Kawhi Leonard: Most overrated player in the league?

[Bosnian Sajo]

Some of yall be putting him in the same tier as Lebron, Steph, and KD...I just don't see it. He's a good player, don't get me wrong, but he is not a top 5 player and imo he is barely top 10 (number 8 or 9 on my list).

[swagga]

Some of yall be putting him in the same tier as Lebron, Steph, and KD...I just don't see it. He's a good player, don't get me wrong, but he is not a top 5 player and imo he is barely top 10 (number 8 or 9 on my list).

maybe you should actually watch a game once in a while tbh. He is the best player on a top 2 western conference team, a 2 time DPOY , a FMVP winner against lebron nonetheless (where he held his own), a 40% 3p shooter, a deadly midrange scorer, all-star and deadly iso scorer.

If that's not top 5 I am really curious what is tbh.

[Lord P]

Slightly overrated IMO
Definitely top 10, but you can't see him carrying a team the way lillard, lbj, pg and other stars do. The series against OKC displayed this

[Kblaze8855]

If you think hes top 8-9 instead of top 3-5 hes probably not that overrated. Im sure there is someone you think is top 30 a lot of people have top 12-15.

[CTbasketball92]

Draymond Green is the most overrated player in the league. KAWHI is easily a top 10 player in the game, and I'd say he's between 5-8. He's the game's best defender hands down. He can very efficiently average a good 22 a game, -'d he balled out in the playoffs. I can't believe someone said "he can't carry a team like Dame lilard, and we saw that against OKC." Dame shot sub-40% in both rounds of the playoffs and would've been knocked out first round if CP3 didn't get injured. Also, KAWHI locked up Westbrook and Kd for long stretches of basketball during his playoff matchup. KAWHI is the real deal.

[CTbasketball92]

Slightly overrated IMO
Definitely top 10, but you can't see him carrying a team the way lillard, lbj, pg and other stars do. The series against OKC displayed this

Dame literally shot like 38% from the field this playoffs. He had maybe 3 conventionally good games throughout the whole time.

[Father Prime]

Kawhi is getting there with the most overrated player but I say it's John Wall right now.

[Kool Boy]

I'll wait for this season to judge

[Dro]

Kawhi is not overrated at all. He's added a lot to his offensive game. The guy is coming down and pulling up for 3's...on the SPURS. How many players would Pop let have free reign like that. Ginobli?

[scm5]

I don't understand how Kawhi is somehow underrated. He's pretty much the perfect heir to Duncan and right there with him in terms of how well he fits into Pop's system.

Can you imagine if Timmy and Kawhi played together in their primes? With just those two and role players around them, they would most likely be as good as the super stacked Warriors.

[tpols]

Dame literally shot like 38% from the field this playoffs. He had maybe 3 conventionally good games throughout the whole time.

he didnt shoot well, but attracted a boat load of attention .. gravity where he was being doubled on picks 30 feet out.. which made even mason plumlee look like a beast for a while.

[Bosnian Sajo]

maybe you should actually watch a game once in a while tbh. He is the best player on a top 2 western conference team, a 2 time DPOY , a FMVP winner against lebron nonetheless (where he held his own), a 40% 3p shooter, a deadly midrange scorer, all-star and deadly iso scorer.

If that's not top 5 I am really curious what is tbh.

For me, top 5 in no order:

Lebron
Steph
Durant
Westbrook
Davis

[TommyGriffin]

If you think hes top 8-9 instead of top 3-5 hes probably not that overrated. Im sure there is someone you think is top 30 a lot of people have top 12-15.
There are not 10 players in the league better than Leonard.

[Bankaii]

With Timmy gone this is his first year s the clear leader of the Spurs.
If the Spurs still win 60+ games and make the WCF he's 4th after the Big 3.
If the Spurs are really underwhelming (50ish win team and 1st/2nd round exit) he'll be middle of the pack of the top 10 behind CP3, Paul George, Westbrook...

[iamgine]

Some of yall be putting him in the same tier as Lebron, Steph, and KD...I just don't see it. He's a good player, don't get me wrong, but he is not a top 5 player and imo he is barely top 10 (number 8 or 9 on my list).
After Bron, Steph and KD, Kawhi can arguably fit that 4th spot, along with some other players.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Watch. Fcking. Games.

:mad:

[Proctor]

For me, top 5 in no order:

Lebron
Steph
Durant
Westbrook
Davis
A case could be made that Leonard isn't top 5 (not a case I like), but Davis has no case over Leonard whatsoever. :wtf:

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Watch. Fcking. Games.

:mad:

tilted

[tamaraw08]

For me, top 5 in no order:

Lebron
Steph
Durant
Westbrook
Davis

How much better is KD offensively over Leonard?
I am asking bec Kawhi is so much better defending esp the likes of Lebron etc.
btw, Durant had a total meltdown vs GSW, shooting like 28% for the playoffs.
Yes, Kawhi also struggled in his final games but atleast he he proven to win it all before.

[Milbuck]

How much better is KD offensively over Leonard?
I am asking bec Kawhi is so much better defending esp the likes of Lebron etc.
btw, Durant had a total meltdown vs GSW, shooting like 28% for the playoffs.
Yes, Kawhi also struggled in his final games but atleast he he proven to win it all before.
Durant is on another level offensively. It's not close.

And Kawhi hasn't proven anything as the clear-cut guy on his team in the playoffs. His championship run he was just another key cog in the Spurs machine who happened to get hot in the finals. Even Danny Green at one point was looking like he had FMVP potential the year before. Kawhi took over as the top player in their title defense year...choked HARD in the first round, then this year disappeared in 4th quarters to blow the series against OKC. His resume as a first option is nothing special at all.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Durant is on another level offensively. It's not close.

And Kawhi hasn't proven anything as the clear-cut guy on his team in the playoffs. His championship run he was just another key cog in the Spurs machine who happened to get hot in the finals. Even Danny Green at one point was looking like he had FMVP potential the year before. Kawhi took over as the top player in their title defense year...choked HARD in the first round, then this year disappeared in 4th quarters to blow the series against OKC. His resume as a first option is nothing special at all.

Kawhi was easily outplaying and locking down Westbrook/Durant in that series through the first few games until OKC's role-players just started going ape shit. Both of them dudes were shooting like 20% from 3-point land.

:oldlol:

Giannis will be lucky to sniff the 2nd round, never-mind make the finals and win FMVP or finish in the top 2 of MVP voting during literally the GOAT MVP season of any player (unanimous). He's already older than Leonard RIGHT NOW and will not get any better. Couldn't even make the Olympics.

:roll:

[hold this L]

With Timmy gone this is his first year s the clear leader of the Spurs.
If the Spurs still win 60+ games and make the WCF he's 4th after the Big 3.
If the Spurs are really underwhelming (50ish win team and 1st/2nd round exit) he'll be middle of the pack of the top 10 behind CP3, Paul George, Westbrook...
I think this is probably the best assessment of Kawhi. The issues in the OKC series is he couldn't take games over offensively at all. The best of the best all can other than Green. But both Green and him are elite defenders that offer a good amount in several aspects.

Curious to see how he does this season, but as of now he's just a bit overrated while still being top 5 (being the 5th best).

[Milbuck]

Kawhi was easily outplaying and locking down Westbrook/Durant in that series through the first few games until OKC's role-players just started going ape shit. Both of them dudes were shooting like 20% from 3-point land.

Giannis will be lucky to sniff the 2nd round, never-mind make the finals and win FMVP or finish in the top 2 of MVP voting during literally the GOAT MVP season of any player (unanimous). He's already older than Leonard RIGHT NOW and will not get any better. Couldn't even make the Olympics.

Someone's upset :oldlol:

Kawhi's a choke artist dude. It's ok. Not everyone can be a centerpiece a la Duncan. Kawhi's a nice little 2nd option.

[Proctor]

Kawhi was easily outplaying and locking down Westbrook/Durant in that series through the first few games until OKC's role-players just started going ape shit. Both of them dudes were shooting like 20% from 3-point land.

:oldlol:

Giannis will be lucky to sniff the 2nd round, never-mind make the finals and win FMVP or finish in the top 2 of MVP voting during literally the GOAT MVP season of any player (unanimous). He's already older than Leonard RIGHT NOW and will not get any better. Couldn't even make the Olympics.

:roll:
It's ok, Milbuck fantasizes about Giannis becoming half the player Kawhi is. :lol He has been on an anti-Kawhi crusade for a while now.

Giannis is a beast with a broken shot and Kawhi is the complete package.:cheers:

[smoovegittar]

He's only over-rated by some of his fans. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

[Smoke117]

He was before the playoffs started...this title now belongs to Kyrie Irving.

[ArbitraryWater]

KD hasnt done anything the last two years to be above him

for that, he's 3, for now, lets see what KD has ready

[Spurs5Rings2014]

KD hasnt done anything the last two years to be above him

for that, he's 3, for now, lets see what KD has ready

:cheers:

[HenryGarfunkle]

KD hasnt done anything the last two years to be above him

for that, he's 3, for now, lets see what KD has ready
Where's the white text?

[HenryGarfunkle]

Durant vs Kawhi H2H stats (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2016-nba-western-conference-semifinals-thunder-vs-spurs.html) in 2016 playoffs

http://i64.tinypic.com/de1ro5.png
Who won the series?

Stats-wise it's clearly Durant, but who won the series?

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Durant vs Kawhi H2H stats (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2016-nba-western-conference-semifinals-thunder-vs-spurs.html) in 2016 playoffs

http://i64.tinypic.com/de1ro5.png

24 year old pre-prime Leonard with comparable stats to peak Durant.

:eek:

[HenryGarfunkle]

24 year old pre-prime Leonard with comparable stats to peak Durant.

:eek:
Durant at 23 averaged 31 points on 55% in the finals. Try again.

Kawhi sucks.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Who won the series?

Stats-wise it's clearly Durant, but who won the series?

Over 5 more minutes played (Pop :facepalm), way more freethrows (FT35 :oldlol:), almost same assists with less than half the turnovers, way more impactful rebounder with triple the offensive rebounds (statpadding defensive boards :lol), over 3 times as many steals....

:confusedshrug:

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Durant at 23 averaged 31 points on 55% in the finals. Try again.

Kawhi sucks.

Who won the series? Who was guarding him? How did Leonard do in the finals at an even younger age and who did he face as well? Who won the series there?

[warriorfan]

Henry Jizzguzzle is about to have another meltdown :oldlol:

[Dray n Klay]

Durant >>> Kahwi


It isn't even close.

[Dray n Klay]

The greatest highlight of Kawhi's career is getting shat on by LeBron in the 2014 Finals :oldlol:

[HenryGarfunkle]

Who won the series? Who was guarding him? How did Leonard do in the finals at an even younger age and who did he face as well? Who won the series there?
2014 Finals

LeBron - 28/8/4 on 57%

Kawhi - 18/6/2

:oldlol:

Yeah man. Same EXACT situation.

[HenryGarfunkle]

The greatest highlight of Kawhi's career is getting shat on by LeBron in the 2014 Finals :oldlol:
Out-played in every statistical aspect just like in 2015 (and 2016) when LeBron humiliated Curry. :lol

[Dray n Klay]

2014 Finals

LeBron - 28/8/4 on 57%

Kawhi - 18/6/2

:oldlol:

Yeah man. Same EXACT situation.



Exactly, the greatest highlight of Kawhi's career is being LeBrons toilet for a series :oldlol:





Durant at least had a GOAT season in 2014 with MVP

[soots]

Hes a bit of a funny one.

Best defender in the league easily that can defend all the best players in the league.

Offense, he cant create his own shot, a result of the spurs development system. But as a spot shooter hes all-star level.

Id say hes anywhere from 4-8.

If he could facilitate and create then hes easily number 1. His weaknesses can easily be masked with a good system or a quality PG though. So I dont have any beef with people rating him top 5.

But then again, people dont care about defense because it at most produces an extra spg or so and doesnt look great on the score sheet.

[LostCause]

I have Kawhi anywhere from 5-12. Gets harder and harder justifying him being outside your Top 10 every year, though

[Bosnian Sajo]

Kawhi was easily outplaying and locking down Westbrook/Durant in that series through the first few games until OKC's role-players just started going ape shit. Both of them dudes were shooting like 20% from 3-point land.

:oldlol:

Giannis will be lucky to sniff the 2nd round, never-mind make the finals and win FMVP or finish in the top 2 of MVP voting during literally the GOAT MVP season of any player (unanimous). He's already older than Leonard RIGHT NOW and will not get any better. Couldn't even make the Olympics.

:roll:

Why are Spurs fans so petty? We aren't talking about Giannis, nobody mentioned him other than you.

[Bosnian Sajo]

He's only over-rated by some of his fans. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

You'd have to be crazy not to take him, I'm not saying he's a bad player at all, just overrated when people put him up with the best of the best.

Adding on to that top 5 list, I'd also take players like George, Lillard, KAT, CP3, Tyreke Evans and Klay over him.














:D

[Tycriss]

Overrated really ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z_hYdas7KU

[Nick Young]

Top 3 player in the league.
His valuable ability to shut down Lebron 1v1 cannot be overstated.

[LilEddyCurry]

LeBron, Curry ,Durant, Paul Westbrook, Harden Paul George are players that I would take ahead of Kawhi. This leaves him out of the top 7 players in the league.

Players such as Lillard, Kyrie and Anthony Davis are debatable. I would put Kawhi in the 8-10th best player range in the league.

[Bosnian Sajo]

LeBron, Curry ,Durant, Paul Westbrook, Harden Paul George are players that I would take ahead of Kawhi. This leaves him out of the top 7 players in the league.

Players such as Lillard, Kyrie and Anthony Davis are debatable. I would put Kawhi in the 8-10th best player range in the league.

TOTALLY forgot about Harden :oldlol:

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Offense, he cant create his own shot, a result of the spurs development system. But as a spot shooter hes all-star level.

Can't create his own shot? Spot up shooter? Have you even seen him play?

:oldlol:

[Paul George 24]

For me, top 5 in no order:

Lebron
Steph
Durant
Westbrook
Davis
LOL DAVIS :roll: :roll: :roll:
HE CAN'T EVEN LEAD HIS TEAM TO PLAYOFFS WITHOUT EVANS

[Paul George 24]

LeBron, Curry ,Durant, Paul Westbrook, Harden Paul George are players that I would take ahead of Kawhi. This leaves him out of the top 7 players in the league.

Players such as Lillard, Kyrie and Anthony Davis are debatable. I would put Kawhi in the 8-10th best player range in the league.
HARDEN ????????????? ARE U KDDING ME ????:lol

[Paul George 24]

Some of yall be putting him in the same tier as Lebron, Steph, and KD...I just don't see it. He's a good player, don't get me wrong, but he is not a top 5 player and imo he is barely top 10 (number 8 or 9 on my list).
LAKERS FANS IS SALTY,BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO FUTURE ................... NOW WITHOUT KOBE :lol

[LilEddyCurry]

HARDEN ????????????? ARE U KDDING ME ????:lol
He just averaged 29/7.5/6.1 while leading a dysfunctional team to the playoffs last season. The year before he led that same team to the second seed in a strong Western Conference. Is it really that shocking to rank him around the 6th to 7th best player in the league?

[Bosnian Sajo]

LAKERS FANS IS SALTY,BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO FUTURE ................... NOW WITHOUT KOBE :lol


Nah, we good :lol


Fighting for that 8th spot, count on it.

[Paul George 24]

He just averaged 29/7.5/6.1 while leading a dysfunctional team to the playoffs last season. The year before he led that same team to the second seed in a strong Western Conference. Is it really that shocking to rank him around the 6th to 7th best player in the league?
DUN FORGOT HE IS LIABILTY ON DEFENCE END
ROCKET ARE GONNA BE THE WORST DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE LEAUGE THIS COMING SEASON WITH THEIR NEW COACH

[Paul George 24]

Nah, we good :lol


Fighting for that 8th spot, count on it.
LOL STOP DREAMING............U GUY ARE FIGHTING FOR LOTTERY PICK :banana: :rockon: :applause: FACE IT

[sunnyboy91]

I cant wait to see Kawhi Leonard win 60 games and take home his first MVP this season. Would be amazing if he gets DPOY too.

[Paul George 24]

I cant wait to see Kawhi Leonard win 60 games and take home his first MVP this season. Would be amazing if he gets DPOY too.
AND FMVP

[bobopenguin]

lol, why dont u ask, which team doeant want kawhi? 0, every team want him.

[blacknapalm]

LeBron, Curry ,Durant, Paul Westbrook, Harden Paul George are players that I would take ahead of Kawhi. This leaves him out of the top 7 players in the league.

Players such as Lillard, Kyrie and Anthony Davis are debatable. I would put Kawhi in the 8-10th best player range in the league.

this is why you're an idiot and not a GM. cp3 now? westbrook or harden? george? ok, george is certainly in the top 7-10 range and i'm a george fan, but consistency is still an issue. kawhi played far better defense post all-star break too. hell, he put better stats in total for stat geeks.

so no, he's top 5.

can't create his own shots? did people not watch SA at all last season? i really don't get it. maybe cuz he's not super flashy, idk. nba fans are weird

[sunnyboy91]

this is why you're an idiot and not a GM. cp3 now? westbrook or harden? george? ok, george is certainly in the top 7-10 range and i'm a george fan, but consistency is still an issue. kawhi played far better defense post all-star break too. hell, he put better stats in total for stat geeks.

so no, he's top 5.

can't create his own shots? did people not watch SA at all last season? i really don't get it. maybe cuz he's not super flashy, idk. nba fans are weird
They just want to give 'the system' all the credit for Kawhi, and they never really watched SAS.

[Sakkreth]

Something like this:

1.Lebron


2.Durant
3.Curry

4.Westbrook

5.Leonard
6.Davis

7.Paul
8.Harden

9.Griffin

10. Paul George