The Donald LOST $916 Million in 1995- Possibly Hasn't Paid Taxes in 2 Decades

[DonDadda59]

RIP.

[INDENT]Trump Tax Records Obtained by The Times Reveal He Could Have Avoided Paying Taxes for Nearly Two Decades

Donald J. Trump declared a $916 million loss on his 1995 income tax returns, a tax deduction so substantial it could have allowed him to legally avoid paying any federal income taxes for up to 18 years, records obtained by The New York Times show.

The 1995 tax records, never before disclosed, reveal the extraordinary tax benefits that Mr. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, derived from the financial wreckage he left behind in the early 1990s through mismanagement of three Atlantic City casinos, his ill-fated foray into the airline business and his ill-timed purchase of the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan.

Tax experts hired by The Times to analyze Mr. Trump

[Rockets(T-mac)]

That makes him smart.

[HenryGarfunkle]

That makes him smart.
Which makes him worthy of president.

OP is reaching for stuff that only makes Trump look good. The average citizen doesn't give a **** about any of this. Dodda is a nut-job with too much time on his greasy hands.

[DonDadda59]

Which makes him worthy of president.

OP is reaching for stuff that only makes Trump look good. The average citizen doesn't give a **** about any of this. Dodda is a nut-job with too much time on his greasy hands.

It's not too late to come to the light, brother. This huckster tried to claim your soul as he has countless others through his incompetence and ill-will.

Come back to the light.

[highwhey]

"we have third world infrastructure"

this guy has a third world financial acumen
http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/5I5s8.png

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Which makes him worthy of president.
Definitely in America.

[DonDadda59]

"we have third world infrastructure"

this guy has a third world financial acumen
http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/5I5s8.png

Drumpf supporters: "Buh buh buh he'll run America like he ran his businesses."

Non Suckers: http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/5I5s8.png

[nathanjizzle]

dude is morally bankrupt.

[warriorfan]

First I predicted Hillary's heath and timetable for recovery perfectly

Then I predicted that Donald hasn't paid taxes in 20 years

Move over Nate Silver

[nathanjizzle]

First I predicted Hillary's heath and timetable for recovery perfectly

Then I predicted that Donald hasn't paid taxes in 20 years

Move over Nate Silver

whos winning the presidency?

[warriorfan]

whos winning the presidency?
H R C and by a good amount

[highwhey]

Drumpf supporters: "Buh buh buh he'll run America like he ran his businesses."

Non Suckers: http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/5I5s8.png
trump's plan on solving the national debt:

"we're not going to pay 1 cent more. that's smart business"

*starts WWIII*

[DonDadda59]

There are illegal immigrants in this country who pay more taxes than Donald 'Middle Class Burden' Drumpf. Think about that for a minute.

Donald 'Billion Dollar Welfare Queen' Drumpf.

SMH.

[nathanjizzle]

There are illegal immigrants in this country who pay more taxes than Donald 'Middle Class Burden' Drumpf. Think about that for a minute.

Donald 'Billion Dollar Welfare Queen' Drumpf.

SMH.

morals = amount of paid taxes.

donald pays less than your average american.

[DonDadda59]

morals = amount of paid taxes.

donald pays less than your average american.

From the NY Times article comment section.


James Greenwood None of this is a real surprise... George Will and others have proposed since the beginning that he hasn't been paying any income tax... Mark Cuban explained in detail about how there are special tax laws for developers to allow them to claim business losses on their personal taxes. What is also highly likely (the New York Times reported this several months ago) is that Trump actually has a NEGATIVE net worth due to all of his properties having been run into the ground through his gross mismangement of them. He is leveraged to the hilt and has not been able to borrow money from any reputable US or UK bank for decades, which is why he gets all of his operating capital from Russian mobsters and Chinese banks.


Jao Veludo Alfonso d'Albuquerque ...which means that, functionally, he's a bum.

http://i.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2016/UVUPX3.gif

[JtotheIzzo]

The shookening: When the tax man holds Trump upside-down in the hopes of shaking out the loose change.

[Funktion]

Guess it also makes welfare recipients smart. What a piece if trash. Loopholes :facepalm


https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-trump-losses-may-mean-didnt-pay-taxes-034038880--election.html
Report: Trump losses may mean he didn't pay taxes for years

[Funktion]

Drumpf supporters: "Buh buh buh he'll run America like he ran his businesses."

Non Suckers: http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/5I5s8.png

And these fools want to support a dude who's in balls deep with communists(like his daddy in-law) and socialists. :facepalm

[Cleverness]

morals = amount of paid taxes.

:wtf:

Sooooo much wrong with that statement :facepalm

[Cleverness]

And these fools want to support a dude who's in balls deep with communists(like his daddy in-law) and socialists. :facepalm

I don't particularly like Donald Trump, but he's a lot better than Hillary, especially when it comes to helping the middle class.

A married couple making $50k each would pay:
$8400/yr with Trump's tax plan
$13,500/yr with Hillary's tax plan

That means the couple gets +$20,400 over a 4-year Trump presidency vs a Hillary presidency. That's a lot of cash money and it will help the middle class.

[highwhey]

I don't particularly like Donald Trump, but he's a lot better than Hillary, especially when it comes to helping the middle class.

A married couple making $50k each would pay:
$8400/yr with Trump's tax plan
$13,500/yr with Hillary's tax plan

That means the couple gets +$20,400 over a 4-year Trump presidency vs a Hillary presidency. That's a lot of cash money and it will help the middle class.
you really believe this man will hold true to his word? he flip flops on his stance. :lol

[DonDadda59]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ctu9KtjWYAA7jhE.jpg

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-12/7/18/enhanced/webdr09/enhanced-11104-1449529561-9.jpg

[~primetime~]

I don't particularly like Donald Trump, but he's a lot better than Hillary, especially when it comes to helping the middle class.

A married couple making $50k each would pay:
$8400/yr with Trump's tax plan
$13,500/yr with Hillary's tax plan

That means the couple gets +$20,400 over a 4-year Trump presidency vs a Hillary presidency. That's a lot of cash money and it will help the middle class.
That mean jack shit. Rich get richer under Trump. That means of the existing money supply, the middle class lose some and it moves over to the rich.

Hillary's plan dumps $350 BILLION in elite rich tax money directly into the middle class.

[DonDadda59]

#LastTimeTrumpPaidTaxes is the #1 trending topic on twitter right now. :lol


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#LastTimeTrumpPaidTaxes New episodes of Mighty Morphin' #PowerRangers were still on TV.

Thinker ‏@SmellTheTea 3h3 hours ago
Thinker Retweeted The New York Times
How does a business genius lose $916M in a year the stock market returned 37%?
#LastTimeTrumpPaidTaxes

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Janet Johnson Retweeted G O L D I E.
#LastTimeTrumpPaidTaxes he was a Democrat.

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#LastTimeTrumpPaidTaxes LeBron James still had a hairline.

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#LastTimeTrumpPaidTaxes Adam West was the only Batman

[Cleverness]

IRS gonna IRS


That mean jack shit. Rich get richer under Trump. That means of the existing money supply, the middle class lose some and it moves over to the rich.

Hillary's plan dumps $350 BILLION in elite rich tax money directly into the middle class.

lol, I guess her advertisements, paid for by elite donors/bribers, say that they'll "dump directly into the middle class," but that's BS.

Taxes actually go to 3 places: expansion of government control, where the lobbyists/bribers want (elite rich/corporations), and incentives for being poor.


Ron Paul had the best income tax plan: eliminate it and eliminate the IRS.

[FillJackson]

it's interesting that they released this particular year.

In addition to the no taxes, it's a reminder that a guy running on his business acumen lost almost a billion dollars personally in a single year.


Also Trump has talked about how he survived his bankruptcies by negotiating down his losses. If he claimed this loss, but only paid his debtors $600 million. I wonder how tax experts would look at that.

Also he was an hour late to his event tonight and gave a rambling adlib speech, claimed Hillary is not loyal to Bill and mocked Hillary's fainting. Remember he mocked the disabled reporter because he wrote a story Donald didn't like. Guy doesn't learn. He's still in meltdown mode. His VP is in for some fun on Tues.

[~primetime~]

IRS gonna IRS



lol, I guess her advertisements, paid for by elite donors/bribers, say that they'll "dump directly into the middle class," but that's BS.

Taxes actually go to 3 places: expansion of government control, where the lobbyists/bribers want (elite rich/corporations), and incentives for being poor.


Ron Paul had the best income tax plan: eliminate it and eliminate the IRS.
All $350B will be used to pay off college debt of the middle class

[Cleverness]

All $350B will be used to pay off college debt of the middle class

Nope. That is not something that she will implement.

The income-based repayment for 20-25 years->forgiven plan is already in place and she'll continue it. Funny thing is that people who owe 100k will probably owe 200k-300k by that point and have a giant tax burden when it's forgiven. Who knows what will happen by then, but Hillary will not pay off middle class college debt, that's for sure.

What she plans on doing is continuing the BS system of people up to 23 years old requiring low parent income to qualify for government college aid. I don't think 23 year olds should be considered dependent on their parents income at all.

[Jameerthefear]

This is a glorious October surprise.

[pastis]

if its true, Trump lost def. my support. I agree with him on many points (mostly regarding immigration, stopping war in syria, stop supporting islamistic rebells, no embargo for iran, political approach to Russia etc), BUT im still someone with a strong social consciousness. Rich people should pay their 50+% taxes. And you know what? they should be proud of it!
Its just so shameful if someone that rich have the opportunity to avoid paying taxes, while all categories of the middle class (lower, upper middle class) dont have those possibilites and have to pay their taxes (which is good, because of course everyone should pay). Damn Trump, pay your taxes. the streets you are driving on with your ferrari or porsche are fvkcing financed by taxes. the police forces, fire forces, medical forces etc.

what a.....:no: :no: :no:

[Hotlantadude81]

Democrats still think Trump's supporters give a shit about his taxes? Jesus ****ing christ!

Why would most people that want the lowest taxes care about Trump not paying any taxes?

[NumberSix]

"Possibly"? Meaning, "maybe he did, maybe he didn't"?

[poido123]

"Possibly"? Meaning, "maybe he did, maybe he didn't"?


Democrats like to pretend this is the biggest issue in the election, while conveniently ignoring Hillary's wrongdoings.


Where on god's earth did these type of American's spawn from? These people are nuts.

[Dresta]

Why would you pay taxes to a corrupt and criminal US Federal Government, if you could possibly avoid it? I consider it a moral duty not to pay taxes that keep the wheels of a hopelessly corrupted system churning, one where corruption is bought and sold by the gross, and where your $ is used to bomb helpless people for vested interests, provided one does not break the law; considering the sheer number of disgusting and despicable things these taxes have been used to fund, that is sensible, and also moral; you are obligated as a citizen, to obey the law, and nothing else; you are not obligated hand your money over to criminals and a political establishment as awash with as much corruption and abuse of the public purse as there was during the late Roman Republic.

As long as he has stayed within the bounds of the law he is fine and has done nothing wrong. People who think it is some kind of moral duty to prop of the minions of Mammon are deranged.

All this shows is what anyone with sense already knew: complicated and convoluted tax codes favour the wealthy, intelligent, and connected (I know lots of middle class people getting huge exemptions in the UK--it is normal, and it is also stupid not to do it, considering western governments are siphoning away your wealth, without consent, through central bank manipulation--something that should be criminal). You will get as much if not more revenue with something close to a flat rate; the rates of tax throughout the 20th century have been downright punitive, and nothing short of robbery, and in the case of Hilary Clinton, the robbing of the dead. Few things are more anti-human and more driven by petty and vindictive envy than this.

edit: oh, and the idea that tax avoidance is even in the same stratosphere as selling American power and interests to foreign buyers (basically treason), like many American politicians do (including Hilary Clinton), is an absurdity.

[poido123]

if its true, Trump lost def. my support. I agree with him on many points (mostly regarding immigration, stopping war in syria, stop supporting islamistic rebells, no embargo for iran, political approach to Russia etc), BUT im still someone with a strong social consciousness. Rich people should pay their 50+% taxes. And you know what? they should be proud of it!
Its just so shameful if someone that rich have the opportunity to avoid paying taxes, while all categories of the middle class (lower, upper middle class) dont have those possibilites and have to pay their taxes (which is good, because of course everyone should pay). Damn Trump, pay your taxes. the streets you are driving on with your ferrari or porsche are fvkcing financed by taxes. the police forces, fire forces, medical forces etc.

what a.....:no: :no: :no:


:roll:


Thankfully you are German and can't vote :oldlol:


But I find it hilarious that this is your tipping point, but not Hillary's email scandals? Benghazi victims? Foster? Rigged debate and election process?
Hiring hitmen on people who have dirt on her?

Did none of those things register in that head of yours?

[warriorfan]

Welcome back Terror123

[Draz]

Imploding from within. God dam

[TheMan]

Chris Christie jumping through hoops trying to spin the Donald not paying taxes for nearly two decades :oldlol:

[TheMan]

Democrats still think Trum
p's supporters give a shit about his taxes? Jesus ****ing christ!

Why would most people that want the lowest taxes care about Trump not paying any taxes?
Maybe not Trump supporters, we all know they would still follow him even if he shot a person in front of the world to see, he even mentioned it a while back...

The Clinton campaign is focusing on the roughly ten percent of people who are undecided or currently thinking of a third party candidate. She leads 47%-44% on RCP aggregate, that's about 10 points out there for the grabbing.

Grab most of them and this is an easy cruise to victory :rockon:

[Jasper]

OP and everyone else -

If you take your capital gains and reinvest it , you don't need to pay tax's on it.

Learn our tax gif of our great country , and if your a billionaire like Trump , he knows fully how the government runs and ruins us.

Last week on a PBS channel they explained it.

[TheMan]

(This is just a small percentage of a much longer list )
Of the two candidates running for president...
Only Hillary Clinton was caught lying to congress.
Only Hillary Clinton was fired from a job for being unethical.
Only Hillary Clinton deleted 30 some thousand emails after she was ordered to hand them over to the Fed.
Only Hillary Clinton had that same computer wiped clean by professionals.
Only Hillary Clinton got the rapist of a teenage girl off on rape charges then laughed about it.
Only Hillary Clinton lied to the American people about Benghazi.
Only Hillary Clinton lied to the American people about her emails.
Only Hillary Clinton lied about being under sniper fire.
Only Hillary Clinton lied about lying to the American people.
Only Hillary Clinton was involved in " Cash Cow "
Only Hillary Clinton has a long list of scandals.
Only Hillary Clinton nationally belittled her husband's sexual harassment ( and rape ) accusers.
Only Hillary Clinton is a career politician.
Only Hillary Clinton will not release her speeches to Goldman Sachs and other banks.
Only Hillary Clinton is tied to Monsanto.
Only Hillary Clinton was labeled "Extremely careless" about national security by the FBI !
Only Hillary Clinton said she will raise taxes on the middle class.
Only Hillary Clinton benefited from the DNC rigging an election !
Only Hillary Clinton had to return stolen items from the White House.
Only Hillary Clinton said the Benghazi victims parents where lying.
Only Hillary Clinton wants you to vote for her based on her gender.
Only Hillary Clinton has no real accomplishments after a lifetime in politics.
Only Hillary Clinton has never created any jobs.
Only Hillary Clinton has been investigated by the FBI and found to have put national security at risk.
Only Hillary Clinton lied to the FBI, telling them that Colin Powell told her to use her private server for sending State Department emails.
Only Hillary Clinton has had two or more movies and several documentaries made about her questionable ethics.
Only Hillary Clinton called then President Bill Clinton "**** sucker" in front of the ( SS ) Secret service.
Only Hillary Clinton was called "Broomstick one" by the SS.
Only Hillary Clinton made congress and others spend millions and millions of tax dollars having hearings and investigating her to find that she lied, that would not have been spent if she would of simply told the truth in the first place ! Fact - all facts !
Only Hillary Clinton regularly cussed out and belittled her SS detail.
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[Draz]

OP and everyone else -

If you take your capital gains and reinvest it , you don't need to pay tax's on it.

Learn our tax gif of our great country , and if your a billionaire like Trump , he knows fully how the government runs and ruins us.

Last week on a PBS channel they explained it.
I've known about this. But, I think people are more concerned about his losses than him not paying taxes

[TheMan]

Woodward on Fox complaining about HC gloating the day after the debate saying that the American people want humility in a president...

Does he even know that Trump is the GOP nominee???

:lol

[TheMan]

This is a glorious October surprise.
:bowdown:

B b b but, the DNC wikileaks!

If that scumbag Assange had anything really damaging, he would've already released them.

:sleeping

[fiddy]

:bowdown:

B b b but, the DNC wikileaks!

If that scumbag Assange had anything really damaging, he would've released it by then.

:sleeping
Did you just call Assange scumbag? :facepalm

[DonDadda59]

You have to also remember that just 5 years earlier, a consortium of 70 banks had to bail the Donald out (https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1345&dat=19900626&id=vVlYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=C_oDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6704,3466432) after he had sunk over a billion dollars in personal debt during the late 80s.

Then he lost another billion in '95.

Then he went through more bankruptcies than any other entity in the country during a 20-30 year span.

Right now he is at least $650 million in debt(including to Goldman Sachs and the Bank of China) (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-donald-trump-companies-at-least-650-million-in-debt/)and owes Deutsche Bank alone $360 million (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/30/trumps-unthinkable-conflict-millions-in-debts-to-german-bank-now-facing-federal-fines/)

Business genius.

[TheMan]

You have to also remember that just 5 years earlier, a consortium of 70 banks had to bail the Donald out (https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1345&dat=19900626&id=vVlYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=C_oDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6704,3466432) after he had sunk over a billion dollars in debt during the late 80s.

Then he lost another billion in '95.

Then he went through more bankruptcies than any other entity in the country during a 20-30 year span.

Right now he is at least $650 million in debt(including to Goldman Sachs and the Bank of China) (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-donald-trump-companies-at-least-650-million-in-debt/)and owes Deutsche Bank alone $360 million (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/30/trumps-unthinkable-conflict-millions-in-debts-to-german-bank-now-facing-federal-fines/)

Business genius.
Hillary really needs to hammer him nonstop about his debts in the next debate, tear down the myth that he's a successful businessman.

Then step back and watch the meltdown :yaohappy:

[BoutPractice]

The saddest part of all this: having to watch Chris "Bring me my Big Mac" Christie publicly calling his master a "genius" for not paying taxes.

One of the most bizarre moments in a most bizarre week, although "check out sex tape" still takes the cake.

[nathanjizzle]

pathetic. he should commit suicide.

[ZenMaster]

Hillary really needs to hammer him nonstop about his debts in the next debate, tear down the myth that he's a successful businessman.

Then step back and watch the meltdown :yaohappy:

Forbes says he's the richest candidate to ever run for president, and that he's worth about 3.7 billion. If she goes with your suggested strategy, she wouldn't be tearing down any myths, but simply lying.

[DonDadda59]

http://orig15.deviantart.net/2903/f/2012/295/2/7/untitled_drawing_by_lecsus-d5ilbfv.png

Release the tax returns, Donald.

[Duderonomy]

Release the tax returns, Donald.
Still salty.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYQI0gURnHszncQ/giphy.gif

[TheMan]

Forbes says he's the richest candidate to ever run for president, and that he's worth about 3.7 billion. If she goes with your suggested strategy, she wouldn't be tearing down any myths, but simply lying.
There are folks who have been investigating this buffoon for decades who say he's up to his neck in debt and isn't worth anywhere near a billion.

But that's all speculation since he won't release them because any logical person can come to the conclusion that there is something very damaging to his quest for the presidency :confusedshrug:

[Trollsmasher]

You have to also remember that just 5 years earlier, a consortium of 70 banks had to bail the Donald out (https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1345&dat=19900626&id=vVlYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=C_oDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6704,3466432) after he had sunk over a billion dollars in personal debt during the late 80s.

Then he lost another billion in '95.

Then he went through more bankruptcies than any other entity in the country during a 20-30 year span.

Right now he is at least $650 million in debt(including to Goldman Sachs and the Bank of China) (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-donald-trump-companies-at-least-650-million-in-debt/)and owes Deutsche Bank alone $360 million (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/30/trumps-unthinkable-conflict-millions-in-debts-to-german-bank-now-facing-federal-fines/)

Business genius.
implying corporate debt is bad

:lol

[ZenMaster]

There are folks who have been investigating this buffoon for decades who say he's up to his neck in debt and isn't worth anywhere near a billion.

But that's all speculation since he won't release them because any logical person can come to the conclusion that there is something very damaging to his quest for the presidency :confusedshrug:

Sounds like conspiracy theories.. You don't believe that Forbes is credible on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-bUEJx9_04

[Real Men Wear Green]

Worth noting: With all the scandal and speculation the Trump camp still thinks this is better than whatever were to happen if he actually released the returns.

[DonDadda59]

http://66.media.tumblr.com/96064fb9c0b3371eec2349149dc15f11/tumblr_ncwis7r8jF1t2ig4wo1_500.jpg


https://theyearofhalloween.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/creepy-donnie-darko-gif-frank-bunny.gif

37 DAYS: 11 HOURS: 7 MINUTES: 46 SECONDS

*DRUMPF GETTING MURDERED IN REGISTRATIONS & VOTING RIGHT NOW*


Worth noting: With all the scandal and speculation the Trump camp still thinks this is better than whatever were to happen if he actually released the returns.

Very telling. He'd rather be known as the guy who lost $1 billion in one year during the most prosperous time in American History and who doesn't pay a lick of taxes than show what's in the subsequent returns.

Must be BAD.

[TheMan]

Sounds like conspiracy theories.. You don't believe that Forbes is credible on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-bUEJx9_04
Let me ask you this simple question, and stop with the IRS currently auditing his taxes therefore he can't release them lie, it has been totally debunked...

Why do YOU believe he won't release them?

Simple question.

In b4 deflection to HC deleted emails :rolleyes:

[Dresta]

OP and everyone else -

If you take your capital gains and reinvest it , you don't need to pay tax's on it.

Learn our tax gif of our great country , and if your a billionaire like Trump , he knows fully how the government runs and ruins us.

Last week on a PBS channel they explained it.
These fools evidently don't know anything about taxes. Paying taxes when you have no legal obligation to do so is downright retarded, and is only going to disadvantage you against your competitors who do not. But again, as always, these people want to fight facts, and ignore decades of evidence showing that these complex tax systems can always be exploited. The only way to reduce loopholes is to simplify the tax code, and get rid of the insane number of exemptions there are. But the credulous, led by their political demagogues (who they don't even think are demagogues, so low has their intelligence sunk), think they can "crack down" on loopholes with some kind of magic, unaware that lawyers and accountants will always outwit the government on this kind of thing, and always have.

They cannot accept reality. Simple, low taxation, or a convoluted system that cripples the middle classes, and especially those who don't have knowledge of ways to exploit it; you cannot have both.

edit: also, Trump will have been paying more tax than everyone on this site combined, just not in federal income tax.

[DonDadda59]

implying corporate debt is bad

:lol

The Donald was over $1 billion in PERSONAL debt by the late 80s.


“I remember once, my father and I were walking down 5th Avenue, and there was a homeless person sitting right outside of Trump Tower. And I think I was probably nine, ten something like this, it was right around the time as the divorce. And I remember my father pointing to him and saying ‘That guy has $8 billion more than me.’ Because he was in such extreme debt at that point. And me thinking ‘What are you talking about?’ He was sitting outside of Trump Tower, and I didn’t understand.

-Ivanka Trump
2003 HBO Documentary 'Born Rich'

And the Drumpf empire has filed for bankruptcies more than any other business entity in this country in the past 30 years.

But I guess being hundreds of millions of dollars in debt to Goldman Sachs, German/Russian/Chinese banks/mobsters is a good thing?

:confusedshrug:

[iamgine]

If you lost that much money and can write it off in the form of your tax, wouldn't you? It would be extremely stupid not to do so. In fact, before he started those failed businesses, he must've had this as insurance. This is a pretty basic business concept.

[DonDadda59]

If you lost that much money...

...You would be a genius businessman. :bowdown:

[NumberSix]

...You would be a genius businessman. :bowdown:
Meh. Warren buffet lost something like $28 billion is one year. These are people who take big risks with big money. You have up years and down years. Gains and losses. Nobody doesn't ever have losses. The idea is just to have more gains than losses.

[highwhey]

Meh. Warren buffet lost something like $28 billion is one year. These are people who take big risks with big money. You have up years and down years. Gains and losses. Nobody doesn't ever have losses. The idea is just to have more gains than losses.
Don't ever compare Trump to a genius like Warren Buffet. You guys go overboard with your trolling sometimes.

[Facepalm]

This is a glorious October surprise.
Trumptards on here have been praying for an October surprise. I don't think this was quite what they had in mind :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

Meh. Warren buffet lost something like $28 billion is one year.

I don't know if that's true or just something you pulled out of your ass but what I do know for sure- Warren Buffet makes more than $500K per year doe (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferwang/2016/06/07/donald-trump-still-receiving-tax-break-meant-for-homeowners-making-under-500000-a-year/#78057cca2ac1)




You have up years and down years.

Looks like 2015-16 was another down year.

Donald 'Hood Rich' Drumpf just lost nearly another billion dollars in net worth over the past year (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/29/donald-trump-net-worth-falls-by-nearly-1-billion-dollars-forbes-says.html)

http://i67.tinypic.com/55jkwm.jpg

[Trollsmasher]

The Donald was over $1 billion in PERSONAL debt by the late 80s.


“I remember once, my father and I were walking down 5th Avenue, and there was a homeless person sitting right outside of Trump Tower. And I think I was probably nine, ten something like this, it was right around the time as the divorce. And I remember my father pointing to him and saying ‘That guy has $8 billion more than me.’ Because he was in such extreme debt at that point. And me thinking ‘What are you talking about?’ He was sitting outside of Trump Tower, and I didn’t understand.

-Ivanka Trump
2003 HBO Documentary 'Born Rich'

And the Drumpf empire has filed for bankruptcies more than any other business entity in this country in the past 30 years.

But I guess being hundreds of millions of dollars in debt to Goldman Sachs, German/Russian/Chinese banks/mobsters is a good thing?

:confusedshrug:
agreed about his '90s debt - him getting out of that and fully rebounding is very impressive:applause: :bowdown:

however his current debt is clearly a healthy one to have

[ZenMaster]

Let me ask you this simple question, and stop with the IRS currently auditing his taxes therefore he can't release them lie, it has been totally debunked...

Why do YOU believe he won't release them?

Simple question.

In b4 deflection to HC deleted emails :rolleyes:

Would be appreciated if you could recognize or not, if what you posted previously is nothing but conspiracy theories - especially if you're going to end your post with a prediction of deflection by me - "folks say"...

As for his taxes, it's true that he can release them in a legal sense, but he's under audit(meaning the IRS is looking for potential mistakes) - a tax file of 12.000 pages can have mistakes, it's pretty common). If he released them now and a mistake was found, you'd be all over it saying he cheats on his taxes, so better to wait until the IRS has put their stamp of approval on it.

If he hasn't paid income tax because of the 900 million being deductable, he can't change that anyway no matter if he releases them or not - and keep in mind what he's done isn't illegal - but instead made possible through rules, set forth by the politicians that you have voted for(that point seems lost on you).

[DonDadda59]

agreed about his '90s debt - him getting out of that and fully rebounding is very impressive:applause: :bowdown:

How do you know he 'got out of it' when he won't release any actual financial statements? From what reporters have been able to piece together- he owes potentially over a billion dollars to domestic and foreign banks (not to mention the rumors of him being in bed with Russian oligarchs and mobsters). He still gets a tax credit that only people making less than $500K per year qualify for.

Did you ever once ask yourself this- if he's as rich and successful as he claims, then why does he need to set up a fake university to scam senior citizens and vets out of their life savings? Why don't you see Warren Buffet or Bill Gates doing something similar? :confusedshrug:


however his current debt is clearly a healthy one to have

Again, what do you base this off?

[Nanners]

why does he need to set up a fake university to scam senior citizens and vets out of their life savings? Why don't you see Warren Buffet or Bill Gates doing something similar? :confusedshrug:



Its unconscionable that trump would make money with a fake scam university. what kind of piece of shit human being would do something like that? you would never see someone respectable do something similar.


Bill Clinton’s pay at for-profit education company topped $17.5 million (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/bill-clinton-laureate-for-profit-college-pay-226971)


The new figure brings the former president’s total compensation from Laureate to more than $17.5 million for his five-year role as an “honorary chancellor.” His role consisted of advising the company on educational matters and traveling to campuses across the world to speak to young people. Clinton ended his position at Laureate in April 2015 after Hillary Clinton launched her bid for the White House.

Laureate International Universities, the company’s international arm for which Clinton worked, has donated $1 million to $5 million to the Clinton Foundation, with a new contribution made as recently as the second quarter of this year, according to records posted on the foundation’s website.

Laureate says that its international operations represent the largest global network of degree-granting universities in the world, enrolling more than 1 million students across 28 countries. In the United States, the company owns Walden University, a Minneapolis-based online school that the Education Department has placed on a list of colleges that officials are more closely monitoring because of concerns over its “financial responsibility.”

[Facepalm]

As for his taxes, it's true that he can't release them in a legal sense, but he's under audit(meaning the IRS is looking for potential mistakes) - a tax file of 12.000 pages can have mistakes, it's pretty common). If he released them now and a mistake was found, you'd be all over it saying he cheats on his taxes, so better to wait until the IRS has put their stamp of approval on it.


).


What about the years that he isn't under audit? He refuses to release ANY tax records, no matter the year. You argument falls apart, just like Trump's

[DonDadda59]

[QUOTE=Nanners]Its unconscionable that trump would make money with a fake scam university. what kind of piece of shit human being would do something like that? you would never see someone respectable do something similar.

[URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/bill-clinton-laureate-for-profit-college-pay-226971"]
Bill Clinton

[BoutPractice]

This election appears to be following the typical reality TV plot right down to the end...

You got the scheming traitor, who comes in fourth when his dirty tricks finally turn against him... the elderly badass who finishes third after failing the agility test... and of course, the star of the show, the "heel" who entertains people every week by having the audience collectively ask themselves "why hasn't he been voted out yet?", who finishes second, ultimately handing the victory to a comparatively bland character.

[Nanners]

Breaking News- Bill Clinton made money from an actual accredited University that grants students real degrees.

That's the same as the scam that the Donald is facing RICO charges over because...

sure, he was paid 17.5 million by a school thats "actually accredited" the same way that other for-profit diploma mills like ITT tech and university of pheonix are "actually accreditted", totally not a scam at all...


the company owns Walden University, a Minneapolis-based online school that the Education Department has placed on a list of colleges that officials are more closely monitoring because of concerns over its “financial responsibility.”

[Terahite]

Its unconscionable that trump would make money with a fake scam university. what kind of piece of shit human being would do something like that? you would never see someone respectable do something similar.


Bill Clinton’s pay at for-profit education company topped $17.5 million (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/bill-clinton-laureate-for-profit-college-pay-226971)

:roll:

That's the thing about these petty attacks on Trump: even if they have a modicum of legitimacy, they are in most cases seven-to-ten fold true of his opponent in almost any area you want to look.

:yaohappy:

[DonDadda59]

sure, he was paid 17.5 million by a school thats "actually accredited" the same way that other for-profit diploma mills like ITT tech and university of pheonix are "actually accreditted", totally not a scam at all...

Dawg, there's a reason the Donald is facing RICO charges like a common mobster over his fake Universities and Bill is not. In fact... Is Bill facing any sort of legal issues over his involvement or payment?

If you can't figure out the difference between the two, I can't do anything for you.

[Terahite]

sure, actually accredited the same way that ITT tech and university of pheonix are actually accreditted, totally not a scam at all...
.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[highwhey]

sure, he was paid 17.5 million by a school thats "actually accredited" the same way that other for-profit diploma mills like ITT tech and university of pheonix are "actually accreditted", totally not a scam at all...
Are u really a doctor?

[DonDadda59]

Are u really a doctor?

Got his degree from Trump Univeristy. :applause:

But today he's just a 'progressive' who wants to see record tax cuts for the 1% and mega corporations put into law by a 'billionaire' who pays 0 taxes over the course of several decades. He also wants to see an entire religion banned from the country. And Dr. Nanners is on record that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.

Bernie must be rolling over in his grave. :facepalm

[TheMan]

Would be appreciated if you could recognize or not, if what you posted previously is nothing but conspiracy theories - especially if you're going to end your post with a prediction of deflection by me - "folks say"...

As for his taxes, it's true that he can't release them in a legal sense, but he's under audit(meaning the IRS is looking for potential mistakes) - a tax file of 12.000 pages can have mistakes, it's pretty common). If he released them now and a mistake was found, you'd be all over it saying he cheats on his taxes, so better to wait until the IRS has put their stamp of approval on it.

If he hasn't paid income tax because of the 900 million being deductable, he can't change that anyway no matter if he releases them or not - and keep in mind what he's done isn't illegal - but instead made possible through rules, set forth by the politicians that you have voted for(that point seems lost on you).
Could it be possible that Trump donates to politicians of both parties precisely to not pay taxes? To keep those loopholes open so rich people don't have to pay taxes like the rest of us schmucks?

[Nanners]

Are u really a doctor?

i am indeed a doctor.

in my medical opinion there seems to be a retard jabroni epidemic going around ISH these days. i believe they are calling it "dondumbass disease", hope you dont catch it.

[NumberSix]

Could it be possible that Trump donates to politicians of both parties precisely to not pay taxes? To keep those loopholes open so rich people don't have to pay taxes like the rest of us schmucks?
I think people with a lot more money than Trump do everything they can to keep these tax laws in place.

[Hawker]

Could it be possible that Trump donates to politicians of both parties precisely to not pay taxes? To keep those loopholes open so rich people don't have to pay taxes like the rest of us schmucks?

I'm sure the Clintons have been direct reciepients of these "donations." These loopholes existed under Bill and they just now thought up of eliminating them?:wtf:

[Micku]

This election, the whole year really, is crazy man.

Flat earth thing.
Turkey and Russia conflict.
ISIS being ISIS.
Hillary's emails.
Old man Sanders attracting the young voters.
Cavs beating the Warriors.
Wade leaving Miami.
KD to the Warriors.
Brexit.
BLMs
Trump being the GOP nominee.
Both candidates being historical bad in terms of approval.
Gary Johnson is lol.

Omg dude.

You can't write this. They gott'a make a movie on this election. All of these news stories on Trump dealings with Cuba and now the tax returns? Although it's legal, dang bro. I wonder what's going to be leak now with Hillary or Trump. This is crazy man. The historians are going to have fun with this year.

[TheMan]

i am indeed a doctor.

in my medical opinion there seems to be a retard jabroni epidemic going around ISH these days, i believe they are calling it "dondumbass", hope you dont catch it.
It's obviously too late for you, Trumpturd :cheers:

[Terahite]

Bernie must be rolling over in his grave. :facepalm

Bernie is very good at "rolling over", but not in his grave. Dude will probably outlive Hillbot by at least 10-12 years.

He certainly has a better chance of getting elected to office again.

:yaohappy:

[NumberSix]

Wtf? People are actually saying that Trump leaked this 1995 tax form? Lol. What possible reason would he have to leak this? In what possible way does this benefit him?

[DonDadda59]

Bernie is very good at "rolling over", but not in his grave. Dude will probably outlive Hillbot by at least 10-12 years.

He certainly has a better chance of getting elected to office again.

:yaohappy:

http://www.bankrate.com/financing/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/retirement-blog-social-security-clinton-and-sanders-debate.jpg

:applause:

If the fickle and wishy-washy 'progressives' want to throw away their vote to make America into a place where an entire religion is not allowed, where mass deportations happen, where corporations get massive breaks and are free to flee overseas and stash tax money in the Cayman Islands, where climate change is officially recognized as a Chinese hoax... Even if they choose to go the route of a scatter-brained pothead who doesn't know the most basic geography or civics... let them. It won't make a difference.

[warriorfan]

Trumper's last stand: "Hillary is going to die!!!"

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Hawker]

http://www.bankrate.com/financing/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/retirement-blog-social-security-clinton-and-sanders-debate.jpg

:applause:

If the fickle and wishy-washy 'progressives' want to throw away their vote to make America into a place where an entire religion is not allowed, where mass deportations happen, where corporations get massive breaks and are free to flee overseas and stash tax money in the Cayman Islands, where climate change is officially recognized as a Chinese hoax... Even if they choose to go the route of a scatter-brained pothead who doesn't know the most basic geography or civics... let them. It won't make a difference.

Why so xenophobic?

[highwhey]

Why so xenophobic?
Stop it hawk. You are not a good troll.

[DonDadda59]

Why so xenophobic?

We don't play that shit in America any more, Jack (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/articles/2016-04-07/pfizer-inversion-stopped-because-obama-is-serious-on-corporate-tax-dodging)

And we're not going backwards, either.

http://a.fod4.com/images/GifGuide/DealWithIt/obamadealwithit_gif.gif

[ThePhantomCreep]

I think people with a lot more money than Trump do everything they can to keep these tax laws in place.

That goes double for poor dumb right-wingers and Bernie Bros.

[NumberSix]

That goes double for poor dumb right-wingers and Bernie Bros.
Lol, yes. Bernie supporters are all about them tax breaks for billionaires. Of course.

:rolleyes:

[ThePhantomCreep]

I'm sure the Clintons have been direct reciepients of these "donations." These loopholes existed under Bill and they just now thought up of eliminating them?:wtf:

They've releases decades worth of tax returns and if you know anything about the GOP, they've been examined extensively.

Incriminating evidence = all on Trump's side.

[DonDadda59]

Lol, yes. Bernie supporters are all about them tax breaks for billionaires. Of course.

:rolleyes:

Dr. Nanners, M.D. is all about massive tax breaks for million-aires and billion-aires now. And he was the biggest Bernie Bro here.

Much like you and Cruz were on that #NeverTrump tip not too long ago.

Political musical chairs in this bitch.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Lol, yes. Bernie supporters are all about them tax breaks for billionaires. Of course.

:rolleyes:

Bernie supporters are aligned with HRC.

Bernie Bros (AKA: the far left) obviously prefer Trump. These aren't progressives, they're anarchists.

[highwhey]

Dondadda slaying everyone in this thread. :lol

[ZenMaster]

Could it be possible that Trump donates to politicians of both parties precisely to not pay taxes? To keep those loopholes open so rich people don't have to pay taxes like the rest of us schmucks?

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? And if so, the politicians you've selected must have terrible terrible ethics:


Data from the Federal Election Commission and state elections offices provided by the two websites show that Trump has given $584,850 to Democrats and $961,140 to the GOP over the last 26 years.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/09/ben-ferguson/donald-trumps-campaign-contributions-democrats-and/

If giving 1.5mill in donations, over 26 years, lets you implement rules that earns you +900mill dollars...Well then you must see that the system is completely?

If you want to look at real sizeable donations, that could actually affect rules like this, look at Wall street donations, koch brothers etc.
Hillary Clinton has received 127mill from hedge funds this election cycle alone, and here you are having your panties in a bunch over 1.5mill over 26 years..

[Hawker]

Stop it hawk. You are not a good troll.
Not a troll bub. It's another form of xenophobia.

[DonDadda59]

Not a troll bub. It's another form of xenophobia.

Actually, scratch what Whey said- your troll game is strong today. Keep doing what you're doing.

:yaohappy:

[warriorfan]

i am indeed a doctor.

in my medical opinion there seems to be a retard jabroni epidemic going around ISH these days. i believe they are calling it "dondumbass disease", hope you dont catch it.

What was up with your Hillary diagnosis?

[highwhey]

Not a troll bub. It's another form of xenophobia.
Fiscal xenophobia? In this case, it's quite healthy.

[Facepalm]

What was up with your Hillary diagnosis?
His completed his internship at Web MD

[FillJackson]

As for his taxes, it's true that he can't release them in a legal sense, but he's under audit(meaning the IRS is looking for potential mistakes) - a tax file of 12.000 pages can have mistakes, it's pretty common). If he released them now and a mistake was found, you'd be all over it saying he cheats on his taxes, so better to wait until the IRS has put their stamp of approval on it.

This is absolutely false. Yes, an audit for a return of his size is nothing unusual. However,

A. Nothing is preventing him from releasing tax returns under audit to the Public. The IRS has confirmed this. He has already committed those numbers to the IRS and he signed his returns under penalty of perjury. If he fudged the numbers he would already be liable for penalties, nothing about letting the public seeing them changes that.

B. He has not produced any proof he is actually being audited. The IRS is prohibited from commenting on this and Trump hasn't revealed any documents showing he is being auditing.

C. Not even this fake audit excuse applies to previous years. There is nothing preventing him from releasing previous year's returns which would no longer be under audit. Candidates often reveal many previous year's returns. Over the years decades of Clinton's returns have been released. (http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns)

Here's her 1995 return. (http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/presreturns.nsf/Returns/8918D17F7DAD258885256E43007BC89A/$file/B_Clinton_1995.pdf) They paid 75,000 dollars in federal tax that year.

[FillJackson]

Wtf? People are actually saying that Trump leaked this 1995 tax form? Lol. What possible reason would he have to leak this? In what possible way does this benefit him?
Personally, I believe someone leaked their own tax forms in this case.

[ZenMaster]

This is absolutely false. Yes, an audit for a return of his size is nothing unusual. However,

A. Nothing is preventing him from releasing tax returns under audit to the Public. The IRS has confirmed this. He has already committed those numbers to the IRS and he signed his returns under penalty of perjury. If he fudged the numbers he would already be liable for penalties, nothing about letting the public seeing them changes that.

B. He has not produced any proof he is actually being audited. The IRS is prohibited from commenting on this and Trump hasn't revealed any documents showing he is being auditing.

C. Not even this fake audit excuse applies to previous years. There is nothing preventing him from releasing previous year's returns which would no longer be under audit. Candidates often reveal many previous year's returns. Over the years decades of Clinton's returns have been released. (http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns)

Here's her 1995 return. (http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/presreturns.nsf/Returns/8918D17F7DAD258885256E43007BC89A/$file/B_Clinton_1995.pdf) They paid 75,000 dollars in federal tax that year.

I adressed your first point in my post: it wouldn't be smart.

You're right about the second point, he could absolute release past returns, but that's his choice and it seems he's going with it even if it makes him look bad.

Btw, you never got back on the videos from this past week oversight hearing, why did you disappear from that thread?

[dude77]

as usual Trump is a genius (http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/10/02/why-did-trump-leak-his-1995-tax-returns/)

[TheMan]

as usual Trump is a genius (http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/10/02/why-did-trump-leak-his-1995-tax-returns/)
:oldlol:

https://mccartneyfans.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/spin-doctors-longview-squirrel-fest-95.jpeg

[9erempiree]

:facepalm

This is the funniest shit I have ever read.

I don't think you guys understand how taxes work.

You guys are trying to explain something people pay me to do.

[FillJackson]

I adressed your first point in my post: it wouldn't be smart.

You're right about the second point, he could absolute release past returns, but that's his choice and it seems he's going with it even if it makes him look bad.
You didn't address my main point which is the idea he can't release his taxes in a "legal sense" is false.

Now that we agree on the second point, it shows the reason for why he's not doing the first point. He doesn't want to release them. Everything else is smoke and handwaving.


Btw, you never got back on the videos from this past week oversight hearing, why did you disappear from that thread?
I wasn't aware I was obligated to keep following threads. If I see something and I feel like posting and have time I'll post.

[TheMan]

Trump is more unpopular than Clinton, and has been consistently all throughout the presidential campaign. There is a direct correlation between the more popular candidate in late September and the eventual winner since 1980.



Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are the two most disliked presidential nominees in modern American history. That was true at the beginning of this campaign, and, as we sprint towards Election Day, it’s still true now. But equating Clinton and Trump’s popularity problems misses a meaningful part of the story. Sure, they both have terrible favorability ratings compared to past presidential candidates, but Clinton has consistently been more popular than Trump, and we’re now at the point in the campaign when that difference suggests Clinton has a clear advantage.

Why has Clinton maintained a greater edge in net favorability than the horse-race numbers? The gap might suggest she has more latent support that she isn’t currently capturing but could on Election Day. There’s also evidence of that upside when you compare two-way surveys (just Clinton vs. Trump) to four-way polls (which include Gary Johnson and Jill Stein). Clinton does better when Johnson and Stein voters are forced to choose between the two major party candidates.

That upside is one reason to keep an eye on the candidates’ favorability ratings. Especially now. Take a look at the average net favorability of the candidates in the final two weeks of September in elections since 1980.

NET FAVORABILITY RATINGS IN LATE SEPT.
YEAR WINNER DEMOCRAT REPUBLICAN DIFFERENCE
1980 Ronald Reagan -10.5 +6.0 R_+16.5
1984 Ronald Reagan -9.0 +14.0 R_+23.0
1988 George H. W. Bush +11.8 +17.4 R__+5.6
1992 Bill Clinton +11.4 -9.0 D_+20.4
1996 Bill Clinton +18.7 +3.1 D_+15.6
2000 George W. Bush +23.2 +24.4 R__+1.2
2004 George W. Bush -0.4 +10.6 R_+11.0
2008 Barack Obama +17.0 +12.4 D__+4.6
2012 Barack Obama +6.5 -5.4 D_+11.9
2016 — -13.8 -23.6 D__+9.8
The candidate with better favorables tends to win
Average of polls in final two weeks of September before the election

SOURCE: HUFFINGTON POST/POLLSTER.COM, REALCLEARPOLITICS AND ROPER ARCHIVE

A few things stick out. First, as I said at the outset, Clinton and Trump remain very much disliked relative to previous candidates. Jimmy Carter in 1980 was the only candidate before 2016 who had a net favorability of -10 percentage points or worse. Now, both Clinton and Trump fall into that category, and Trump’s is below -20 points.

Second, the difference in popularity between the candidates right now is fairly predictive of the November result. You can see this more clearly in the chart below, plotting the average difference in net favorability ratings of the Democratic and Republican presidential nominees in the final two weeks of the September before the election and the final result.

WARNING TRUMPTARDS, READ AT YOUR OWN RISK...YOU MAY BE TRIGGERED.

:yaohappy:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-more-unpopular-than-clinton-is-and-that-matters/

[ZenMaster]

You didn't address my main point which is the idea he can't release his taxes in a "legal sense" is false.

Now that we agree on the second point, it shows the reason for why he's not doing the first point. He doesn't want to release them. Everything else is smoke and handwaving.


I wasn't aware I was obligated to keep following threads. If I see something and I feel like posting and have time I'll post.

Meant to write can and not can't, edited it now and the whole post should make sense.

Right now, what seems to make the most sense, is that he leaked the 1995 records himself.

You're not obligated to do anything, but just funny how there's crickets when we get down to talking common sense.

[FillJackson]

Right now, what seems to make the most sense, is that he leaked the 1995 records himself.

I think someone leaked their own tax records, but I don't think it was Donald.

The night these came out Trump was pretty pissed, he accused Hillary of cheating on Bill and even did his impression of her fainting.

Also why leak to this reporter? He was unhappy with the article she wrote in August saying he has at least 650 million in debt. Why leak to anyone at the NY Times? He hates the NY Times.

[ZenMaster]

I think someone leaked their own tax records, but I don't think it was Donald.

The night these came out Trump was pretty pissed, he accused Hillary of cheating on Bill and even did his impression of her fainting.

Also why leak to this reporter? He was unhappy with the article she wrote in August saying he has at least 650 million in debt. Why leak to anyone at the NY Times? He hates the NY Times.
'
Wasn't that the same day he'd been called an asshole all day on CNN for the Machado thing?

Fair points about the reporter, in any case, it's lucky for him the 95 ones are out first - then there's at least focus on him having a losing year and getting possibility of the right off. If it all was released at the same time, there'd be so much focus on him just not paying federal tax, and the media could hammer it home as truly outrageous while mentioning 95 as little as possible.

[FillJackson]

'
Wasn't that the same day he'd been called an asshole all day on CNN for the Machado thing?
He's had a rough week.

The reporter when asked if she had more documents said no comment.

[Poetry]

David Cay Johnston, author of The Making of Donald Trump, thinks it might actually be closer to 40 years without paying taxes. :biggums:

At 2:52.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aDW9Rk9TPs

[Pointguard]

Why are posters here trying to say it's about the taxes? People are upset that Trump is talking about the national dept when the only claim to fame he has in life, is his business and he's been atrocious at it sometimes. After being bailed out by a consortium of 60 banks he loses close to a billion dollars. Huh, and he's talking about the national dept. If he hasn't paid taxes in 20 years or to a tune of a billion, I end up paying extra for his slack in the one thing he does well in life. Imagine what I will be paying if he becomes President and has shown great ineptitude already.

The problem with 916 million dollar loss is the whole loser profile:
Rude to women
Rude to other GOP's
No political acumen
No ability to take personal jabs
No experience
No tact
Little ability to listen to people
Doesn't know who he should praise
Doesn't realize when he should shut it down
Absolutely humiliates his backers by just not being diligent
Doesn't prepare for big moments
Sticks to his mistake when others have long abandoned it
Thinks he's winning when he's losing
Demands allegiance after he crosses the line with people

[NumberSix]

Personally, I believe someone leaked their own tax forms in this case.
You're kidding, right?

Am I reading your post wrong, or did you just say that you believe Donald Trump is the person who leaked his taxes? I MUST be misunderstanding this.

[FillJackson]

David Cay Johnston, author of The Making of Donald Trump, thinks it might actually be closer to 40 years without paying taxes. :biggums:

At 2:52.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aDW9Rk9TPs

The last year we have evidence of Trump paying taxes is 1977.

[FillJackson]

You're kidding, right?

Am I reading your post wrong, or did you just say that you believe Donald Trump is the person who leaked his taxes? I MUST be misunderstanding this.
I am not kidding.

I don't believe Donald Trump is the one who released the taxes.

Both of these statements are true.

You're warm.

[DonDadda59]

as usual Trump is a genius (http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/10/02/why-did-trump-leak-his-1995-tax-returns/)

http://i.makeagif.com/media/9-20-2016/SZ960f.gif


David Cay Johnston, author of The Making of Donald Trump, thinks it might actually be closer to 40 years without paying taxes. :biggums:

I defer to a wise man who once said 'that means functionally, he's a bum.'

[FillJackson]

Why are posters here trying to say it's about the taxes? People are upset that Trump is talking about the national dept when the only claim to fame he has in life, is his business and he's been atrocious at it sometimes. After being bailed out by a consortium of 60 banks he loses close to a billion dollars. Huh, and he's talking about the national dept. If he hasn't paid taxes in 20 years or to a tune of a billion, I end up paying extra for his slack in the one thing he does well in life. Imagine what I will be paying if he becomes President and has shown great ineptitude already.

The problem with 916 million dollar loss is the whole loser profile:
Rude to women
Rude to other GOP's
No political acumen
No ability to take personal jabs
No experience
No tact
Little ability to listen to people
Doesn't know who he should praise
Doesn't realize when he should shut it down
Absolutely humiliates his backers by just not being diligent
Doesn't prepare for big moments
Sticks to his mistake when others have long abandoned it
Thinks he's winning when he's losing
Demands allegiance after he crosses the line with people

It's a lot of this stuff AND his taxes. Washington Post has a story of voters in Toledo reacting to this story[QUOTE]

[NumberSix]

I am not kidding.

I don't believe Donald Trump is the one who released the taxes.

Both of these statements are true.

You're warm.
Trump had someone leak his taxes? :confusedshrug:

Dude, just tell me what you're getting at.


Unless this is all just some scheme to then release his taxes and if he pays a low rate like 12%, by comparison it looks acceptable. I guess it possible he leaked these to put "he doesn't pay taxes" in people's minds then swoops in to show that he actually did and makes himself look good despite paying a low rate.

[Poetry]

Trump had someone leak his taxes? :confusedshrug:

Dude, just tell me what you're getting at.

If I'm understanding him correctly, you should go look at the first page of the forms.

[FillJackson]

David Cay Johnston
He said something that has stuck with me.

What’s wrong with our current tax system?

Most Americans believe what turns out to be a myth–that we heavily tax the highest-income Americans to subsidize the poor. What the government’s data show is that the middle class and upper middle class–people making $30,000 to $500,000 per year–are subsidizing the highest-income taxpayers. Tax rates on the middle and upper middle classes are rising, the government’s data show, but for the people who make millions per year, effective tax rates are falling dramatically.

Secondly, law enforcement has collapsed. I name two billionaires who’ve testified under oath that for 30 years they never filed a tax return while running a business in New York. Nothing has happened to them, or to most of the many other people I name in my book who admit or even brag about not paying taxes.

[FillJackson]

If I'm understanding him correctly, you should go look at the first page of the forms.
You are understanding me correctly. Also the back of the front page too.

[NumberSix]

Lol. Priceless.

Clinton campaign admits Hillary on her 2015 taxes has used this exact same tax provision.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Poetry]

You are understanding me correctly. Also the back of the front page too.

It hadn't occurred to me. But now I'm surprised no one in the media has suggested it.

[FillJackson]

It hadn't occurred to me. But now I'm surprised no one in the media has suggested it.
When I thought about it. I thought who would have access. Tax employees would, but it's a giant risk.

I made a couple of comments on this page about it. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=418962) It would totally fit motive, means and opportunity.

and after it hit me, I starting looking online to see anyone was saying and found a few people on Facebook suggesting it, but no news orgs. And they found two other big clues. I'll post them if it comes out. One clue is in the photocopies themselves and the other is an odd article that also came out in the NY Times which if unrelated would be one hell of a coincidence.

[NumberSix]

If I'm understanding him correctly, you should go look at the first page of the forms.
Can we not be all cryptic about it? Just spit it out. What am I missing here?

[Poetry]

Can we not be all cryptic about it? Just spit it out. What am I missing here?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/01/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

[9erempiree]

Lol. Priceless.

Clinton campaign admits Hillary on her 2015 taxes has used this exact same tax provision.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

Everyone has. It is one of the biggest loopholes the tax code. No laws were broken.

[NumberSix]

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/01/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html
Oh, ok. Got it. Was it so hard to just say you think Marla Maples leaked them?


Btw, it would still be illegal for her to leak them.

[FillJackson]

Oh, ok. Got it. Was it so hard to just say you think Marla Maples leaked them?


Btw, it would still be illegal for her to leak them.
It was way more fun this way. You got some blind spots, homie.

It would not be illegal for her to release her own returns.

[Poetry]

Oh, ok. Got it. Was it so hard to just say you think Marla Maples leaked them?

It's FillJackson's theory. It's a good one though. I was confused at first too when he was dropping hints.

[NumberSix]

It was way more fun this way. You got some blind spots, homie.

It would not be illegal for her to release her own returns.
Yeah, actually, it would. It's not "her" tax return. It's joint. Even if it wasn't, there's only about a 100% chance that in their divorce, she signed some kind of non-disclosure agreement.

Not a chance that it came from her. She wouldn't risk the possible problems it would cause her.

[FillJackson]

Yeah, actually, it would. It's not "her" tax return. It's joint. Even if it wasn't, there's only about a 100% chance that in their divorce, she signed some kind of non-disclosure agreement.

Not a chance that it came from her. She wouldn't risk the possible problems it would cause her.

Yeah, it's her joint tax return.

The other reason I was cryptic is I like to clear when I'm dealing in rumor or speculation. Rumor as fact is already a big enough problem as it is on this board.

The returns were mailed from Manhattan. Marla has moved back to Manhattan in recent years.

[DonDadda59]

Yeah, it's her joint tax return.

The other reason I was cryptic is I like to clear when I'm dealing in rumor or speculation. Rumor as fact is already a big enough problem as it is on this board.

The returns were mailed from Manhattan. Marla has moved back to Manhattan in recent years.

Best served cold (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdrFBwwWJ44) :pimp:

[FillJackson]

Best served cold (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdrFBwwWJ44) :pimp:


When Trump was trying to be the Reform Party's nominee in 2000, Marla said I will let people know what he is really like.

Trump stopping paying alimony and had his lawyers go after her.

[DonDadda59]

Well damn... That was fast (http://theweek.com/speedreads/652552/hillary-clinton-already-brutal-ad-donald-trumps-taxreturn-leak)

[poido123]

Well damn... That was fast (http://theweek.com/speedreads/652552/hillary-clinton-already-brutal-ad-donald-trumps-taxreturn-leak)


So her final punch is tax returns?


I think we can safely assume whatever comes out in wikileaks on Hillary will be far worse.

[LikeABosh]

dude is morally bankrupt.
Well it's against my morals to give the bloodsucking government $1 that I don't have to. You can be sure they will **** you over for every penny they can get so why shouldn't you as a citizen be the same?

[DonDadda59]

Apparently The Donald is high in the running for WOAT businessman.

Alan Cole @AlanMCole
All Net Operating Losses in 1995: $49.331 billion.
NOL taken by @realDonaldTrump in 1995: $916 million.
Trump was 1.9% of the US total.
9:16 AM - 3 Oct 2016

Genius.

[NumberSix]

Well damn... That was fast (http://theweek.com/speedreads/652552/hillary-clinton-already-brutal-ad-donald-trumps-taxreturn-leak)
Well, yeah. The New York Times has very obviously been coordinating with the Clinton campaign. They obviously told her before the story came out.

[DonDadda59]

Well, yeah. The New York Times has very obviously been coordinating with the Clinton campaign. They obviously told her before the story came out.

Don Clinteone :applause:

[senelcoolidge]

All of this was orchestrated. Someone has to go to prison for this..maybe the New York Times should be held accountable. It's an illegal act. Everything with Hillary seems to be illegal. This won't hurt Donald Trump. It probably shows that tax codes do need to be fixed.

[Facepalm]

All of this was orchestrated. Someone has to go to prison for this..maybe the New York Times should be held accountable. It's an illegal act. Everything with Hillary seems to be illegal. This won't hurt Donald Trump. It probably shows that tax codes do need to be fixed.


What did the NY Times do that was illegal? Post the tax records? If that's the case then everything your idol Assange has released is as well.

[redhonda76]

Trump is just taking advantage of the law that the businesses had lobbied Congress. Nothing he did was illegal. If anything, blame the politicians that put this tax code.

[FillJackson]

Well, yeah. The New York Times has very obviously been coordinating with the Clinton campaign. They obviously told her before the story came out.
This is just inside the bubble nonsense.

The NY Times's first story on the Clinton emails was later determined by the public editor to be a mess that required several corrections.

They made an editorial agreement with that Clinton Cash guy even though he was known at a partisan whose previous forays in government accountability on the Obama administration were discredited (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-bogus-claim-that-obama-skips-his-intelligence-briefings/2012/09/22/100cb63e-04fc-11e2-8102-ebee9c66e190_blog.html). This is how the discredited uranium story appeared in the NY Times. The Times basically put their editorial stamp of approval on an opposition researcher. And they got burned. The publisher of the book had to issue several corrections and the author had to admit he had no actual evidence of corruption.

But this nonsense set the tone for the coverage of the Clinton Foundation to the point, where most people don't even actually know how the Clinton Foundation works or what it does to the point where routine actions of US foreign policy with input and sign off from throughout the government were twisted into things that only occurred because Clinton wanted them to.


So the New York times bet their integrity on a Glenn Beck co-author and a Breitbart editor.

[FillJackson]

Also why would you think it would take a long time to turn around that video?

It's about a minute long. Other than an intro, 2 points and a conclusion, the rest of the text on screen is from the video clips themselves.

The two points you can find on the first page of this thread. You can literally find the attack points on this thread. Given a media team in campaign response mode, you would have the outline of that ad in an hour.

And the time article is not the most recent part of the ad. It's the newscasts which all campaigns record and content systems where they can quickly tag things for retrieval and on a turnaround like this, you just grab the full segments where they discussed the tax returns and grab the best bits.

The rest of the things to think about like the font/layouts are in place because it's the same template as previous ads. My NLE would let me save template like that on the project level AND on the clip level. Once you've got it worked out, it's child play to reproduce it.


You don't need collusion or conspiracy to get that done, you only need competence.

[ZenMaster]

What did the NY Times do that was illegal? Post the tax records? If that's the case then everything your idol Assange has released is as well.

You might have missed it, but Assange has been stuck in an embassy in London for years - and people who've given to wikileaks are in jail or would be if they were caught..

[FillJackson]

Literally the second post on this thread has a line eventually used in the ad.


That makes him smart.

[FillJackson]

You might have missed it, but Assange has been stuck in an embassy in London for years - and people who've given to wikileaks are in jail or would be if they were caught..
Why is he in that embassy again?

[NumberSix]

Why is he in that embassy again?
Because Hillary Clinton wants to kill him.

[FillJackson]

Because Hillary Clinton wants to kill him.
She was just funnin'

She's pretty hilarious in person.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Trump, in an attempt to justify his catastrophic losses, just argued that the early 90s downturn was worse than the Great Recession. In a roundabout way, he tried to blame Bill Clinton for his shitty business acumen, :roll:

Trump supporters must really hate Brown people to swallow this horseshit.

[Facepalm]

You might have missed it, but Assange has been stuck in an embassy in London for years - and people who've given to wikileaks are in jail or would be if they were caught..
So do you support him or do you not?

[ZenMaster]

So do you support him or do you not?

I have no problem with him and what he does, wikileaks has unveiled massive corruption and wrong doings within governments and people have become much more enlightened because of it.

I fail to see your point though, you were the one - while trying for the opposite - who argued that releasing Trumps tax records without his consent is illegal ;)

[DonDadda59]

If you had $100 in 1994 and you had a choice of investing in the Donald's business genius or somewhere else:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct4Gq3aWgAAydFp.jpg:large

Go with the genius. :applause:

[Nick Young]

Trump admits his billion dollar loss in the first two minutes of the first season of the Apprentice.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgiWk4zWnJo)
The Apprentice was one of the highest rated reality shows in America.

https://d25891dthrp607.cloudfront.net/image/upload/stranger-things.1.6.1289000.75.gif

[DonDadda59]

The longest held-in fart World Record was just set by Mr. Young

Welcome back. Hope you make the most of your few remaining days here.

:cheers:

[poido123]

Those of you who are smart enough to do your research and read all the wikileaks on Hillary and see through the media bias will probably vote for Trump.


Those of you who choose to ignore the incriminating evidence against Hillary and her dark past will vote Hillary.


It takes a certain person to vote for a crooked and evil woman like that.


Some of you must have some pretty damaged moral filters is all I'm saying.

[Nick Young]

The mods are Hilldawg apologists. I was banned for posting photographic proof of the history of racism in the Democratic party, as well as for making posts about the KKK's Clinton connections. Apparently history and reality makes some people uncomfortable and hurts their fee fees.

I have returned to help foster community unity and to help ISH MAGA

#JeSuisNickYoung

[FillJackson]

If I'm understanding him correctly, you should go look at the first page of the forms.
Tony SchwartzVerified account
‏@tonyschwartz
I'm strongly inclined to believe Marla Maples leaked Trump's taxes. She knows who he is. Likely terrified at prospect of him as president.

[Jameerthefear]

Those of you who are smart enough to do your research and read all the wikileaks on Hillary and see through the media bias will probably vote for Trump.


Those of you who choose to ignore the incriminating evidence against Hillary and her dark past will vote Hillary.


It takes a certain person to vote for a crooked and evil woman like that.


Some of you must have some pretty damaged moral filters is all I'm saying.
Too bad you can't vote for either one :roll: