Scared cop shoots and kills 66 year old schizophrenic woman

[97 bulls]

Sgt. Hugh Barry responded to a 911 call about an emotionally disturbed person in The Bronx just after 6 p.m., when a neighbor complained that a woman was acting in an irrational manner, according to the NYPD.

About 10 minutes later, Barry entered the apartment to investigate and found Danner armed with a pair a scissors, according to cops. The sergeant convinced Danner to put the scissors down, but she then approached the officer and grabbed a baseball bat, police said.

The sergeant fired two shots from his revolver as Danner attempted to strike him with the baseball bat, police said. She was struck in the torso and transported to Jacobi Medical Center, where she was later pronounced dead.

PHOTO: An NYPD police sergeant shot and killed 66-year-old Deborah Danner Tuesday night after a neighbor called 911 saying she was acting in an irrational manner.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-failed-woman-shot-killed-sergeant-police-commissioner/story?id=42916864

[97 bulls]

Maybe they should hire that woman in Minnesota that actually knows how to interact with people

[Patrick Chewing]

Based on that description it looks like a justified shooting.

[97 bulls]

Based on that description it looks like a justified shooting.
Lol. So grown ass men can't subdue 66 year old women now?

[Patrick Chewing]

Lol. So grown ass men can't subdue 66 year old women now?


Dude, that's not how cops are trained.


Let me grab a baseball bat and swing it and hit you over the head with it. Guarantee you you'll be dead before you hit the ground.

And for as much respect as I have for you, you're cherrypicking dude. I wonder how many cops saved some lives today. Or I wonder how many cops were almost killed in the line of duty by a hardened criminal.

This is not a perfect world, but I will tell you that for every bad apple in the bunch, there's a whole bucket full of great ones.

[qrich]

So someone attempted to swing a baseball bat at an officer and was shot.

What is wrong again here?

Oh let me guess, she's black so the officer went in with the mindset of killing her and is a racist. Got it.

[Patrick Chewing]

So someone attempted to swing a baseball bat at an officer and was shot.

What is wrong again here?

Oh let me guess, she's black so the officer went in with the mindset of killing her and is a racist. Got it.

The officer is supposed to run away from her until her oxygen tank goes dry before he can even begin to reason with her and talk it out. Then after talking it out, he can throw the cuffs at her and hopefully convince her to put them on herself.


Everyone holding a baseball bat and coming in your direction must be given a chance to put the bat down and handcuff themselves.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Tasers are ineffective against senior citizens

[97 bulls]

Dude, that's not how cops are trained.


Let me grab a baseball bat and swing it and hit you over the head with it. Guarantee you you'll be dead before you hit the ground.

And for as much respect as I have for you, you're cherrypicking dude. I wonder how many cops saved some lives today. Or I wonder how many cops were almost killed in the line of duty by a hardened criminal.

This is not a perfect world, but I will tell you that for every bad apple in the bunch, there's a whole bucket full of great ones.
She's 66 Pat. Come on. You don't think you could subdue a 66 year old woman? I mean really? His only recourse was to kill her? Wow.

[97 bulls]

So someone attempted to swing a baseball bat at an officer and was shot.

What is wrong again here?

Oh let me guess, she's black so the officer went in with the mindset of killing her and is a racist. Got it.
Your words. Not mine

[Patrick Chewing]

She's 66 Pat. Come on. You don't think you could subdue a 66 year old woman? I mean really? His only recourse was to kill her? Wow.


Unfortunately that's not the way it works. Anyone of any age can be a threat and can kill someone. I'm not saying I welcome these outcomes, but these outcomes should be expected. Ultimately, it's the fault of the woman for putting herself in that situation.

At the rate you're going though with these cases, you're going to start campaigning for the disarmament of the police, and that is a very bad idea.

[warriorfan]

Patrick is scared of old ladies :lol

[iamgine]

Sad as it was, this cop might be doing her a favor.

[qrich]

Your words. Not mine

Your clear intentions.

[NumberSix]

If she was white, I could see it being problem, but she's not. So what's the big deal?

97 Bulls actually believes that this^ is how everyone else thinks.
:confusedshrug:

[97 bulls]

Your clear intentions.
If it were my intention to make this a race thing, I would have said it. I never even mentioned that the woman was black. You did. Here's my point. I've posted before that I feel many of these so called officers are not capable or qualified to be police officers. They are scared. Too scared for this line of work. In this case cowardly. Now here's where we always disagree. We both see a situation. I say the police could've handled it better, you say the officer had no recourse. THEN I will say, they don't shoot white people under those circumstances. They always try to deescalate the situation first. I've even made threads showing officers using their reasoning skills to calm a situation down.


This officer may have killed her because she was black, but I'm trying to give benefit of the doubt here. Here's my point, if that were his 66 year old mother. Or grandmother, I'm sure he would've tried to subdue her.

[UK2K]

She's 66 Pat. Come on. You don't think you could subdue a 66 year old woman? I mean really? His only recourse was to kill her? Wow.

It doesn't matter. You treat everyone the same, because that's how you don't die.

What would have happened if he didn't shoot, and she connected on her swing? What if he was knocked unconscious? She takes his gun, blows his head off, and now has a loaded gun and plenty of rounds to continue her rampage?

Then you'd be here bitching about how some cop got his ass beat by a 66 year old woman, and allowed her to take his gun and use it to kill others and the department should be disbanded and burned to the ground.

[qrich]

If it were my intention to make this a race thing, I would have said it. I never even mentioned that the woman was black. You did. Here's my point. I've posted before that I feel many of these so called officers are not capable or qualified to be police officers. They are scared. Too scared for this line of work. In this case cowardly. Now here's where we always disagree. We both see a situation. I say the police could've handled it better, you say the officer had no recourse. THEN I will say, they don't shoot white people under those circumstances. They always try to deescalate the situation first. I've even made threads showing officers using their reasoning skills to calm a situation down.


This officer may have killed her because she was black, but I'm trying to give benefit of the doubt here. Here's my point, if that were his 66 year old mother. Or grandmother, I'm sure he would've tried to subdue her.

You don't need to mention it here if you have a history of making such claims, even going as far as saying Kelly Thomas was being aggressive and resisting despite never seeing video evidence.

You want to vilify cops and paint them as racist when they are doing their jobs. He talked this lady to put down her scissors, but then she grabbed a bat, should he have waited to be hit first?

Sure, he might have, and if this were a white lady, you wouldn't be saying anything. If this were an asian lady, you wouldn't have known about it. If this were a hispanic lady, it'd get no coverage.

[warriorfan]

It doesn't matter. You treat everyone the same, because that's how you don't die.

What would have happened if he didn't shoot, and she connected on her swing? What if he was knocked unconscious? She takes his gun, blows his head off, and now has a loaded gun and plenty of rounds to continue her rampage?

Then you'd be here bitching about how some cop got his ass beat by a 66 year old woman, and allowed her to take his gun and use it to kill others and the department should be disbanded and burned to the ground.
If you can't disarm a 66 year old lady with a baseball bat without unloading a clip into her, you shouldn't be a police officer. The end.

[UK2K]

If you can't disarm a 66 year old lady with a baseball bat without unloading a clip into her, you shouldn't be a police officer. The end.

It's not about whether you can or can't. That's not the point. You have a hard time understanding that, so it makes sense why you are consistently wrong when it comes to these debates.

'"Sir, please give me your age and weight, so that way I can determine if you are in the 'too big to fight' category".

It happens just like that in real life.

[qrich]

If you can't disarm a 66 year old lady with a baseball bat without unloading a clip into her, you shouldn't be a police officer. The end.

Damn, that precinct needs to get new firearms ASAP.

Two shots is a clip :eek:

[UK2K]

Damn, that precinct needs to get new firearms ASAP.

Two shots is a clip :eek:

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/paper-clip-21360994.jpg

:oldlol: :oldlol:

What's worse than someone uninformed, is someone who is uninformed, but think they know what they are saying.

[warriorfan]

It's not about whether you can or can't. That's not the point. You have a hard time understanding that, so it makes sense why you are consistently wrong when it comes to these debates.
Well it should be. 66 year old mentally ill ladies shouldn't get blown away because they are swinging a baseball bat. If you are unable to snatch a bat out of an old ladies hands without getting hit, pick another profession.

[NumberSix]

If you can't disarm a 66 year old lady with a baseball bat without unloading a clip into her, you shouldn't be a police officer. The end.
If at any point in the future, somebody starts swinging a bat at you, I fully support your right to shoot them.

[UK2K]

Well it should be. 66 year old mentally ill ladies shouldn't get blown away because they are swinging a baseball bat. If you are unable to snatch a bat out of an old ladies hands without getting hit, pick another profession.

http://www.reckontalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/10-Most-Incredible-Badass-Old-Age-Bodybuilders-Over-60-70-Years-Old-3.jpg

62 years old.... take his bat from him. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

If at any point in the future, somebody starts swinging a bat at you, I fully support your right to shoot them.
Another ***** scared of elderly ladies. :lol

[qrich]

Another ***** scared of elderly ladies. :lol

Bruh, where can I buy your 2 round clips at?

[warriorfan]

http://www.reckontalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/10-Most-Incredible-Badass-Old-Age-Bodybuilders-Over-60-70-Years-Old-3.jpg

62 years old.... take his bat from him. :oldlol: :oldlol:
Cause a healthy 62 year old man is the same as a mentally ill 66 year old women...

Real talk...you need to stop doing drugs, your brain is fried.

[UK2K]

Cause a healthy 62 year old man is the same as a mentally ill 66 year old women...

Real talk...you need to stop doing drugs, your brain is fried.

And you would know that, too. When you showed up. Every time you walk up to a car, you know if the person driving is healthy or not. Or works out. Or whether they are 24 or 50.

You know all that, don't you? Ignorant ****. :oldlol:

You don't know what you are talking about. Exhibit A of Monday Morning Liberal Quarterbacks. Just let it go.

[warriorfan]

UK2K you are either high on amphetamines again or just autistic, most normal functioning people can discern a life threatening situation from a non life threatening situation. A 66 year old mentally ill woman with a baseball bat is not a life threatening situation, lethal force is not required.

[UK2K]

UK2K you are either high on amphetamines again or just autistic, most normal functioning people can discern a life threatening situation from a non life threatening situation. A 66 year old mentally ill woman with a baseball bat is not a life threatening situation, lethal force is not required.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLmBBRgKVbc

Get ****ed. :lol :lol

[97 bulls]

If she was white, I could see it being problem, but she's not. So what's the big deal?

97 Bulls actually believes that this^ is how everyone else thinks.
:confusedshrug:
Well, we don't even have to worry about that now do we?

[97 bulls]

It doesn't matter. You treat everyone the same, because that's how you don't die.
Here we go. This is how it all begins. No. They don't treat everyone the same.


What would have happened if he didn't shoot, and she connected on her swing? What if he was knocked unconscious? She takes his gun, blows his head off, and now has a loaded gun and plenty of rounds to continue her rampage?

Then you'd be here bitching about how some cop got his ass beat by a 66 year old woman, and allowed her to take his gun and use it to kill others and the department should be disbanded and burned to the ground.
He's a bitch right now. As far as your concerned, life isn't precious so what does it matter as to who dies? A woman died here bro. Don't trivialize it.

And your right. We don't know how were gonna die. But we do know when we or another person shouldn't be dead. And this is another one of those situations. That woman shouldn't be dead. Could she have overpowered an able bodied grown man (police officer no less)? Sure. But what are the chances of that? I mean really. There's something tremendously wrong when our law enforcement can't restrain old ladies. Even with a bat.

[NumberSix]

Here we go. This is how it all begins. No. They don't treat everyone the same.


He's a bitch right now. As far as your concerned, life isn't precious so what does it matter as to who dies? A woman died here bro. Don't trivialize it.

And your right. We don't know how were gonna die. But we do know when we or another person shouldn't be dead. And this is another one of those situations. That woman shouldn't be dead. Could she have overpowered an able bodied grown man (police officer no less)? Sure. But what are the chances of that? I mean really. There's something tremendously wrong when our law enforcement can't restrain old ladies. Even with a bat.
I'm more concerned with the safety of the person being attacked than the attacker.

[Pointguard]

Weird that the cop was a sergeant and that he had calmed the lady down earlier when she had a scissors earlier. He was escorting her out when she picked up the bat. Should have waited for special services after the scissors incident and been closer before she grabbed the bat. Lady looks more like 90 years old. Sergeant got the department sued picking on a Black guy on 42nd Street BBQs.

[97 bulls]

I'm more concerned with the safety of the person being attacked than the attacker.
I'm even more concerned about a grown able bodied man being able to competently perform the job he's being paid to do. And he's not getting paid to shoot old ladies.

[97 bulls]

A friend of mine posed a great question. What if it were a 10 year old girl. Technically, she's capable of killing a man (lol I don't believe I have to even post this) if she were to hit him in the right spot. That would be OK with you guys?

[UK2K]

Here we go. This is how it all begins. No. They don't treat everyone the same.

In your opinion... circumstances will always vary, but officers are trained to treat everyone, regardless of age, race, or sex, similarly. For safety reasons.



He's a bitch right now. As far as your concerned, life isn't precious so what does it matter as to who dies? A woman died here bro. Don't trivialize it.

Link?


And your right. We don't know how were gonna die. But we do know when we or another person shouldn't be dead. And this is another one of those situations. That woman shouldn't be dead. Could she have overpowered an able bodied grown man (police officer no less)? Sure. But what are the chances of that? I mean really. There's something tremendously wrong when our law enforcement can't restrain old ladies. Even with a bat.

Bet your life on it? Bet your neighbors life? Your parents?

He, more than likely, could have overpowered her. But, when you have a gun on your hip, getting into a wrestling match isn't an ideal situation.

Was he right? Maybe, maybe not. I wasn't there. Was he wrong? No.

[warriorfan]

A friend of mine posed a great question. What if it were a 10 year old girl. Technically, she's capable of killing a man (lol I don't believe I have to even post this) if she were to hit him in the right spot. That would be OK with you guys?
According to UK2K it would been a lifethreatening situation and a justified killing. :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

warriorfan is clearly mentally unstable. He needs to pick up a bat and walk towards a cop.

[iamgine]

This officer has taken his time to calm her down with the scissors so he's clearly not a trigger happy maniac. Perhaps he was shocked when she suddenly swung at him and made an in-the-moment decision.

[Smoke117]

Oh well...her life expectancy was coming to a close anyway.

[Pointguard]

This officer has taken his time to calm her down with the scissors so he's clearly not a trigger happy maniac. Perhaps he was shocked when she suddenly swung at him and made an in-the-moment decision.
I agree but it also means he didn't do it out of fear and doesn't follow protocol as a sergeant (she demonstrated aggression and unstableness already and he doesn't block her access to a weapon while walking out the door in her robes?) I don't know but he knew he could handle her. It seems like it was an option. He dropped the ball on this one. Surely he knew her reflexes were shot being old and taking a lifetime of medicine.

As I mentioned above, he had some other trespasses the media mentions.
https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20161020/civic-center/deborah-danner-hugh-barry-lawsuit-nypd-police-brutality

[97 bulls]

I agree but it also means he didn't do it out of fear and doesn't follow protocol as a sergeant (she demonstrated aggression and unstableness already and he doesn't block her access to a weapon while walking out the door in her robes?) I don't know but he knew he could handle her. It seems like it was an option. He dropped the ball on this one. Surely he knew her reflexes were shot being old and taking a lifetime of medicine.

As I mentioned above, he had some other trespasses the media mentions.
https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20161020/civic-center/deborah-danner-hugh-barry-lawsuit-nypd-police-brutality
So I'm reading info on the case in the link you provided. Come to find out, the woman became upset because they were escorting her out in her nightgown and wouldn't allow her to change. Here is a portion from the story in the link PG provided.....


Barry initially calmed Danner down and got her to let go of the scissors. But as Danner was being escorted out of the apartment in her nightgown, she grabbed a baseball bat, ignored orders to drop it and charged at Barry, police said.

So they wouldn't allow her to change her clothes in an effort to keep the peace and to keep her cooperative, but they go and buy that racists ass hole Dylan Roof a ****n burger to keep him cooperative?