Steve Trash Finals Virgin most overrated player of all time

[warriorfan]

Steve Trash gimmick player no defense never won anything, has a weird ass eye that is only bested by T-mac

http://www.nba.com/media/nash_600_051003.jpg

[SamuraiSWISH]

He's become very overrated, I'd agree.

[Lord P]

Most definitely did not deserve to be a two time mvp, and didn't even deserve one of them in my book. Still one of the greatest pure PG's to play the game though

[Lebron23]

He's become very overrated, I'd agree.


He was the Stephen Curry of the mid 2000's. Still a solid point guard. Suns could have won the NBA Championship in 2007 if Amare didn't get suspended.

[Mr Feeny]

Reminder: Steve Nash destroyed Kobe 2 years running h2h and beat him by 30 in a Game 7 where Kobe has 1 point in the ENTIRE second half.

Steve the king nash:applause: :applause: Kobe's master:lol :banana:

[Dray n Klay]

Reminder: Steve Nash destroyed Kobe 2 years running h2h and beat him by 30 in a Game 7 where Kobe has 1 point in the ENTIRE second half.

Steve the king nash:applause: :applause: Kobe's master:lol :banana:

:roll:

:banana:

[CuterThanRubio]

http://i68.tinypic.com/316uul4.png

^This

[Sakkreth]

Funny how Curry fan calls out another player for being a gimmick and bad at defense. Curry is just lucky to be in a way better team than Nash ever was.

[warriorfan]

Curry is nothing like Steve Nash. Steve Nash could never score like Curry and Curry is a top 5 defender at the point guard position


Funny how Curry fan calls out another player for being a gimmick and bad at defense. Curry is just lucky to be in a way better team than Nash ever was.
Location: Kaunas, Lithuania

Enough said

[SouBeachTalents]

Curry is nothing like Steve Nash. Steve Nash could never score like Curry and Curry is a top 5 defender at the point guard position

As he showed in the Finals against Kyrie

[fourkicks44]

'Most overrated player of all time", that is a BIG call warriorfan.

[Smoke117]

Looks like curryfan is starting up his bullshit again. :rolleyes:

[warriorfan]

As he showed in the Finals against Kyrie
7 game sample size while he was coming off an MCL injury, sounds like a great way to evaluate a player's defensive capabilities...:lol



'Most overrated player of all time", that is a BIG call warriorfan.
I don't want to derail the thread but he is definitely right up there at the top

[BarberSchool]

He was the Stephen Curry of the mid 2000's. Still a solid point guard. Suns could have won the NBA Championship in 2007 if Amare didn't get suspended.This.

[warriorfan]

This.
Amare getting suspended was Nash's fault. If Nash was an Alpha and could hold his own he wouldn't need his whole team to run to his aid like he was a damsel in distress.

[Nilocon165]

Amare getting suspended was Nash's fault. If Nash was an Alpha and could hold his own he wouldn't need his whole team to run to his aid like he was a damsel in distress.
If Curry was even the slightest bit alpha he could get a FMVP vote

[warriorfan]

If Curry was even the slightest bit alpha he could get a FMVP vote
Sorry, your pencil necked ass doesn't know the slightest thing about alphaness

[CuterThanRubio]

http://www.lobshots.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/steve-nash-tiny.jpg

[LostCause]

So why exactly is he overrated? And who overrates him?

[AirBonner]

Sorry, your pencil necked ass doesn't know the slightest thing about alphaness
which is why you are the biggest stan of the biggest beta player. :facepalm

[SamuraiSWISH]

Was anyone around in the physical 90's to watch a white PG, who could shoot lights out, and was one of the originators of splitting the double team off the dribble by the name of Mark Price?

Very similar player to this guy OP mentions. Only didn't play on as high octane of an offense, and wasn't the same level of a liability on defense.

[Dray n Klay]

Funny thing is, even Nash is better defensively than Curry :lol

[warriorfan]

Funny thing is, even Nash is better defensively than Curry :lol
Reported

[AirBonner]

Reported
can't handle the truth? he is also a much better passer.

[warriorfan]

can't handle the truth? he is also a much better passer.
Passing is probably Nash. Although anyone who is trying to post about Steve Nash being a better defender than Steph Curry is getting reported for trolling

[Dray n Klay]

Would Nash ever allow a 19 ppg regular season scorer, to drop 27ppg on him in the Finals?






Food for thought...

[warriorfan]

Would Nash ever allow a 19 ppg regular season scorer, to drop 27ppg on him in the Finals?






Food for thought...
No because he would of been eliminated before them

[livingby3's]

One is among the toughest players to ever play the game, fighting through bleeding nose, eye injury and who knows what else.

Another one threw his mouthpiece at a fan.

If Nash had Klay, Iggy, Green and Bogut he probably will make the finals too.

Not even a Curry hater but calling Nash the most overrated player of all time is definitely trolling. Dude was a beast in his own rights.

[bizil]

When it comes to combining shooting, handles, and dimes at the PG, Price, Nash, and Steph are the BIG THREE! Of course Steph has taken it to the ultimate level because of the high scoring. But Nash was ALREADY an All Star PG in Dallas BEFORE he ever got to Phoenix.

In Dallas, they had CRAZY DEPTH on that team. So much offensive skill that he didn't have to dominate the ball. IN PHX, the PG MUST be more ball dominant in Dantoni's system. And all types of guys were having career years in that system. Why is Nash THE ONLY ONE who people seem to diss?

He made his teammates better in a revolutionary offensive system. U take Nash off that team, and the whole thing comes apart. WHICH MEANS he's the MVP in a given year. MVP and best player are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS! Nobody EVER considered Nash the best player in the world. But I do admit, two MVPs were a bit much. Not saying he wasn't deserving, but Shaq should have gotten one of those. Among pass first PG's, Nash is the most gifted EVER in terms of shooting, passing, and handles as a package.

[Big164]

http://i68.tinypic.com/316uul4.png
Most useless player of all time.

[LilEddyCurry]

Is making the finals a good thing? At least Steve Nash never lost in the finals :rolleyes:

[fourkicks44]

Is making the finals a good thing? At least Steve Nash never lost in the finals :rolleyes:

You know very well the consensus opinion on Insidehoops is that making the finals is regarded as equal to or greater than winning the championship.

[houston]

Of course Nash overrated. Dallas became a better team without Nash. It his defense and his non clutch game was the reason he never made the Finals. Dude played with the best of the best players and still couldn't get it done.

What make Nash even more sadder that past his prime Kidd can take Dirk and Marion and win championship while Nash had them players in his prime:roll:

[LilEddyCurry]

You know very well the consensus opinion on Insidehoops is that making the finals is regarded as equal to or greater than winning the championship.
I am not sure if people know it, but making the finals is better than:
- Missing the playoffs
- Losing in the first round
- Losing in the second round
- Losing in the Conference Finals

However, it is less than winning a championship


:eek:

[Lebron23]

You know very well the consensus opinion on Insidehoops is that making the finals is regarded as equal to or greater than winning the championship.


You are retarded. You are slightly dumber than Airtupac.

[SouBeachTalents]

You know very well the consensus opinion on Insidehoops is that making the finals is regarded as equal to or greater than winning the championship.

Lol, it's the exact opposite actually, hence all the 2/6 & 2/7 threads that were being posted endlessly until last June

[NBASTATMAN]

Reminder: Steve Nash destroyed Kobe 2 years running h2h and beat him by 30 in a Game 7 where Kobe has 1 point in the ENTIRE second half.

Steve the king nash:applause: :applause: Kobe's master:lol :banana:


:applause: :cheers:

[Lebron23]

Lol, it's the exact opposite actually, hence all the 2/6 & 2/7 threads that were being posted endlessly until last June


Dude is a gimmick account. He's probably a Kobetard who pretended that he's a sixers fan.

[fourkicks44]

Dude is a gimmick account. He's probably a Kobetard who pretended that he's a sixers fan.

Interesting perspective.

[ClipperRevival]

Overrated my ass. He's arguably the most skilled player in history when you consider his height and lack of athleticism and the impact he had. At least guys like Magic/Bird had the height/size to compensate for their lack of athleticism. Nash didn't have that luxury. Almost every success he had in terms of getting by guys had to be based on skills/savviness.

Nothing is given to you at the highest level, you have to earn it and take it. Nash's body of work speaks for itself. The guy was a magician with the bball.

[warriorfan]

Overrated my ass. He's arguably the most skilled player in history when you consider his height and lack of athleticism and the impact he had. At least guys like Magic/Bird had the height/size to compensate for their lack of athleticism. Nash didn't have that luxury. Almost every success he had in terms of getting by guys had to be based on a gimmick brand of basketball that was never able to succeed at the highest level.

Nothing is given to you at the highest level, you have to earn it and take it. Nash's body of work speaks for itself. The guy was a magician with the bball.
Fixed that for you.

[ralph_i_el]

Curry is nothing like Steve Nash. Steve Nash could never score like Curry and Curry is a top 5 defender at the point guard position


Location: Kaunas, Lithuania

Enough said

Top 5 defender at the point guard position? Are you nuts? That's indefensible.

[warriorfan]

Top 5 defender at the point guard position? Are you nuts? That's indefensible.
Chris Paul, Ricky Rubio, and Kyle Lowery are the only point guards in the league who are better defenders than Steph Curry.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Overrated my ass. He's arguably the most skilled player in history when you consider his height and lack of athleticism and the impact he had. At least guys like Magic/Bird had the height/size to compensate for their lack of athleticism. Nash didn't have that luxury. Almost every success he had in terms of getting by guys had to be based on skills/savviness.

Nothing is given to you at the highest level, you have to earn it and take it. Nash's body of work speaks for itself. The guy was a magician with the bball.
Mark Price. A guy who is 3 inches shorter than Nash. In a MUCH more physical defensive environment.

7x year stretch from 1989 to 1995

18 ppg
8 apg
3 rpg
1 spg

48% FG
40% 3FG
92% FT

[ArbitraryWater]

He's become very overrated, I'd agree.

he's not even talked about :facepalm

[Wally450]

Chris Paul, Ricky Rubio, and Kyle Lowery are the only point guards in the league who are better defenders than Steph Curry.


:facepalm

[swagga]

warriorfan talking about virgins :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ClipperRevival]

Mark Price. A guy who is 3 inches shorter than Nash. In a MUCH more physical defensive environment.

7x year stretch from 1989 to 1995

18 ppg
8 apg
3 rpg
1 spg

48% FG
40% 3FG
92% FT

Price is no doubt underrated. But he was more athletic than Nash and I didn't say Nash was definitively the most skilled ever but "arguably" when considering size and lack of athleticism.

But just for fun, here is Nash's best 7 year run (2004-05 - 2010-11):

16.7 PPG, 11.0 APG, 3.5 RPG, .508%, .440 3PT%, .913 FT%, 21.8 PER

I realize these numbers are somewhat inflated given the style but still impressive.

[CuterThanRubio]

Overrated my ass. He's arguably the most skilled player in history when you consider his height and lack of athleticism and the impact he had. At least guys like Magic/Bird had the height/size to compensate for their lack of athleticism. Nash didn't have that luxury. Almost every success he had in terms of getting by guys had to be based on skills/savviness.

Nothing is given to you at the highest level, you have to earn it and take it. Nash's body of work speaks for itself. The guy was a magician with the bball.


:applause:

He was second in MVP voting in 06, he could have had THREE MVP's in a row, and I personally think voter fatigue was a big reason for Dirk taking it.

Nash fans can rest easy for eternity, the legend cannot be tarnished!

Mark Price?

GET ALL THE WAY REAL, KID!

"More athletic"

That isn't saying much and it isn't even true

Price was an injury plagued and overlooked footnote, Nash was an iconic ironman with an undeniable influence and such a strong impact that he single handedly changed the way NBA basketball is played.

You want to talk about inflation?

90s basketball....nuff said!

UGH!


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ct0BzZo-4to/TihZIEdTugI/AAAAAAAABME/KE68lNTk9EM/s1600/steve-nash-crying-tease-ref-nba-funny-photos.jpg

[CuterThanRubio]

Chris Paul, Ricky Rubio, and Kyle Lowery are the only point guards in the league who are better defenders than Steph Curry.


Damn right!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAjSVCVgUKE

LOCK UP!

[Dray n Klay]

Chris Paul, Ricky Rubio, and Kyle Lowery are the only point guards in the league who are better defenders than Steph Curry.



What about John Wall?? :roll: :roll:

[iznogood]

Chris Paul, Ricky Rubio, and Kyle Lowery are the only point guards in the league who are better defenders than Steph Curry.

Wall, Conley, Beverley, Bradley, Dellavedova, Bledsoe, Smart, Hill, Carter Williams, Payton, Livingston, Rivers...and there's more. Curry is average at best.

[warriorfan]

Wall is a sloppy and undisciplined defender

Athleticism does not equal good defense

BTW Stop listing random scrubs who play 20 minutes a game

[AintNoSunshine]

Better than Cuckry to be honest. Just as good of a scorer and WORLDS BETTER at running an offense (reason why he didn't score as much himself).

Neither played a lick of defense. But at least Nash could take charges.

Both 2 time MVP but give me Nash any day of the week. Twice in the playoffs.

[PhutureDynasty]

What's the logic in Curry being a top 5 defender at his position? Some defensive metric???

Simply curious.

[iznogood]

Wall is a sloppy and undisciplined defender

Athleticism does not equal good defense

BTW Stop listing random scrubs who play 20 minutes a game
This is completely untrue, Wall has a great understanding of when he needs to put more pressure on his defender and when to defend disciplined. Also, only a small percentage of his steals comes from playing passing lanes, something Curry does all the time and is considered far greater gamble. Even when he reaches in he stays balanced and doesn't lounge into his opponents.

Your attempt to dismiss some of the listed PGs as unimportant scrubs just shows that you acknowledge they're better defenders.

[warriorfan]

What's the logic in Curry being a top 5 defender at his position? Some defensive metric???

Simply curious.
Eye test, both counting and advanced statistics as well

Literally all accounts point towards Curry being a top PG defender in the league

The only thing that doesn't is people's personal bias

[AintNoSunshine]

Eye test, both counting and advanced statistics as well

Literally all accounts point towards Curry being a top PG defender in the league

The only thing that doesn't is people's personal bias
Kyrie and Westbrook were LITERALLY drooling when they see Cuckry. Literally.

[warriorfan]

Kyrie and Westbrook were LITERALLY drooling when they see Cuckry. Literally.
Well if you knew two shits about basketball you would know that good offense beats good defense. Kyrie smokes everyone. When guys like him and Westbrook are on it doesn't matter who is covering them; and actually Curry plays good defense against Westbrook.

[AintNoSunshine]

Well if you knew two shits about basketball you would know that good offense beats good defense. Kyrie smokes everyone. When guys like him and Westbrook are on it doesn't matter who is covering them; and actually Curry plays good defense against Westbrook.


I know too much about basketball to respond to your troll threads. Carry on

[Sakkreth]

Curry is nothing like Steve Nash. Steve Nash could never score like Curry and Curry is a top 5 defender at the point guard position


Location: Kaunas, Lithuania

Enough said

That place produces like the most NBA players per capita in the world :oldlol: and people on average are about x20 more knowledgeable about basketball than people from USA. Why you mad? :D

[ArbitraryWater]

:applause:

He was second in MVP voting in 06, he could have had THREE MVP's in a row, and I personally think voter fatigue was a big reason for Dirk taking it.

Nash fans can rest easy for eternity, the legend cannot be tarnished!

Mark Price?

GET ALL THE WAY REAL, KID!

"More athletic"

That isn't saying much and it isn't even true

Price was an injury plagued and overlooked footnote, Nash was an iconic ironman with an undeniable influence and such a strong impact that he single handedly changed the way NBA basketball is played.

You want to talk about inflation?

90s basketball....nuff said!

UGH!


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ct0BzZo-4to/TihZIEdTugI/AAAAAAAABME/KE68lNTk9EM/s1600/steve-nash-crying-tease-ref-nba-funny-photos.jpg

Voting fatigue was the reason Dirk won? :oldlol:

Dirk should have already won it a year sooner

[iznogood]

and actually Curry plays good defense against Westbrook.
It wasn't that good, but it was good enough. What GSW does against Westbrook is they sink close to the basket, nake Curry steer Westbrook in the direction where help defense is and invite Westbrook to either take a pull up jumper, pass or take a heavily contested layup. So Curry really doesn't do anything special, he only executes the plan (and he does that quite well). It works good enough against OKC since they always play enough one way players for this defensive strategy to work.

Curry is a good on ball defender, but I'm pretty sure Westbrook would've cooked him, if they let him defend without all that help.

[SpaceJam]

No because he would of been eliminated before them

This topic is ridiculous, but can't lie that made me laugh

[ralph_i_el]

That place produces like the most NBA players per capita in the world :oldlol: and people on average are about x20 more knowledgeable about basketball than people from USA. Why you mad? :D

Yeah Lithuania is like Indiana when it comes to basketball.

[MiseryCityTexas]

people shit on T-Mac all the time, but Steve Nash always gets a pass for not winning anything smh.

[CuterThanRubio]

Voting fatigue was the reason Dirk won? :oldlol:

Dirk should have already won it a year sooner

Why are Dirk fanboys so worried about these kind of things

You aren't baiting me, clown, I clearly stated that I felt it was a "big reason", not the only reason.


Nash has two, and was second in voting the year after he won his second, we're comfortable over here!

I nearly forgot to mention that he directly coached Curry to his second consecutive MVP, so I might argue that he is allowed to claim partial ownership (and it seems like Curry agrees with that sentiment!)



http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/stephen-curry-of-the-golden-state-warriors-poses-with-steve-nash-picture-id530287382

And to the MENTAL MIDGET mentioning McGrady,the 2nd round virgin, take a seat!

[warriorfan]

That place produces like the most NBA players per capita in the world :oldlol: and people on average are about x20 more knowledgeable about basketball than people from USA. Why you mad? :D
I just have a strong feeling that you watch under 5 Golden State games a year and when you do it's off some 15p chinese stream.

[TrueBlue89]

Curry is the best PG of all time. Warriorfan knows his basketball.