Lebron James vs. Wilt Chamberlain vs. Kobe Bryant

[Lebron23]

Rank who's the best Finals and Playoffs performer?

[LAZERUSS]

Rank who's the best Finals and Playoffs performer?

Wilt, LeChoke, and Kobe.

BTW, the REAL FINALS in the decade of the 60's were between the Celtic Dynasty, and WILT.

Here was just an example...

In Chamberlain's 64-65 season, he was traded mid-year, for three decent players, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before. He then single-handedly carried what was a 40-40 team, past Oscar's stacked 48-32 Royals in the first round, which included a clinching 38-26-5-11, .654 TS% game.

Then, he took that roster, which had gone 34-46 without him...up against the six-time defending champion, and 62-18 Celtics, with SIX HOFers, and at the peak of their dynasty...

to a game seven, one point loss. In a game in which Chamberlain scored 30 pts on 12-15 shooting (and with a .724 TS%), with 32 rebounds. And in that game, he scored Philly's last 8 points, including 2-2 from the line with 36 secs remaining, and a dunk over Russell with 5 secs left...to pull the Sixers to within 110-109. Then, after the "clutch" Russell hit a guidewire with an inbounds pass, the Sixers had a chance to pull off the greatest upset in NBA playoff history. Alas, a Wilt teammate, Hal Greer, threw an inbounds pass that was picked off by Hondo. Oh, and while Chamberlain shot 12-15 from the floor, his teammates collectively shot 28-75 from the floor.. .373...in that one point loss.

For the series, Chamberlain averaged 30.1 ppg, with 31.4 rpg (and a 25.2 TRB%), on a .555 FG% (in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot .413 overall), and with a .575 TS%, in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot a TS% of .465.

Oh, and then Boston went on to rout the Baylor-less Lakers in the Finals, 4-1, which included two 30+ point blowout wins, including a 129-96 clincher. In a series in which Russell averaged 18-25-6 on a .702 FG%. And against this center...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&hint=Leroy+Ellis&player_id1_select=Leroy+Ellis&player_id1=ellisle01&hint=Wilt+Chamberlain&player_id2_select=Wilt+Chamberlain&player_id2=chambwi01

So, Wilt was actually putting up FINALS of 22-25-7; 22-32-10; 28-30; 29-28; 30-31; 31-27; and 34-27 in the 60's.

And one can only wonder what kinds of playoff and Finals records that Chamberlain would own had he faced the Lakers in that decade. Russell DESTROYED LA in his FIVE Finals against them (and in his 6th, against Wilt...did absolutely nothing.) Meanwhile, Wilt faced the Lakers in 86 regular season games in that decade, and had 42 (yes, 42) games of 40+ points; including 19 of 50+; 7 of 60+; and even 2 of 70+ (with a high of 78.)

Of course, when Chamberlain FINALLY had an EQUAL roster to Russell's, that was healthy, he led his Sixers to a carpet-bombing of the eight-time defending champion, and 60-21, Celtics, 4-1. In a series in which he outscored Russell, per game, 22-11 ppg; outrebounded him, per games, 32-22 rpg; outassisted him, per game, 10-6 apg; and outshot Russell from the floor in that series, .556 to .358.

None other than John Wooden claimed that had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters (and coaches) in their 10 years in the league together, and it would have been WILT holding all those rings.

[Nilocon165]

LAZZERUS was dropped on his head as a baby

[aj1987]

LAZZERUS was dropped on his head as a baby
That would only matter if there way anything in there.

To answer OP,

1. LeBron


2. Kobe



















































































































3. Ilt Chokerlain

[Big164]

Chamberlain is the only player who actually holds a #1 ranking in a Finals statistic. 24.6 RPG!

Only #1 Lebron can hope for is the tov record which he will soon get

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain in his 23 "must win" post-season games...


12-11 W-L record

31.1 ppg (Regular season career average was 30.1 ppg)
26.1 rpg (Regular season career average was 22.9 rpg)
3.4 apg (Regular season career average was 4.4 apg)
.540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot an eFG% of about .435 in that span))


3 games of 50+ points (including the ONLY THREE by a GOAT candidate)

5 games of 40+ points (including a Finals 45-27 .741 FG%, .680 TS%, 27.0 TRB% elimination game)

13 games of 30+ points

6 games of 30+ rebounds

20 games of 20+ rebounds

Wilt's 37 must win, or series clinching playoff games...


Wilt actually played in 37 "elimination games",...games where either his team faced elimination, or could have clinched the series:

1. W: 53-22-2, 24-42 FG/FGA

2. W: 50-35-2, 22-42

3. L: 26-24-0, 8-18

4. L: 33-23-1, 13-29

5. W: 56-35-1-12, 22-48

6. W: 32-21-1, 12-29

7. L: 22-22-3, 7-15

8. W: 39-30-?, 19-29

9. L: 30-27-2, 12-28

10. W: 38-26-5, 14-22, 10 blks (Triple-Double)

11. W: 30-26-4, 13-22, 13 blks (Triple-Double)

12. L: 30-32-2, 12-15

13. L: 46-34-?, 19-34

14. W: 18-27-9, 7-14

15. W: 29-36-13, 10-16, 7 blks (Triple-Double)

16. W: 24-23-4, 8-13

17. W: 25-27-3, 10-19

18. L: 28-30-7, 11-21

19. L: 20-27-8, 6-21

20. L: 14-34-5, 4-9

21. W: 11-25-1, 5-9

22. W: 16-29-3, 5-11, 16 blks (Triple-Double)

23. L: 8-18-4, 1-5

24. L: 18-27-3-10, 7-8

25. W: 36-14-3, 12-20

26. W: 12-26-11, 4-11, 11 blks (Quad-Double)

27. W: 30-27-6, 11-18, 11 blks (Triple-Double)

28. W: 45-27-3, 20-27

29. L: 21-24-4, 10-16

30. W: 25-19-9, 7-12

31. L: 23-12-4, 10-21

32. W: 8-31-8, 4-6

33. W: 20-24-2, 8-12, 10 blks (Triple-Double)

34. W: 24-29-4, 10-14, 8 blks

35. W: 21-28-4, 10-17, 8 blks

36. W: 5-22-7, 2-2

37. L: 23-21-3, 9-16


W-L : 24-13

Here were Wilt's averages in those 37 games:

29.5 ppg

26.1 rpg

4.2 apg (missing one game)

.546 FG% (in post-seasons that shot about .435 on average in that span.)

Keep in mind that 24 of those 37 games came after his "scoring seasons" (59-60 thru 65-66)

[aj1987]

Definitely not this loser:

Fact #1 - Chokerlain played in an absolutely shitty and garbage ass era
Fact #2 - Chokerlain played for his stats and didn't give a shit about winning
Fact #3 - Chokerlain choked HARD and this can be evidenced by his significant drop off in production

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5


Lets look at a couple of physical behemoths from the '60's:

https://s9.postimg.org/b2eeiqye7/0_wilt_chamberlain_4.jpg
https://s9.postimg.org/kbgksv7a7/Bob_Cousy_1950_17688992.jpg
https://s10.postimg.org/5mpgjdcjt/140916203240_20140916_gt_elgin_baylor_80th_birth.j pg
https://s10.postimg.org/uu0cjmfnt/Bob_Pettit_1962.jpg

Stick figures? Yep.


1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1963 Regular season
Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

1960 Division Finals
After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 35-65 (53.8%)

[plowking]

Chamberlain is the only player who actually holds a #1 ranking in a Finals statistic. 24.6 RPG!

Only #1 Lebron can hope for is the tov record which he will soon get

Not true.

Wilt also holds the record for largest drop off in terms of career ppg average to finals ppg average.

[Papaya Petee]

https://s9.postimg.org/b2eeiqye7/0_wilt_chamberlain_4.jpg

:roll: This dude had 23 inch arms though! Same size as Arnold!

[LAZERUSS]

Definitely not this loser:

Fact #1 - Chokerlain played in an absolutely shitty and garbage ass era
Fact #2 - Chokerlain played for his stats and didn't give a shit about winning
Fact #3 - Chokerlain choked HARD and this can be evidenced by his significant drop off in production

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5


Lets look at a couple of physical behemoths from the '60's:

https://s9.postimg.org/b2eeiqye7/0_wilt_chamberlain_4.jpg
https://s9.postimg.org/kbgksv7a7/Bob_Cousy_1950_17688992.jpg
https://s10.postimg.org/5mpgjdcjt/140916203240_20140916_gt_elgin_baylor_80th_birth.j pg
https://s10.postimg.org/uu0cjmfnt/Bob_Pettit_1962.jpg

Stick figures? Yep.


1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1963 Regular season
Wilt led his team to a 31-49 record, a record too poor to make the playoffs.

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

1960 Division Finals
After a regular season of 38.4 ppg, Wilt followed that up with a 30.5 ppg series in the Division Finals vs. Boston.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 35-65 (53.8%)

:roll:

FAR more dominant that Shrinkage...

as for the rest of your nonsense...


'60: In Wilt's rookie season he took what had been a LAST PLACE team the year before, to a 49-26 record. In the first round of the playoffs he single-handedly carried that roster to a series win with a 39-23 series, and in the winner-take-all closing game...put up a 53-22 game.

Then, he took a roster, that was man-for-man, badly outclassed, to a game six, two point loss, against a HOF-laden 59-16 Celtics team, in a series in which he averaged 31-27, and on a .500 FG%, in a post-season NBA that shot .402 overall. Oh, and in a must win game five, all he could do was crush Russell with a massive 50-35 game.


'61: Yep...all Wilt's fault. All he did was hang a 37-23 series, while his teammates collectively shot .332 from the field. But yes, blame Wilt's missed FTs. Amazing how Shaq played on two title teams in which he had Finals of .387 and .292 from the line. Must have been his FT shooting that won those series.

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...


'62: In the first round of the playoffs, Chamberlain averaged a 37-23, and in the clinching game five do-or-die game, he put up the greatest triple double in playoff history... a 56-35-12 game.

Then Chamberlain dragged essentially the same last place roster that he inherited in his rookie season, but now older and worse, to a game seven, two point loss, in a series in which he averaged 34-27. He also hung two 40+ point games, including one game in which he outscored Russell, 42-9, and outrebounded him, 37-20. In that game seven, newspaper recaps at the time, and opposing Boston players praised Wilt's DEFENSE. And in the last minute, Wilt scored Philly's last five points, to tie the game, but Same Jones hit the game-winner. BTW, the Celtics were favored in EVERY game of that seven game series. Oh, and BTW, Wilt went 8-9 from the LINE in that game seven. Funny how the poster (who actually stole this garbage from some idiot who posted this years ago)...missed that, huh?


'63: Yep, and he did so while leading the league in FIFTEEN statistical categories, including...get this... WIN SHARES.

But, more on that in a moment...


'64: Wilt essentially took that SAME exact roster that went 31-49 the year before, to a 48-32 record. The only addition was rookie Nate Thurmond, who played part-time, out of position, and shot .395 from the field.

In the WDF's, Chamberlain faced the ONLY Western Division foe until the '67 Finals. How did he perform? Put up a 39-23 .559 FG% series (in a post-season NBA that shot .420.) And in the clinching game seven win... a 39-30-10 game.

In the Finals, Wilt's Warriors were outgunned in HOFers, 8-3, which was bad enough. But Wilt's two "HOFers" were rookie Thurmond, a part-timer, and Guy Rodgers, who was the worst shooter of his era. And yes, they lost the series, 4-1, but the last two games were decided in the waning seconds. In those two losses, Chamberlain hung games of 27-38, and 30-27. For the series, Chamberlain outscored Russell, per game, 29-11, outrebounded Russell, per game, 28-25, and outshot Russell from the floor by a .517 to .386 margin (again, in a post-season that shot .420 overall.) Oh, and how did Wilt's two "HOF" teammates do? Thurmond shot .326 from the floor, and Rodgers shot .258. And there are those that claim that LeShrinkage had no help in his '15 Finals.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...


'65: This is one of my favorites.

Wilt was TRADED at mid-season, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before, for three players and a boatload of cash. Even with Wilt they only went 40-40.

However, he SINGLE-HANDEDLY destroyed Oscar's stacked 48-32 roster in the first round, which included a clinching performance of 38-26.

Then, he took that massively outgunned roster, to a game seven, one point loss, against a HOF-laden 62-18 Celtics team at the peak of their dynasty. For the series, all Wilt could do was put up the most dominant performance in NBA playoff history...and against the GOAT defensive center in NBA history. Averaged 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, 3.3 apg, had a 25.1 TRB%, blocked 7.0 shots per game, shot .555 from the floor, in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot .413 overall;and had a TS% of .575...in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot a .465 TS%. A staggering full 11 percentage points above the series average.

And how about this? Wilt led BOTH teams in MPG, PPG, RPG, BPG, TRB%, FG%, and TS%.

And in game seven, Wilt scored 30 points, including Philly's last eight points, with 32 rebounds, and on an .800 FG%, and on a phenomenal .724 TS%. His teammates collectively shot 29-75 from the floor (.373) in a one point loss. And if Hondo hadn't stolen the ball, it would have been the greatest upset in NBA playoff history.

As for "once again being outscored by Sam Jones in a game seven"...Jones was a GUARD. BTW, Chamberlain was the leading scorer in these Celtic series in '60, '62, '64, '65, and '66. He also outscored Jones in '67. So Jones was barely able to oustcore Wilt in '68, and then in '69. Enough of the "Jones outscored Wilt in game sevens" nonsense.


'66: In that elimination game, Chamberlain had 46 points (19-34 from the field.) He also shot .509 from the floor in that series, while his teammates collectively shot .352.

For the series, all Chamberlain could do was average 28 ppg, 30 rpg, and shoot .509 from the field.

BTW, Wilt led the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and FG% that season, all while leading his team to the best record in the league.



The poster left out Wilt's '67 post-season, so here goes:

First round, Wilt averages ...get this... 28.0 ppg, 26.5 rpg, 11.0 apg, and on a .617 FG%.

In the EDF's, and against Russell's 60-21 Celtics, Chamberlain destroys the Dynasty in a near sweep. He outscores Russell, per game, 22-11; ourebounds him, per game, 32-23; outassists per game, 10-6; and outshoots him from the field by a .556-.358 margin.

In the clincher, Wilt outscored Russell, 29-4; outrebounded him, 36-21; outshot him from the floor, 10-16 to 2-5; and outassisted him, 13-7. He even found time to record 7 blocks.

In the Finals, Wilt buries Nate Thurmond in Nate's peak season. He outscores him in five of the six games; outrebounds him in five of the six games; outassists him in five of the six games; and outshot him in every game. BTW, he outshot Nate by a .560 to .343 margin. Oh, and a peak Kareem faced Thurmond in three straight post-season series, and shot .486, .428, and .405 against him.

Overall, a 21-29-9 .579 playoff run. And in series in which he annihilated his HOF peers. THE greatest post-season run in NBA history.

[aj1987]

:roll: This dude had 23 inch arms though! Same size as Arnold!
:roll: :roll: :roll:

The only thing 23 about him is his PO's PPG. "GOAT scorer" doe.. :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...


'68: The Sixers were DECIMATED by injuries in that post-season, that they weren't even favored against the Knicks in the first round.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1&postcount=14

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...6&postcount=13

Chamberlain, himself, was playing with multiple injuries, including a tear in his calf muscle. And again, they were without HOFer Billy Cunningham the entire series.

So here was Wilt playing with injuries that we KNOW that guys like Kareem, LeChoke, and Reed would not have (my god, LeFlop was carried off the floor with MENSTRUAL CRAMPS for cryingoutloud.) Not only that, but Wilt hung a 22-25-7 series.

It was truly amazing that he even played at all, and it was just as amazing that a Sixers roster that was just decimated by injuries and missed games, lost a game seven by four points.

Of course, we KNOW that LeFLOP would not have even suited up under those conditions. Hell, he was carried off the court (waving the white flag BTW) with MENSTRUAL CRAMPS...

:roll: :roll:


'69: In the game three six point loss, Chamberlain put up a 16-26 game on 55% shooting, while West and Baylor combined to shoot 1-10 from the floor in the 4th quarter.

In that game four loss, Wilt shot 2-11 from the line, while his counterpart Russell, shot 2-12 from the floor. Oh, and how about Baylor in that game? 2-14 from the field, and 1-6 from the line...in a one point loss.

In the game seven, two point loss, all Wilt could do was hang an 18-27-10 triple-double, and on a game high .656 from the floor. West had a .569 TS%, Baylor had a .455 TS%, and Wilt's counterpart Russell put up a 6 pt, 21 reb, .342 TS% game.

But yes, blame Wilt...who, BTW, was not even in the game in the last five minutes, thanks to his incompetent coach, who promptly quit before being fired.

Of course that same COACH had a PRIME Wilt playing the HIGH POST!
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Papaya Petee]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The only thing 23 about him is his PO's PPG. "GOAT scorer" doe.. :roll: :roll:
Nah he averaged 22, lets not give him too much credit. :lol

I said 17.5s and I was giving him too much credit! 17.5s are guys that spend 3-4 years in the gym.

He looks like he has 14's in that picture!

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...


'70: This is truly laughable. Wilt shredded his knee early in the season, and was playing only four months after major knee surgery.

Not only that, but he was clearly the Lakers best player in that series, despite playing on one leg. He hung the ONLY 20-20 .600 Finals in NBA history (23-24 .625), and in the last two "must win games" had games of 45-27 on 20-27 shooting, and then 21-24 on .625 shooting. Oh, and how did he fare against a one-legged FMVP Reed in the last three games of Finals? He outscored him by an 88-10 margin; outrebounded him by a 71-3 margin; and outshot him from the floor by a 39-55 to 4-10 margin (.708 to .400.)

All this accomplished with a huge underdog 46-36 team that faced a HOF laden 60-22 Knicks team with HCA in the Finals.

As for the "1-11" from the line in game seven...the Lakers were down by 27 points at halftime, and his missed FTs had no bearing on the game. His TEAMMATES poor play, particularly that of an injured Jerry West, who was just slaughtered by Walt Frazier, contributed far more to that rout.


And this CLOWN didn't mention Wilt's '71 post-season. The post-season in which he didn't have his two best teammates, West and Baylor, and was playing only a year after major knee surgery. Wilt led his underdog Lakers past the Bulls in the first round, and then statistically battled a peak Kareem to a draw in the WCF's, albeit in a 4-1 series loss. In fact, Wilt actually outplayed Kareem in three of those five games, and one of the others was a draw.


Nor did he mention Wilt's '72 post-season. Chamberlain led a team that had gone 48-34 the year before, and that then jettisoned Baylor, to a 69-13 record. In the WCF's, and despite being heavily outscored by a peak Kareem, he, by ALL accounts, outplayed KAJ. In fact, Time Magazine went so far as to claim that Wilt DECISIVELY OUTPLAYED Kareem in that series. A shot-jacking Kareem shot .457 from the floor in that series, and in the last four games he could only shoot .414! The Lakers knocked off the defending champions, and effectively ended their dynasty before it ever got going.

Chamberlain then absolutely crushed the Knicks and their five HOFers in the Finals. He put up a 19-23-7 .600 series, and in the clincher and playing the game with one badly sprained wrist, and the other FRACTURED, he hung a 24-29-8 game on 10-14 shooting. Oh, and he did carried "Mr. Clutch" West, who shot a horrific .325 from the floor, to his only ring. Of course Chamberlain won the FMVP.

[LAZERUSS]

Finally...


'73: Unlike the '72 Finals, which were dominated by the Lakers, the '73 Finals had all five games decided in the last minute. And with West once again puking all over the floor, including 5-17 from the field in the clinching game loss, and with Hairston nowhere near 100%, the Lakers fell 4-1. In Wilt's last game of his career, he was the only Laker to play well, putting up a 23-21 game on 9-16 from the floor.


There you have it. Quite a choking resume alright.

Here was Wilt "the choker" routinely putting up 30-20 playoff series, and against the likes of Reed, Bellamy, Thurmond, Kareem, and Russell. In his scoring prime, he averaged 33 ppg in his 52 playoff games, 30 of which came against Russell. Remove the Russell games, and he averaged 36 ppg.

He had post-seasons of 22-21-5, 22-29-9, 24-25-7, 28-30, 29-27, 33-26, 35-25, 35-27, and 37-23. He had post-season series of 30-31, 31-27, 34-27, 37-23, 37-23, 39-23, and 39-23. The man averaged 24.5 rpg, and outrebounded the career record holder in ALL EIGHT of their H2H's. He also averaged an NBA record 24.6 rpg in his six Finals. He had back-to-back triple-double post-season series. He outshot his HOF counterparts in his six Finals by a collective margin of .559 to .439...all while badly outrebounding them.

He had must win playoff games of 42, 45, 46, 50, 50, and 56 points.

In his 23 must-win playoff games he averaged 31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.4 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in that same span.) Anbd in his 37 must win and series clinching playoff games... 29.5 rpg, 26.3 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .546 FG%.

[aj1987]

Nah he averaged 22, lets not give him too much credit. :lol

I said 17.5s and I was giving him too much credit! 17.5s are guys that spend 3-4 years in the gym.

He looks like he has 14's in that picture!
:oldlol:

True. 22 PPG in the PO's for the Chokers career.

Oh, do you know that Wade surpassed Ilt Chokerlain in total playoff points in 2 fewer games played? :applause:

[Papaya Petee]

:oldlol:

True. 22 PPG in the PO's for the Chokers career.

Oh, do you know that Wade surpassed Ilt Chokerlain in total playoff points in 2 fewer games played? :applause:

Yep, and Wade has 1 more title.
Can you imagine that skinny overrated twerp trying to meet a prime Wade at the rim? Anderson Varajao and Kendrick Perkins part 2.

[aj1987]

Yep, and Wade has 1 more title.
Can you imagine that skinny overrated twerp trying to meet a prime Wade at the rim? Anderson Varajao and Kendrick Perkins part 2.
Found an image which pretty much shows Ilt's arm if he tried to block Wade:

https://s14.postimg.org/kcyf2sayp/183804512.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

Yep, and Wade has 1 more title.
Can you imagine that skinny overrated twerp trying to meet a prime Wade at the rim? Anderson Varajao and Kendrick Perkins part 2.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

20 years from now Wade "the Bus Rider" will ONLY be remembered for the being the beneficiary of the NBA's revenge against Cuban in the RIGGED 2006 Finals.

The rest of his career he was pure shit.

The man was never even considered CLOSE to the best player in the game. His HIGHEST finish in the MVP balloting was THIRD. Then ONE FIFTH. Then ONE SIXTH. Then ONE SEVENTH. Hell, he has been considered Top-10, SEVEN times in his entire POS career, and in TWO of those, he BARELY made it.

The Bus Rider...

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

20 years from now Wade "the Bus Rider" will ONLY be remembered for the being the beneficiary of the NBA's revenge against Cuban in the RIGGED 2006 Finals.

The rest of his career he was pure shit.

The man was never even considered CLOSE to the best player in the game. His HIGHEST finish in the MVP balloting was THIRD. Then ONE FIFTH. Then ONE SIXTH. Then ONE SEVENTH. Hell, he has been considered Top-10, SEVEN times in his entire POS career, and in TWO of those, he BARELY made it.

The Bus Rider...

:roll: :roll: :roll:
The meltdown is strong in this one. I can picture you wiping your tears while posting that drivel.

Wade - 3,612 points in 159 career Playoff games

Ilt Chokerlain - 3,607 points in 160 career Playoff games

Wade - 3 rings

Ilt Chokerlain - 4 massive chokes

[LAZERUSS]

The meltdown is strong in this one. I can picture you wiping your tears while posting that drivel.

Wade - 3,612 points in 159 career Playoff games

Ilt Chokerlain - 3,607 points in 160 career Playoff games

Wade - 3 rings

Ilt Chokerlain - 4 massive chokes

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Chamberlain...FOUR Game SEVEN's in which his TEAMs lost by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points, and in game's and series in which he dominated. He was 9 points away from FOUR more rings.

The Bus Rider? HANDED a RIGGED FMVP in one Finals, and was a bystander in TWO more. And played like a typical LePUKE in game six of a clinching Finals loss, and then was a POS (as was the STATS-PADDING Shrinkage) in yet another.

[aj1987]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Chamberlain...FOUR Game SEVEN's in which his TEAMs lost by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points, and in game's and series in which he dominated. He was 9 points away from FOUR more rings.

The Bus Rider? HANDED a RIGGED FMVP in one Finals, and was a bystander in TWO more. And played like a typical LePUKE in game six of a clinching Finals loss, and then was a POS (as was the STATS-PADDING Shrinkage) in yet another.
Yo, tinfoil retard:


Wade - 3,612 points in 159 career Playoff games

Ilt Chokerlain - 3,607 points in 160 career Playoff games

Wade - 3 rings

Ilt Chokerlain - 4 massive chokes

Straight facts, bitch. :oldlol:

EDIT: Did you just post Chokerlains loses and try to push it as some accomplishment? Holy shit!

[LAZERUSS]

Yo, tinfoil retard:


Wade - 3,612 points in 159 career Playoff games

Ilt Chokerlain - 3,607 points in 160 career Playoff games

Wade - 3 rings

Ilt Chokerlain - 4 massive chokes

Straight facts, bitch. :oldlol:

EDIT: Did you just post Chokerlains loses and try to push it as some accomplishment? Holy shit!

How about this...


In Chamberlain's 64-65 season, he was traded mid-year, for three decent players, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before. He then single-handedly carried what was a 40-40 team, past Oscar's stacked 48-32 Royals in the first round.

Then, he took that roster, which had gone 34-46 without him...up against the six-time defending champion, and 62-18 Celtics, with SIX HOFers, and at the peal of their dynasty...

to a game seven, one point loss. In a game in which Chamberlain scored 30 pts on 12-15 shooting (and with a .724 TS%), with 32 rebounds. And in that game, he scored Philly's last 8 points, including 2-2 from the line with 36 secs remaining, and a dunk over Russell with 5 secs left...to pull the Sixers to within 110-109. Then, after the "clutch" Russell hit a guidewire with an inbounds pass, the Sixers had a chance to pull off the greatest upset in NBA playoff history. Alas, a Wilt teammate, Hal Greer, threw an inbounds pass that was picked off by Hondo. Oh, and while Chamberlain shot 12-15 from the floor, his teammates collectively shot 28-75 from the floor.. .373...in that one point loss.

For the series, Chamberlain averaged 30.1 ppg, with 31.4 rpg (and a 25.2 TRB%), on a .555 FG% (in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot .413 overall), and with a .575 TS%, in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot a TS% of .465.

Oh, and then Boston went on to rout the Baylor-less Lakers in the Finals, 4-1, which included two 30+ point blowout wins, including a clinching 129-96 win. In a series in which Russell averaged 18-25-6 on a .702 FG%. And against this center...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&hint=Leroy+Ellis&player_id1_select=Leroy+Ellis&player_id1=ellisle01&hint=Wilt+Chamberlain&player_id2_select=Wilt+Chamberlain&player_id2=chambwi01



Compare that with Lebron's '16 Finals. Took a 57-25 team up against a 73-9 team that barely won a seven game series against a 55 win team, and was outscored in that series. Then, after the Warriors went up 3-1, the NBA suspended Draymond Green; Andrew Bogut, their rim-protector, missed the last two games with an injury; and the "Lebron-Stopper" Iguadala injured his back and was just a shell in the last two games of the series.

In the game seven win, Lebron shot 9-24 from the field, including 0-4 in the last four minutes. He needed a great defensive stop by Kevin Love (of all people), and a game winning trey from Kyrie to win the game.

Lebron's game seven stats:

27 points, on 9-24 from the field, with an eFG% of .396, in a game in which the two teams combined to shoot .450. And with a TS% of .475, in a game in which the two teams combined to shoot a TS% of .501.

He also had a teammate score 26 points, on a .478 eFG%, and a .525 TS%.

The best player on the floor in that game seven?

How about Draymond Green, who as you will recall, was suspended in game five. Green put up a game high 32 points, on a .933 eFG% and a .955 TS%, with a game high 15 rebounds.


James had a great series, but not a Wilt-esque '65 EDF's.

29.7 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 8.9 apg on a .533 eFG%, and a .562 TS%, in a series in which both teams shot considerably higher than the teams in Wilt's '65 EDF's.


In any case... Lebron was one shot away from losing the '16 Finals, and Wilt was one bad inbounds pass away from winning a ring in '65.

BTW...none other than John Wooden claimed that had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters in their 10 years in the league together, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

[aj1987]

How about this...
How about this...

Wade - 3,612 points in 159 career Playoff games

Ilt Chokerlain - 3,607 points in 160 career Playoff games

Wade - 3 rings

Ilt Chokerlain - 4 massive chokes

[ballinhun8]

NBA forum is such trash now.



Just massive nut huggers everywhere recycling the same sh*t in every thread.

[BedroomBully]

Damn this old piece of $hit Laz is melting down hard right now!! Ive nver seen this beta type so many paragraphs in my life!!! OP you have this boy shhhooook!

[LAZERUSS]

How about this...

Wade - 3,612 points in 159 career Playoff games

Ilt Chokerlain - 3,607 points in 160 career Playoff games

Wade - 3 rings

Ilt Chokerlain - 4 massive chokes

NBA PLAYOFF RECORDS:

Most 20-20 games.
Most 30-20 games.
Most 30-30 games.
Most 40-20 games.
Most 40-30 games.
Most 50-20 games.
Most 50-30 games.

Most 20-20 playoff series.
Most 30-20 playoff series.
Most 35-20 playoff series.

Most 20-20 playoff runs.
Most 30-20 playoff runs.
Most 35-25 playoff runs.

Played in 29 post-season series, and the leading rebounder in 28 of them. In the one he wasn't, it was in a four game series, and by a PF, and by a 21.0 rpg to 20.0 rpg margin. When the two met as CENTERS, the 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg, outrebounded the 31 year old Lucas, who played 46 mpg, by a 23.2 to 9.8 rpg margin.

All-time NBA FINALS leading rpg...at 24.6 rpg.
Highest rebounding game in playoff history, at 41 (and against RUSSELL BTW).

The highest FG% and TS% in an NBA Finals game of 25+ points (.900 FG%, and an .876 TS%.)

The ONLY THREE 50+ point games in "must win" playoff games, by a GOAT in NBA history (including a 50-35 game against RUSSELL.)

A 45-27-3 .741 FG%, .680 TS% Finals game. Oh, and it was also a "must win" Finals game.

Held PEAK Kareem, in seasons in which he shot .577 and .574 against the NBA, to post-season series of .481 and .457 (and only .414 in the last four pivotal games of that series.) Oh, and in their two series clinching games, Chamberlain outshot KAJ from the field by a .545 (18-33) to .383 (23-60) margin.

Had a KNOWN 590 blocked shots in his KNOWN 81 (of his 160 playoff) games....which is more than Duncan's 568 in his 241 playoff games.

In his two game seven's of his Finals, Wilt outcored his two HOF peers, Russell and Reed, by a 19.5 ppg to 5.0 ppg margin; outrebounded them by a 25.5 to 12.0 rpg margin; and outshot them from the floor by a .708 to .333 margin.

Outshot his HOF opposing centers in his six Finals by a collective .559 to .439 margin.

The REALITY is...Wilt holds FAR more post-season records than either Wade the Fade, or the Court Jester.

[plowking]

LAZ, no one reads the bullshit you type.

The thread asked for a simple ranking of who you think is the best. Put it in order, or don't. No one needs your big ass wall of text.

[aj1987]

NBA PLAYOFF RECORDS:

Most 20-20 games.
Most 30-20 games.
Most 30-30 games.
Most 40-20 games.
Most 40-30 games.
Most 50-20 games.
Most 50-30 games.

Most 20-20 playoff series.
Most 30-20 playoff series.
Most 35-20 playoff series.

Most 20-20 playoff runs.
Most 30-20 playoff runs.
Most 35-25 playoff runs.

Played in 29 post-season series, and the leading rebounder in 28 of them. In the one he wasn't, it was in a four game series, and by a PF, and by a 21.0 rpg to 20.0 rpg margin. When the two met as CENTERS, the 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg, outrebounded the 31 year old Lucas, who played 46 mpg, by a 23.2 to 9.8 rpg margin.

All-time NBA FINALS leading rpg...at 24.6 rpg.
Highest rebounding game in playoff history, at 41 (and against RUSSELL BTW).

The highest FG% and TS% in an NBA Finals game of 25+ points (.900 FG%, and an .876 TS%.)

The ONLY THREE 50+ point games in "must win" playoff games, by a GOAT in NBA history (including a 50-35 game against RUSSELL.)

A 45-27-3 .741 FG%, .680 TS% Finals game. Oh, and it was also a "must win" Finals game.

Held PEAK Kareem, in seasons in which he shot .577 and .574 against the NBA, to post-season series of .481 and .457 (and only .414 in the last four pivotal games of that series.) Oh, and in their two series clinching games, Chamberlain outshot KAJ from the field by a .545 (18-33) to .383 (23-60) margin.

Had a KNOWN 590 blocked shots in his KNOWN 81 (of his 160 playoff) games....which is more than Duncan's 568 in his 241 playoff games.

In his two game seven's of his Finals, Wilt outcored his two HOF peers, Russell and Reed, by a 19.5 ppg to 5.0 ppg margin; outrebounded them by a 25.5 to 12.0 rpg margin; and outshot them from the floor by a .708 to .333 margin.

Outshot his HOF opposing centers in his six Finals by a collective .559 to .439 margin.

The REALITY is...Wilt holds FAR more post-season records than either Wade the Fade, or the Court Jester.
tl;dr:

Wade - 3,612 points in 159 career Playoff games

Ilt Chokerlain - 3,607 points in 160 career Playoff games

Wade - 3 rings

Ilt Chokerlain - 4 massive chokes

[Big164]

Chamberlain has more 70pt games than Wade has 50pt games. Lebron doesn't have any 70 pt games..neither does Jordan so let that sink in

As for chamberlains arms. Huge! Twice the size of Kareem's.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-21-2015/bWYe9P.gif

[AirFederer]

Chamberlain has more 70pt games than Wade has 50pt games. Lebron doesn't have any 70 pt games..neither does Jordan so let that sink in

As for chamberlains arms. Huge! Twice the size of Kareem's.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-21-2015/bWYe9P.gif

All that scoring, big arms and lions killed -still 18 PPG in Finals - say what :eek: :eek:

[aj1987]

All that scoring, big arms and lions killed -still 18 PPG in Finals - say what :eek: :eek:
:roll: :roll:

[Psileas]

Why LeBron & Kobe vs specifically Wilt, OP? Why not specifically vs Bird or vs Magic or vs Kareem?
Just an inquiring mind wondering.

[Kblaze8855]

Well...I guess it depends on what you are asking them to do. If playing 47 minutes a night and only taking 7 shots a game means youre automatically playing basketball poorly....

Wilt is such an odd case. He was literally playing every second of every game in the playoffs some years and taking 6-9 shots a night. And people talk about his PPG like....he was trying and failing to score. In 73 Wilt played all but like 4 minutes of the entire playoffs and shot under 7 times a game. For comparisons sake...Omer Asik shot over 7 times a game on the Rockets...in only 30 minutes. Wilt....playing 47 minutes a night in a faster era....shot less.

To take that and conclude he was playing poorly when he was doing everything else....as he was asked? Feels kinda childish to me. Like....an adult should glance at it and know to look past the PPG.

If hes out there going 4-21....fine. But hes going 5-7 and 3-6 and now and then 6-13 or so. Hes not....trying to score. How do we then judge him by his scoring...and not the things he was asked to do...which he did better than anyone else?

People posting career averages when they know....KNOW he was making no effort to score the majority of his playoff games....it just feels deceptive.

When you have 6 points on 3-4 shooting....29 rebounds....9 assists...block 9 shots...and win. Thats a bad game because of the 6 points? Of course not. But people look at your averages in the end...and say you only put up 12ppg that series...and dismiss everything else. Dismiss...what you were asked to do. What you were unselfish enough to do for the good of the team.

Most of you do see that right?

Im not alone on this island of common sense am I?

I kinda feel like it at times. I once saw someone talking about how Wilt underperformed even when he won pointing out his 67 ppg. A guy goes out and has 10 points....27 rebounds...9 assists...and 15 blocks in a win. We focus on the 10 points and how it drags his finals average down? Rick Barry took 41 shots that game and lost. Wilt took like 6 and did everything else...and won. But the 10 points...contributes to his low finals PPG. So we hate on it.

Everyone reading this knows that makes no ****ing sense at all right?

But....we still do it. We have people with us...who think....its reasonable. And I just cant get my head around it.

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain scoring 11 ppg in a playoff series...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain

[QUOTE]In the post-season, the Lakers swept the Chicago Bulls,[93] then went on to face the Milwaukee Bucks of young superstar center and regular-season MVP Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (formerly Lew Alcindor). The matchup between Chamberlain and Abdul-Jabbar was hailed by LIFE magazine as the greatest matchup in all of sports. Chamberlain would help lead the Lakers past Abdul-Jabbar and the Bucks in six games.[93] Particularly, Chamberlain was lauded for his performance in Game 6, which the Lakers won 104

[riseagainst]

1. Lebron

2. Kobe


















who cares.

[Papaya Petee]

Chamberlain has more 70pt games than Wade has 50pt games. Lebron doesn't have any 70 pt games..neither does Jordan so let that sink in

As for chamberlains arms. Huge! Twice the size of Kareem's.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-21-2015/bWYe9P.gif
https://s9.postimg.org/b2eeiqye7/0_wilt_chamberlain_4.jpg

[NumberSix]

1. Kobe
2. Wilt
3. LeBron

[Psileas]

https://s9.postimg.org/b2eeiqye7/0_wilt_chamberlain_4.jpg

http://lichnosti.net/photos/136/sets/3_52357d1556c49.jpg

[aj1987]

Are you seriously comparing a grown up Wilt to a still in middle school Arnold? You guys are delusional AF.

Anyways:

https://s4.postimg.org/6gimppr1p/00wilt_6.jpg
https://s4.postimg.org/40gtbv8z1/bc5c36fb4528e1470e98641de6079c0d.jpg
https://s4.postimg.org/o946xl8a5/wilt_chamberlain_lakers.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-best-bs-arnold-schwarzenegger-wilt-chamberlain-and-andre-the-giant-have-dinner/

Even Arnold, himself, was in awe of Chamberlain's massive strength.

Unquestionably, the strongest man to have ever played in the NBA.

[aj1987]

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-best-bs-arnold-schwarzenegger-wilt-chamberlain-and-andre-the-giant-have-dinner/

Even Arnold, himself, was in awe of Chamberlain's massive ******.

Unquestionably, the most bitchmade man to have ever played in the NBA.
Agreed. :applause: :cheers:

[Psileas]

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-best-bs-arnold-schwarzenegger-wilt-chamberlain-and-andre-the-giant-have-dinner/

Even Arnold, himself, was in awe of Chamberlain's massive strength.

Unquestionably, the strongest man to have ever played in the NBA.

Are you serious? Am I supposed to put Arnold's opinion on Wilt's strength above a prime aj1987's one? :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

Are you serious? Am I supposed to put Arnold's opinion on Wilt's strength above a prime ajackoff's one? :bowdown:

You're right of course. Asking Arnold about strength, and weight-lifting would be like asking Einstein about the theory of relativity. What the hell would those guys know?

[aj1987]

You're right of course. Asking Arnold about strength, and weight-lifting would be like asking Einstein about the theory of relativity. What the hell would those guys know?
Yeah, because there is recorded evidence of Chokerlain pulling those off. Einstein PROVED the theory of relativity. He didn't just say I can do to and leave it at that.

[Papaya Petee]

Yeah, because there is recorded evidence of Chokerlain pulling those off. Einstein PROVED the theory of relativity. He didn't just say I can do to and leave it at that.
:roll: Shit is comical.

These morons can't show us a video of Wilt benching 405, never mind 500. Show me one video of Wilt even benching 365, instead of a million assumptions of how strong he was.

"Because someone said so" like people don't lie about their numbers ALL THE TIME. :roll:

[Psileas]

Yeah, because there is recorded evidence of Chokerlain pulling those off. Einstein PROVED the theory of relativity. He didn't just say I can do to and leave it at that.

What irrelevancies...What matters is that Arnold has known Wilt in person and has interacted with him a lot of times to be entitled to talk about him. You're nothing but an internet hater. There's a reason they called Arnold and not aj1987 to the show and there's a reason people who lived Wilt talk about his strength feats, not his strength claims and boasts.


Shit is comical.

These morons can't show us a video of Wilt benching 405, never mind 500. Show me one video of Wilt even benching 365, instead of a million assumptions of how strong he was.

"Because someone said so" like people don't lie about their numbers ALL THE TIME.

Oh, you got us! I can't even find a video of Wilt bench pressing 100 lbs. Heck, I can't even find a video of Wilt bench pressing anything at all! Seems like Wilt's life apart from his Youtube videos is an elaborate hoax. :eek:

[LAZERUSS]

Yep...no footage of Wilt.

Luckily we DO have footage of Kevin Durant, and Shaq...and we now KNOW who the stronger man really was...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW2-x-0lAQo

First Shaq...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHnQexeFkc

And now KD...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHnQexeFkc

Of course, KD does his MUCH easier than Shaq did his.

KD >>> Shaq


BTW, for those that doubt Wilt couldn't bench 450+...

We have a MUCH smaller 265 lb. Dwight EASILY doing THREE reps of 365...and I would argue that an all-out max, and not after several sets...EASILY 400+.

[egokiller]

Did someone just use the argument of "lack of video evidence" as their basis of reasoning as to why something did not exist?

Generation Z logic. :roll:

[Papaya Petee]

Yep...no footage of Wilt.

Luckily we DO have footage of Kevin Durant, and Shaq...and we now KNOW who the stronger man really was...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW2-x-0lAQo

First Shaq...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHnQexeFkc

And now KD...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHnQexeFkc

Of course, KD does his MUCH easier than Shaq did his.

KD >>> Shaq


BTW, for those that doubt Wilt couldn't bench 450+...

We have a MUCH smaller 265 lb. Dwight EASILY doing THREE reps of 365...and I would argue that an all-out max, and not after several sets...EASILY 400+.

First of all I wont discuss weight lifting with you because you thought Wilt had 23 inch biceps when the worlds biggest bodybuilders dont have 23 inch ARMS not biceps. You tried using arm length as a reason when that doesnt matter.

Second of all if you werent so ****ing retarded youd know size doesnt matter that much when it comes to benching. 181 pound powerlifters have much higher bench numbers than Mr.O 212s that are twice the size. Dwight benches a lot and just happens to have a great bench. Youre so ****ing delusional. Wilt couldnt bench 500, not 455 probably not 405.

[Papaya Petee]

Did someone just use the argument of "lack of video evidence" as their basis of reasoning as to why something did not exist?

Generation Z logic. :roll:
Yes you ****ing ****** I did. Anyone that spends a day at the gym knows that people lie about their PR numbers all the time. Based on "word of mouth" Im supposed to believe Wilt ****ed 20,000 females and killed a mountain lion with bare hands too?

Clowns everywhere

[riseagainst]

I can believe that Wilt could bench 500 based on word of mouth just like how I believe that he's a homo based on word of mouth from his teammates.

[Big164]

Well...I guess it depends on what you are asking them to do. If playing 47 minutes a night and only taking 7 shots a game means youre automatically playing basketball poorly....

Wilt is such an odd case. He was literally playing every second of every game in the playoffs some years and taking 6-9 shots a night. And people talk about his PPG like....he was trying and failing to score. In 73 Wilt played all but like 4 minutes of the entire playoffs and shot under 7 times a game. For comparisons sake...Omer Asik shot over 7 times a game on the Rockets...in only 30 minutes. Wilt....playing 47 minutes a night in a faster era....shot less.

To take that and conclude he was playing poorly when he was doing everything else....as he was asked? Feels kinda childish to me. Like....an adult should glance at it and know to look past the PPG.

If hes out there going 4-21....fine. But hes going 5-7 and 3-6 and now and then 6-13 or so. Hes not....trying to score. How do we then judge him by his scoring...and not the things he was asked to do...which he did better than anyone else?

People posting career averages when they know....KNOW he was making no effort to score the majority of his playoff games....it just feels deceptive.

When you have 6 points on 3-4 shooting....29 rebounds....9 assists...block 9 shots...and win. Thats a bad game because of the 6 points? Of course not. But people look at your averages in the end...and say you only put up 12ppg that series...and dismiss everything else. Dismiss...what you were asked to do. What you were unselfish enough to do for the good of the team.

Most of you do see that right?

Im not alone on this island of common sense am I?

I kinda feel like it at times. I once saw someone talking about how Wilt underperformed even when he won pointing out his 67 ppg. A guy goes out and has 10 points....27 rebounds...9 assists...and 15 blocks in a win. We focus on the 10 points and how it drags his finals average down? Rick Barry took 41 shots that game and lost. Wilt took like 6 and did everything else...and won. But the 10 points...contributes to his low finals PPG. So we hate on it.

Everyone reading this knows that makes no ****ing sense at all right?

But....we still do it. We have people with us...who think....its reasonable. And I just cant get my head around it.
Only logical post in this thread.