Do you need Alien DNA to get a PER of 31.70+

[Big164]

in an 82 game season?
https://s11.postimg.org/9u66ptjs3/per.png

Only Chamberlain and Jordan have done it, can non-Gods..human players achieve this?

[TheWinningFam]

Lol @ arbitrarily cutting it off at a .70 to fit an agenda.

[Ben Simmons]

Means nothing if you aint win the chip that year

[Milbuck]

In the playoffs:

http://picasion.com/resize82/bd98ec4ffa10dafd086b70c5f47a45de.png

[J Shuttlesworth]

In the playoffs:

http://picasion.com/resize82/bd98ec4ffa10dafd086b70c5f47a45de.png
But where:'s my alien Wilt at? :biggums:

[Dray n Klay]

Did you know that PER is adjusted so that the league average for that season is always set at 15.0?


So Wilt getting a 31.70 PER means he's only twice as good as the average unathletic white stiff in the 60's




LeBron getting a 31.67 PER means he's twice as good as a modern professional elite basketball player.




Now tell me, would you rather be twice as good as this guy:


http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg




Or these guys


https://thebasketballsociety.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/2016-nba-all-star-starters.jpg


:confusedshrug:

[Big164]

In the playoffs:

http://picasion.com/resize82/bd98ec4ffa10dafd086b70c5f47a45de.png
PER was designed for an 82 game season. Playoffs throws the entire equation out of wack because not everyone is playing the same amount of games, and some playoff series have different pace than others. Chris Paul, Barkley and Westbrook over Kareem is all the proof you need playoff-per is useless.

But this list
https://s11.postimg.org/9u66ptjs3/per.png
^^Those are the 10 greatest statistical seasons of all time. Its one of the few times where the math agrees with the general consensus

[Big164]

Now tell me, would you rather be twice as good as this guy:


http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg




Or these guys


https://thebasketballsociety.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/2016-nba-all-star-starters.jpg


:confusedshrug:
LOL you dont have a single 7 footer in your little all star team. Chamberlain would grab all those little midgets by the Pu*$Y!

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-21-2015/bWYe9P.gif

http://rs304.pbsrc.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/VS/Rivalry/02%20Stilt%20VS%20Alcindor/2-1.gif~c200

[TheWinningFam]

How's his playoff per and stats looking OP.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Did you know that PER is adjusted so that the league average for that season is always set at 15.0?


So Wilt getting a 31.70 PER means he's only twice as good as the average unathletic white stiff in the 60's




LeBron getting a 31.67 PER means he's twice as good as a modern professional elite basketball player.




Now tell me, would you rather be twice as good as this guy:


http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg




Or these guys


https://thebasketballsociety.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/2016-nba-all-star-starters.jpg


:confusedshrug:

DnK spitting truth bombs :applause:

[fourkicks44]

DnK spitting truth bombs :applause:

OP is right though. There are no 7 footers in that picture. Durant and Bron are the biggest.

[Smoke117]

The problem with per is it doesn't account for defense...09 Wade > 16 Curry

[SamuraiSWISH]

The problem with per is it doesn't account for defense...09 Wade > 16 Curry
Easily. Anyone who argued otherwise is ... :facepalm

[Sarcastic]

The problem with per is it doesn't account for defense...09 Wade > 16 Curry

No. Curry's 3 point shooting was one of the most impressive feats in NBA history.

[Smoke117]

No. Curry's 3 point shooting was one of the most impressive feats in NBA history.

That's all well and good...nice feat...congrats Curry...Wade was still an overall better player. A knicks fan should have a healthy respect for 09 Wade...considering how much he brutalized your team that season.

[Dray n Klay]

imo you need alien DNA for this

https://i.redd.it/fk7weaq0k1bx.jpg

[Sarcastic]

That's all well and good...nice feat...congrats Curry...Wade was still an overall better player. A knicks fan should have a healthy respect for 09 Wade...considering how much he brutalized your team that season.

Curry brutalized the entire league to the tune of 73 wins. Not only was his PER ridiculous, but all his other advanced stats were off the charts.

16 Curry is competing with Jordan, Wilt, and Lebron for top seasons. Wade is an entire tier below.

[fourkicks44]

imo you need alien DNA for this

https://i.redd.it/fk7weaq0k1bx.jpg

Here are some other names to add to that exclusive list with Lebron:

David Blatt, Jim Boylan, Bret Brielmaier, Jared Cunningham, Matthew Dellavedova, Larry Drew, Channing Frye, Phil Handy, Joe Harris, Kyrie Irving, Richard Jefferson, Dahntay Jones, James Jones, Sasha Kaun, Kevin Love, Tyronn Lue, Jordan McRae, Derek Millender, Timofey Mozgov, James Posey, Iman Shumpert, J.R. Smith, Stephen Spiro, Tristan Thompson, Anderson Varejao, Delonte West, Mo Williams.

[warriorfan]

Golden State's three best defenders: Draymond Green(team's best defender), Andrew Bogut(team's only rim protector), and Andre Iguodala(prior year's FMVP) were all out of commission due to injury or suspension under dubious circumstances. The team that LeBron beat in the Finals does not accurately represent the record setting team that won 73 games during the regular season.

[Dray n Klay]

Cleveland dealt with more injuries than the Warriors in the Finals



Kevin Love concussion in Game 3


Kyrie foot injury Game 6



LeBron broken wrist in Game 7







Therefore Cavs 3 best players dealt with major injuries, meanwhile only 1 of the Warriors 3 best players had any sort of injury.

[fourkicks44]

Golden State's three best defenders: Draymond Green(team's best defender), Andrew Bogut(team's only rim protector), and Andre Iguodala(prior year's FMVP) were all out of commission due to injury or suspension under dubious circumstances. The team that LeBron beat in the Finals does not accurately represent the record setting team that won 73 games during the regular season.


Don't forget Steph Curry's heart problem.

[aj1987]

Curry brutalized the entire league to the tune of 73 wins. Not only was his PER ridiculous, but all his other advanced stats were off the charts.

16 Curry is competing with Jordan, Wilt, and Lebron for top seasons. Wade is an entire tier below.
How was his 3pt shooting in the Finals? I would take Wade's ability to get to the rim, post game, midrange, passing, and most importantly his massively higher IQ over Curry's 3pt shot jacking. Then there's the other side of the floor: Defense.

[Sarcastic]

How was his 3pt shooting in the Finals? I would take Wade's ability to get to the rim, post game, midrange, passing, and most importantly his massively higher IQ over Curry's 3pt shot jacking. Then there's the other side of the floor: Defense.


Dck We're not talking about the Finals. The thread is about regular season.

In any case, at least 16 Curry made the Finals. 09 Wade didn't.

16 Curry had a >12 OBPM. Next highest all time is not even 10. Curry's 16 season is better than anything Wade has ever done.

[aj1987]

Dck We're not talking about the Finals. The thread is about regular season.
Sure. 30/5/8/2/1 on 57% TS while being 3rd in DPOY (as a SG) >> Curry's '16 season. Literally the only thing '16 Curry has over '09 Wade is shooting.


In any case, at least 16 Curry made the Finals. 09 Wade didn't.
COY, Runner up DPOY, 3 All-Stars, 1 All-NBA 2nd, 1 All-NBA 3rd, 1 All-Def First, reigning FMVP off the bench, etc.. With a team like that, Wade would've swept through the PO's.


16 Curry had a >12 OBPM. Next highest all time is not even 10. Curry's 16 season is better than anything Wade has ever done.
If you think losing in the Finals while having a 3-1 lead against a 57 win team, while you're on a 73 win team is better than anything Wade has ever done, then I think we're done here.

Curry is as one dimensional as they come. Replace Curry with '12 Wade and the Warriors beat the Cavs in 5 or 6.

[SouBeachTalents]

Dck We're not talking about the Finals. The thread is about regular season.

In any case, at least 16 Curry made the Finals. 09 Wade didn't.

16 Curry had a >12 OBPM. Next highest all time is not even 10. Curry's 16 season is better than anything Wade has ever done.

I have no problem saying Curry's season was better but lmao at you using making the Finals as an argument, especially when you factor in Curry missed half the western playoffs. You swap rosters I don't know if Curry even makes the playoffs on the '09 Heat

[Smoke117]

I have no problem saying Curry's season was better but lmao at you using making the Finals as an argument, especially when you factor in Curry missed half the western playoffs. You swap rosters I don't know if Curry even makes the playoffs on the '09 Heat

They Absolutely DO NOT. Curry's not that much better that he's going to make that much of a difference offensively to offset the huge hit the team takes losing Wade's defense. It would also be harder to score for the simple fact that the heat roster is complete garbage...especially compared to the Warriors lineup. It's a lot easier to game plan for a player when you know everyone else is stiffs. Curry also doesn't have the ability to break down any defense with his dribble penetration like Wade does...it's easier to get the ball out of a shooters hands.

[LAZERUSS]

But where:'s my alien Wilt at? :biggums:

How about this...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2014/08/21/how-putting-gary-payton-on-michael-jordan-sooner-could-have-changed-the-1996-nba-finals/

[QUOTE]Chicago won the the first three games of the series and were on the brink of a sweep, before George Karl finally made a key adjustment, allowing Payton,

[LAZERUSS]

Did you know that PER is adjusted so that the league average for that season is always set at 15.0?


So Wilt getting a 31.70 PER means he's only twice as good as the average unathletic white stiff in the 60's




LeBron getting a 31.67 PER means he's twice as good as a modern professional elite basketball player.




Now tell me, would you rather be twice as good as this guy:


http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg




Or these guys


https://thebasketballsociety.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/2016-nba-all-star-starters.jpg


:confusedshrug:


Of course, the Court Jester couldn't score a point when he was defended by this athletic marvel...

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

And how about this 6-8 athletic marvel running away with a rpg title in the LeChoke era...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7TnbhJr8iY

He also hung a 26-12 season just a couple of years ago, as well.


And how about this two-time MVP IN the LeShrinkage era...

http://www.unsportsmanlike.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/steve-nash-carries-a-man-purse.jpg

How about LeTiny going one-on-one against a bench-player in the Finals...

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/06/lebron-james-had-the-worst-awesome-performance-in-nba-finals-history

[QUOTE]Despite LeBron

[aj1987]

The stan of the roided up mental midget choker once again obsessing over another man's *****. Just sad at this point.

[LAZERUSS]

The stan of the roided up mental midget choker once again obsessing over another man's *****. Just sad at this point.

This coming from a clown who backs the biggest cry-baby and wimp in the history of the NBA. The same Court Jester who QUIT on his teams MULTIPLE times. The same crybaby who had Draymond suspended for a tap to an area in which he could not have done ANY damage. The same wimp who was carried off the court with MENSTRUAL CRAMPS in another Finals.

The same LeChoke who had his ass saved TWICE in the Finals by TEAMMATES. In game seven of the 2016 Finals, LePuke went 0-4 in the last four minutes, and was saved by a defensive stop by Kevin Love of all people, and the clinching 3pt shot by Kyrie. In a game in which LeShrink went 9-24. My god...he was one Kyrie shot away from watching Drayond hoisting the FMVP trophy (and who was clearly the best player on the floor in that game seven.)

The same LeCoward who puked all over the floor in the decisive game six of the 2013 Finals. The same LeFlop that shot 11-26 from the floor in that game, which was bad enough...but in the last four minutes of regulation, went 0-4 with three turnovers. And was trembling like a coward facing a firing squad in the last few seconds...reluctantly taking a shot that missed so badly that an out-of-position Chris "Can't Do" Bosh was able to tap it out to Ray Allen who essentially saved the series with a 3pter. And even in OT, the shaking LeChoke could only go 1-3.

The same LeWimp who was chastised in front of millions by Wade for basically hiding in the 2011 Finals. The same LeTiny who couldn't make a shot when defended by the 5-10 JJ Barea,

The same LeFoldo who was completely shut down when defended one-on-one by a bench player (holding LeSpec to 25% shooting when taking him on), and in fact was so dominated by a role player that he basically handed him the FMVP.

The same LeClown who led his team to a sweeping loss in the '07 Finals with a .356 FG%, which included a clinching one point loss performance of 10-30 from the floor, and 2-6 from the line.

And speaking of LeFlop...just go to youtube and search Lebron and flopping. Literally hours of footage of the Jester flopping like a fish out of water. Just a pathetic coward.

[Dray n Klay]

Wilt Chamberlain's Choking Resume



1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1963 Regular season
Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

1960 Division Finals
After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 35-65 (53.8%)

[Dray n Klay]

Laz, you're trying to pick out individual games and single plays to show that LeBron is a choker, meanwhile Wilt's ENTIRE Career is one big choke :roll: :banana:

[Sarcastic]

I have no problem saying Curry's season was better but lmao at you using making the Finals as an argument, especially when you factor in Curry missed half the western playoffs. You swap rosters I don't know if Curry even makes the playoffs on the '09 Heat


I wasn't trying to. It was the other poster that asked about what he did in the Finals.

2016 Curry > 2009 Wade, and it's not even close really.

[SpaceJam]

imo you need alien DNA for this

https://i.redd.it/fk7weaq0k1bx.jpg

LMAO thought that was real for a second, but then I saw the pixels

I was gonna say if ESPN actually showed that, biggest troll image :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

I wasn't trying to. It was the other poster that asked about what he did in the Finals.

2016 Curry > 2009 Wade, and it's not even close really.

Well I disagree. Individually, I don't think Curry's season last year was THAT much better than the likes of '03 McGrady, '06 Kobe, '09 Wade, '14 Durant etc.

[Nastradamus]

Lol @ arbitrarily cutting it off at a .70 to fit an agenda.

This times a million

[swagga]

playoff aliens .. they're real :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Laz, you're trying to pick out individual games and single plays to show that LeBron is a choker, meanwhile Wilt's ENTIRE Career is one big choke :roll: :banana:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I have said it before, but LeChoke was TWO separate shots away, by two different teammates, from being "1-7." Meanwhile, Wilt was TWO separate turnovers away, by two different teammates, from being "4-6."

Furthermore...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain

[QUOTE]In the post-season, the Lakers swept the Chicago Bulls,[93] then went on to face the Milwaukee Bucks of young superstar center and regular-season MVP Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (formerly Lew Alcindor). The matchup between Chamberlain and Abdul-Jabbar was hailed by LIFE magazine as the greatest matchup in all of sports. Chamberlain would help lead the Lakers past Abdul-Jabbar and the Bucks in six games.[93] Particularly, Chamberlain was lauded for his performance in Game 6, which the Lakers won 104

[aj1987]

:roll: :roll:

The stan of the roided mental midget choker still melting. Calm down, Lozerus. No matter how much you cherry pick of delude yourself, you can't change FACTS.

[Dray n Klay]

3" WiltCHOKE getting exposed :roll: :banana:

[LAZERUSS]

:roll: :roll:

The stan of the roided mental midget choker still melting. Calm down, Lozerus. No matter how much you cherry pick of delude yourself, you can't change FACTS.

FACTS:

LePuke in his '16 Finals. 29.7 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 8.9 apg, 2.3 bpg, and on a .562 TS% (in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot a .542 TS%.)

Was a bystander padding his stats at the end of losses until he cried to the NBA to suspend Draymond before game five. The same Green who was, BY FAR, the best player on the court in game seven. Not even close. And then, the Warriors played games six and seven with an injured "LeChoke Stopper" Andre Iguadala, and without their rim protector, Andrew Bogut.

And in game seven, LeFlop went 9-24 from the field, and then in the last four minutes, he couldn't hit a shot to save his life, going 0-4. Of course, it was a TEAMMATE who hit the clinching shot, as well as a TEAMMATE who had the biggest stop of the game. So, LeShrink was ONE SHOT AWAY from a loss. LePuke shot an eFG% of .396, in a game in which the two teams combined to shoot .458. And LeClank's TS% was .475, in a game in which the two teams combined to shoot a TS% of .501.

BTW, who was the best player on the floor in that game seven? None other than Draymond Green, who led both teams in scoring with 32 points; led both teams in rebounds with 15; was right behind LeFlop in assists with 9; shot a game high .733 from the floor; had a game high .933 eFG%; and had a game high TS% of .955.


Let's compare that with Wilt's '65 FINALS, shall we?

30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, 3.3 apg, 7.0 bpg, .555 FG% in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot .413, and a .575 TS% in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot .465. His TRB% was 25.1...(221 rebounds out of the 882 avaiable.) So, put a '65 Chamberlain into the '16 Finals, and he would have averaged 21.0 rpg. Oh, and Wilt led BOTH teams in MPG, PPG, RPG, BPG, TRB%, FG%, and TS%. And most of those by HUGE margins.

Here was Wilt, carrying a 40-40 team to a game seven, one point loss, against a 62-18 Celtics team at the peak of their dynasty, and with a peak defensive Russell.

In that game seven, Chamberlain scored Philly's last eight points, including 2-2 from the line with 36 secs remaining, and a dunk over Russell with five secs left. Then, the "clutch" Russell hit a guidewire with his inbounds pass, giving the ball back to the Sixers and under their hoop. Alas, Hal Greer's inbounds pass was intercepted by Hondo, and that was the game.

For the game, Chamberlain scored 30 points on an .800 FG%, and with a .724 TS%...with 32 rebounds. How about his teammates in that one point loss? A collective 28-75 from the floor, for a combined .373 FG%.

So, while LeTiny had a teammate hit the series winning shot, Chamberlain had a teammate commit the series losing turnover.

Now, before a "basher" claims that Wilt's '65 series was NOT in the Finals...the same Celtic team that eked out a one point game seven win over Wilt's Sixers...went on to annihilate the Lakers in the Finals, 4-1, which included series wins of 142-110; 126-105; and the clinching margin of 129-96.

So, the next time someone claims that Wilt played in six Finals...the REALITY was, the Finals in the decade of the 60's involved the Boston Celtics, and Chamberlain's teams. Whether they came in the Finals, or the EDF's.

[Big164]

Laz, you're trying to pick out individual games and single plays to show that LeBron is a choker, meanwhile Wilt's ENTIRE Career is one big choke :roll: :banana:
hahahahaha
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

hahahahaha
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

While Chamberlain was outplaying, or downright destroying HOFers like Unseld, Reed, Hayes, Lanier, Cowens, Gilmore, McAdoo, Thurmond, Russell, and Kareem...

LeShrinkage couldn't score a point against the 5-10 Barea; and was being outplayed by the likes of Jason Terry, Kawahi Leonard, and Andre Iguodala.

[aj1987]

FACTS:
These are.

'13 - Miami won 78.8% of their games against EC teams and 83.3% against WC teams.

LeBron against EC teams - 26/8/7 on 56/37/76
LeBron against WC teams - 28/8/7 on 57/45/74

Pace - The Warriors played at a pace of 115 in '64. The Celtics were at 125. The '15 Cavs were playing at a pace of 92. The pace in the Finals was 91. Also, Ilt Chokerlain had a TS% of 50% in the Finals. ~3% higher than LeBron. I would also expect his efficiency to go down, the more his volume increases.

'14 - Yeah, they probably wouldn't have made the Finals, but you can't just displace teams like that, you utter retard. The WC has the vast majority of All-NBA and All-Def players. You can be sure AF, that LeBron would've had a better team, if he was in the WC.

'15 - The 52 win Cavs took the 67 win Warriors to 6 games and were up 2-1. They were extremely close to being up 3-0, if Kyrie wasn't injured. The Warriors won game 1 in OT. This was in a series, in which the Cavs were missing their 2nd and 3rd best players. IIRC, Shump was playing with a torn groin and a shoulder injury. Iggy won FMVP for holding LeBron to 36/13/9 on 40%. LeBron damn near won the FMVP and the Cavs didn't even win the Finals.

'16 - Cavs best the best team ever. That's a fact. Iggy "held" LeBron to 41/16/7/3/3 on 61% TS in G5. LeBron also led BOTH teams in EVERY major statistical category.

'11 - The '11 Heat do not make the Finals in the WC? Are you on crack?

End of the day, LeBron has more rings and FMVP's than Ilt. 27/10/7/2/1 on 57% TS in the Finals. Ilt? 18 PPG. Lets not compare Chokerlain ever again to LeBron.

BTW, Wade passed up Ilt Chokerlain in total PO points in FEWER games played. As I said, Wilt should be compared to players ~15-20 like Wade, Dirk, etc..

Laz, you're way out of your depth here. You're basing your arguments on boxscores, since you've never actually seen Ilt play. Even those boxscores don't support your arguments. I'm pretty sure that you've never actually seen game of basketball as well. Kinda hard to evaluate players, when you don't even watch the games.

Again, the Heat had a significantly better record against WC teams than the EC teams. It's a FACT. As a matter of fact, LeBron always performs better against WC teams than EC teams, statistically. Usually has a better record against them as well.


Heat winning "55" is not "reality". That's just your retarded opinion.

FACT: Miami was on a 68 win pace against WC team.

That literally is a fact and a reality. Not Miami would've won 55. Learn english, dude.


I know that you're in denial, about Ilt playing in a garbage ass era and choking his ass off, but:

Pace
Pace Factor (available since the 1973-74 season in the NBA); the formula is 48 * ((Tm Poss + Opp Poss) / (2 * (Tm MP / 5))). Pace factor is an estimate of the number of possessions per 48 minutes by a team. (Note: 40 minutes is used in the calculation for the WNBA.)


Christ! I'm not even going to touch this. If you're just adding percentages and numbers you pulled out of your ass, lets increase LeBron's numbers by about 60% to factor in pace and the ridiculously hilarious level of play from that shitty era.


Once again, Chokerlain played in a garbage ass era, and you can safely increase LeBron's numbers by 60% to translate to that trash era. In short, LeBron would be putting up 50/20/15 on over 60%, if he played back then.

You still fail to comprehend the FACT that Chokerlain did it on significantly lower volume as well.


'14 - Yeah, they probably wouldn't have made the Finals, but you can't just displace teams like that, you utter retard. The WC has the vast majority of All-NBA and All-Def players. You can be sure AF, that LeBron would've had a better team, if he was in the WC.

Zero impact is what you get from Chokerlain. The two times he won, he was a bottom feeding scrub of a scorer. Overrated scoring "impact". Whenever he tried to score, his teams failed miserably.


Again, you retard. You can't just displace teams. The Warriors, Spurs, etc. have multiple All-NBA/All-Def level players. The EC teams have significantly fewer ones. The WC teams just have better talent. If LeBron was in the WC, he'd be one a significantly better team as well. How hard is that concept to understand?

Then again, once the Cavs made the Finals, they nearly took out the 67 win Warriors. They had a shot to go up 3-0 and were actually up 2-1. This is without LeBron's #2 and #3. Now imagine Chokerlain playing without West and Baylor on the Lakers. Dude wouldn't even make the PO's.


2x MVP, steals leader, and All-NBA First

Runner-up DPOY, All-Def First, and All-NBA second

All-NBA Third

Runner-up 6th MOY and reigning FMVP

COY

The deepest bench in the league as well.


It's comical how you actually do not watch the games, but decide to comment on them. LeBron put up 32/11/6/2/1 on 54% in G4. But yeah, he was a "passive bystander" though. Watch the games before you comment on them. I know it's kinda hard as you've never actually seen a game before, but trust me. It's more fun can going over endless pages of numbers.



Lets seen. LeBron's shot wasn't falling and Kyrie wasn't taking any 3's either. LeBron did what he though was best. Drive and hope for a foul. That was the game when the Cavs complained about LeBron not getting FT's at ALL.

"He never gets calls," Tyronn Lue said of James during his postgame press conference. "(He) attacks the paint every single play. He doesn't get a fair whistle all the time because of his strength and because of his power and guys bounce off of him. But those are still fouls, and we weren't able to get them. But we've got to play through officiating."

http://www.sportal.co.nz/nba/game-4-nba-finals-lebron-james-fouls-free-throws-tyronn-lue-richard-jefferson/p7yl8kbwh9vj12nc8g7gbfpbj

Of course, you would know that if you actually follow the sport, instead of jerking off to a stat padding career loser like Ilt Chokerlain.


He wasn't suspended for that, moron. He was given a flagrant foul, which was deserved.

Jeff should just put this in a new thread and sticky it.

Green was suspended because he accrued more than the permissible amount of flagrant foul points. It was an AUTOMATIC suspension.


Games 3-5, LeBron put up 33/13/7/2/3 on 53%. He shot 54%, 52%, and 53% during that stretch. Again, those are from games 3-5. Not even including G6, in which Iggy played 30 minutes and LeBron put up 41/16/7/3/3 on 61% TS or G7 in which Iggy played 40 minutes and LeBron put up 27/11/11/2/3.

If we include those games, LeBron averaged 33/12/9/2/3 on 52% after playing terribly in the first two games.

Game 7 - LeBron scored 11 of the Cavs' 18 points in the 4th Q. LeBron scored in one quarter nearly what Wilt averages for his CAREER in the Finals. After GSW went up 4, LeBron scored 6 straight points to keep the Cavs in the game. Scored 8 straight points at one point. Singlehandedly kept the Cavs in the game.

The four minute stretch? Neither team scored a SINGLE point until Kyrie made that incredible 3. LeBron also had the block and the game and title sealing FT in the end.

[aj1987]

Love how you forget that Love was playing injured. As were Irving and Shumpert. Yeah, lets ignore that though. Only when it comes to Chokerlain failing on a constant basis, we bring up stuff like that. It's quite hilarious that you think Chokerlain is the GOAT, but blame the '69 loss on his freaking coach. :oldlol:


They lost in the Finals, you drooling retard. They didn't lose in the conference Finals. LeBron choked in the Finals (just like your lover), not the conference Finals. Even with that choke, Miami were one missed 3 away from taking a 3-0 lead. You would know that, if you watched the games, instead of going over numbers for days together.

BTW, Wade had a typical Chokerlain Finals game in G6.


I'm not doing this, as it's been done several times before. Look up the DRtg's and the ranks of the teams LeBron played against. Not really that hard.

Fact #1 - Chokerlain played in an absolutely shitty and garbage ass era
Fact #2 - Chokerlain played for his stats and didn't give a shit about winning
Fact #3 - Chokerlain choked HARD and this can be evidenced by his significant drop off in production

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5


Lets look at a couple of physical behemoths from the '60's:

https://s9.postimg.org/b2eeiqye7/0_wilt_chamberlain_4.jpg
https://s9.postimg.org/kbgksv7a7/Bob_Cousy_1950_17688992.jpg
https://s10.postimg.org/5mpgjdcjt/140916203240_20140916_gt_elgin_baylor_80th_birth.j pg
https://s10.postimg.org/uu0cjmfnt/Bob_Pettit_1962.jpg

Stick figures? Yep.


1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1963 Regular season
Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

1960 Division Finals
After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 35-65 (53.8%)

[Big164]

Free throw shooting is for girls like Mark Price, aj1987. I'd rather score 100, average 50.4, and own half the record books than be a a geek
with a meaningless extra ring.

3 rings is nothing. It's happened 80 f3cking times in nba history, 50.4 occurred only once!

[Paul George 24]

In the playoffs:

http://picasion.com/resize82/bd98ec4ffa10dafd086b70c5f47a45de.png
JORDAN >>>>>>>> LECHOKE :lol

[Paul George 24]

Did you know that PER is adjusted so that the league average for that season is always set at 15.0?


So Wilt getting a 31.70 PER means he's only twice as good as the average unathletic white stiff in the 60's




LeBron getting a 31.67 PER means he's twice as good as a modern professional elite basketball player.




Now tell me, would you rather be twice as good as this guy:


http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg




Or these guys


https://thebasketballsociety.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/2016-nba-all-star-starters.jpg


:confusedshrug:
JORDAN = GOAT,LZECHOKE ONLY CAN DREAM :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Free throw shooting is for girls like Mark Price, aj1987. I'd rather score 100, average 50.4, and own half the record books than be a a geek
with a meaningless extra ring.

3 rings is nothing. It's happened 80 f3cking times in nba history, 50.4 occurred only once!

Winning 3 FMVP's has been accomplished by only 5 players in NBA history

[aj1987]

Free throw shooting is for girls like Mark Price, aj1987. I'd rather score 100, average 50.4, and own half the record books than be a a geek
with a meaningless extra ring.

3 rings is nothing. It's happened 80 f3cking times in nba history, 50.4 occurred only once!
How many times has 3 FMVP's happened?

How many times has 30 - 22 - 18 happened?

Keep cucking, cuckeryfan.

[Big164]

Winning 3 FMVP's has been accomplished by only 5 players in NBA history
There you go celebrating 3rd place and being tied with 4 other men. No one outside of basketball nerds remember most after Jordan. It's first or nothing.

MJ has 6 FMVPs
Russell has 11 rings
Wilt has a 100

Call me when Lebron does something actually noteworthy

[SouBeachTalents]

There you go celebrating 3rd place and being tied with 4 other men. No one outside of basketball nerds remember most after Jordan. It's first or nothing.

MJ has 6 FMVPs
Russell has 11 rings
Wilt has a 100

Call me when Lebron does something actually noteworthy

Like winning Cleveland it's first title in 50 years and the first in Cavalier history? Leading the first 3-1 comeback in Finals history? Beating the team with the most wins in NBA history? Becoming the first player in league history to do this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClYUvAdUYAAiRj9.jpg

[Megabox!]

Like winning Cleveland it's first title in 50 years and the first in Cavalier history? Leading the first 3-1 comeback in Finals history? Beating the team with the most wins in NBA history? Becoming the first player in league history to do this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClYUvAdUYAAiRj9.jpg
:lebronamazed:

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt Chamberlain's Choking Resume



1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1963 Regular season
Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

1960 Division Finals
After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 35-65 (53.8%)

I have destroyed this nonsense time-and-again,...


1960 Division Finals
After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.

'60: In Wilt's rookie season he took what had been a LAST PLACE team the year before, to a 49-26 record. In the first round of the playoffs he single-handedly carried that roster to a series win with a 39-23 series, and in the winner-take-all closing game...put up a 53-22 game.

Then, he took a roster, that was man-for-man, badly outclassed, to a game six, two point loss, against a HOF-laden 59-16 Celtics team, in a series in which he averaged 31-27, and on a .500 FG%, in a post-season NBA that shot .402 overall. Oh, and in a must win game five, all he could do was crush Russell with a massive 50-35 game.


1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Yep...all Wilt's fault. All he did was hang a 37-23 series, while his teammates collectively shot .332 from the field. But yes, blame Wilt's missed FTs. Amazing how Shaq played on two title teams in which he had Finals of .387 and .292 from the line. Must have been his FT shooting that won those series.


1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

In the first round of the playoffs, Chamberlain averaged a 37-23, and in the clinching game five do-or-die game, he put up the greatest triple double in playoff history... a 56-35-12 game.

Then Chamberlain dragged essentially the same last place roster that he inherited in his rookie season, but now older and worse, to a game seven, two point loss, in a series in which he averaged 34-27. He also hung two 40+ point games, including one game in which he outscored Russell, 42-9, and outrebounded him, 37-20. In that game seven, newspaper recaps at the time, and opposing Boston players praised Wilt's DEFENSE. And in the last minute, Wilt scored Philly's last five points, to tie the game, but Same Jones hit the game-winner. BTW, the Celtics were favored in EVERY game of that seven game series. Oh, and BTW, Wilt went 8-9 from the LINE in that game seven. Funny how the poster (who actually stole this garbage from some idiot who posted this years ago)...missed that, huh?


1963 Regular season
Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.

Yep, and he did so while leading the league in FIFTEEN statistical categories, including...get this... WIN SHARES.

But, more on that in a moment...


1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

Wilt essentially took that SAME exact roster that went 31-49 the year before, to a 48-32 record. The only addition was rookie Nate Thurmond, who played part-time, out of position, and shot .395 from the field.

In the WDF's, Chamberlain faced the ONLY Western Division foe until the '67 Finals. How did he perform? Put up a 39-23 .559 FG% series (in a post-season NBA that shot .420.) And in the clinching game seven win... a 39-30-10 game.

In the Finals, Wilt's Warriors were outgunned in HOFers, 8-3, which was bad enough. But Wilt's two "HOFers" were rookie Thurmond, a part-timer, and Guy Rodgers, who was the worst shooter of his era. And yes, they lost the series, 4-1, but the last two games were decided in the waning seconds. In those two losses, Chamberlain hung games of 27-38, and 30-27. For the series, Chamberlain outscored Russell, per game, 29-11, outrebounded Russell, per game, 28-25, and outshot Russell from the floor by a .517 to .386 margin (again, in a post-season that shot .420 overall.) Oh, and how did Wilt's two "HOF" teammates do? Thurmond shot .326 from the floor, and Rodgers shot .258. And there are those that claim that LeShrinkage had no help in his '15 Finals. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...


1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

This is one of my favorites.

Wilt was TRADED at mid-season, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before, for three players and a boatload of cash. Even with Wilt they only went 40-40.

However, he SINGLE-HANDEDLY destroyed Oscar's stacked 48-32 roster in the first round, which included a clinching performance of 38-26.

Then, he took that massively outgunned roster, to a game seven, one point loss, against a HOF-laden 62-18 Celtics team at the peak of their dynasty. For the series, all Wilt could do was put up the most dominant performance in NBA playoff history...and against the GOAT defensive center in NBA history. Averaged 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, 3.3 apg, had a 25.1 TRB%, blocked 7.0 shots per game, shot .555 from the floor, in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot .413 overall;and had a TS% of .575...in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot a .465 TS%. A staggering full 11 percentage points above the series average.

And how about this? Wilt led BOTH teams in MPG, PPG, RPG, BPG, TRB%, FG%, and TS%.

And in game seven, Wilt scored 30 points, including Philly's last eight points, with 32 rebounds, and on an .800 FG%, and on a phenomenal .724 TS%. His teammates collectively shot 29-75 from the floor (.373) in a one point loss. And if Hondo hadn't stolen the ball, it would have been the greatest upset in NBA playoff history.

As for "once again being outscored by Sam Jones in a game seven"...Jones was a GUARD. BTW, Chamberlain was the leading scorer in these Celtic series in '60, '62, '64, '65, and '66. He also outscored Jones in '67. So Jones was barely able to oustcore Wilt in '68, and then in '69. Enough of the "Jones outscored Wilt in game sevens" nonsense.


1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

In that elimination game, Chamberlain had 46 points (19-34 from the field.) He also shot .509 from the floor in that series, while his teammates collectively shot .352.

For the series, all Chamberlain could do was average 28 ppg, 30 rpg, and shoot .509 from the field.

BTW, Wilt led the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and FG% that season, all while leading his team to the best record in the league.



The poster left out Wilt's '67 post-season, so here goes:

First round, Wilt averages ...get this... 28.0 ppg, 26.5 rpg, 11.0 apg, and on a .617 FG%.

In the EDF's, and against Russell's 60-21 Celtics, Chamberlain destroys the Dynasty in a near sweep. He outscores Russell, per game, 22-11; ourebounds him, per game, 32-23; outassists per game, 10-6; and outshoots him from the field by a .556-.358 margin.

In the clincher, Wilt outscored Russell, 29-4; outrebounded him, 36-21; outshot him from the floor, 10-16 to 2-5; and outassisted him, 13-7. He even found time to record 7 blocks.

In the Finals, Wilt buries Nate Thurmond in Nate's peak season. He outscores him in five of the six games; outrebounds him in five of the six games; outassists him in five of the six games; and outshot him in every game. BTW, he outshot Nate by a .560 to .343 margin. Oh, and a peak Kareem faced Thurmond in three straight post-season series, and shot .486, .428, and .405 against him.

Overall, a 21-29-9 .579 playoff run. And in series in which he annihilated his HOF peers.


Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...


1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

The Sixers were DECIMATED by injuries in that post-season, that they weren't even favored against the Knicks in the first round.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9328011&postcount=14

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9328006&postcount=13

Chamberlain, himself, was playing with multiple injuries, including a tear in his calf muscle. And again, they were without HOFer Billy Cunningham the entire series.

So here was Wilt playing with injuries that we KNOW that guys like Kareem, LeChoke, and Reed would not have (my god, LeFlop was carried off the floor with MENSTRUAL CRAMPS for cryingoutloud.) Not only that, but Wilt hung a 22-25-7 series.

It was truly amazing that he even played at all, and it was just as amazing that a Sixers roster that was just decimated by injuries and missed games, lost a game seven by four points.



1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

In the game three six point loss, Chamberlain put up a 16-26 game on 55% shooting, while West and Baylor combined to shoot 1-10 from the floor in the 4th quarter.

In that game four loss, Wilt shot 2-11 from the line, while his counterpart Russell, shot 2-12 from the floor. Oh, and how about Baylor in that game? 2-14 from the field, and 1-6 from the line...in a one point loss.

In the game seven, two point loss, all Wilt could do was hang an 18-27-10 triple-double, and on a game high .656 from the floor. West had a .569 TS%, Baylor had a .455 TS%, and Wilt's counterpart Russell put up a 6 pt, 21 reb, .342 TS% game.

But yes, blame Wilt...who, BTW, was not even in the game in the last five minutes, thanks to his incompetent coach, who promptly quit before being fired.



1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%

This is truly laughable. Wilt shredded his knee early in the season, and was playing only four months after major knee surgery.

Not only that, but he was clearly the Lakers best player in that series, despite playing on one leg. He hung the ONLY 20-20 .600 Finals in NBA history (23-24 .625), and in the last two "must win games" had games of 45-27 on 20-27 shooting, and then 21-24 on .625 shooting. Oh, and how did he fare against a one-legged FMVP Reed in the last three games of Finals? He outscored him by an 88-10 margin; outrebounded him by a 71-3 margin; and outshot him from the floor by a 39-55 to 4-10 margin (.708 to .400.)

All this accomplished with a huge underdog 46-36 team that faced a HOF laden 60-22 Knicks team with HCA in the Finals.

As for the "1-11" from the line in game seven...the Lakers were down by 27 points at halftime, and his missed FTs had no bearing on the game. His TEAMMATES poor play, particularly that of an injured Jerry West, who was just slaughtered by Walt Frazier, contributed far more to that rout.

Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

And finally...

Poster didn't mention Wilt's '71 post-season. The post-season in which he didn't have his two best teammates, West and Baylor, and was playing only a year after major knee surgery. Wilt led his underdog Lakers past the Bulls in the first round, and then statistically battled a peak Kareem to a draw in the WCF's, albeit in a 4-1 series loss. In fact, Wilt actually outplayed Kareem in three of those five games, and one of the others was a draw.


Nor did he mention Wilt's '72 post-season. Chamberlain led a team that had gone 48-34 the year before, and that then jettisoned Baylor, to a 69-13 record. In the WCF's, and despite being heavily outscored by a peak Kareem, he, by ALL accounts, outplayed KAJ. In fact, Time Magazine went so far as to claim that Wilt DECISIVELY OUTPLAYED Kareem in that series. A shot-jacking Kareem shot .457 from the floor in that series, and in the last four games he could only shoot .414! The Lakers knocked off the defending champions, and effectively ended their dynasty before it ever got going.

Chamberlain then absolutely crushed the Knicks and their five HOFers in the Finals. He put up a 19-23-7 .600 series, and in the clincher and playing the game with one badly sprained wrist, and the other FRACTURED, he hung a 24-29-8 game on 10-14 shooting. Oh, and he did carried "Mr. Clutch" West, who shot a horrific .325 from the floor, to his only ring. Of course Chamberlain won the FMVP.



1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

Unlike the '72 Finals, which were dominated by the Lakers, the '73 Finals had all five games decided in the last minute. And with West once again puking all over the floor, including 5-17 from the field in the clinching game loss, and with Hairston nowhere near 100%, the Lakers fell 4-1. In Wilt's last game of his career, he was the only Laker to play well, putting up a 23-21 game on 9-16 from the floor.


There you have it. Quite a choking resume alright.

Here was Wilt "the choker" routinely putting up 30-20 playoff series, and against the likes of Reed, Bellamy, Thurmond, Kareem, and Russell. In his scoring prime, he averaged 33 ppg in his 52 playoff games, 30 of which came against Russell. Remove the Russell games, and he averaged 36 ppg.

He had post-seasons of 22-21-5, 22-29-9, 24-25-7, 28-30, 29-27, 33-26, 35-25, 35-27, and 37-23. He had post-season series of 30-31, 31-27, 34-27, 37-23, 37-23, 39-23, and 39-23. The man averaged 24.5 rpg, and outrebounded the career record holder in ALL EIGHT of their H2H's. He also averaged an NBA record 24.6 rpg in his six Finals. He had back-to-back triple-double post-season series. He outshot his HOF counterparts in his six Finals by a collective margin of .559 to .439...all while badly outrebounding them.

He had must win playoff games of 42, 45, 46, 50, 50, and 56 points.

In his 23 must-win playoff games he averaged 31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.4 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in that same span.) Anbd in his 37 must win and series clinching playoff games... 29.5 rpg, 26.3 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .546 FG%.

[LAZERUSS]

Like winning Cleveland it's first title in 50 years and the first in Cavalier history? Leading the first 3-1 comeback in Finals history? Beating the team with the most wins in NBA history? Becoming the first player in league history to do this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClYUvAdUYAAiRj9.jpg

While the Warriors may have set a regular season mark, they proved in the post-season that they were nowhere near a great team. They had five losses before they even made the Finals, and the reality was, the 55 win Thunder outplayed (and outscored) in the WCF's. Hell, OKC slaughtered GS in game's three and four (by margins of 28, with a 37 point lead at the end of quarter 3 in game three, and then 24 points in game four), and you would have been hard-pressed to find anyone in the country who would have given them a chance to win that series.

As for coming back from a 3-1 series deficit...yep, with the Warriors best player suspended in game five, and then with their two other best defensive players injured in games six and seven (with Iguadala hobbled to the point that he looked like Betty White, and with Bogut missing those two games entirely.)

The 73-9 Warriors went 15-9 in the post-season.

[aj1987]

I have destroyed this nonsense time-and-again,...
No, you haven't. All you did was cry like a little bitch because your roided up mental midget of a lover was/is the GOAT choker.

You can cry all you want, but anyone with an inkling of basketball knowledge wouldn't rank him anywhere close to the top 5.

30 - 22 - 18

GOAT choking mental midget and a steroid junkie, who is THE most overrated and overhyped "athlete" in the history of sports.

BTW, the team you consider to be the GOAT team went 11-4 (:roll: WOAT era) and Walker, Jones, Greer, and Cunningham to bail out the retarded mental midget, while he was getting shit on by Barry.

[Big164]

This is how the most athletic Big in 2016 looks next to a 1950s player...

http://i.imgur.com/oiYNWtq.jpg


Look at 1950's player's Shoulders! How is that possible?:crazysam:

[Big164]

Like winning Cleveland it's first title in 50 years and the first in Cavalier history? Leading the first 3-1 comeback in Finals history? Beating the team with the most wins in NBA history? Becoming the first player in league history to do this


Fair enough. Those are Noteworthy, not quite GOATworthy tho.

Certainly nothing that will have fans talking 50 years after the fact...

http://images.thepostgame.com/sites/default/files/Main-athlete-currency-compressor.jpg

[Big164]

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/lg/public/2012/03/31/256008-davis.jpg

31.86...

[Marchesk]

Or these guys


https://thebasketballsociety.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/2016-nba-all-star-starters.jpg


:confusedshrug:

Lebron isn't twice as good as those guys, get real.