Hakeem is the 3rd Greatest Player of All Time

[TrueBlue89]

Behind Jordan & LeBron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22O2lApCBBs

He's the most skilled Big Man of all time & arguably the GOAT defensive Center. This would be widely accepted if he wasn't cursed with a garbage supporting cast for most of his career.

[Cold soul]

I love Hakeem but he's not even 3rd best center of all time. I'll take Kareem, Russell, Wilt, and Shaq before Hakeem.

[Big164]

Hakeem didn't need a top 3 guard to win rings

Gtfoh with that Lebron top 10 mess...11 at best

[SouBeachTalents]

Hakeem didn't need a top 3 guard to win rings

Gtfoh with that Lebron top 10 mess...11 at best

We're not talking about Wilt's Finals ppg

[TheWinningFam]

Hakeem didn't need a top 3 guard to win rings

Gtfoh with that Lebron top 10 mess...11 at best
We can play this ''so and so didn't need this to win'' game all day

At the end of the day 3>2 by your logic.

[TheWinningFam]

We're not talking about Wilt's Finals ppg
:roll: :roll:

[Nilocon165]

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[Nilocon165]

We're not talking about Wilt's Finals ppg
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[warriorfan]

Hakeem won back 2 back titles without collusion

[TheWinningFam]

Hakeem won back 2 back titles without collusion
rockets ''colluded'' by adding clyde drexler :coleman:

[warriorfan]

rockets ''colluded'' by adding clyde drexler :coleman:
32 Year old Clyde was way past his prime

otoh


https://s31.postimg.org/d9ndpvc63/lebroncollude.jpg

[TheWinningFam]

32 Year old Cl]yde was way past his prime

otoh


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[Cold soul]

Hakeem won back 2 back titles without collusion

Yeah because Jordan wasn't playing those years he decided to go chase his baseball dream that turned out so well. MJ could've easily won 8 rings. I really wanted to see Bulls vs Rockets in the Finals however.

[Prometheus]

Wtf? No he is not. Moron.

[Big164]

Hakeem won back 2 back titles without collusion
Only smart guy on this forum tbh



It shouldn't take intelligence to reLize tho that hakeem won without piggybacking g Kyrie/Wade tho. I'm dumb and even I know that

[TheWinningFam]

Only smart guy on this forum tbh



It shouldn't take intelligence to reLize tho that hakeem won without piggybacking g Kyrie/Wade tho. I'm dumb and even I know that
So leading your team in every statistical category is piggy backing, k.

[Kblaze8855]

Given a 120 team mega league with 4 divisions of 30 you have to be champion of to get into a single elimination final 4.....with all the top 200 players ever in the mega league?

Hakeem at his best would be right there with Jordan, Kareem, Bird, Lebron, and some others.....as someone people would argue is top 5.

He would be in the conversation.....if everyone is in one league....no legacies...no nostalgia...just basketball?

Plenty of people would rank him top 5 in such a league.

[LAZERUSS]

We're not talking about Wilt's Finals ppg

The Wilt who was carrying his teams further against the greatest dynasty in NBA history, than any other team did, and did so while putting up 22-25-7, 22-32-10, 28-30, 29-28, 30-31, 31-27, and 34-27 series against them? Putting up multiple 40+ point games against them, including massive 46-34 and even 50-35 games against them?

Yep... 11 ppg Finals scorer alright.

Of course, Chamberlain hung an 11 ppg series on the defending champion Bucks, and his IMPACT was FAR greater than the Jester's 36 ppg in his '15 Finals.

[TheWinningFam]

The Wilt who was carrying his teams further against the greatest dynasty in NBA history, than any other team did, and did so while putting up 22-25-7, 22-32-10, 28-30, 30-31, 31-27, and 34-27 series against them? Putting up multiple 40+ point games against them, including massive 46-34 and even 50-35 games against them?

Yep... 11 ppg Finals scorer alright.

Of course, Chamberlain hung an 11 ppg series on the defending champion Bucks, and his IMPACT was FAR greater than the Jester's 36 ppg in his '15 Finals.
The fukk are you talking about? Without lebron leading in every category production the cavs get swept. http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/heh.png

[tpols]

not even close ...

he won his first title in watered down league post MJ, where a similarly built knicks team was beat by a coin flip .. pat ewing could've easily gotten all that praise , his teammates just werent as up to par at the time by a shot or two.

and the second title, he had Clyde Drexler looking back to his all pro self and peaking in the playoffs.. while guys like David Robinson were literally carrying bums on their back. But people still run with the no help narrative.

Hakeem is borderline top 10.



there are already case studies out there showing the Dream doesnt even have an argument over Kobe Bean Bryant for careers. link (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=414530)

[Young X]

^ They beat multiple 55-60 win teams with multiple HOF players and coaches.

Stockton & Malone twice
Barkley & KJ twice
MVP Robinson
Ewing
Shaq & Penny

Nothing about that is "watered down".

Most of those series were on the road too.

Oh yeah, and the Rockets were like 9-0 in elimination games.

It's an extremely impressive run.

[LAZERUSS]

The fukk are you talking about? Without lebron leading in every category production the cavs get swept. http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/heh.png

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Putting up 36 ppg on 32 FGAs and being SINGLED the ENTIRE series. And when the Warriors put Iggy on him, he was shooting 25%. Most over-rated POS performance in Finals history.

Meanwhile, Chamberlain was UNIVERSALLY acknowledged as being THE reason that the next great dynasty never got off the ground. Reduced a peak Kareem to a Lepuke like .414 FG in the last four pivotal games of the '72 WCF's.

[smoove1986]

why does it always have to be "top xy of ALL TIME"? why do we compare players of total different eras to each other? why there should be always a "top of the mountain" ???

we know that michael jordan was probably the most talented basketball player in human history. ok. he did things other players could only imagine of. we got it. but why should wilt chamberlain be considered over shaq? why should hakeem be better than david robinson? you will always find arguments for each party.
just accept that every era has it own legends. you can't compare them to each other. every era had it own play styles, defence and so on. we just don't know how a Jordan or lebron would perform in the 60's or vice versa how wilt would do nowadays. deal with it and just enjoy the beauty of the game without making a competition out of every thing.

hakeem was one of a kind.
so were ewing, kareem, wilt, shaq, robinson and so on.

[houston]

no hes not by far Hakeem top 20

[tpols]

^ They beat multiple 55-60 win teams with multiple HOF players and coaches.

Stockton & Malone twice
Barkley & KJ twice
MVP Robinson
Ewing
Shaq & Penny

Nothing about that is "watered down".

Most of those series were on the road too.

Oh yeah, and the Rockets were like 9-0 in elimination games.

It's an extremely impressive run.


yup.. Hakeem had a Dirk like run.. and that's great, but the guys at the tippy top of these lists have done more much longer. Hakeem has little to speak of historically outside a two year period.. a top 5-10 player in most years for just that decade.. so top 3 all time is just insanity.

[TheWinningFam]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Putting up 36 ppg on 32 FGAs and being SINGLED the ENTIRE series. And when the Warriors put Iggy on him, he was shooting 25%. Most over-rated POS performance in Finals history.

Meanwhile, Chamberlain was UNIVERSALLY acknowledged as being THE reason that the next great dynasty never got off the ground. Reduced a peak Kareem to a Lepuke like .414 FG in the last four pivotal games of the '72 WCF's.So you are saying 11ppg is better than 36 ppg and leading in every stat category? :biggums:

[MiseryCityTexas]

Given a 120 team mega league with 4 divisions of 30 you have to be champion of to get into a single elimination final 4.....with all the top 200 players ever in the mega league?

Hakeem at his best would be right there with Jordan, Kareem, Bird, Lebron, and some others.....as someone people would argue is top 5.

He would be in the conversation.....if everyone is in one league....no legacies...no nostalgia...just basketball?

Plenty of people would rank him top 5 in such a league.

People still keep throwing Hakeem under the bus just because he played in Houston. I bet if Hakeem woulda played his whole career, in New York, or LA, everyone would be all on his nuts.

[CuhGetsBucks]

why does it always have to be "top xy of ALL TIME"? why do we compare players of total different eras to each other? why there should be always a "top of the mountain" ???

we know that michael jordan was probably the most talented basketball player in human history. ok. he did things other players could only imagine of. we got it. but why should wilt chamberlain be considered over shaq? why should hakeem be better than david robinson? you will always find arguments for each party.
just accept that every era has it own legends. you can't compare them to each other. every era had it own play styles, defence and so on. we just don't know how a Jordan or lebron would perform in the 60's or vice versa how wilt would do nowadays. deal with it and just enjoy the beauty of the game without making a competition out of every thing.

hakeem was one of a kind.
so were ewing, kareem, wilt, shaq, robinson and so on.
It's funny how the only reasonable post was ignored :roll:

[TrueBlue89]

not even close ...

he won his first title in watered down league post MJ, where a similarly built knicks team was beat by a coin flip .. pat ewing could've easily gotten all that praise , his teammates just werent as up to par at the time by a shot or two.

and the second title, he had Clyde Drexler looking back to his all pro self and peaking in the playoffs.. while guys like David Robinson were literally carrying bums on their back. But people still run with the no help narrative.

Hakeem is borderline top 10.



there are already case studies out there showing the Dream doesnt even have an argument over Kobe Bean Bryant for careers. link (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=414530)
Ewing shot 39% in the 94 Finals genius. The only reason why that series went to 7 games is because of the Dumpster fire supporting cast Hakeem had.

[LAZERUSS]

So you are saying 11ppg is better than 36 ppg and leading in every stat category? :biggums:

Easily. And this nonsense about leading in every category. How about eFG%, or TS%, or TRB%?

I didn't expect LeChoke to carry that roster to a title, no more than Chamberlain should have in the vast majority of his post-seasons, but geez, to just shotjack at such a horrific rate. Allen Iverson would have done no worse than the Jester in that series.

And yes, Iguadala was a DESERVING FMVP. He completely shut down LePuke when he defended him one-on-one. It was downright embarrassing.


As for Wilt in '72...you would have to have been around following the Bucks overwhelming '71 season (and post-season.) They were a young team with a young, but peak Kareem, and were expected to be the next great dynasty.

A 35 year old Wilt, playing on a surgically repaired knee, chopped down the giant, and he was never the same again. Nor were the Bucks. A few years later Milwaukee traded him to the Lakers, where he languished for a few seasons, until Magic arrived.

[rmt]

Hakeem doesn't have the resume to be 3rd on a GOAT list.

[tpols]

Ewing shot 39% in the 94 Finals genius. The only reason why that series went to 7 games is because of the Dumpster fire supporting cast Hakeem had.

pat ewing wasnt a glitz and glamour pretty boy player like hakeem.. His game was gritty and intangible, which is why he was able to lead his squad to perenial contention with a grocery bag boy as his second option.

[AirBonner]

No way in hell is he better then Shaq :roll:

[bizil]

In terms of peak, I have the Dream in my top ten of all time: (no particular order):

MJ
Wilt
Bron
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Kobe
Hakeem
Big O

But GOAT wise, he's in the top 12-15 range. In terms of centers, u gotta have Russ, Wilt, Shaq, and Kareem ahead of him in that regard. But before Kobe, Bron, Shaq, and Duncan rose up the charts, the Dream was a bonafide top 10 GOAT legend. But he was NEVER anywhere close to being the 3rd GOAT. But ULTIMATELY, I think Hakeem is the MOST GIFTED center of all time in terms of overall attributes. When u factor his athletic ability, fundamentals, scoring skillset, and defensive ability, nobody else combined those facets better.

[ClipperRevival]

Hakeem is the most complete C ever, and to me, it's not even close. And peak wise, when you look at his 2 year championship run, when you consider offense/defense and era played in, he is arguably top 5-7 ever. He took down Ewing, DRob and Shaq and had the most impressive playoff run EVER when considering team seeding (1994-95). Dude's an underrated legend.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

In terms of peak, I have the Dream in my top ten of all time: (no particular order):

MJ
Wilt
Bron
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Kobe
Hakeem
Big O

But GOAT wise, he's in the top 12-15 range. In terms of centers, u gotta have Russ, Wilt, Shaq, and Kareem ahead of him in that regard. But before Kobe, Bron, Shaq, and Duncan rose up the charts, the Dream was a bonafide top 10 GOAT legend. But he was NEVER anywhere close to being the 3rd GOAT. But ULTIMATELY, I think Hakeem is the MOST GIFTED center of all time in terms of overall attributes. When u factor his athletic ability, fundamentals, scoring skillset, and defensive ability, nobody else combined those facets better.

:biggums:

[aj1987]

Lol! Not even close.

Lets rank just centers:

1. KAJ
2. Shaq
3. BR
4. Hakeem
5. Robinson

All players:

1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Shaq
4. LeBron
5. Magic
6. BR
7. Duncan
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

Yep. As tpols said, Hakeem is barely #10.

[IGOTGAME]

Given a 120 team mega league with 4 divisions of 30 you have to be champion of to get into a single elimination final 4.....with all the top 200 players ever in the mega league?

Hakeem at his best would be right there with Jordan, Kareem, Bird, Lebron, and some others.....as someone people would argue is top 5.

He would be in the conversation.....if everyone is in one league....no legacies...no nostalgia...just basketball?

Plenty of people would rank him top 5 in such a league.

would they continue to rank him that high after losing to inferior teams?

[Dragonyeuw]

yup.. Hakeem had a Dirk like run.. and that's great, but the guys at the tippy top of these lists have done more much longer. Hakeem has little to speak of historically outside a two year period.. a top 5-10 player in most years for just that decade.. so top 3 all time is just insanity.
Hakeems legacy was boosted big time by that 2 year period, just as David Robinsons took a hit from that series when Hakeem torched him. Outside of that one series, Hakeem and the Admiral battled each other very very closely.

[ArbitraryWater]

Ewing shot 39% in the 94 Finals genius. The only reason why that series went to 7 games is because of the Dumpster fire supporting cast Hakeem had.

I swear tpols lost all his brain cells during the Cavs comeback... dude still isnt right :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

In terms of peak, I have the Dream in my top ten of all time: (no particular order):

MJ
Wilt
Bron
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Kobe
Hakeem
Big O

But GOAT wise, he's in the top 12-15 range. In terms of centers, u gotta have Russ, Wilt, Shaq, and Kareem ahead of him in that regard. But before Kobe, Bron, Shaq, and Duncan rose up the charts, the Dream was a bonafide top 10 GOAT legend. But he was NEVER anywhere close to being the 3rd GOAT. But ULTIMATELY, I think Hakeem is the MOST GIFTED center of all time in terms of overall attributes. When u factor his athletic ability, fundamentals, scoring skillset, and defensive ability, nobody else combined those facets better.

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[Sakkreth]

Maybe not top 3, but underrated. People having Kobe above him :oldlol:

[SwayDizzle]

hakeem and lebron are def in the same tier. Hakeem #11 GOAT, Lebron #10 after his most recent win that put him in the top ten. amazing feat. his fans must be proud to now support a top ten legend.

[LAZERUSS]

1. Wilt
2. MJ
3, Magic
4. Kareem
5. Russell

6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Lechoke

9. Kobe
10. Bird
11. Dr. J
12. Moses
13. Hakeem