A pack of wolves vs a Bengal tiger

[DaHeezy]

I watched the Jungle Book yesterday and was wondering about the match up in the movie. A pack of wolves ( we'll go with 10) vs a Bengal tiger. Who ya got?

[HarryCallahan]

Wolves>>>Tiger



Lesnar>>>>>>>>>>>>Wolves

[Nick Young]

We all saw Sher Khan run train on Mowgli's wolf pack.

Bengal tiger all day.

I think a tiger is the one living creature that has a chance to take down Lesnar.

Bengal has quicker reflexes than Brock, and Brock's pasty farm boy skin offers no defense against tiger's ripping claws.

Bengal wins by disembowelment, I honestly don't see how Brock would win this matchup. Bengal is immune to kimuras. And suplexes wouldn't work because cats always land on their feet.

[Patrick Chewing]

For anyone that doubts the tiger...


https://youtu.be/TOKOtf9XWyg

[nathanjizzle]

if there is 10 wolves, the wolf pack would win. i think the cutoff point would be about 6 wolves, any less than that then the win would go to the tiger.

[SpaceJam]

I got Wilt Chamberlain

[Pointguard]

At work now but I just saw on YouTube one male Lion take on 20 hyenas and the lion had a broken paw - you can google "single lion destroys 20 hyenas". If you ever saw a wild hyena there is no way in the world a wolf could beat them. They are harder to kill then a wolf because of their oversized necks and have the strongest bite of all land animals I believe. Single lions are the least efficient killer of the big cats. Tigers, outside of armed humans, are the only animals that hunt, kill and eat bears... and the trick is be efficient because bears are very dangerous and strong.

So it would likely be a pack of 30 wolves to even have the confidence. A tiger would only need three seconds to break a wolf's back and big cats can pick out the alpha in other species, so you have to factor in losing confidence and reorganization as well.

[Nick Young]

How would a bear be able to tank a tiger launching itself at full speed from 15 feet away? I'm pretty sure a tiger could kill a bear if it wanted to due to its speed and agility advantage.

[Jasper]

I watched the Jungle Book yesterday and was wondering about the match up in the movie. A pack of wolves ( we'll go with 10) vs a Bengal tiger. Who ya got?
wolves.

[Pointguard]

Tiger FACT CHECK:

Tigers only hunt smaller bears. It's a common myth that siberian tigers prey on brown bears. Not entirely true. Tigers are assassins, opportunistic lone-wolf savages. They strategically avoid males, and prey on females and cubs... Generally during hibernation when the guard is down.

A male Kamchatka bear would obliterate a Siberian tiger... Let alone imagine what a Polar Bear would do.
If they are the same weight a tiger will eat it. Bigger bears will pose a problem. Bears rarely ever fight other predators at all and I never saw a bear kill another top predator (wolves and even wolverines are seen taking Grizzly's prey) big cats are the only predators that eat all other predators (crocs, snakes, bears and dogs). When much bigger bears fight cougars, the cougar usually wins, much smaller proportion than Bengal to polar bear.

Tigers are far more advanced in the science of killing different predators. Tigers know how to kill bears. No way does a bear start eating wolves. A tiger will eventually get to the back of the bear and injure it. Grizzly or Polar it might takes a day or two before he's food but no way does bear catch a Tiger off guard or not facing him.


So fact check is rebuffed.

[AngelEyes]

If they are the same weight a tiger will eat it. Bigger bears will pose a problem. Bears rarely ever fight other predators at all and I never saw a bear kill another top predator (wolves and even wolverines are seen taking Grizzly's prey) big cats are the only predators that eat all other predators (crocs, snakes, bears and dogs). When much bigger bears fight cougars, the cougar usually wins, much smaller proportion than Bengal to polar bear.

Tigers are far more advanced in the science of killing different predators. Tigers know how to kill bears. No way does a bear start eating wolves. A tiger will eventually get to the back of the bear and injure it. Grizzly or Polar it might takes a day or two before he's food but no way does bear catch a Tiger off guard or not facing him.


So fact check is rebuffed.

The Tiger is the greatest of all cats but no way in hell are they taking on a Grizzly, Kodiak or Polar Bear. Those three will crush any cat.

[Pointguard]

The Tiger is the greatest of all cats but no way in hell are they taking on a Grizzly, Kodiak or Polar Bear. Those three will crush any cat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yti2UY5D0zw This is a grizzly weighing about 450lbs. Cougar weighs about 150lbs. Bengals weigh nearly the same weight as Grizzles. And about half of Polar bears.

There is no shortage of youtube videos of wolves vs grizzles. When animals are not skilled killers this happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RqJFza3sbE And those wolf packs in in those videos are quite small, usually in the six or seven wolf range. The videos of male lions vs hyenas is like 20 hyenas. It is not natural for big predators to have packs of more than 12 dogs. No bear commands this type of respect https://youtu.be/-hQyEcjH1CM?t=1m43s because they are slow and not killers of other predators, and the hyena would handle a wolf pretty easily.

Its a matter of who has the more vulnerable back and bears are slow A tiger will eventually get to the back of the bear. They know how to kill them. If you go by strength a polar can't do anything with an Elephant as bears are not sophisticated fighters at all. An elephant would do him in. A tiger will get on an elephants back in the same way it kills bears and crocs. It may not succeed but it knows a way to do it.

If you have a fish tank, the fish that kills different type of predators will usually beat other fish that are bigger. You are just looking at power when there are either none or next to no film ever of bears killing other predators. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_uKJijBbuY. They are not smart, quick or experienced. Cats are the top predator pound for pound. Eagles are the one exception. But they are only able to handle the smallest of cat species.

[Pointguard]

A lot of sweeping, uninformed generalizations.
I was specific in almost all of my examples.




Hell no. They all wipe the floor with ANY form of tiger.
Does an MMA fighter beat a non skilled fighter? Really??? If an animal kills Boa's, Crocs, Bears and top dogs it has it in them to kill top predators. A bear doesn't know what it is to kill a predator. It doesn't get respect from wolves, wolverines and badgers. Why? Because its not a killer. A tiger knows how to kill. This is some MMA moves here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9GwVQ0REsQ low to the ground feet wide spread, eliminate the crocs strong point.

[DaHeezy]

When did a pack of wolves translate to a bear? :lol

[JtotheIzzo]

For the wolves to win we have to believe their are pack united and will fight with pride.

There is no pride in nature, once wolves see danger they will run.

[pauk]

If 10 wolves attacked at once with full intention of killing it, fight & bite it from all angles to the death... i like their chances, they could win, tiger could eventually die from the injuries... for hyenas even less numbers requiered (they are slightly bigger and have the nastiest jaws)... i dont see the tiger (or male lion) defending himself from so many jaws landing, he will either run away and stay and die.... potential is easily there for hyenas or wolves to do this, but this scenario in reality is extremly unlikely because they are not that psycho, they fight only for food... they want only to survive...

A hyena clan especially could extinct all lions if they all were psychotic enough and went banzai all at once, i mean a single clan can grow up to 80 members, each hyena being up to 200 lbs and possess deadliest jaws, they chew even elephant bones like twigs and bananas... its like jumping into a meatgrinder... but again, reality is they care only about food, defend themselves and use those numbers instead for intimidation to chase/scare the lions away from the food, often no harm done..

[iamgine]

The problem is we can't control animal's intention, much less ten of them. The tiger could just rip them through one by one if they hasn't ran away. Then it wouldn't be 1 vs 10. It would be 1 vs 1 ten times but this is what's most likely will happen.

[tpols]

If 10 wolves attacked at once with full intention of killing it, fight & bite it from all angles to the death..


i cant find the video but i remember seeing one where a big african cat, maybe a leopard was surrounded by a bunch of hyenas trying to take its kill. it just went on its back and everytime a few of them tried to attack it, it would just spaz out with a flurry of four paws, 20 daggers, and 4 fangs at the assailant, who would quickly back off. Waited it out for many hours in that position til they left.

[Pointguard]

If 10 wolves attacked at once with full intention of killing it, fight & bite it from all angles to the death... i like their chances, they could win, tiger could eventually die from the injuries... for hyenas even less numbers requiered (they are slightly bigger and have the nastiest jaws)... i dont see the tiger (or male lion) defending himself from so many jaws landing, he will either run away and stay and die.... potential is easily there for hyenas or wolves to do this, but this scenario in reality is extremly unlikely because they are not that psycho, they fight only for food... they want only to survive...

A hyena clan especially could extinct all lions if they all were psychotic enough and went banzai all at once, i mean a single clan can grow up to 80 members, each hyena being up to 200 lbs and possess deadliest jaws, they chew even elephant bones like twigs and bananas... its like jumping into a meatgrinder... but again, reality is they care only about food, defend themselves and use those numbers instead for intimidation to chase/scare the lions away from the food, often no harm done..

Watch Lions vs Hyenas on youtube. There are male lions that specialize in killing hyenas (which is proof that knowing how to kill is key to animals handling other animals) and they know the hierarchy of the hyenas, so by going for their leaders they know how to destabilize the group. Having once seen their leader brutalized they don't take chances and lose confidence in their attacks. (Bears I think died out in Africa because they are slow and small packs of wolves, like four, take the bears food primarily because bears don't kill other predators in general and the fear factor is smaller than if they were more aggressive) Anyway, you can put in youtube, 20 hyena's one lion and get like three different videos. Lions are feared because they will take on the challenge.

Tigers are like bears and can kill with swipes of their massive paws. Like Jaguars they also kill with bites to the head or neck. Male lions are the least efficient killer of the big cats and their jaws aren't big enough to get around the hyena's massive necks - this is the reason why leopards don't engage the bigger hyenas. Lions also are hard to kill in a fight with any animal because of their excessive manes. Where as lions kill hyenas by breaking their backs, which takes some time, bigger tigers would be killing them by paw swipes, strangling them, neck or head bites along with mangling them. Tigers seemingly move a lot faster than male lions as well. Wolves don't have big necks.

Hyena's can call on other hyena clans to take food from a pride of lions. So the numbers can get high - like to 30 hyenas but their social structures can usually only handle like 20 in a large group if their was a reason for such large numbers (like a disease to Hippos and the food was more than plentiful). Wolves stick to much lower numbers.

[Pointguard]

i cant find the video but i remember seeing one where a big african cat, maybe a leopard was surrounded by a bunch of hyenas trying to take its kill. it just went on its back and everytime a few of them tried to attack it, it would just spaz out with a flurry of four paws, 20 daggers, and 4 fangs at the assailant, who would quickly back off. Waited it out for many hours in that position til they left.
I seen a leopard do that with 4 female lions and leopards are only like 160 pounds. Its a wild move, half submissive attack.

[tpols]

I seen a leopard do that with 4 female lions and leopards are only like 160 pounds. Its a wild move, half submissive attack.


actually it mightve been lions.. we mightve seen the same one. it is said a lot of martial arts were learned through observation of animals.. Cats have that elite bjj ground game. even little 10 lb house cats are suprisingly strong when they get that grip and start that super fast kicking shit they do.. i cant imagine a 400 lb version of that. it is almost unfathomable.

[Nick Young]

10 bloodlusted wolves vs bloodlusted tiger in an open plain with both fighting to the death and no sneak attacks, I think the tiger wins.


Tiger kills the pack leader and the other wolves will panic. Wolves are brilliant hunters and good at using clever strategy to take down prey, but they won't be able to take down something with the strength, agility and killing ability of a bengal tiger.

Look at this size difference. A wolf would be down for the count with one solid paw swipe.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5449/9629964093_62fbe5b2ac.jpg

Bengal has leaping and agility and quickness that the wolves will not even be able to comprehend it.

[Nick Young]

To use more gaming terms, it would be like a Level 60 Warrior going in to Ragefire Chasm.

(I haven't played WOW since Burning Crusade. Do not know if this reference is still relevant or not.)

[Pointguard]

Pointguard's logic;

Tigers are apex predator carnivores with killer instincts, therefore it can beat an elephant because it does not have killer instinct, nor does it feed and kill on other animals. (NOTE: During certain seasons, male/bull elephants have been known to become aggressive, and kill other living creatures)

The truth is, you throw a tiger and an elephant in a room, whom both have the intent to kill the other.. The elephant wins 99.99% of the time. Killer instinct don't mean shit. It's not the tiger's "killer instinct" that makes it so dangerous. It's the physical attributes and abilities of the feline. Incredible strength, the size, incredible speed.. The power.. The claws, jaw power, canines, reflexes..
Not all animals know how to kill. I showed you a grizzly that couldn't kill a badger. An elephant isn't going to catch a tiger in the wild. And animals don't jump in rooms to fight. A tiger, can jump on the back of an elephant and bite it, get off, and keep doing this in succession. After a month or so the elephant is dead. Or the tiger could puncture the trunk for a quicker effect. The elephant would have to luck up and hope the tiger gets under its foot.

Felines are killing machines. They are smarter than other predators and can figure a way to kill them or at least be effective against them. Tigers figured ways to kill large snakes, and crocs, and baby elephants, and bears and even badgers. They know for sure the vulnerable points of most other predators and how to get to them. To say this isn't an advantage is crazy. Never mind being quicker, using more weapons, smarter and the disposition to kill. For instance, a hyena has great killing tools, but by itself it can't kill most big game because it doesn't know how to kill and is reduced to being a scavenger. In a group they use teamwork and have to eat their prey alive most of the time because of their lack of knowing how to kill.

btw, there was a good show where these elephants (had their parents killed in front of them) and became like juvenile delinquents. They kept killing rhinos as some form of expression. Wild.

[atljonesbro]

We need another animal tournament

[tpols]

While you're at it, why don't you let the tiger have night vision goggles and do it at night?

You're mssing the point here of a hypothetical animal fight. How is a random encounter fair and objective? There are so many different variables to take into account.

This is why you disregard most of them, and maintain a constant

Two animals

Both fighting to kill the other, with all the tools and gifts they were given as said species

No surprise attacks, sneak-ups

Two animals locked in a massive room

To the death

Both willing

That's fair and objective



there's no such thing as fair in a wild animal fight. you're taking away one of the cats bigger tools by appealing to some arbitrary ideal of objectivity.

[Pointguard]

While you're at it, why don't you let the tiger have night vision goggles and do it at night?

You're mssing the point here of a hypothetical animal fight. How is a random encounter fair and objective? There are so many different variables to take into account.

This is why you disregard most of them, and maintain a constant

Two animals

Both fighting to kill the other, with all the tools and gifts they were given as said species

No surprise attacks, sneak-ups

Two animals locked in a massive room

To the death

Both willing

That's fair and objective
Tigers don't need sneak ups. They do that so that flight doesn't dictate the animal getting away. They fight face to face most of the time with other predators - snakes, crocs, bears at the very least. Growls to announce their presence. Felines are the best animals one on one that can get to the back of the other animal because of their superior speed and athleticism. In the end its about which animal will have their vulnerability exposed the most.

[Nick Young]

Tigers don't need sneak ups. They do that so that flight doesn't dictate the animal getting away. They fight face to face most of the time with other predators - snakes, crocs, bears at the very least. Growls to announce their presence. Felines are the best animals one on one that can get to the back of the other animal because of their superior speed and athleticism. In the end its about which animal will have their vulnerability exposed the most.
Yes. Tigers are essentially 500 lb house cats with more killer instinct, deadlier jaws and more vicious claws.

Every insane act of agility you've ever seen a cat perform? Imagine if that cat was 500 lbs of pure muscle.

The term "cat-like reflexes" is a term for a good reason. They are one of the quickest mammals out there.

In 1v1, tigers are capable of beating Brock Lesnar and POSSIBLY an alpha silverback, assuming the gorilla doesn't lock in a rear naked choke. And a tiger's submission defense is the best in the mammalian kingdom.

Check out that insane vert. And that's not even max leaping capability. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfpA2TixqUw)

We humans are hardly capable of understanding the true abilities of these magnificent striped beasts.

Look at this shit. It is insane. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDy5MnY1rRU)That is the vert of 3 Russell Westbrooks combined in a creature that weighs more than Shaq and has the reflexes of a house cat.

Compilation of tigers wrecking the animal kingdom (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVyigeJw8U)

[Facepalm]

It would be like a level 87 Barbarian in Diablo 2 (Including the Lords of Destruction expansion pack) using Whirlwind, which you would think isn't an AoE, but infact it does actually have AoE traits, as it increased the attack radius a full 360 degrees, as well as slightly further out.


It would be like an axe wielding valkyrie shredding through a horde of skeletons or goblins in clash royale

[Nick Young]

It would be like Vintage MUD going up against Standard Grixis Control.

[Pointguard]

Yes. Tigers are essentially 500 lb house cats with more killer instinct, deadlier jaws and more vicious claws.

Every insane act of agility you've ever seen a cat perform? Imagine if that cat was 500 lbs of pure muscle.

The term "cat-like reflexes" is a term for a good reason. They are one of the quickest mammals out there.

In 1v1, tigers are capable of beating Brock Lesnar and POSSIBLY an alpha silverback, assuming the gorilla doesn't lock in a rear naked choke. And a tiger's submission defense is the best in the mammalian kingdom.

Check out that insane vert. And that's not even max leaping capability. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfpA2TixqUw)

We humans are hardly capable of understanding the true abilities of these magnificent striped beasts.

Look at this shit. It is insane. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDy5MnY1rRU)That is the vert of 3 Russell Westbrooks combined in a creature that weighs more than Shaq and has the reflexes of a house cat.

Compilation of tigers wrecking the animal kingdom (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVyigeJw8U)
Great post. Good links!