Why Does Wiggins Get So Much Hate?

[FireDavidKahn]

He was viewed as a raw (project) prospect coming out of college.

He hasn't done one thing to get the hate he gets right now.

-Won ROY
-21 PPG on 46% as a 20 year old
-Elite, might be the best, spin move when near the lane
-Great at drawing fouls

:confusedshrug:

Only Shaq, LBJ, Tyreke, Durant, Anthony Davis, Adrian Dantley, Elton Brand and Carmelo have ever scored >20 ppg as a 20 year old or younger in history

:confusedshrug:

Ya, he isn't a well rounded out superstar yet but FFS he is 20 and drastically improved from his rookie to sophomore year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Zn74ym4TI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpizBiJCrkI

:biggums:

[Lord P]

Well my main issue with him is that he still hasn't developed that star mwntality yet. The kind that you saw in a young KD, Kyrie, and Lillard. With the addition of KAT on the team, I'm not quite sure if he will ever develop it.

[FireDavidKahn]

Well my main issue with him is that he still hasn't developed that star mwntality yet. The kind that you saw in a young KD, Kyrie, and Lillard. With the addition of KAT on the team, I'm not quite sure if he will ever develop it.
And honestly, that would be completely fine. Not every #1 pick has to turn out to be an alpha dog superstar.

KAT has already taken it upon himself to become the team leader. He literally has said in an interview that he wants and in some ways already sees himself as the team leader. Said he talked to lots of HOF guys to see what it takes to be a great leader.

Even Ricky has said that this team is KAT's

And all of that is ok, Wiggins doesn't have to be that.

Wiggins can be Wiggins and he is capable of taking over the scoring load when needed. He was clutch as **** last year and every once in a while you will see his vicious side come out during those clutch sessions.

[FireDavidKahn]

But yes, if your expectation of Wiggins was to be an alpha dog superstar and that anything else would be a failure...then your hate is justified.:confusedshrug:

[BigKAT]

I absolutly love his spin move.
He trademarked it, and his ability to go up for a dunk afterwards, with contact, one just sheer bouncbility, is one of the coolest moves I've seen. (Some Prime Wade shit.)

And when I see his games he seems rather polished.

My main (And only) problems with him is this:
Shouldn't a guy so athletic be a better rebounder?
Shouldn't a guy with such high usage have more assists?

I have seen him pull off some nice passing moves.
Like when he drove in with a few seconds left and passed all the way across to Rubio for a 3PT game winning shot against the thunder.

He -can- pass.
He -can- rebound.

It's really desire at this point.
If this guy -wanted- to, I feel like he could be a least a 20/5/3 Guy.
Yet he wasn't, he was 20/3/2.

To me that's just desire and effort.
He's super talented and one of the most exciting players we have, I think thibs will do him good.

His leadership is quiet and calm, which is very important since KAT is cheery and gleeful to an almost childish extreme (If you've seen him play he just looks so darn happy to be there at times, superstar or not), so I think these two will fit well.

Good Topic, OP.

[Haymaker]

He's getting hated on because many people expected him to blow up out of the gate. Like someone said above, the kid is ONLY 20 YEARS OLD for fvcks sake. He'll get there.

[ClipperRevival]

His rebounding numbers were historically bad last year for a guy with his size/athleticism (3.6 rpg at 35.1 mpg). Not to mention, a measly 2.0 apg. The talent is there but he needs to be more well rounded. And I do question his heart/desire somewhat. All the talent in the world doesn't matter if you don't have that fire in your belly that makes you WANT to go get it. Some have it, some don't.

[HurricaneKid]

The one thing we were SURE he was coming out of college with was a high level defensive edge. Given his impressive athleticism, everyone was expecting a lot from him on that side of the court. He was a worse defender last year than he was as a HS Sr. And you just can't have that while talking about a players upside. THIS is why people question his motor.

Offensively, he is still really limited to putting the ball in the basket. His vision is questionable at best. His reb/asst totals are just a mess given his usage and athleticism.

He is going to be in the league for a long time, without a doubt. But the goal for 20 year olds is development. And he has the same questions he had coming out of school and has even added a few more.

[CTbasketball92]

Well my main issue with him is that he still hasn't developed that star mwntality yet. The kind that you saw in a young KD, Kyrie, and Lillard. With the addition of KAT on the team, I'm not quite sure if he will ever develop it.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. What I saw in KD, Kyrie and Lillard was more skills, not a matter of mentality. Wiggins has always stepped it up in big games even in college. I think he just sort of lacks the dynamite skillset of the others. I knew those guys would all be superstars/perennial all stars after their first season. Wiggins? I'm sort o projecting him to make 2-3 all star teams.

[CelticBaller]

They keep forgetting he's only 20 years old

[PeroAntic]

His game is just ugly as f*ck. Shitty ball handling and weird looking jumpshot. Even that famous spin move is always to the right and followed by some dunk. no variety in his footwork.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctWlKmEGfF8

Compare with this guy. Elegant and smooth as f*ck.

[CelticBaller]

Kevin Durant averaged only 5 rebounds (as a 6'10 SF) and 3 assists while playing bigger minutes around the same age


People need to chill

[ClipperRevival]

They keep forgetting he's only 20 years old

He's 21 and 4 months away from turning 22.

[ClipperRevival]

The one thing we were SURE he was coming out of college with was a high level defensive edge. Given his impressive athleticism, everyone was expecting a lot from him on that side of the court. He was a worse defender last year than he was as a HS Sr. And you just can't have that while talking about a players upside. THIS is why people question his motor.

Offensively, he is still really limited to putting the ball in the basket. His vision is questionable at best. His reb/asst totals are just a mess given his usage and athleticism.

He is going to be in the league for a long time, without a doubt. But the goal for 20 year olds is development. And he has the same questions he had coming out of school and has even added a few more.

All accurate. Even if his offense wasn't polished, his D was supposed to be elite right away. But D is about desire/effort and he obviously lacks in that department, at least so far.

Not saying he's some bust or dud but I need to see that fire from him. And once that effort gets amped up, the rest of his game will follow, including the reb/ast/stls.

[CelticBaller]

He's 21 and 4 months away from turning 22.
And your point is?

Still young AF. I wish Jaylen Brown was putting those stats so early in his career. Breaking news, players take time to develop, not everybody can come out like Jordan or Lebron in their first few years. There's guys like Curry who need to find their niche first before breaking out. Trust me, Paul Pierce was around the same when he first got drafted

[Lord P]

I'm not sure what you mean by this. What I saw in KD, Kyrie and Lillard was more skills, not a matter of mentality. Wiggins has always stepped it up in big games even in college. I think he just sort of lacks the dynamite skillset of the others. I knew those guys would all be superstars/perennial all stars after their first season. Wiggins? I'm sort o projecting him to make 2-3 all star teams.
When watching Wiggins, he doesn't seem like the type that has a competetive fire to him. I wont say he doesn't try in games, but with someone as talented as him you just know he can perform better than he does. Especially when it comes to things such as rebounding. But again, I feel like it's the intangibles that he's lacking in

[Kblaze8855]

This is you barely 250 minutes into Okafors career:



I'm criticizing him for not impacting the game. He is another Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Big Al (without the rebounding) and Love (without the rebounding). If you're happy building your team around that, then go for it.


6 games into his career....at 19...you made this topic hating on him:



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=389213


But now its "FFS hes 20"?

[Nastradamus]

He should be an elite defender, he isn't right now. Doesn't mean it won't come, but its a fair criticism.

His inability to get assists is concerning.

He got hot on 3s after the AS break last year, but he has to show a consistent 3 ball to be a star.

His rebounding numbers are also a concern.

[Smook A.]

Honestly, the only reason Wiggins got criticized was because of the TWolves W-L record, which is really stupid. I've seen some people also say that he's kinda selfish with ball and that he should try to be more involved with playmaking. The guys hating on him have no knowledge. He's probably 5 years from reaching his prime, and at 21 he's already a stud. The guy knows how to score, and his spin move is deadly. His stepback jumper is also very nice.

Think about it, Wiggins won't go anywhere but up. He'll only get better and better every year if he keeps putting in the work. I expect him to average around 23-24 ppg next season along with 6 rpg and 3 apg.

[CTbasketball92]

Honestly, the only reason Wiggins got criticized was because of the TWolves W-L record, which is really stupid. I've seen some people also say that he's kinda selfish with ball and that he should try to be more involved with playmaking. The guys hating on him have no knowledge. He's probably 5 years from reaching his prime, and at 21 he's already a stud. The guy knows how to score, and his spin move is deadly. His stepback jumper is also very nice.

Think about it, Wiggins won't go anywhere but up. He'll only get better and better every year if he keeps putting in the work. I expect him to average around 23-24 ppg next season along with 6 rpg and 3 apg.

I think Wiggins also gets a lot of slack because his style of play is underappreciated in today's game. He can't space the floor and he's a volume scorer who takes a lot of midrange jumpers and has a post game. He's one of the only wings that looks like he could be elite outside of the top 4.

I always forget how young he is. It just feels like he has no hoice but to get at least another level or two better than he is over the next 3 years. But I just don't see how when he's so un imaginative and unsmooth looking with the ball. With that said, his TS% was already above average for the league last year, even if it was barely.

[FireDavidKahn]

This is you barely 250 minutes into Okafors career:





6 games into his career....at 19...you made this topic hating on him:



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=389213


But now its "FFS hes 20"?
And that has nothing to do with this topic.

Try again.

[MrFonzworth]

Only Shaq, LBJ, Tyreke, Durant, Anthony Davis, Adrian Dantley, Elton Brand and Carmelo have ever scored >20 ppg as a 20 year old or younger in history

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What a pointless and worthless statistic to include.

[G-train]

Wonder if there is correlation between Wiggins hate and Lebron dick riders?

:)

[Kblaze8855]

And that has nothing to do with this topic.

Try again.


If you dont see the relevance I dont know what to tell you.

As you yourself made clear...nobody gives a **** how young people are. They find a reason to hate people who get hyped and arent full fledged superstars right away. You yourself did it in a 19 year olds first week of basketball. Why would you be shocked a few people do it with Wiggins and be in here talking about how young he is? If you dont care...why should anyone else? What....it makes sense when you hate on a guy 6 games into his career but others cant talk about a guy going into his 3rd season?