Warriors big 4 = Cavs big 4

[Ca$H]

KD vs Bran

Curry vs Kyrie

Klay vs Love

Draygod vs Tristan

None of these match-ups seem lopsided. It's an even battle.

[k0kakw0rld]

KD vs Bran

Curry vs Kyrie

Klay vs Love

Draygod vs Tristan

None of these match-ups seem lopsided. It's an even battle.
Bron >>>>>>>>> KD
Curry = Kyrie (Kyrie is clutcher)
Klay > Love
Green = Tristan

[Ca$H]

Bron >>>>>>>>> KD
Curry = Kyrie (Kyrie is clutcher)
Klay > Love
Green = Tristan

So the Cavs are the favorites. No excuses.

[Jasper]

bench ?

coaching ?

parking ?

fans

[PeroAntic]

Draymond = Tristan

:biggums:

[FatComputerNerd]

Warriors have no answer for J.R.

We still have R.J. too right?

[Prime_Shaq]

What the ****?

[Lord P]

Bron>KD (1st and 2nd best players in the league)
Kyrie<Curry (It all depends on whether Curry melts down again)
Love<Klay
Tristan<<< Dirty Screen

[RedBlackAttack]

Bron>KD (1st and 2nd best players in the league)
Kyrie<Curry (It all depends on whether Curry melts down again)
Love<Klay
Tristan<<< Dirty Screen
You mean if Kyrie melts him down, right?

http://i.giphy.com/3oEjHJBYN3WSi8uJLq.gif

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-VadEssK_uus/V15bQvF_eMI/AAAAAAABL0c/qqWgTQb9w_k64vms5eBVOIrFkL71NMCBw/w506-h750/Kyrie%2BIrving%2BGame%2B4%2BNBA%2BFinals%2BShot%2B Science.gif

http://img.wennermedia.com/620-width/stephen-curry-mouthpiece-f7002cde-adfe-4e6e-aad9-97b5e4d3efa7.gif

[Hey Yo]

http://i.imgur.com/kSeehec.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

Yep, keep trying to convince yourself a 73 win team ADDING a top 3 player in the league to have a roster of 2 MVP's, 4 All-NBA players & a FMVP isn't by far the most stacked team in the league :oldlol:

[TheWinningFam]

The retards trying to act like the warriors aren't the most stacked team in history are hilarious.


If cavs somehow pull it off this year they might commit suicide

[Sakkreth]

Lol @ thinking TT is on Green's level.

[Nash]

Lebron
KD
Curry
Irving
Thompson
Love
Draymond
Tristan

[Gileraracer]

Yeah cause Lebron formed super teams for several years now. He can't win without.

[Ca$H]

Yep, keep trying to convince yourself a 73 win team ADDING a top 3 player in the league to have a roster of 2 MVP's, 4 All-NBA players & a FMVP isn't by far the most stacked team in the league :oldlol:

This is irrelevant because the Cavs are a 70 win team on paper. The Cavs underachieving in the regular season is inconsequential. Love is a 26 and 13 guy and he is their 3rd option. :facepalm

[pegasus]

This is irrelevant because the Cavs are a 70 win team on paper. The Cavs underachieving in the regular season is inconsequential. Love is a 26 and 13 guy and he is their 3rd option. :facepalm
This. Plus this is not the same 73-win team plus Durant. They've lost a bunch of impact players.

Anyone who doesn't think GSW just leveled the playing field by signing Durant is a delusional Lebron stan. Kyrie has showed that he can be just as good as Curry, if not better, when the game is on the line, and we have yet to see if Klay will have the same impact playing with one more scorer who will demand more touches than the guy he replaced. If he doesn't suffer from what Bosh and Love have had to endure playing alongside Lebron, that will be only because Curry and Durant are not ball hogs.

Curry vs Kyrie
Durant vs Lebron
Klay vs Love
Green vs Thompson
Iggy vs JR

I'd say that they are pretty evenly matched up.

[tpols]

there's not much difference between the teams at all from a talent perspective, but the Cavs will have a much easier playoff path.

[Hey Yo]

This. Plus this is not the same 73-win team plus Durant. They've lost a bunch of impact players.

Anyone who doesn't think GSW just leveled the playing field by signing Durant is a delusional Lebron stan. Kyrie has showed that he can be just as good as Curry, if not better, when the game is on the line, and we have yet to see if Klay will have the same impact playing with one more scorer who will demand more touches than the guy he replaced. If he doesn't suffer from what Bosh and Love have had to endure playing alongside Lebron, that will be only because Curry and Durant are not ball hogs.

Curry vs Kyrie
Durant vs Lebron
Klay vs Love
Green vs Thompson
Iggy vs JR

I'd say that they are pretty evenly matched up.
That's because you continue to show that you don't know a god damn thing about basketball.

[HurricaneKid]

That's because you continue to show that you don't know a god damn thing about basketball.

Yeah this thread is an indication I need to add substantially to my ignore list.

The last two NBA MVPs team up WITH the perennial DPOY candidate/2nd team All NBA big WITH yet another All NBA player who hit more 3s in a season than all but 1 player ever last season. That other player is one of the aforementioned MVPs. Add in Iggy, DWest, Zaza, Livingston, McCaw, etc and what you have is the best accumulation of talent in the history of the game. AND IT REALLY ISN'T CLOSE.

Without LeBron in the game the Cavs were outscored by 4.8 points/100 poss in the regular season and by 7.2 pts/100 in the playoffs.

If you are suggesting these supporting casts are remotely close you are, by extension, suggesting that LeBron is better than the last two MVPs COMBINED.

[J Shuttlesworth]

LOL so the season hasn't started yet and LeBron haters are already out here doing damage control for arguably the most stacked team in NBA history?

4/5 of the starting lineup of the All Star team from the historically stacked West is similar in talent to the Cavs? :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron haters are fuccing delusional :roll:

[tpols]

LOL so the season hasn't started yet and LeBron haters are already out here doing damage control for arguably the most stacked team in NBA history?

4/5 of the starting lineup of the All Star team from the historically stacked West is similar in talent to the Cavs? :lol


Lebron is better than Durant.

Kyrie has shown that he can be better than Curry at any given time.

Dray and Tristan both intangible guys. (bran stans underestimate thompson to absurd lengths.. he's basically been like dennis rodman in the playoffs)

Klay and Love .. very equal talent wise, only difference is Klay is a perfect fit on his team and carved his role organically, while Love was part of a collusion and mish mash of talent that left him underutilized.




overall.. they are very close in talent. You guys just want to sweep the fact that Cleveland has had the highest payroll, 3 all NBA guys all teaming up in a conference where the next best players have been kyle lowry, derozan, and paul millsap under the rug..

you deserve to be called out.


especially when talking unfairness and competition.. its pot calling the kettle black every time.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Lebron is better than Durant.

Kyrie has shown that he can be better than Curry at any given time.

Dray and Tristan both intangible guys. (bran stans underestimate thompson to absurd lengths.. he's basically been like dennis rodman in the playoffs)

Klay and Love .. very equal talent wise, only difference is Klay is a perfect fit on his team and carved his role organically, while Love was part of a collusion and mish mash of talent that left him underutilized.




overall.. they are very close in talent. You guys just want to sweep the fact that Cleveland has had the highest payroll, 3 all NBA guys all teaming up in a conference where the next best players have been kyle lowry, derozan, and paul millsap under the rug..

you deserve to be called out.


especially when talking unfairness and competition.. its pot calling the kettle black every time.
You're being delusional.

Yes, LeBron is better than Durant but let's not forget these players were on the same level in 2014 and Durant is still an MVP caliber player in his prime..


as is Curry. Kyrie is not an MVP candidate, or a player to even get MVP votes. You can't use Curry choking in the finals as a way to say Kyrie is on equal talent to Curry. It's only Curry's mentality that's worse than Kyrie, but Curry is easily the more talented player. 30 ppg on 50/40/90 and 2 MVPs > Kyrie, it's simple. Melo could be better than LeBron at any given time too but we're not going to say that Melo = LeBron

Tristan isn't close to the talent level of Draymond. Dray has the D, playmaking, rebounding, leadership, and Tristan has the D/rebounding. Tristan isn't capable of pulling off a 36 pt triple double like Dray can. Get real.

Klay vs. Love>? :biggums: It's pretty obvious who is more talented in their respective roles. Just revisit the fact that Klay and Love could have been traded for one another... Do you think the Warriors regretted not making that trade? :lol

Quit being delusional bud. The top four all stars in the almight West > LeBron + his guys who didn't make the all star team. There's no shame in admitting that and you don't have to protect Curry/KD from a potential choke this early.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Also, don't forget that the Warriors just gutted the Thunder, their biggest competition. The Warriors with 4 all stars are actually probably further ahead of the 2nd best team in the West than the Cavs are. Cavs got taken to 6 by the Raptors. The Warriors took the Spurs lunch money last year and just added another player who took the Spurs lunch money in KD. The West is simply not that good this year without the Thunder as contenders and teams like Rockets/Blazers/Clippers not improving.

[tpols]

its not delusional at all... you say things like Curry is easily better than kyrie because he has two MVPs.. when everybody just saw Kyrie completely outplay him head to head.


you are the one that's being delusional and not living in reality.

[tpols]

Also, don't forget that the Warriors just gutted the Thunder, their biggest competition. The Warriors with 4 all stars are actually probably further ahead of the 2nd best team in the West than the Cavs are. Cavs got taken to 6 by the Raptors. The Warriors took the Spurs lunch money last year and just added another player who took the Spurs lunch money in KD. The West is simply not that good this year without the Thunder as contenders and teams like Rockets/Blazers/Clippers not improving.


there's no way you can spin the top end competition difference without looking like a fool.

[tpols]

"Cavs got taken to 6 by the Raptors" lmao


im not trying to be a **** but that is too much man.. in their wins the Cavs won every game in complete blowout fashion and that ECF was one of the most uncompetitive bouts especially compared to battles being done out west. At no point was Cleveland even remotely threatened by toronto and you know it..


you're just being very dishonest right now.

[riseagainst]

Only advantage the Cavs have is Lebron James. If he goes beastmode again, then it's over.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I guess by tpols logic, The Cavs should be the same odds as the Warriors to win it all?

Oh wait wait? The Warriors were favorites before they signed Durant? How is that possible? Didn't Vegas have a good talent evaluator like tpols to convince them the teams are equal?

[J Shuttlesworth]

"Cavs got taken to 6 by the Raptors" lmao


im not trying to be a **** but that is too much man.. in their wins the Cavs won every game in complete blowout fashion and that ECF was one of the most uncompetitive bouts especially compared to battles being done out west. At no point was Cleveland even remotely threatened by toronto and you know it..


you're just being very dishonest right now.
There's nothing dishonest about saying the Cavs got taken to 6 by the Raptors. That is true. It's just a mark of how flawed that Cavs team was. They got blown out games 1 and 2 of the finals too

[tpols]

I guess by tpols logic, The Cavs should be the same odds as the Warriors to win it all?

Oh wait wait? The Warriors were favorites before they signed Durant? How is that possible? Didn't Vegas have a good talent evaluator like tpols to convince them the teams are equal?




The Cavs have better odds to make it out of their conference than the Warriors do. The best odds for East contender is 25/1.. out West the Spurs are 11/1. They literally have double the chance.



where the difference in total odds is made up is people think the Warriors are going to lay a collosal ass whooping on the Cavs in the Finals.. i guess based on the fact that's what they were doing to them last year when both teams were at full strength

[J Shuttlesworth]

The Cavs have better odds to make it out of their conference than the Warriors do. The best odds for East contender is 25/1.. out West the Spurs are 11/1. They literally have double the chance.



where the difference in total odds is made up is people think the Warriors are going to lay a collosal ass whooping on the Cavs in the Finals.. i guess based on the fact that's what they were doing to them last year when both teams were at full strength
Maybe because both teams have a cakewalk to the finals, yet one team has a 4 all star starting lineup?

But yes let's continue to act like despite 4 starting all stars, the Warriors big 4 is the same as the Cavs

[tpols]

There's nothing dishonest about saying the Cavs got taken to 6 by the Raptors. That is true. It's just a mark of how flawed that Cavs team was. They got blown out games 1 and 2 of the finals too


The Cavs were shattering efficiency records through the East last year.. there was nothing flawed about them. Saying the raptors took them to six in an attempt to paint the series as competitive is dishonest. You know that.

[J Shuttlesworth]

So the Cavs weren't flawed despite getting blown out twice by the Raptors and twice in the finals?

Also pick one:
A. The 2016 Warriors >>>> Cavs when healthy
B. The 2017 big four are equal to the Cavs

You can't have both.. Those statements contradict each other and you have made both of those in this thread.

Boy the finals truly did a number on you huh? There isn't a single person who believes that the Warriors aren't far and ahead the most stacked team in a long time, and your avatar shows exactly why. You see the reason every time you make a post and yet you still don't get that 4 of the starting all stars in the conference you say is supremely stacked are all on the same team

[tmacattack33]

KD vs Bran

Curry vs Kyrie

Klay vs Love

Draygod vs Tristan

None of these match-ups seem lopsided. It's an even battle.

The bolded go to G State pretty easily.

And Draymond vs Tristan is quite lopsided. Draymond is a top 20 player at worst, and probably the best non-scorer in the entire league. Tristan's around top 50 perhaps.




But what's even worse is what comes next:

Igoudala and David West vs JR Smith and Shumpert

[SouBeachTalents]

The bolded go to G State pretty easily.

And Draymond vs Tristan is quite lopsided. Draymond is a top 20 player at worst. Tristan's around top 50 perhaps.




But what's even worse is what comes next:

Igoudala and Bogut vs JR Smith and Shumpert

Bogut's not on the team anymore brah

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Draymond is quite clearly eons better than Tristan. Draymond is better than Klay too.

[JT123]

tpols getting destroyed by JShuttlesworth :lol

[NBAGOAT]

The Cavs were shattering efficiency records through the East last year.. there was nothing flawed about them. Saying the raptors took them to six in an attempt to paint the series as competitive is dishonest. You know that.

uh their defense... Don't know how people could forget before the Finals, Cavs defense wasn't great. Ofc, the Warriors defense was underperforming too(even vs the Blazers). Not one person here including yourself actually believes OP's statement however especially Dray=TT.


The Cavs have better odds to make it out of their conference than the Warriors do. The best odds for East contender is 25/1.. out West the Spurs are 11/1. They literally have double the chance.



where the difference in total odds is made up is people think the Warriors are going to lay a collosal ass whooping on the Cavs in the Finals.. i guess based on the fact that's what they were doing to them last year when both teams were at full strength

that makes sense but it just aint true. Big part of the Celtics having lower odds than the Spurs is the warriors being tougher than the Cavs in Vegas' mind. You know they have odds for likely to win Eastern and Western conference right. Both Cavs and Warriors have exact the same odds to win their conference 1/3. FYI Spurs and Celtics also have the exact same odds to win their conference 8/1. http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/