Who assisted on highest proportion of Bulls FG's in playoffs during 6-peat?

[3ball]

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Jordan did, as the stats show here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49).. This shouldn't be a surprise, since he led the Bulls in APG for most playoff runs.

The remarkable thing is that he led the Bulls in passing while carrying the biggest scoring load ever, BY FAR - no all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series of their careers, EXCEPT Jordan, who did so by an average margin of 15.4 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) ppg.

This is why it's funny when a new fan says that Jordan's teams were IDEALLY built around him - obviously, it isn't IDEAL for anyone to carry such a goat scoring load, while also leading the team in passing, while also being the best defender ever at their position.. Obviously, that isn't IDEAL.. :rolleyes:

[J Shuttlesworth]

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[sdot_thadon]

6-peat.

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[SouBeachTalents]

1-9

[GrapeApe]

There was no 6-peat, and Pippen led the Bulls in apg and assist% in the second 3-peat. You've done this before, but you're trying to apply stats from the first 3-peat to the second 3-peat to make it look like Jordan was the top assist man for each championship run. It's completely disingenuous.

[Spurs m8]

GOAT gon GOAT tbh

I must admit, its f*ckin funny watching c*nts try discredit it...clearly jumped on basketball later than the Jordan era yet still have the audacity to try spin things to suit their poor version of events.

[3ball]

Pippen led the Bulls in apg and assist% in the second 3-peat.



You must not have clicked the OP's links son!!!.. :kobe: :yaohappy:



Assist Percentage 1991-1993 Playoffs:

Jordan: 31.1%
Pippen: 23.3%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced



Assist Percentage 1996-1998 Playoffs:

Jordan: 22.3%
Pippen: 22.0%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced




As you can see, JORDAN led the Bulls in assist % for both 3-peats, so he assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals during their 6 title runs

[AirBonner]

There was no 6peat

[3ball]

There was no 6peat


I used the term "6-peat" because that's the only expression that would fit into the title.

Nonetheless, it WAS a 6-peat if we're only considering full seasons that Jordan played, not seasons he took off, or seasons where he only played 17 games at the end.

Regardless of the semantics, Jordan assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals in the playoffs during their 6 title runs.

Ultimately, no franchise player should be required to have the GOAT scoring load (by far) AND lead the team in passing while also playing the best defense ever at their position - that is NOT a team that's built "ideally" around the franchise player.. (however, making this crucial point that the Bulls were NOT ideally built first requires showing that Jordan led the team in passing, hence the thread title).

[bigkingsfan]

Why would it be shocking with the #1 usage all time player.

[AirBonner]

Jordan was never REQUIRED to have the goat scoring load. His teammates were quite capable despite your slander towards them. It comes down to selfishness. Jordan was selfish and arrogant. That is why they won 50+ games without him.

[GrapeApe]

You must not have clicked the OP's links son!!!.. :kobe: :yaohappy:



Assist Percentage 1991-1993 Playoffs:

Jordan: 31.1%
Pippen: 23.3%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced



Assist Percentage 1996-1998 Playoffs:

Jordan: 22.3%
Pippen: 22.0%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced




As you can see, JORDAN led the Bulls in assist % for both 3-peats, so he assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals during their 6 title runs

Pippen led the Bulls in apg in '92, '96, and '98. He led the Bulls in assist % in '96 and '98.

Point is, Jordan was not the top assist man for every title run.

[3ball]

Point is, Jordan was not the top assist man for every title run.


Point is, when we look at the 6 title runs OVERALL, Jordan assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals during their 6 title runs, and therefore led the Bulls in passing when looking at the 6 runs OVERALL..

Obviously, overall is what matters.

Ultimately, no franchise player should be required to have the GOAT scoring load (by far) AND lead the team in passing while also playing the best defense ever at their position - that is NOT a team that's built "ideally" around the franchise player.. (however, making this crucial point that the Bulls were NOT ideally built first requires showing that Jordan led the team in passing, hence the thread title).

[3ball]

Jordan was never REQUIRED to have the goat scoring load.

His teammates were quite capable despite your slander towards them.



We know for a FACT that Jordan was required to score that much, because his teammates played to full capacity alongside him:



PIPPEN 1992:. 21.0 ppg.. 7.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg
PIPPEN 1994:. 22.0 ppg.. 8.7 rpg.. 5.6 apg

GRANT 1992:. 14/10
GRANT 1994:. 15/10


Jordan simply added his GOAT production to what was already there, without diminishing anything - that's why the Bulls were a 2nd Round team without him, but the GOAT team with him.. :confusedshrug:
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[livingby3's]

a lowkey LeBron fan trying to make people hate on Jordan

[GrapeApe]

Point is, when we look at the 6 title runs OVERALL, Jordan assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals during their 6 title runs, and therefore led the Bulls in passing when looking at the 6 runs OVERALL..

Obviously, overall is what matters.

Ultimately, no franchise player should be required to have the GOAT scoring load (by far) AND lead the team in passing while also playing the best defense ever at their position - that is NOT a team that's built "ideally" around the franchise player.. (however, making this crucial point that the Bulls were NOT ideally built first requires showing that Jordan led the team in passing, hence the thread title).


No, overall is not what matters. You can't apply stats across seasons. That's ridiculous. Every season is completely independent of each other. The Bulls' '91 title run has absolutely nothing to do with their '98 title run, and so on.

Spin it all you want, but Pippen was the top assist guy in 3 of their 6 title runs. Period. GTFOH with that "6 title runs as a whole" garbage. Nobody looks at it that way. It's disingenuous, misleading, and logically flawed.

[3ball]

Spin it all you want


You're the one spinning - overall is what matters.. :kobe: :yaohappy:



Assist Percentage 1991-1993 Playoffs:

Jordan: 31.1%
Pippen: 23.3%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced



Assist Percentage 1996-1998 Playoffs:

Jordan: 22.3%
Pippen: 22.0%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced




As you can see, JORDAN led the Bulls in assist % for both 3-peats, so he assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals during their 6 title runs
.

[3ball]

a lowkey LeBron fan trying to make people hate on Jordan


Ultimately, no franchise player should be required to have the GOAT scoring load (by far) AND lead the team in passing while also playing the best defense ever at their position - that is NOT a team that's built "ideally" around the franchise player..

(however, making this crucial point that the Bulls were NOT ideally-built first requires showing that Jordan led the team in passing, hence the thread title).

[NBAGOAT]

who went missing once KBlaze ethered him?

Hint: The answer is as obvious as the answer to your question.

[GrapeApe]

You're the one spinning - overall is what matters.. :kobe: :yaohappy:



Assist Percentage 1991-1993 Playoffs:

Jordan: 31.1%
Pippen: 23.3%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced



Assist Percentage 1996-1998 Playoffs:

Jordan: 22.3%
Pippen: 22.0%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced




As you can see, JORDAN led the Bulls in assist % for both 3-peats, so he assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals during their 6 title runs
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I'm not spinning anything. I'm looking at things the way any reasonably intelligent person does, and you're the one with the agenda. Jordan led the Bulls in assists for 3 title runs, Pippen led the Bulls in assists for 3 title runs.

[3ball]

I'm looking at things the way any reasonably intelligent person does


You're in embarrassing denial - the reason we look at CAREER stats is because it shows and OVERALL picture - everyone knows this, so you look silly trying to argue that the overall stats aren't the most important thing.

So who assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals OVERALL during the 6 title runs... Jordan.. That's who..

Ultimately, no franchise player should be required to have the GOAT scoring load (by far) AND lead the team in passing while also playing the best defense ever at their position - that isn't a team that's built "ideally" around the franchise player..

(however, making this crucial point that the Bulls were NOT ideally-built first requires showing that Jordan led the team in passing, hence the thread title).

[AirBonner]

We know for a FACT that Jordan was required to score that much, because his teammates played to full capacity alongside him:



PIPPEN 1992:. 21.0 ppg.. 7.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg
PIPPEN 1994:. 22.0 ppg.. 8.7 rpg.. 5.6 apg

GRANT 1992:. 14/10
GRANT 1994:. 15/10


Jordan simply added his GOAT production to what was already there, without diminishing anything - that's why the Bulls were a 2nd Round team without him, but the GOAT team with him.. :confusedshrug:
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when the bulls won 55 games without Jordan why was the drop off from the previous season only two games? Was Jordan's GOAT scoring load only worth two games ? :confusedshrug:

[GrapeApe]

You're in embarrassing denial - the reason we look at CAREER stats is because it shows and OVERALL picture - everyone knows this, so you look silly trying to argue that the overall stats aren't the most important thing.

So who assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals OVERALL during the 6 title runs... Jordan.. That's who..

Ultimately, no franchise player should be required to have the GOAT scoring load (by far) AND lead the team in passing while also playing the best defense ever at their position - that isn't a team that's built "ideally" around the franchise player..

(however, making this crucial point that the Bulls were NOT ideally-built first requires showing that Jordan led the team in passing, hence the thread title).

I'm in denial? :oldlol:

I'd venture to say that there isn't a single person who would agree with your logic over mine. Not one.

By your dumbass logic, a player could lead his team in assists for one title run, not register a single assist in the next 5 title runs, and still conceivably be "the overall assist leader for 6 titles". It's absurd.

The only logical way to look at it is on an individual season basis. You damn well know it too.

[3ball]

Was Jordan's GOAT scoring load only worth two games ? :confusedshrug:


The 1994 team had a chip on their shoulder and was playing WAY harder than the 1993 team, who was half-assing the regular season to conserve energy for the 3-peat - that's why the 1993 team elevated in the playoffs and beat two 60-win teams, while Jordan's stats SKYROCKETED

And Jordan wasn't only worth 2 games - he was the difference between a 2nd Round team and the best team ever.. :confusedshrug:

And of course, it wasn't just Jordan's goat scoring... :facepalm ... In the playoffs, he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats, as shown here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals during the 6 title runs.. while also playing the best defense ever at his position.

Ultimately, no franchise player should ever be required to carry the goat scoring load (by far), AND lead the team in passing, AND play the best defense ever at his position.. That's far from "ideal" and proves that it's ludicrous to say that his team was "ideally" built around him.





why did the Bulls drop off in 1995


The main reason the Bulls dropped off in 1995 is that reality set in during the 94' playoffs and burst their bubble - it was no longer this cumbaya, happy time where everyone banded together to prove they were good without MJ.. They were no longer saying "We're still 3-peat champs.. We'll show that we're great without MJ"... By 1995, that ship had sailed.

Indeed, after never losing in the playoffs for 3 straight years WITH Jordan, their first year WITHOUT Jordan resulted in a 2nd Round loss.. So the difference was obvious, and now the goal that banded everyone together the year before (proving themselves) WAS GONE.. :(

[3ball]

By your dumbass logic, a player could lead his team in assists for one title run, not register a single assist in the next 5 title runs, and still conceivably be "the overall assist leader for 6 titles".



Again, based on your logic above, no one should ever look at career stats when comparing players since 1 season can tilt everything.

But the statistical reality is that 1 season CAN'T change everything - if a player averages 12 apg for 1 season, and then zero for 5 seasons, then his average is 2 apg - this wouldn't make him the team's leading assist man, so your logic is statistically wrong.

Your logic is ALSO wrong because Jordan led the Bulls in playoff assist percentage for 4 of 6 title runs (and also 88, 89, and 90'), so your scenario of him doing it once is false.





I'm in denial?


Yes.. It's embarrassing, and I just crushed you in the response above, so never make that dumb argument again.. or you'll be crushed by 3ball again..

Again, here's the overall stats that everyone pays attention to when evaluating performance of 2 players over an extended time period:

During the 1st three-peat (1991-1993 playoffs), Jordan's assist percentage was 31.1% to Pippen's 23.1%, and Jordan's advantage was 22.3% to 22.0% during the 2nd three-peat (1996-1998 playoffs).

So Jordan assisted on the highest proportion of Bulls' field goals during the 6 title runs and everyone knows that's all that matters.