Why do people consider LeBron joining a 47 win team and 33 win team as 'collusion'?

[Dray n Klay]

Is LeBron the only player in NBA History that gets criticized for:


- Joining a 47 win team that lost in the 1st round



- Joining a 33 win lottery team that may have been the least talented team in the league






If what LeBron did was collusion, then basically any player leaving to join another team is "collusion".

[Dray n Klay]

Inb4 warriorfan tries to ruin this thread with misleading facts

[Father Prime]

lol you dumb as ****. If you don't know the answer already, no one would be able to explain to you.

[Dray n Klay]

Dray N Klay, can you create a thread on this topic?

Dwyane Wade: "LeBron and I considered joining Bulls until Heat signed Bosh"

https://twitter.com/vgoodwill/status/786631594672992256
https://twitter.com/vgoodwill/status/786632608692051969

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2669434-dwyane-wade-says-he-and-lebron-james-were-interested-in-joining-bulls-in-2010


Only once you type these words:


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[AirBonner]

lol you dumb as ****. If you don't know the answer already, no one would be able to explain to you.
This guy is a brand new poster and op is already rent free :applause:

[FreezingTsmoove]

Joined two top 5 players in 2010

Joined a team in 2014 that drafted #1 overall the last 3 out of 4 years

[SouBeachTalents]

Joined two top 5 players in 2010

Joined a team in 2014 that drafted #1 overall the last 3 out of 4 years

Funny how one of those "top 5" players didn't even make an All-NBA team and missed the playoffs in the East

[Dray n Klay]

Funny how one of those "top 5" players didn't even make an All-NBA team and missed the playoffs in the East


And the other one flamed out embarrassingly in the 1st round




So technically neither of them were Top 5




LeBron joined a run of the mill 47 win team

[NZStreetBaller]

Lebron joined great talent....and an established fmvp?
Both kyrie and love were all stars on bad teams.

[tpols]

Bron teamed up with a top MVP candidate and an All star power forward in a barren conference in an attempt to ring chase in his prime ... the sooner you come to terms with that OP, the better you will feel.

[SouBeachTalents]

And the other one flamed out embarrassingly in the 1st round




So technically neither of them were Top 5




LeBron joined a run of the mill 47 win team

vs. the Celtics

Wade: 33/6/7 on 56%
LeBron: 27/9/7 on 45%

[smoovegittar]

Most people won't respond to this post. Which pretty much kills the thread title.

Time for a new season, boys.

[Dray n Klay]

Bron teamed up with a top MVP candidate and an All star power forward in a barren conference in an attempt to ring chase in his prime ... the sooner you come to terms with that OP, the better you will feel.


If the conference was barren, then why was the top MVP candidate constantly losing in the 1st round until LeBron joined him? :lol




Caught in a catch-22 huh, tpols baby-boy?




Either you have to admit the conference was tough, or the 'MVP candidate' Bron joined wasn't that good since he was losing in the 1st round in a shit conference :lol

[GrapeApe]

And the other one flamed out embarrassingly in the 1st round




So technically neither of them were Top 5




LeBron joined a run of the mill 47 win team

Wade was coming off back to back 1st team all-NBA and top 2 PER seasons. He was a consensus top 3 player.

Also, a team's record the previous year is irrelevant when you add 2 all-stars. If you added 2 all-stars to a 10 win team, they'd be a playoff team. If you started a team from scratch with prime Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, they'd be title contenders.

Regardless, it wasn't collusion. It was free agency, the key word being "free". A free agent can sign with any team they choose and any players they choose to play with.

[Smoke117]

If Kyrie Irving had been a bust be would have never gone back.

[diamenz]

because he's a bitch just like his boy durant.

[tpols]

If the conference was barren, then why was the top MVP candidate constantly losing in the 1st round until LeBron joined him? :lol




Caught in a catch-22 huh, tpols baby-boy?




Either you have to admit the conference was tough, or the 'MVP candidate' Bron joined wasn't that good since he was losing in the 1st round in a shit conference :lol

:roll: are you copying smoke's terminology now ??


smh ..

[Dray n Klay]

:roll: are you copying smoke's terminology now ??


smh ..


tpols caught in a trap :lol



Time for the ad hominems :banana:

[nathanjizzle]

its not about which team he was joining, its about which players he was building the team with. he could go to the shittiest team but if he were to convince curry and kd to go with him, thats collusion.

[LAZERUSS]

So I guess there was absolutely no communication going on between Wade, Bosh, and the Court Jester before "the Decision?" Yeah right.

And no communication between Love, Kyrie, and LeChoke before LeFlop signed up with the Cavs? Yeah, right.

[Dray n Klay]

So I guess there was absolutely no communication going on between Wade, Bosh, and the Court Jester before "the Decision?" Yeah right.

And no communication between Love, Kyrie, and LeChoke before LeFlop signed up with the Cavs? Yeah, right.

LOL what about with 3" WiltCHOKE and Jerry West, who carried Wilt by averaging 40ppg while Wilt choked and averaged 12ppg :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

LOL what about with 3" WiltCHOKE and Jerry West, who carried Wilt by averaging 40ppg while Wilt choked and averaged 12ppg :oldlol:

First of all...Wilt was TRADED to the Lakers, for THREE players. He didn't just walk away from the Sixers.

Secondly, Van Breda Kolff obviously blew the '69 Finals, when West and Baylor couldn't get the job done, instead of putting the ball into the hands of their true leader.

So, in '72, Sharman cut Baylor, and had FMVP Wilt carry the Lakers to an overwhelming title, and in a series in which West shot a LePuke-like .325 from the floor.

West would NEVER have won a ring had he not played with Chamberlain.

And one more time...thanks to LeShrinkage flashing his junk to the millions watching at the time...we KNOW that he was Mr. 3" LeChoke.

Next...

[Bankaii]

First of all...Wilt was TRADED to the Lakers, for THREE players. He didn't just walk away from the Sixers.

Secondly, Van Breda Kolff obviously blew the '69 Finals, when West and Baylor couldn't get the job done, instead of putting the ball into the hands of their true leader.

So, in '72, Sharman cut Baylor, and had FMVP Wilt carry the Lakers to an overwhelming title, and in a series in which West shot a LePuke-like .325 from the floor.

West would NEVER have won a ring had he not played with Chamberlain.

And one more time...thanks to LeShrinkage flashing his junk to the millions watching at the time...we KNOW that he was Mr. 3" LeChoke.

Next...
West won FMVP on a losing team and had 42 points in Game 7, Wilt had 18 including going 4/13 from the ft line.
Wilt living up to his name, wilting away in the postseason:oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

West won FMVP on a losing team and had 42 points in Game 7, Wilt had 18 including going 4/13 from the ft line.
Wilt living up to his name, wilting away in the postseason:oldlol:

Hmmm... West went 14-29 from the field, and 14-18 from the line, including missing two Fts in the 4th quarter. Wilt's 18 came on 7-8 from the field. How about this... Wilt had a game-high .656 TS%, while West was at a .569 TS%, and Baylor had a .455 TS%. Oh, and Wilt's counterpart, HOFer Russell? Scored six points, and on a.342 TS%.

BTW, Chamberlain hung a TRIPLE DOUBLE 18-27-10 in that same game. Yep...he "wilted" alright.

GTFO.

[SouBeachTalents]

Hmmm... West went 14-29 from the field, and 14-18 from the line, including missing two Fts in the 4th quarter. Wilt's 18 came on 7-8 from the field. How about this... Wilt had a game-high .656 TS%, while West was at a .569 TS%, and Baylor had a .455 TS%. Oh, and Wilt's counterpart, HOFer Russell? Scored six points, and on a.342 TS%.

BTW, Chamberlain hung a TRIPLE DOUBLE 18-27-10 in that same game. Yep...he "wilted" alright.

GTFO.

You're grasping at straws if you're going to criticize a dude dropping 42/13/12 in Game 7 of the Finals

[Dray n Klay]

You're grasping at straws if you're going to criticize a dude dropping 42/13/12 in Game 7 of the Finals

But Wilt gets a pass averaging 12 ppg while shooting < 40% from the FT line :lol :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

You're grasping at straws if you're going to criticize a dude dropping 42/13/12 in Game 7 of the Finals

No more than those that would criticize a player who put up an 18-27-10 game seven, and on a game high .656 TS%...all while holding his HOF peer to a 6-21 .342 TS% game (and doing so with his incompetent coach keeping him on the bench in the last five minutes of that two point loss.)

[LAZERUSS]

But Wilt gets a pass averaging 12 ppg while shooting < 40% from the FT line :lol :roll:


Again... a game seven with an 18-27-10 stat line and on a game high .656 TS% , while holding his HOF counterpart to a 6-21 .342 TS% game.

[Da Real Lambo]

He joined Wade, a proven champ who won on his first finals. Kyrie would end up winning his first finals too. Lebeta's gift is to collude wisely in order to avoid more 0-4 finals sweeps :lol

pd: Op is a piece of shit.