Bogut Screens = Warriors Success?

[retaxis]

Lets look waaay back at their championship a couple of years ago. Balanced team in Curry, Draymond, Barnes, Iggy, Livingston etc but they also relied on Bogut and Lee for offence. These guys played offence differently but were team offence players rather than individual offence players (more so for Bogut).

Bogut set those hard screens on PNR, played and dished out at the elbow and could finish lobs/protect the rim with the athleticism. Bogut was also a very cerebral player which shouldn't be dismissed and was an all-nba 2nd team player in his prime (before injury). Lee on the other hand was on the only person on the GSW championship team who could score in the post effectively. When all seems lost and CLE was up 2-1, David Lee put on a clinic on Tristan Thompson and gave them that offensive edge.

Both these guys played approximately 60mins together and provided the team with a lot of team offence (finishing lobs, protecting the paint, setting hard screens etc. Warriors are definitely going to lose that cerebral screen setter, lob finisher, smart passer and shot blocker with Pachulia who probably is at best a bench centre to grind/hustle for a few minutes here and there.

In my opinion losing that depths means more minutes for the starters. Although most of the GSW starters are reasonably healthy (klay and dray) others like Curry and Durant have a history of injuries. Without a deep bench/cerebral bench, (lets be serious GSW has 5 good players including Iggy and thats it) GSW is definitely going to run into trouble here and there with more grind it out teams. If Worst comes to worst, the grind of the season along with physical nature of basketball (hostile teams) and a lack of bench support could cause the GSW to deplete their starters to a degree (similarly to last year chasing the 73 caused injuries to Curry).

[AussieSteve]

Bogut is one of the most underrated players in the game. His work off the ball on offense is probably the best among centers in the league, as is his vision and passing. His rim protection is also among the best in the league (probably top 3), and he has the offensive weapons to score a lot more on the right team.

I think his minutes should increase at Dallas and, if he can remain injury free this year, he could average a double-double and is every chance of being All-NBA 3rd team. The Mavs will definitely get a few more wins than last year with him anchoring their defense.

No doubt the Warriors loose a lot without him. Obviously on defense, but as you say, on offense also. (Whatever they lose on offense, Durant makes up for many times over though.)

[UK2K]

You mean they're less effective if they can't run off illegal screens all night?

No waaaaay.

[hold this L]

Spurs bench 54 - 16 Warrior bench, a 38 point difference. Bogs will definitely be missed big time but the main issued lied elsewhere in this game.

[SCdac]

Definitely need a big like Bogut (who was a #1 overall pick in his draft) to do some of the dirty work in blocking shots, setting tough screens, grabbing O and D rebounds. He was gritty. Zaza and David West are good, but not necessarily shot blockers clogging the paint. Agreed with OP and "Hold this L" that the Warriors' bench will need to improve from game 1, if possible. Looking pretty slim and going to put a big load on the starters. Durant, Curry, Green, Thompson might have to combine for 70-80+ points a game, but certainly there will be easier cake-walk games for GSW throughout the season letting them get into rhythm

[retaxis]

Definitely need a big like Bogut (who was a #1 overall pick in his draft) to do some of the dirty work in blocking shots, setting tough screens, grabbing O and D rebounds. He was gritty. Zaza and David West are good, but not necessarily shot blockers clogging the paint. Agreed with OP and "Hold this L" that the Warriors' bench will need to improve from game 1, if possible. Looking pretty slim and going to put a big load on the starters. Durant, Curry, Green, Thompson might have to combine for 70-80+ points a game, but certainly there will be easier cake-walk games for GSW throughout the season letting them get into rhythm
The GSW warriors will definitely have some easier games throughout the season as you imagined as they will outclass and rebound on weaker teams in the league in the 76ers, magic etc. Other teams however like clippers, okc, sas, cleveland and a host of other teams are going to expose their weakness and force their starters to play hard and play well to win.

[Hoopz2332]

illegal screens? yup:lol

[r0drig0lac]

The GSW warriors will definitely have some easier games throughout the season as you imagined as they will outclass and rebound on weaker teams in the league in the 76ers, magic etc. Other teams however like clippers, okc, sas, cleveland and a host of other teams are going to expose their weakness and force their starters to play hard and play well to win.
76ers and Magic will dominate the boards vs warriors for sure

[Haymaker]

IIRC the Warriors were the best rebounding team the year before they won. They lost too much with the KD acquisition which is why I think they'll come around next year after some adjustments and bench personnel improvements.

[retaxis]

76ers and Magic will dominate the boards vs warriors for sure
"rebound" as in rebound from losses

[Artillery]

underrated impact wise. great rim protector and defender. kept opposing bigs like aldridge in check. no coincidence gsw choked that 3-1 lead in the finals as soon as he went down.

[Jasper]

Lets look waaay back at their championship a couple of years ago. Balanced team in Curry, Draymond, Barnes, Iggy, Livingston etc but they also relied on Bogut and Lee for offence. These guys played offence differently but were team offence players rather than individual offence players (more so for Bogut).

Bogut set those hard screens on PNR, played and dished out at the elbow and could finish lobs/protect the rim with the athleticism. Bogut was also a very cerebral player which shouldn't be dismissed and was an all-nba 2nd team player in his prime (before injury). Lee on the other hand was on the only person on the GSW championship team who could score in the post effectively. When all seems lost and CLE was up 2-1, David Lee put on a clinic on Tristan Thompson and gave them that offensive edge.

Both these guys played approximately 60mins together and provided the team with a lot of team offence (finishing lobs, protecting the paint, setting hard screens etc. Warriors are definitely going to lose that cerebral screen setter, lob finisher, smart passer and shot blocker with Pachulia who probably is at best a bench centre to grind/hustle for a few minutes here and there.

In my opinion losing that depths means more minutes for the starters. Although most of the GSW starters are reasonably healthy (klay and dray) others like Curry and Durant have a history of injuries. Without a deep bench/cerebral bench, (lets be serious GSW has 5 good players including Iggy and thats it) GSW is definitely going to run into trouble here and there with more grind it out teams. If Worst comes to worst, the grind of the season along with physical nature of basketball (hostile teams) and a lack of bench support could cause the GSW to deplete their starters to a degree (similarly to last year chasing the 73 caused injuries to Curry).
Durant will set those hard as$ picks now , and play post game , to fill a need to win a chip instead of camping out at the 3 point line with the rest of the soft as$ players warriors have.

[scm5]

You guys are crazy. This was one game, the Warriors are going to dominate everyone once they figure a few things out.

It's not just the rebounding, it's the defensive rotations. Last season they were a well oiled machine, everyone knew where they needed to be. This translates into their rebounding as well, pretty much hand in hand with their defensive rotations. They got killed last night not because they can't board, but because they were scrambling defensively.

REMEMBER: Their death lineup, for all intents and purposes got an upgrade with KD over Barnes. This was their most effective lineup and there's no reason to think anything changed by replacing Barnes with KD.

Either way, I'm excited af that this is how the new season began. If it were the other way around, everyone (including me) would be crying about how stacked the Warriors are and how something needs to be done or the league will suffer.

[PP34Deuce]

it was one game and I don't know if the Spurs player Simmons will score 15-20 points regularly.

They have no rim protectors though. McGee is not the athlete he used to be.

[moongaze]

underrated impact wise. great rim protector and defender. kept opposing bigs like aldridge in check. no coincidence gsw choked that 3-1 lead in the finals as soon as he went down.

He was a net negative the entire series. Was one of the worst players on either team. Outside of game 2, he was ineffective the entire series and got picked apart in the pick and roll. Silver state had its worst loss of the series with him playing

[moongaze]

How about that bogus. Worst +/- on the team. So bad the mavericks could only play him 20 minutes. Silver state fans need to realize that they were fortunate he got injured in the finals. He was the worst player on either team.

[pedromarinho]

How about that bogus. Worst +/- on the team. So bad the mavericks could only play him 20 minutes. Silver state fans need to realize that they were fortunate he got injured in the finals. He was the worst player on either team.
Stop talking shit man. Bbal is not only stats.

Stats are empty most of the time.

On offense, Bogut always would give the basketball the best possible outcome to help the team. An assist to an assist per say. That does not come in empty stats.

On deffende I don't need to say nothing, just watch the ****ing games.

[Nick Young]

Yep. They suck without cheating screens.

[moongaze]

Stop talking shit man. Bbal is not only stats.

Stats are empty most of the time.

On offense, Bogut always would give the basketball the best possible outcome to help the team. An assist to an assist per say. That does not come in empty stats.

On deffende I don't need to say nothing, just watch the ****ing games.

Theres no way around that stat. Warrior fans are crying that bogut would have made such a difference while ignoring tge fact that the warriors were badly outscored when he played. So saying he would have been a difference maker is illogical. Just watch the games? You mean, like just throw out all objective data and analysis in favor of personal bias? Bogus sucks. He sucked in the finals and he sucks ass in Dallas. The only reason the warriors came back down 2-1 in the 2015 finals is because they benched him and went more small ball.