Cops recorded saying ''im going to hit him'' before killing unarmed man

[PistonsFan#21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO3NUXeM89o

You could almost hear the excitement in his voice. He was obviously out there with the intention to kill the guy and not even trying to arrest him. Apparently that man was mentally ill too. This seems like it was straight out of a GTA game

[Long Duck Dong]

Since when is having a knife and waving it around at people on the street considered "unarmed"? :rolleyes:

OP is just looking for a reason to loot his local WalMart.

911 calls to police said the man had a black handle gun tucked into his waist band so police were on high alert. Idk what the item was in his waist band but he grabbed it, lifted it in the air, and shouted, "I am the law!" like he was Judge Dredd or something. That's when police let him have it.

[warriorfan]

I can't even watch these ****ed up videos anymore

How hard is it to taze a guy? (Not considering how half the time their excuse is "oops, I mistook my gun for my tazer!") :facepalm

[HenryGarfunkle]

Here's the real story:

At 9:25 a.m. that morning, someone called the police because a man was waving a knife in the 1100 block of Lochbrae Road. Callers complained to a police dispatcher that the man was not making sense and was behaving irrationally.

When the first officer arrived on the scene, the man charged at him, prompting the officer to lock himself in his police cruiser. The officer called for backup and tried to leave the area, but the man walked around the police cruiser and blocked it with his body.

When the two backup officers arrived, the man with a knife took off running. The officers began chasing him on foot, and one of them suffered a non-life-threatening injury to his lower body during the pursuit.

The man refused to comply with the officers’ commands and acted “really crazy.” When the officers approached the man, he turned around and charged at them. At that moment, both officers fired their weapons, striking the man, in accordance with the 21 foot rule.
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[HenryGarfunkle]

Another idiot black armed and acting crazy gets killed.

"COPS R BAD!!!!!1111"

:facepalm

Should've been OP.

[TommyGriffin]

"21 foot rule". What bullshit. If you are too ***** that you have to murder anyone within 20 feet of you that has a knife you shouldn't be a police officer.

If the Cop has a partner there, one of them has to take charge and use non lethal while the other covers him with a gun as a contingency plan if the non lethals do not work.

Before anyone says "that isn't feasible", it is. They aren't properly trained and don't give a shit because it's now considered acceptable to blow someone away at the slightest threat.

[TheWinningFam]

"21 foot rule". What bullshit. If you are too ***** that you have to murder anyone within 20 feet of you that has a knife you shouldn't be a police officer.

If the Cop has a partner there, one of them has to take charge and use non lethal while the other covers him with a gun as a contingency plan if the non lethals do not work.

Before anyone says "that isn't feasible", it is. They aren't properly trained and don't give a shit because it's now considered acceptable to blow someone away at the slightest threat.
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[PistonsFan#21]

sorry this is the link for the shooting of the unarmed man:

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhAtpNg8MXbA8V4101

i mistakenly thought it was 2 different views of the same shooting, turns out it was a different story that also happened not too long ago. :facepalm

Seems like its more common than i thought.

[Orlando Magic]

"21 foot rule". What bullshit.


Originating from research by Salt Lake City trainer Dennis Tueller "rule" states that in the time it takes the average officer to recognize a threat, draw his sidearm and fire 2 rounds at center mass, an average subject charging at the officer with a knife or other cutting or stabbing weapon can cover a distance of 21 feet.

Is it bullshit?

[Hawker]

"21 foot rule". What bullshit. If you are too ***** that you have to murder anyone within 20 feet of you that has a knife you shouldn't be a police officer.

If the Cop has a partner there, one of them has to take charge and use non lethal while the other covers him with a gun as a contingency plan if the non lethals do not work.

Before anyone says "that isn't feasible", it is. They aren't properly trained and don't give a shit because it's now considered acceptable to blow someone away at the slightest threat.

And by what authority do you have to say it is feasible? And what if the "non-lethal" way not working means killing the cop? That is definitely feasible.

The number one way to defend yourself against a knife is by running away.

[Hawker]

Is it bullshit?

Lot of armchair law enforcement in this thread.

[Long Duck Dong]

"21 foot rule". What bullshit. If you are too ***** that you have to murder anyone within 20 feet of you that has a knife you shouldn't be a police officer.

If the Cop has a partner there, one of them has to take charge and use non lethal while the other covers him with a gun as a contingency plan if the non lethals do not work.

Before anyone says "that isn't feasible", it is. They aren't properly trained and don't give a shit because it's now considered acceptable to blow someone away at the slightest threat.

You're so retarded it hurts. Killing in self defense is not murder. Killing a public threat is not murder. A person can cover 20 feet in one second. You sound like that jackass BLM leader who thought cops were too trigger happy, and used lethal force unecessarily. So the police asked him if he wanted to take a simulation course and show them what he thought was justifiable use of force. This fool was blasting away everything that moved. :roll: After that he apologized to the police and said he had a newfound respect for the stress cops are put through everyday.

[TommyGriffin]

Is it bullshit?


"Originating from research by Salt Lake City trainer Dennis Tueller "rule" states that in the time it takes the average officer to recognize a threat, draw his sidearm and fire 2 rounds at center mass, an average subject charging at the officer with a knife or other cutting or stabbing weapon can cover a distance of 21 feet."


Yes. Complete bullshit.

For one these reports usually are from a call concerning "a man waving a knife". So for one you don't have to recognize the threat, you are already knowledgeable of that information before you are on scene. You respond to the call with your partner, both hop out the vehicle using the car door for shielding, one using non lethal and the other using his gun. If the person all of a sudden turns into Shinobi and starts charging, the partner with non lethal fires first and if the person still is not subdued then live fire should be used. This is very practical and safe when executed properly.


You're so retarded it hurts. Killing in self defense is not murder. Killing a public threat is not murder. A person can cover 20 feet in one second. You sound like that jackass BLM leader who thought cops were too trigger happy, and used lethal force unecessarily. So the police asked him if he wanted to take a simulation course and show them what he thought was justifiable use of force. This fool was blasting away everything that moved. :roll: After that he apologized to the police and said he had a newfound respect for the stress cops are put through everyday.
Your story about how everyone is a Shinobi ninja warrior that can close out 20 feet in under a second and stab an officer in the throat before he can draw his weapon is literally one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.

[Patrick Chewing]

Comply and you won't die.

[TheWinningFam]

Comply and you won't die.
Thinking like this is why your Bitch left you. :lol

[TommyGriffin]

Comply and you won't die.
I'm actually partly in agreement about this. The problem is you have some of these people who are on drugs or flat out mentally ill and are not competent enough to follow orders at that certain time. A lot of these people needed help, not to be executed in the street, tagged and bagged. Non lethal ammunition needs to be utilized way more often.

[PistonsFan#21]

Comply and you won't die.

This should be their new slogan instead of ''To serve and protect''

[Long Duck Dong]

Your story about how everyone is a Shinobi ninja warrior that can close out 20 feet in under a second and stab an officer in the throat before he can draw his weapon is literally one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.

Again, you're stupidity is showing. The average athletic man can cover 120 feet in just over 5 seconds. And you are acting like a cop has all the time in the world to make a decision and act before an assailant 20 feet away is on him or her. Just STFU please. :rolleyes:

[TommyGriffin]

Again, you're stupidity is showing. The average athletic man can cover 120 feet in just over 5 seconds. And you are acting like a cop has all the time in the world to make a decision and act before an assailant 20 feet away is on him or her. Just STFU please. :rolleyes:
Short Duck, quit melting. You have no idea what the **** you are talking about. You sound like an idiot right now.

[Long Duck Dong]

Short Duck, quit melting. You have no idea what the **** you are talking about. You sound like an idiot right now.

I know that 20 feet is less than the length of my pickup and you are acting like it's a football field away.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm actually partly in agreement about this. The problem is you have some of these people who are on drugs or flat out mentally ill and are not competent enough to follow orders at that certain time. A lot of these people needed help, not to be executed in the street, tagged and bagged. Non lethal ammunition needs to be utilized way more often.


To be fair, in those tense few seconds before a police officer draws his weapon, there is no time to run a background check on the individual to see if he's mentally ill, on drugs, or just having a bad day. The job trains them to eliminate the threat.

I'm in favor of less lethal means such as rubber bullets. But until that's mandated country-wide, then I support justified shootings so long as the alternative wasn't one where the perpetrator would have harmed anyone else.

[upside24]

Lot of armchair law enforcement in this thread.
Lol

[TommyGriffin]

To be fair, in those tense few seconds before a police officer draws his weapon, there is no time to run a background check on the individual to see if he's mentally ill, on drugs, or just having a bad day. The job trains them to eliminate the threat.

I'm in favor of less lethal means such as rubber bullets. But until that's mandated country-wide, then I support justified shootings so long as the alternative wasn't one where the perpetrator would have harmed anyone else.
That is not really how it goes down though, unless the extremely rare possibility that a patrol car is driving by while they see the incident of the suspect in action of a crime or suspicious activity.

99% of the time someone reports the individual to 911 where dispatch will communicate to the closest officers of the scene, filling them in with the location and details of the emergency. So by the time the officers get to the scene, they will usually know the details of "A man yelling and threatening people with a weapon". So before they even see the guy they know what type of situation they are getting into and are able to mentally prepare for it, there is no split second judgement call where a random guy is all of a sudden running at them, they have information before they arrive at the scene.

As I said before, if there is someone unstable with a knife, an officer with a partner are able to respond to the scene, engage at a safe distance and attempt to deescalate the situation while one officer uses non lethal rounds while the other uses lethal ammunition in a last resort. Lethal force should be a last resort, not the first.

And if everyone is still hellbent on the 20 feet thing, I would like to see the 21 feet rule amended to if someone is even brandishing a knife within 20 feet of an officer they will immediately get rubber slugs until they submit, and if that doesn't work then they get hit with the live ammunition. This would be a preemptive but non-deadly strike that would end the situation before it turned potentially deadly for both the suspect and the officers.

[UK2K]

I know that 20 feet is less than the length of my pickup and you are acting like it's a football field away.

21 feet is the min. safe distance from someone with an edged weapon.

Inside that 21 ft, they can close the gap faster than you can draw and squeeze the trigger.

People think that's a myth, but I always suggest they try it and find out.

[UK2K]

That is not really how it goes down though, unless the extremely rare possibility that a patrol car is driving by while they see the incident of the suspect in action of a crime or suspicious activity.

99% of the time someone reports the individual to 911 where dispatch will communicate to the closest officers of the scene, filling them in with the location and details of the emergency. So by the time the officers get to the scene, they will usually know the details of "A man yelling and threatening people with a weapon". So before they even see the guy they know what type of situation they are getting into and are able to mentally prepare for it, there is no split second judgement call where a random guy is all of a sudden running at them, they have information before they arrive at the scene.

As I said before, if there is someone unstable with a knife, an officer with a partner are able to respond to the scene, engage at a safe distance and attempt to deescalate the situation while one officer uses non lethal rounds while the other uses lethal ammunition in a last resort. Lethal force should be a last resort, not the first.

And if everyone is still hellbent on the 20 feet thing, I would like to see the 21 feet rule amended to if someone is even brandishing a knife within 20 feet of an officer they will immediately get rubber slugs until they submit, and if that doesn't work then they get hit with the live ammunition. This would be a preemptive but non-deadly strike that would end the situation before it turned potentially deadly for both the suspect and the officers.

This may be the first post I've ever seen of yours that I agree with...

Except the bolded.

Most officers don't ride in pairs; and the reason most officers don't carry non-lethal rounds is because A) they're still lethal if you can't aim and B) departments don't want them to grab for the wrong gun (in the event of an actual shootout).

I didn't even have non-lethal rounds... I had OC spray (which is about 3x-4x the strength civilian police are legally allowed to carry) which worked most of the time, but then you've got to be within that 21 feet range so it makes you not want to use it.

[TommyGriffin]

This may be the first post I've ever seen of yours that I agree with...

Except the bolded.

Most officers don't ride in pairs; and the reason most officers don't carry non-lethal rounds is because A) they're still lethal if you can't aim and B) departments don't want them to grab for the wrong gun (in the event of an actual shootout).

I didn't even have non-lethal rounds... I had OC spray (which is about 3x-4x the strength civilian police are legally allowed to carry) which worked most of the time, but then you've got to be within that 21 feet range so it makes you not want to use it.
I'm saying they need to have a change in protocols. They need to have way more officers working as pairs, the Michael Brown incident would of never happened the way it did if officers were in pair and better trained. They need to have better training, if someone can't shoot a non-lethal gun without accidentally shooting someone in the face then they shouldn't be on the force. They need more advanced techniques of psychological evaluations for potential recruits. If they are having problems with recruiting more quality officers then they need to pay the officers more and offer more incentives.