View Full Version : One thing that is overlooked when discussing the warriors 3-1 collapse in the FINALS
PWB15
10-08-2016, 03:03 PM
The Dog shit coaching Job of Steve Kerr in all 3 games especially game 7. Most people blame curry but kerr is the main reason they lost the series due to his inability to make adjustments. And the fact that curry was launching 3's with the game tied with 3 mins left in Game 7 lets you know he doesn't coach the game. Instead he watches the game like us as a fan which is why the warriors have a playground style of play.
Is there a chance of Kerr being fired if GS loses another Finals or doesn't reach the finals? I don't think Kerr is a good coach
Lebron23
10-08-2016, 03:05 PM
The Dog shit coaching Job of Steve Kerr in all 3 games especially game 7. Most people blame curry but kerr is the main reason they lost the series due to his inability to make adjustments. And the fact that curry was launching 3's with the game tied with 3 mins left in Game 7 lets you know he doesn't coach the game. Instead he watches the game like us as a fan which is why the warriors have a playground style of play.
Is there a chance of Kerr being fired if GS loses another Finals or doesn't reach the finals? I don't think Kerr is a good coach
I agree. He got out coached by Tyron Lue in the NBA Finals.
MP.Trey
10-08-2016, 03:06 PM
I agree. He got out coached by Tyron Lue in the NBA Finals.
He got out coached by David Blatt in 2015 as well. He was just lucky the talent gap was so wide.
Lebron23
10-08-2016, 03:19 PM
He got out coached by David Blatt in 2015 as well. He was just lucky the talent gap was so wide.
Yeah. And Coach Kerr is also arrogant like his players.
CuterThanRubio
10-08-2016, 03:22 PM
Utilizing Varejao as an offensive option down the stretch in game 7 was one of the worst coaching decisions I have ever witnessed, it swung the momentum in Cleveland's favor and The Warriors were unable to recover.
I still believe that GSW would have won the series at full strength but Lue was making power moves on the floor and took advantage of the situation in front of him.
sammichoffate
10-08-2016, 03:36 PM
Utilizing Varejao as an offensive option down the stretch in game 7 was one of the worst coaching decisions I have ever witnessed, it swung the momentum in Cleveland's favor and The Warriors were unable to recover.
I still believe that GSW would have won the series at full strength but Lue was making power moves on the floor and took advantage of the situation in front of him.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdblVnvXDuE&t=2m10s
JebronLames
10-08-2016, 04:19 PM
Yeah. And Coach Kerr is also arrogant like his players.
:applause: he is very unlikeable. I don't blame MJ for punching him.
GrapeApe
10-08-2016, 04:22 PM
I comletely agree, and it was more than just his in-game coaching. Imo he lost control of the team. I don't mean that as in the inmates were running the asylum. I just didn't like the team's overall focus, attitude, and demeanor. Kerr was part of the reason the Warriors were underwhelming in the playoffs. For some reason he gets left off the hook.
Sarcastic
10-08-2016, 04:33 PM
They won 73 games with that style of play. Why would you not trust a style of play that got you that far, only to try something new in game 7 of the Finals? And what other options did he have? Put Curry in the post? Nope. Put Klay in the post? Nope. Put Dray in the post? Nope. Put Barnes in the post? Lol.
Their game plan for the year was live by the 3, die by the 3. They're actually quite bad at other aspects of the game, which is why they're not as great a team as their record says they are.
warriorfan
10-08-2016, 04:34 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0211/nba_g_silver11_600x400.jpg
SouBeachTalents
10-08-2016, 04:39 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0211/nba_g_silver11_600x400.jpg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PpjtV4qjJBU
ILLsmak
10-08-2016, 08:12 PM
The Dog shit coaching Job of Steve Kerr in all 3 games especially game 7. Most people blame curry but kerr is the main reason they lost the series due to his inability to make adjustments. And the fact that curry was launching 3's with the game tied with 3 mins left in Game 7 lets you know he doesn't coach the game. Instead he watches the game like us as a fan which is why the warriors have a playground style of play.
Is there a chance of Kerr being fired if GS loses another Finals or doesn't reach the finals? I don't think Kerr is a good coach
If he had sat Curry for the end of game 7, I think they win.
But I felt like that the year Manu was throwing the ball out of bounds in the finals vs Cavs. I was like... man sit that fool down. But no. I guess you can't do that in the NBA.
Edit: That being said, **** off people who are saying Kerr is not a good coach. He is, in my opinion. He's very good. He was a good GM, too, I think. He just is maligned cuz of bad outcomes.
Still, who has the balls to sit a player who is playing like dog shit. On the level that it looks like they are throwing the game... that's what kind of coach you need. You'd think Phil Jackson would do some shit like that, or Riley.
-Smak
AintNoSunshine
10-08-2016, 09:36 PM
Utilizing Varejao as an offensive option down the stretch in game 7 was one of the worst coaching decisions I have ever witnessed, it swung the momentum in Cleveland's favor and The Warriors were unable to recover.
I still believe that GSW would have won the series at full strength but Lue was making power moves on the floor and took advantage of the situation in front of him.
Not like he had other options with Bogut out. Speight can't do anything but shoot outside shots, he was blamed for playing Ezeli too. And you can't go death lineup for a long period of time, especially when Iguodala was crippled.
Lebron and Kyrie played out of their mind, Tristan Thompson was doing his thing whole series long. Ty Lue was controlling the game with rotations and timely timeouts. Just give Cavs props instead.
Spurs m8
10-08-2016, 09:43 PM
As I've always said, he's over-rated, he's just always found himself surrounded by amazing people that can carry him.
To think, he's now been given Durant LMAO
This guy is emptier than James Jones
TheGreatDeraj
10-09-2016, 02:22 AM
Considering you didn't even mention it in your original post, I will say the most overlooked things are that the Warriors unfairly lost Draymond Green due to a basketball reasons(extend the series)game 5 suspension. Then in game 5 they lose Bogut who was their best interior defender for the rest of the series. To make it worse, in game 6 they lose their best perimeter defender in Iguodala who hurt his back and was a shell of himself for the rest of the series. Then when you factor in Harrison Barnes going ice cold and Curry letting everyone down by throwing a behind the back pass out of bounds, getting shut down by Irving and then Love with the game on the line as well as letting Irving nail a three in his face.
How could you possibly blame coaching? Which adjustments should he have made? You can't bench Curry. Both SF's, Iggy and Barnes, were struggling, and every center he put in wasn't working whether it was Speights, Ezeli or Varajao.
34-24 Footwork
10-09-2016, 03:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdblVnvXDuE&t=2m10s
Lol @ biting on a LBJ pump fake from outside the paint.
MP.Trey
10-09-2016, 08:24 AM
Lol @ biting on a LBJ pump fake from outside the paint.
You might do that if you don't want something like this happening:
http://i.imgur.com/eS0SsaP.gif
Jasper
10-09-2016, 11:05 AM
The Dog shit coaching Job of Steve Kerr in all 3 games especially game 7. Most people blame curry but kerr is the main reason they lost the series due to his inability to make adjustments. And the fact that curry was launching 3's with the game tied with 3 mins left in Game 7 lets you know he doesn't coach the game. Instead he watches the game like us as a fan which is why the warriors have a playground style of play.
Is there a chance of Kerr being fired if GS loses another Finals or doesn't reach the finals? I don't think Kerr is a good coach
You are right - he should of pulled Curry out in game 6 & 7.....
He kept the push shooter out there making bad plays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpjtV4qjJBU
Jasper
10-09-2016, 11:09 AM
The Dog shit coaching Job of Steve Kerr in all 3 games especially game 7. Most people blame curry but kerr is the main reason they lost the series due to his inability to make adjustments. And the fact that curry was launching 3's with the game tied with 3 mins left in Game 7 lets you know he doesn't coach the game. Instead he watches the game like us as a fan which is why the warriors have a playground style of play.
Is there a chance of Kerr being fired if GS loses another Finals or doesn't reach the finals? I don't think Kerr is a good coach
You are right - he should of pulled Curry out in game 6 & 7.....
He kept the push shooter out there making bad plays.
Now he will have Durant to make the same dumb plays :oldlol:
PWB15
10-09-2016, 11:29 AM
They won 73 games with that style of play. Why would you not trust a style of play that got you that far, only to try something new in game 7 of the Finals? And what other options did he have? Put Curry in the post? Nope. Put Klay in the post? Nope. Put Dray in the post? Nope. Put Barnes in the post? Lol.
Their game plan for the year was live by the 3, die by the 3. They're actually quite bad at other aspects of the game, which is why they're not as great a team as their record says they are.
The game was tied and curry had the ball, that means as a PG you
1. use up a good amount of the shot clock
2. drive to the basket
3. find the open man for a good shot
Not launch up a ****ing 3 like it's a regular season. I honestly think curry is retarded when it comes to managing the game
PWB15
10-09-2016, 11:35 AM
Considering you didn't even mention it in your original post, I will say the most overlooked things are that the Warriors unfairly lost Draymond Green due to a basketball reasons(extend the series)game 5 suspension. Then in game 5 they lose Bogut who was their best interior defender for the rest of the series. To make it worse, in game 6 they lose their best perimeter defender in Iguodala who hurt his back and was a shell of himself for the rest of the series. Then when you factor in Harrison Barnes going ice cold and Curry letting everyone down by throwing a behind the back pass out of bounds, getting shut down by Irving and then Love with the game on the line as well as letting Irving nail a three in his face.
How could you possibly blame coaching? Which adjustments should he have made? You can't bench Curry. Both SF's, Iggy and Barnes, were struggling, and every center he put in wasn't working whether it was Speights, Ezeli or Varajao.
Call a timeout when the team was up 87-83 and let curry know from this point on
find the open man
drive to the basket
find a good shot
and tell that idiot we are in control now and don't need the 3 ball
TommyGriffin
10-09-2016, 01:48 PM
Call a timeout when the team was up 87-83 and let curry know from this point on
find the open man
drive to the basket
find a good shot
and tell that idiot we are in control now and don't need the 3 ball
No one on GS could hit a shot. Usually in those situations Curry has to create for himself to get the offense going again but he was unable to do so because of his knee injury.
swagga
10-09-2016, 04:28 PM
imo their gimmick system has more to do with the collapse. Each time the warriors played a talented team team in the playoffs they struggled : with cavs in '15, cavs in '16 and okc in '16, which obviously shows that they are not the team they are touted to be.
This year it'll be no different, just a lot of losers in shock as how the 60+ wins all star warriors squad will not dominate the playoffs.
34-24 Footwork
10-09-2016, 04:36 PM
imo their gimmick system has more to do with the collapse. Each time the warriors played a talented team team in the playoffs they struggled : with cavs in '15, cavs in '16 and okc in '16, which obviously shows that they are not the team they are touted to be.
This year it'll be no different, just a lot of losers in shock as how the 60+ wins all star warriors squad will not dominate the playoffs.
Lmao. Some teams dont have the benefit of going up against the Hawks, Bucks, Nets, Bulls and etc.
No team in the eastern conference playoffs is dominating OKC either. Lmao. OKC probably sweeps every playoff team in the east with ease.
Spurs m8
10-09-2016, 04:46 PM
imo their gimmick system has more to do with the collapse. Each time the warriors played a talented team team in the playoffs they struggled : with cavs in '15, cavs in '16 and okc in '16, which obviously shows that they are not the team they are touted to be.
This year it'll be no different, just a lot of losers in shock as how the 60+ wins all star warriors squad will not dominate the playoffs.
This dude knows whats up
Jasper
10-10-2016, 10:02 AM
This dude knows whats up
poster preppin' for a fall out , but when they win , = I told you so
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
hold this L
10-10-2016, 11:12 AM
He's a good coach but he was awful in the finals. He put on Ezeli when the Warriors were up by 3 or 6 and the Cavs immediately made 6 points on the Warriors. Ezeli was hot garbage the entire series, including that game and Kerr's mentality was that the Cavs didn't hit 3s. Lebron got fouled for a 3 and hit a 3 on Ezeli as soon as he came in. He also tried to get Barnes in the beginning of the game to hit his shots so he can have some confidence when the Warriors were outplaying the Cavs. Barnes kept missing like the useless scrub that he is, and the lead never got big enough to make a huge difference. Had he not made specific plays to let that scrub shoot but allow others instead, I think the game itself would have been over by half.
He was also pretty terrible in the OKC series as well, it was pretty much Klay having his super game and Steph stepping up the last 3 games and pretty much winning them the games. Just a ton of poor decisions.
hold this L
10-10-2016, 11:13 AM
imo their gimmick system has more to do with the collapse. Each time the warriors played a talented team team in the playoffs they struggled : with cavs in '15, cavs in '16 and okc in '16, which obviously shows that they are not the team they are touted to be.
This year it'll be no different, just a lot of losers in shock as how the 60+ wins all star warriors squad will not dominate the playoffs.
Very astute observations. Warriors can't dominate the best teams in the NBA like they do vs mediocre to terrible teams. Wonderful analysis, you should work for ESPN :applause:
egokiller
10-10-2016, 11:18 AM
The Dog shit coaching Job of Steve Kerr in all 3 games especially game 7. Most people blame curry but kerr is the main reason they lost the series due to his inability to make adjustments. And the fact that curry was launching 3's with the game tied with 3 mins left in Game 7 lets you know he doesn't coach the game. Instead he watches the game like us as a fan which is why the warriors have a playground style of play.
Is there a chance of Kerr being fired if GS loses another Finals or doesn't reach the finals? I don't think Kerr is a good coach
What adjustments is Kerr supposed to make when his team has numerous injuries and are completely worn down shell of themselves at roughly 40% ability after taking a 3-1 lead in the finals ontop of a grueling 7 game showdown in the WCF against an almost fully healthy team that coasted to the finals? That's like saying Blatt is a bad coach for Cavs losing in 2015.:roll:
DukeDelonte13
10-10-2016, 11:32 AM
Lmao. Some teams dont have the benefit of going up against the Hawks, Bucks, Nets, Bulls and etc.
No team in the eastern conference playoffs is dominating OKC either. Lmao. OKC probably sweeps every playoff team in the east with ease.
Cavs would have annihilated OKC had they won the WCF... Cavs matchup better w/ OKC then GSW. What's Durant's record against Lebron again?
hold this L
10-10-2016, 11:34 AM
Cavs would have annihilated OKC had they won the WCF... Cavs matchup better w/ OKC then GSW. What's Durant's record against Lebron again?
I don't really see that happening. Cavs biggest strength vs the Warriors was rebounding, the one area where OKC is actually better than Cavs at. That would have went to 6 games at least.
RedBlackAttack
10-10-2016, 09:13 PM
Ty Lue gets zero credit for anything because LeBron James is on his team, but he deserves to be credited for out-coaching Kerr, imo, and really every coach he faced all playoffs.
1. The Cavs went from a middling defensive team in the middle of the season to better toward the end of the year and, in the playoffs, they were elite. That was about tightening the rotation, putting together the right gameplan, and getting guys to buy-in.
2. The Cavs completely changed the way they played offensively in the Finals as compared to the first three rounds. It's easy to forget that the Cavs were breaking records with their ridiculous shooting displays through the ECF. And, it looked for all the world like the NBA Finals were going to be about two of the greatest shooting teams of all-time.
However, Lue tried to run that kind of offense in the first two games, quickly realized that they weren't going to beat GS in a running, swing-the-ball kind of game. Instead, he went to an offense that was more about getting physical with the Warriors and going at them at both ends with standard isolation ball and basic P&R action. People bash teams for doing that, but there are a lot of advantages. It slows the game down, gives you more control, and allows your guys to get in position to crash the boards and get back on defense.
When you're whipping the ball around on drive-and-kicks and ball rotations, you may get more open looks, but you also have less control over who takes the open look and taking long jumpers allows teams to leak out in transition much easier.
It's just a riskier style of play.
Lue smartly discarded what had worked so well in the EC and devised a system of physically punishing the Warriors on both ends.
That's what sucks about the KD signing. It really felt like the Cavs had figured out how to beat the Warriors. Now, who knows. Back to square one.
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