cycle, which would be a huge boost for an underfunded party like the greens. also a vote for stein sends a message to the fake liberal democrats that you are a voter who will only support a true progressive candidate, rather than settling for a warmongering neoliberal corporate puppet.

That's what I'm hoping for the libertarian and green party.

Look at my ballot in Texas there's a green party or libertarian party candidate for each position all the way to the railroad commission. If they can get some grassroots support and 5% nationally, it'll be big for their future

[Doomsday Dallas]

Dooms and prime, can you even explain fracking?


I showed this to -PT- because I know he has a few oil investments.

Fracking has lowered the price of oil significantly has it not?
While many have benefited from this, others have been hit hard.
I believe adding regulations to this, could bring finical
stability to all that have been invested. Especially countries
like Venezuela that have been in complete financial chaos
due to low oil prices.

I don't understand how the process works, and nor am I worried
about the environmental impacts as of now, (although it is weird
to be living in Dallas and to know what an earthquake feels like)...

but some people just need the price of oil to go up ^

Personally I feel like it's too early to have studies suggest
that there are zero environmental impacts... Just like it's too
early to suggest that Wifi has minimal health risks to
our children and society in general. We haven't been
exposed to it long enough to know for sure.

[~primetime~]

So many studies out there showing no danger from fracking. Dooms and prime, can you even explain fracking?

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-06/documents/hf_es_erd_jun2015.pdf
I'm not horribly worried about the environment stuff surrounding it, I just need the price of oil to go up.

What I perceive it to be is busting up shale rock with high powered water to get oil.

[Hawker]

I showed this to -PT- because I know he has a few oil investments.

Fracking has lowered the price of oil significantly has it not?
While many have benefited from this, others have been hit hard.
I believe adding regulations to this, could bring finical
stability to all that have been invested. Especially countries
like Venezuela that have been in complete financial chaos
due to low oil prices.

I don't understand how the process works, and nor am I worried
about the environmental impacts as of now, (although it is weird
to be living in Dallas and to know what an earthquake feels like)...

but some people just need the price of oil to go up ^

Personally I feel like it's too early to have studies suggest
that there are zero environmental impacts... Just like it's too
early to suggest that Wifi has minimal health risks to
our children and society in general. We haven't been
exposed to it long enough to know for sure.

Ok well Jill Stein isn't anti-fracking because people are losing investments.

If you're anti-fracking because you're losing on investments, that's on you for not doing proper research in the O&G industry and not balancing out those risky investments with more conservative and safer investments. The resources industry is an obvious boom/bust cycle. With that said, this has been the most obvious bust probably ever. And there was a massive oversupply that caused it to go down.

http://i63.tinypic.com/23hxe34.jpg

The US doesn't need regulation on this since the US is a diversified economy not reliant on the price of oil like Venezuela and Russia. What's more unfortunate are the US citizens and worlwide employees getting laid off and not being educated that the industry can be boom/bust and be prone to layoffs. These people are in a lot of debt due to buying bullshit like lifted trucks, houses, townhomes, jet skis etc. instead of saving up. I had A LOT of money saved up as well as being fortunate to not have school debt so I'm not even worried right now that I'm laid off. I'll found a job within a years time in something else. It also helps that I'm pretty practical with my money and don't spend it excessively.

The fracking has brought a lot of people jobs over the years but unfortunately a lot of companies weren't managed tight enough so some have been lost. Now lots of companies have righted the ship and can be profitable at lower prices and slowly bouncing back. Hopefully the companies and the individuals have learned their lesson.

[Orlando Magic]

Because its true. Not liking it doesnt make it false. Jill will not win. its a fact. 100% of her voters either know that...or they are idiots. And when she says she believes she can win...she is lying.

A third party who cant admit they arent gonna win is just....openly dishonest at this point.

Its flat out bullshitting for support to pull votes that could be going to people who matter. Jill has no better shot of being president in 2017 than I do.....but im not asking for money under the pretense of it being possible and lying to supporters about having a chance.

There is no more obvious lie in politics than these 3% in the polls nobodies talking about "Yes Jim I do think I have a chance!". Its a ****ing lie and they know it.


The Problems with First Past the Post Voting Explained (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo)

[Hawker]

Primetime and Dooms may be in luck: OPEC agree on first oil output cut in eight years. (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-28/opec-said-to-agree-on-first-oil-output-cut-in-eight-years)

[~primetime~]

Primetime and Dooms may be in luck: OPEC agree on first oil output cut in eight years. (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-28/opec-said-to-agree-on-first-oil-output-cut-in-eight-years)
That is fcking awesome

I'm sure this is huge news to you Hawk right???

Fracking should come back huge though

Oil already up 5% today

Probably up another 5% tomorrow

[Hawker]

That is fcking awesome

I'm sure this is huge news to you Hawk right???

Fracking should come back huge though

Oil already up 5% today

Probably up another 5% tomorrow

Yeah this is big...I mean the oil in those countries is conventional and much easier to get so it costs less. They don't need high oil prices but Saudi was still making out like bandits at $100 oil. They still need a moderate price to pay for their social programs.

I'm not sure if fracking will come back huge. Lots of companies have declared bankruptcy or merged and they will hopefully be more lean this go around.

[bladefd]

The Queen of Thorns is an awesome candidate for all you Berners out there. She's just like Bernie, except not a sell-out.


Yes.
If you don't like either candidates then vote for 3rd.
Getting out and vote is very important.

Trump fanboys like the 2 above know the only shot their boy has is if democrats and independents throw their votes towards a 3rd party. The GOP has already fallen into place behind the Donald. 65 mill GOP votes for the Donald are guaranteed. They need to pray 7-8 million dem/indep votes are thrown in the garbage at a 3rd party.

[bladefd]

So many studies out there showing no danger from fracking. Dooms and prime, can you even explain fracking?

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-06/documents/hf_es_erd_jun2015.pdf

What about dangerous chemicals, such as benzene, being pumped into the ground?? Why are those mixtures kept trade secret?

[Hawker]

What about dangerous chemicals, such as benzene, being pumped into the ground?? Why are those mixtures kept trade secret?


Here you go: Fracfocus: Chemical Disclosure Registry (https://fracfocus.org/)

You can find the chemicals pumped on that website.

Those chemicals are heavily diluted over millions of gallons of water and they flow back afterwards. They are thousands of feet away from any water table underwater and seismic studies have been performed using technology that tracks primary and shear waves from a frack to show they are nowhere even in the vicinity of water tables.

[Doomsday Dallas]

It's incredible to me that after all this time I'm actually advocating ignorance. I'm tempted to do my best to completely ignore just about everything Trump & Hillary have to say. I really want to ignore that entire political mess all together.

Come election day... I'll do my part and vote for Jill Stein, try to bump her party up to 5%... and if we're fortunate enough to have another election in 2020, I'll probably vote for the Green Party again.

This is the most f*cked up Double-Edged-Sword that has ever existed. There is absolutely zero optimism with both candidates. No optimism whatsoever. none.

How can anybody stay positive at this point?

We are at the brink of a crisis unlike any of which America has ever seen.

We should also know there is hardly any chance in the world Trump makes it to the White House

Hope you Hillary supporters are right about her...



http://media1.fdncms.com/metrotimes/imager/u/original/2462559/stein_baraka.png


Think about how much love and respect we would get if we let these two people run the show... America would go from most hated to most loved overnight.

[FillJackson]

So unfair.

two-party-system is why democracy is broken.

We do not have a "two party system."

The way our democracy is set up leads to two dominant parties.
Our voting is winner take all, also known as first past the post. That is if you get 1 vote more than your rival in most states, you get all the electoral votes.

Because of these third parties don't tend to last.

If you have three parties one which is mainly A and two which are mainly B with some disagreements about how to do B, you can have this situation

B can be supported by 60% of the population, but the party that supports A wins all the elections because the voting ends up like this

A 40%
B1 32%
B2 28%

So what happens is the B parties tend to merge to defeat the A party.

There's nothing about supporting Jill Stein that is going to change that.

Proportion Parliamentary systems tend to have their own problems.

This is how multiparty systems tend to look
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/KJ5Riv6AZN1RWP5h9uUgzb1D4Qw=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3514050/010-knesset_possible-netanyahu_1024.0.png

[FillJackson]

Think about how much love and respect we would get if we let these two people run the show... America would go from most hated to most loved overnight.

Um.

No.

America is not most hated.

[gigantes]

Can I interest anybody on changing their vote to Jill Stein (Green Party)? Anybody?
Oh shut your filthy mouth, Doomsday. The green party IS my party.

But this isn't the year to vote for our guys. We learned a pretty f-cking harsh lesson upon that back in 2000. Never again, motherf-ckers... never again.

[Hawker]

Oh shut your filthy mouth, Doomsday. The green party IS my party.

But this isn't the year to vote for our guys. We learned a pretty f-cking harsh lesson upon that back in 2000. Never again, motherf-ckers... never again.

Al Gore voted for the Iraq invasion in 1991 and stated this is his policy to remove Saddam Hussein from power. If Al Gore appealed to more people, he would've got more Nader votes and won Florida. That's on him.

Don't listen to gigantes' vote shaming. Stick to Jill Stein.

[Hawker]

We do not have a "two party system."

The way our democracy is set up leads to two dominant parties.
Our voting is winner take all, also known as first past the post. That is if you get 1 vote more than your rival in most states, you get all the electoral votes.

Because of these third parties don't tend to last.

If you have three parties one which is mainly A and two which are mainly B with some disagreements about how to do B, you can have this situation

B can be supported by 60% of the population, but the party that supports A wins all the elections because the voting ends up like this

A 40%
B1 32%
B2 28%

So what happens is the B parties tend to merge to defeat the A party.

There's nothing about supporting Jill Stein that is going to change that.

Proportion Parliamentary systems tend to have their own problems.

This is how multiparty systems tend to look
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/KJ5Riv6AZN1RWP5h9uUgzb1D4Qw=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3514050/010-knesset_possible-netanyahu_1024.0.png

So essentially, a two party system.

[falc39]

Oh shut your filthy mouth, Doomsday. The green party IS my party.

But this isn't the year to vote for our guys. We learned a pretty f-cking harsh lesson upon that back in 2000. Never again, motherf-ckers... never again.

It's never the year for it then. I hear the same thing every election cycle. "The stakes are too high" blah blah blah. Every single time. With that mentality, things will never change and it's the reason politics have degraded so much over history. Some wisdom to share: People who play it safe in life tend to get their ass handed back to them. Not just in politics, but sports, business, etc.

Did you really learn the lesson? Apparently Bush was so bad to you that you now have to support a candidate who is.... just like Bush! Even endorsed by him and his family. That will show them Bush people!!! Lol

[gigantes]

Al Gore voted for the Iraq invasion in 1991 and stated this is his policy to remove Saddam Hussein from power. If Al Gore appealed to more people, he would've got more Nader votes and won Florida. That's on him.
well as a non-politics dude, it would take me multiple essays and mucho horas to elaborate all the ways in which you have no f-cking clue what the hell you're talking about.

OTOH, you wouldn't read it anyway. so... guess we're even? :lol


It's never the year for it then. I hear the same thing every election cycle. "The stakes are too high" blah blah blah. Every single time. With that mentality, things will never change and it's the reason politics have degraded so much over history. Some wisdom to share: People who play it safe in life tend to get their ass handed back to them. Not just in politics, but sports, business, etc.

Did you really learn the lesson? Apparently Bush was so bad to you that you now have to support a candidate who is.... just like Bush! Even endorsed by him and his family. That will show them Bush people!!! Lol
to your credit you start off speaking some wisdom.

in any case, this will make the second time ever i'll (reluctantly) be voting democrat.

[Hawker]

well as a non-politics dude, it would take me multiple essays and mucho horas to elaborate all the ways in which you have no f-cking clue what the hell you're talking about.

OTOH, you wouldn't read it anyway. so... guess we're even? :lol


to your credit you start off speaking some wisdom.

in any case, this will make the second time ever i'll (reluctantly) be voting democrat.

Gore voted for the Gulf War - Fact.

Gore's letter to the Iran National Congress:


I assure you that we will not turn our backs on the Kurds or the other Iraqi communities subjected to the repression of Saddam Hussein's regime.

Our policy toward Iraq is clear. We insist on full Iraqi compliance with all of tlie United Nations Security Council resolutions. This includes U.N. resolution 688, which demands an end to Iraq's repression of its people and highlights the plight of the Kurds. Since April 1991, coalition forces have protected the inhabitants of northern Iraq from Baghdad's repression, and the Administration is committed to continuing that effort. […]

Secretary Christopher, National Security Advisor Lake, and I a solid commitment to INC representatives in our meetings, and we pledged our support for a democratic alternative to the Saddam Hussein regime. I can assure you that the U.S. intends to live up to these commitments and to give whatever additional support we can reasonably provide to encourage you in your struggle for a democratic Iraq.

Gore in May 2000:


In 1991, I broke with many in my own party and voted to use force to stop Saddam Hussein's aggression in the Middle East. I believe in bipartisanship, most of all when our national interests are at stake in foreign policy. Throughout my service in the House and Senate, as many of you know, I was frequently among the small group that tried to build bipartisan bridges to bring Democrats and Republicans together in support of policies that would promote what is in our nation's best interest.

Despite our swift victory and our efforts since, there is no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein still seeks to amass weapons of mass destruction. You know as well as I do that as long as Saddam Hussein stays in power there can be no comprehensive peace for the people of Israel or the people of the Middle East. We have made it clear that it is our policy to see Saddam Hussein gone.

Gore then advised in 2002 to go to the security council first on Iraq but if it failed then "other choices" remained open.

Sorry, there's nothing indicating that the War in Iraq would not have happened had Gore been president. Stop trying to come off as an intellectual, it's embarrassing.

[gigantes]

@hawker,
maybe you need to hear some extended lectures upon context, etc.

still, please don't confuse me for a free lecturer. rather, i'm just one of the local idiots you wanna be startin' something with, for whatever reasons you might have. cheers.

[DonDadda59]

Evan McMullin is getting more votes in recent polling, just like Harambe was not too long ago. :lol

[Nanners]

Oh shut your filthy mouth, Doomsday. The green party IS my party.

But this isn't the year to vote for our guys. We learned a pretty f-cking harsh lesson upon that back in 2000. Never again, motherf-ckers... never again.

when exactly is it the right time for a third party vote?

if 2nd place ted cruz had won the 2016 primary instead of trump, would it be the right time?

was it the right time in 2012 when romney wanted to undo obamacare?

was it the right time when a john mccain medical emergency could have made sarah palin president?

was it the right time in 2004 when bush was dragging the country into the shitter?

[Nanners]

So many studies out there showing no danger from fracking. Dooms and prime, can you even explain fracking?

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-06/documents/hf_es_erd_jun2015.pdf

fracking as in the descrete act of fracturing rock with pressurized water is not dangerous. whats dangerous are the things associated with large scale fracking, stuff like wastewater disposal and leaky well casings.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4121783/


The new analysis by Ingraffea et al. (5) covers more time (2000–2012) and digs more deeply into the data for >41,000 oil and gas wells. There are some surprises. The percentage of wells showing a “loss of structural integrity” (Ingraffea et al.’s term) is 1.9% across the period, with the lowest rate for conventional wells drilled from 2000 to 2008. However, unconventional shale gas wells were six times more likely to show problems than conventional wells drilled during the same period: 6.2% compared with 1.0%, respectively. The most common violations assessed were for “defective, insufficient or improperly installed” cement or casing and for pressure build-up, apparent as surface bubbling or sustained casing pressure (5). In 24 cases the Pennsylvania DEP concluded that there had been a “failure to prevent migrations to fresh groundwater” (5). Since 2005, the state has confirmed more than 100 cases of water-well contamination from oil and gas activities

if we take a conservative guess that ~1% of wells have flawed casings, with 1.1 million active wells in the US that means ~11k leaky wells.

[falc39]

when exactly is it the right time for a third party vote?

if 2nd place ted cruz had won the 2016 primary instead of trump, would it be the right time?

was it the right time in 2012 when romney wanted to undo obamacare?

was it the right time when a john mccain medical emergency could have made sarah palin president?

was it the right time in 2004 when bush was dragging the country into the shitter?

Exactly. They are never-ending. One year it will be because there is a supreme court justice opening. Next time it will be because the economy is in a recession. The excuses will always be there and the stakes will always be too high to not make the "safe" choice. It's plain and simple fear-mongering. It's the mental paralysis that keeps the false dichotomy going and ironically keeps producing the shittiest of candidates.

[Nick Young]

Obama and the mainstream media are telling people to not vote if they're not going to vote for Hillary.

I believe that this is unprecedented in American history.

The media AND the president are asking people to NOT vote.

Has this ever happened before?

[Cleverness]

I like how her plan is to cut taxes for the poor and middle class, just like Donald Trump.

People like Hillary Clinton pretend to be for the poor and middle class, but want to continue raping them on income taxes, even though their income taxes are a huge burden and contribute very little to the overall Federal tax revenue.

[~primetime~]

I like how her plan is to cut taxes for the poor and middle class, just like Donald Trump.

People like Hillary Clinton pretend to be for the poor and middle class, but want to continue raping them on income taxes, even though their income taxes are a huge burden and contribute very little to the overall Federal tax revenue.
They contribute all of it. Billionaires (like Trump) are paying nothing.

Hillary is not raising taxes for the poor and middle class, only the extreme wealthy.

[Duderonomy]

They contribute all of it. Billionaires (like Trump) are paying nothing.

Hillary is not raising taxes for the poor and middle class, only the extreme wealthy.
I get you and doomsday confused. But the running theory is the luminati is real and Trump is America's last hope against Globalization.

[JtotheIzzo]

not a serious party.

if your job is to win, but you aren't able to get on the ballot in all 50 states than you either don't really want it or you suck at your job, both of which should be a red flag.

protest party for those who hate what is happening to the environment, nothing more, not fit to govern.

these are indisputable conclusions based on their track record.

[gigantes]

not a serious party.

if your job is to win, but you aren't able to get on the ballot in all 50 states than you either don't really want it or you suck at your job, both of which should be a red flag.

protest party for those who hate what is happening to the environment, nothing more, not fit to govern.

these are indisputable conclusions based on their track record.
well, when you're in a no-win situation, following your conscience is at least something you can respect yourself for.

[Cleverness]

They contribute all of it. Billionaires (like Trump) are paying nothing.

Hillary is not raising taxes for the poor and middle class, only the extreme wealthy.

Contribute all of it? No way. That kind of thinking keeps the poor and middle class screwed because you then assume we need them to keep paying high income taxes. Hillary Clinton wants to keep screwing the bulk of our country by keeping up the policy of stealing too much of their hard-earned money. The poor and middle class deserve a huge tax break (Donald Trump and Jill Stein agree).

The three main sources of federal tax revenue are individual income taxes, payroll taxes, and corporate income taxes; other sources of tax revenue include excise taxes, the estate tax, and other taxes and fees. 47 percent comes from individual income taxes. (Source: cbpp.org)

The total income tax paid by individual income groups making <$100,000 is 9.7% of the total federal tax revenue. Source (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/13/high-income-americans-pay-most-income-taxes-but-enough-to-be-fair/)

If you cut their taxes by 50%, they will have about $10-15k extra dollars to spend each year while the Federal Gov't only takes a 5% cut in their annual revenue.

[Lakers Legend#32]

I totally do Jill Stein.

[Doomsday Dallas]

It is time for Trump Supporters to jump on the Jill Stein train.

It's not too late. You can still do the right thing.


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[Terahite]

If she can steal votes from Hillary she has my moral support.