76ers Bow to Pressure, Apologise to the Singer Wearing the "We Matter" Jersey

[dunksby]

[QUOTE]76ers apologize to singer they stopped from performing national anthem over 'We Matter' jersey

The Philadelphia 76ers apologized Friday to recording artist Sevyn Streeter for stopping her from singing the national anthem at their 2016-17 NBA season opener after the singer appeared at Wells Fargo Center wearing a jersey bearing the phrase

[tmacattack33]

I'm sure some of the players were angry as well...given that they are all black, besides Saric and Rodriguez.

So, no, it's no "shame". It's just doing what they gotta do.

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Lol. Their original statement was (paraphrasing):

"Basketball games are supposed to unite us and not divide us" or some shit like that. Lol.

A shirt that says "We Matter" is divisive somehow? I knew it was a matter of time before this was revisited. They fvcked up...

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Not sure if half of the posters even live in the U.S on this forum....

But it's not just the players...trust me. It's Philly as a whole.

[dunksby]

Lol. Their original statement was (paraphrasing):

"Basketball games are supposed to unite us and not divide us" or some shit like that. Lol.

A shirt that says "We Matter" is divisive somehow? I knew it was a matter of time before this was revisited. They fvcked up...
She was hired to sing the anthem, not take the performance hostage to garner publicity for herself. Either way, by apologising they have exposed themselves to criticism because now they have taken the blame.

[Euroleague]

Lol. Their original statement was (paraphrasing):

"Basketball games are supposed to unite us and not divide us" or some shit like that. Lol.

A shirt that says "We Matter" is divisive somehow? I knew it was a matter of time before this was revisited. They fvcked up...

NBA owners are almost all extreme right wingers.

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She was hired to sing the anthem, not take the performance hostage to garner publicity for herself. Either way, by apologising they have exposed themselves to criticism because now they have taken the blame.

I agree with you to some degree, but that wasn't the Sixers' statement. That's your statement.


Her shirt said "We Matter", bruh.

We Matter. On what planet is that divisive?

[Smoke117]

She was hired to sing the anthem, not take the performance hostage to garner publicity for herself. Either way, by apologising they have exposed themselves to criticism because now they have taken the blame.

Exactly. Make a political statement on your own time. Most of the players in the NBA may be black, but most of the consumers buying the product are white.

[FreezingTsmoove]

OP a confirmed racist :facepalm

#WeMatter

[HenryGarfunkle]

:facepalm

Why the ****ing backtrack?

They were absolutely right to begin with. This BLM movement needs to be eradicated and shunned in every single capacity. We can no longer allow racists blacks to spread their cancer. ****ing tired of it.

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NBA owners are almost all extreme right wingers.

Except Mark Cuban an a few others.

There's gonna be some shit done this season. Guaranteed.

Fans loved to be entertained? Cool. It's gonna go beyond basketball this season. Mark my words.

The NFL can get away with the jingoistic nature surrounding military and etc.

The NBA players are more educated, paid more and have more fans globally.

[dunksby]

I agree with you to some degree, but that wasn't the Sixers' statement. That's your statement.


Her shirt said "We Matter", bruh.

We Matter. On what planet is that divisive?
I'm not saying it was "divisive", as you said, it's the 76ers statement. My point is that she was there to sing the anthem, 76ers were right to stop her no matter what issue she wanted to raise or refer to. She could have had "Pro Life", "Leaks", "Women" or "YOLO" for that matter written on her jersey and the results would be the same.

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Lol @ We Matter being racist.

Just /thread now.

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I'm not saying it was "divisive", as you said, it's the 76ers statement. My point is that she was there to sing the anthem, 76ers were right to stop her no matter what issue she wanted to raise or refer to. She could have had "Pro Life", "Leaks", "Women" or "YOLO" for that matter written on her jersey and the results would be the same.

WILD speculation. Lol. But I feel you. They're a private organization that has the right make those decisions. But my not expressing themselves in a clear and concise manner and later backpedalling, it's not a good look.

Seems like someone made the decision unilaterally and impulsively.

[dunksby]

WILD speculation. Lol. But I feel you. They're a private organization that has the right make those decisions. But my not expressing themselves in a clear and concise manner and later backpedalling, it's not a good look.

Seems like someone made the decision unilaterally and impulsively.
I agree, 76ers management of the issue has been disastrous, they should have kept everything low profile and dealt with her privately. Now They have even taken the blame for everything and become vulnerable.

[PJR]

To deny her to perform, by something so benign like "We Matter" is just unbelievable.

But then you remember the history of this country, so no reason to be surprised.

[atljonesbro]

Who is this signer? I'm pretty sure she's trying to get free publicity seeing as how Kaepernick actually saved himself from being cut to being able to pressure the 49ers into actually starting him :lol . Easy way to get your name out in this attention wh0re society we got going on today.

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Who is this signer? I'm pretty sure she's trying to get free publicity seeing as how Kaepernick actually saved himself from being cut to being able to pressure the 49ers into actually starting him :lol . Easy way to get your name out in this attention wh0re society we got going on today.

Silent protests are now a cry for publicity?

Lol. Wtf? Now way you're from atlanta. I'm from Atlanta and don't know any people that think like that besides bigots or ignorant people.

In America, African Americans NEVER protest at a convenient time, apparently :lol

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To deny her to perform, by something so benign like "We Matter" is just unbelievable.

But then you remember the history of this country, so no reason to be surprised.

This is a country that was salivating over the thought of MLK getting taken out about 50 years ago. Numerous murder attempts and threats on his life during his time. Remember, this was the PEACEFUL guy.

Now we celebrate MLK's death (or legacy, depending on how you look at it) while attempting to pacify other peaceful protestors of the 21 century.

Lol.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Black Lives Matter movement ...

Yet in a small neighborhood of the south side of Chicago, blacks killing blacks at record rates. Way more than police officers using excessive force. Even neutrons and civilians get popped for literally no reason at all.

If we stop identifying purely on skin color maybe we can all get a long. When I call Draymond Green an ape, it's not because of his skin color.

It's because he looks structurally like an ape, and behaves like one too.

[Smoke117]

Black Lives Matter movement ...

Yet in a small neighborhood of the south side of Chicago, blacks killing blacks at record rates. Way more than police officers using excessive force. Even neutrons and civilians get popped for literally no reason at all.

If we stop identifying purely on skin color maybe we can all get a long. When I call Draymond Green an ape, it's not because of his skin color.

It's because he looks structurally like an ape, and behaves like one too.

What about the protons?

[MrFonzworth]

What about the protons?

#ElectronParticlesMatter

[GOBB]

Black Lives Matter movement ...

Yet in a small neighborhood of the south side of Chicago, blacks killing blacks at record rates. Way more than police officers using excessive force. Even neutrons and civilians get popped for literally no reason at all.

If we stop identifying purely on skin color maybe we can all get a long. When I call Draymond Green an ape, it's not because of his skin color.

It's because he looks structurally like an ape, and behaves like one too.

You left out white privilege in your post.

[ArbitraryWater]

who the fck uses the country's anthem to push their own political agenda :facepalm

and then a divisive one at that... sad Sixers.

[bdreason]

Should've just let her sing and nobody would have given a shit.

[SpaceJam]

#SixersFansMatter

[atljonesbro]

Silent protests are now a cry for publicity?

Lol. Wtf? Now way you're from atlanta. I'm from Atlanta and don't know any people that think like that besides bigots or ignorant people.

In America, African Americans NEVER protest at a convenient time, apparently :lol
Shit man I'm just not naive. It's not a coincidence Kaep is all the sudden worked up when he's about to get cut and they hired Kelly. He pushed the political agenda so much it pressured the 49ers into ACTUALLY starting the guy :lol . He's barely thrown over 50%. I'm just saying these no name entertainers see this and they'd wanna get some of the free publicity. I'd do the same thing if i were in their position.

[fourkicks44]

Should've just let her sing and nobody would have given a shit.

This

Any heat would have been directed at her and not the organization. Which Im sure she was fine with and would have been prepared for or she wouldn't have worn it in the first place.

Sixers were right to apologize though.

[PWB15]

shouldn't it say we matter too?

[PWB15]

Black Lives Matter movement ...

Yet in a small neighborhood of the south side of Chicago, blacks killing blacks at record rates. Way more than police officers using excessive force. Even neutrons and civilians get popped for literally no reason at all.

If we stop identifying purely on skin color maybe we can all get a long. When I call Draymond Green an ape, it's not because of his skin color.

It's because he looks structurally like an ape, and behaves like one too.

shouldn't it be Black Lives Matter too?

[dgaras]

we matter is racist like BLM is a terrorist organization. i wonder how many posters are black? cause then itd make sense

[yeaaaman]

Black Lives Matter movement ...

Yet in a small neighborhood of the south side of Chicago, blacks killing blacks at record rates. Way more than police officers using excessive force. Even neutrons and civilians get popped for literally no reason at all.

If we stop identifying purely on skin color maybe we can all get a long. When I call Draymond Green an ape, it's not because of his skin color.

It's because he looks structurally like an ape, and behaves like one too.

The funny part is, people choose exactly what BLM stands for, and then associate that with anything that has to do with any black rights movement.

If people like yourself and others actually cared to do something other than react to the BLM alone, you would see that there are pastors, community members, ex gang-members, parents, teachers, politicians and all sorts of others who get together in Chicago to address exactly what you're talking about, and have been for some time.

So, essentially, BLM shouldn't have a voice because they need to be speaking about black shootings in Chicago, although that's not what their focus is? Do breast cancer initiatives need to cease their work until they address lung cancer? That doesn't make sense now does it.

It's understandable to point out other issues in the black community, because there are many. Unfortunately, there are also many issues in the American society as a whole. People feeling threatened by someone saying "we matter" should speak to that fact.

No offense intended, but many people, particularly white people in the US get extremely uncomfortable, and often times upset when a group of people who have been historically marginalized and may continue to be so speak out on that issue, it's often met with heavy resistance from certain members of that community, and a general message along the lines of "slavery ended a hundred years ago/racism doesn't exist anymore, and if you think it does and you don't like it then get out of our country!"

Seriously, the fact that "we matter" is seen as a political statement should tell you all you need to know about race relations in the US and how far they still need to go.

[yeaaaman]

we matter is racist like BLM is a terrorist organization. i wonder how many posters are black? cause then itd make sense

Do you know what racism is? How is "we matter" racist?

[GOBB]

The funny part is, people choose exactly what BLM stands for, and then associate that with anything that has to do with any black rights movement.

If people like yourself and others actually cared to do something other than react to the BLM alone, you would see that there are pastors, community members, ex gang-members, parents, teachers, politicians and all sorts of others who get together in Chicago to address exactly what you're talking about, and have been for some time.

So, essentially, BLM shouldn't have a voice because they need to be speaking about black shootings in Chicago, although that's not what their focus is? Do breast cancer initiatives need to cease their work until they address lung cancer? That doesn't make sense now does it.

It's understandable to point out other issues in the black community, because there are many. Unfortunately, there are also many issues in the American society as a whole. People feeling threatened by someone saying "we matter" should speak to that fact.

No offense intended, but many people, particularly white people in the US get extremely uncomfortable, and often times upset when a group of people who have been historically marginalized and may continue to be so speak out on that issue, it's often met with heavy resistance from certain members of that community, and a general message along the lines of "slavery ended a hundred years ago/racism doesn't exist anymore, and if you think it does and you don't like it then get out of our country!"

Seriously, the fact that "we matter" is seen as a political statement should tell you all you need to know about race relations in the US and how far they still need to go.

Home run, take your bases

[luckylucy]

IQ matters

[tomtucker]

if you

[HenryGarfunkle]

The funny part is, people choose exactly what BLM stands for, and then associate that with anything that has to do with any black rights movement.

If people like yourself and others actually cared to do something other than react to the BLM alone, you would see that there are pastors, community members, ex gang-members, parents, teachers, politicians and all sorts of others who get together in Chicago to address exactly what you're talking about, and have been for some time.

So, essentially, BLM shouldn't have a voice because they need to be speaking about black shootings in Chicago, although that's not what their focus is? Do breast cancer initiatives need to cease their work until they address lung cancer? That doesn't make sense now does it.

It's understandable to point out other issues in the black community, because there are many. Unfortunately, there are also many issues in the American society as a whole. People feeling threatened by someone saying "we matter" should speak to that fact.

No offense intended, but many people, particularly white people in the US get extremely uncomfortable, and often times upset when a group of people who have been historically marginalized and may continue to be so speak out on that issue, it's often met with heavy resistance from certain members of that community, and a general message along the lines of "slavery ended a hundred years ago/racism doesn't exist anymore, and if you think it does and you don't like it then get out of our country!"

Seriously, the fact that "we matter" is seen as a political statement should tell you all you need to know about race relations in the US and how far they still need to go.
You're retarded. The general message isn't "slavery ended a hundred years ago, racism doesn't exist"

The general message is "Constantly talking about race and separating the black race from every other race just creates MORE racism"

The BLM movement is counter-productive and is only making the racism "problem" WORSE and IDIOTIC MORONS like you just don't get that or couldn't possibly comprehend that.

Like Morgan Freeman said... the only way to stop racism is to STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.

[Edgar Friendly]

How many people make things worse for themselves by apologizing for something that needs no apology. :facepalm

All they had to say is that while they respect her opinion and recognize the struggle she was trying to bring to light, they just wanted someone to sing the anthem without controversy or making their own personal statement.

[SamuraiSWISH]

The BLM movement is counter-productive and is only making the racism "problem" WORSE and IDIOTIC MORONS like you just don't get that or couldn't possibly comprehend that.

Like Morgan Freeman said... the only way to stop racism is to STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.
Yup. It's race bait and the media perpetuates it, ultimately and possibly to divide us. By focusing on protecting a specific race, it breeds more racism, through a racist mindset.

Don't sit here and act like racism is exclusive to people of a white skin color. We have to destroy the identifying factors of skin color. That doesn't happen with dumb movements like Black Lives Matter.

Oh and a black man was just president of the free world for two consecutive terms. Almost 10 years. Cry me a river about being historically marginalized.

How racist of a society do you think America still is if something like that came to fruition? It's all woe is me crap. Damn near every race, religion, creed or ethnicity has been persecuted at some point. Maybe not as recent or as long but seriously time to put your big boy pants on.

Black lives matter, yes. All lives matter, yes. If black men didn't create the ever loving stereotype of them being hoodlums, many of these police who have to protect their lives from these same fools on a daily basis might not be so anxious or trigger happy out of fear.

[Edgar Friendly]

Yup. It's race bait and the media perpetuates it, ultimately and possibly to divide us. By focusing on protecting a specific race, it breeds more racism, through a racist mindset.

Don't sit here and act like racism is exclusive to people of a white skin color. We have to destroy the identifying factors of skin color. That doesn't happen with dumb movements like Black Lives Matter.

Oh and a black man was just president of the free world for two consecutive terms. Almost 10 years. Cry me a river about being historically marginalized.

How racist of a society do you think America still is if something like that came to fruition? It's all woe is me crap. Damn near every race, religion, creed or ethnicity has been persecuted at some point. Maybe not as recent or as long but seriously time to put your big boy pants on.

Black lives matter, yes. All lives matter, yes. If black men didn't create the ever loving stereotype of them being hoodlums, many of these police who have to protect their lives from these same fools on a daily basis might not be so anxious or trigger happy out of fear.


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[HenryGarfunkle]

Yup. It's race bait and the media perpetuates it, ultimately and possibly to divide us. By focusing on protecting a specific race, it breeds more racism, through a racist mindset.

Don't sit here and act like racism is exclusive to people of a white skin color. We have to destroy the identifying factors of skin color. That doesn't happen with dumb movements like Black Lives Matter.

Oh and a black man was just president of the free world for two consecutive terms. Almost 10 years. Cry me a river about being historically marginalized.

How racist of a society do you think America still is if something like that came to fruition? It's all woe is me crap. Damn near every race, religion, creed or ethnicity has been persecuted at some point. Maybe not as recent or as long but seriously time to put your big boy pants on.

Black lives matter, yes. All lives matter, yes. If black men didn't create the ever loving stereotype of them being hoodlums, many of these police who have to protect their lives from these same fools on a daily basis might not be so anxious or trigger happy out of fear.

Agree with everything but the bolded. Well said coach.

:applause:

[longtime lurker]

I'm not saying it was "divisive", as you said, it's the 76ers statement. My point is that she was there to sing the anthem, 76ers were right to stop her no matter what issue she wanted to raise or refer to. She could have had "Pro Life", "Leaks", "Women" or "YOLO" for that matter written on her jersey and the results would be the same.

Would you say the same thing if she was wearing a "Fight Breast Cancer" shirt? 76ers have the right to do everything they did but in the context of the actual shirt its absolutely ridiculous to make this the hill they die on.

[longtime lurker]

The funny part is, people choose exactly what BLM stands for, and then associate that with anything that has to do with any black rights movement.

If people like yourself and others actually cared to do something other than react to the BLM alone, you would see that there are pastors, community members, ex gang-members, parents, teachers, politicians and all sorts of others who get together in Chicago to address exactly what you're talking about, and have been for some time.

So, essentially, BLM shouldn't have a voice because they need to be speaking about black shootings in Chicago, although that's not what their focus is? Do breast cancer initiatives need to cease their work until they address lung cancer? That doesn't make sense now does it.

It's understandable to point out other issues in the black community, because there are many. Unfortunately, there are also many issues in the American society as a whole. People feeling threatened by someone saying "we matter" should speak to that fact.

No offense intended, but many people, particularly white people in the US get extremely uncomfortable, and often times upset when a group of people who have been historically marginalized and may continue to be so speak out on that issue, it's often met with heavy resistance from certain members of that community, and a general message along the lines of "slavery ended a hundred years ago/racism doesn't exist anymore, and if you think it does and you don't like it then get out of our country!"

Seriously, the fact that "we matter" is seen as a political statement should tell you all you need to know about race relations in the US and how far they still need to go.

Good luck trying to explain race to relations to the people on this messageboard

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Lol. Americans REFUSE to have a legit conversation about race relations. It's like there's only 2 eras of black history: Slavery era and now. Lol.

No one ever mentions the black codes or Jim Crow. Just weird, I guess. Americans are funny. They move on fast because they want a clean conscience.

[PJR]

Ignorant White people REFUSE to have a legit conversation about race relations. It's like there's only 2 eras of black history: Slavery era and now. Lol.

No one ever mentions the black codes or Jim Crow. Just weird, I guess. Americans are funny. They move on fast because they want a clean conscience.

Fixed it for you. But you're exactly right.

They hate benign social justice movements like "We matter", because it makes them feel uncomfortable. The want history to be whitewashed and forgotten. But it's not going to happen.

[ArbitraryWater]

Fixed it for you. But you're exactly right.

They hate benign social justice movements like "We matter", because it makes them feel uncomfortable. The want history to be whitewashed and forgotten. But it's not going to happen.

Oh PJR loves BLM but is anti Islam? :oldlol:

Like BLM isn't violent like the Islam folks you speak of?

[Chuckbrook]

Wow! The racism is strong in this thread.

-Brook

[PJR]

Oh PJR loves BLM but is anti Islam? :oldlol:

Like BLM isn't violent like the Islam folks you speak of?

Anti Islam? What are you taking about, dickhead? Lol Clearly you have me mistaken. I'm not an xenophobic in the least bit.

[Hotlantadude81]

She was going to do the Colin shit.To hell with her.

[Orlando Magic]

A shirt that says "We Matter" is divisive somehow? I knew it was a matter of time before this was revisited. They fvcked up...

At face value, no. But when you examine the entire landscape of this "story" that's been playing out for the past 5 or so years in the media... uh... yeah. Yes it is.

Inter race relations have gotten worse during Obama's presidency... mainly due to the media finding a story and latching on like a ****ing pitbull, but also in part due to his own refusal to admit that the "black" side of the story is bullshit.

[Hey Yo]

Except Mark Cuban an a few others.

There's gonna be some shit done this season. Guaranteed.

Fans loved to be entertained? Cool. It's gonna go beyond basketball this season. Mark my words.

The NFL can get away with the jingoistic nature surrounding military and etc.

The NBA players are more educated, paid more and have more fans globally.
link?

[Smoke117]

Coach trying to act like he's not a racist...I've seen him talk shit on hispanics, asians, and blacks.

[Hotlantadude81]

I seriously doubt the NBA wants a 20-30 drop in viewership like the NFL.

[Hey Yo]

Theyre paid more, that much is fact. But both NBA players and NFL players are retarded monkeys. At least the black ones.
NFL players (2 types, offensive and defensive) paid to play 16 games a season plus the possibility of 2-3 extra postseason games. Then factor minutes per game played.

NBA 82gms plus the fact that you would play an extra 16gms in the postseason (usually more). They have to play both offense and defense and play prob. an avg of 25+ min. per game.

A lot of things factor into it.


edit: How did "ISHGoat" make his post disappear w/o it still showing his name.... that he did indeed post what I quoted above?

[theaussieguy]

the BLM movement will set back race relations in the USA by 30 years. Not everyone has the ability to constantly bear in mind the horrific circumstances their ancestors imposed on African Americans because they were not their to witness it and the notion that such guilt can be passed on through generations with any real understanding of the impact is contrived and not very realistic. It is still real for the African Americans so I understand the view point. This movement will inevitably result in a push back by white America if it hasn't occurred already. Just another swing of the pendulum, oneday equilibrium will be reached.

[Real Men Wear Green]

edit: How did "ISHGoat" make his post disappear w/o it still showing his name.... that he did indeed post what I quoted above?
He crossed a line so action was taken.

[Hey Yo]

He crossed a line so action was taken.
That action was pretty damn quick.

Thanks for the response.

[boldarblood]

I completely respect and understand the needs for #blacklivesmatter. It is a very serious situation and there is no doubt that things need to change. I 100% support the need to have activism and applaud them for peaceful demonstrations. Though the people that are protesting, the moment they block traffic they lose me 100% of the time, and applaud when cops start to arrest them (only a complete waste of a person would block traffic, there are people that need to get to work, that could lose there jobs by being late. They could block a emergency vehicle (ambulance or fire engine) - get out of the roads you stupid cretins.

Now this lady, agreed to do the national anthem. By pulling a stunt like that, you make the group and yourself look like a complete buffoon. All these singers kneeling, wearing protests shirts, get the **** off the stage you hags.

It does not matter what color, race, religion, small, tall, fat, skinny, etc you are, we all have the responsibility to treat each other with respect and understanding.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Now this lady, agreed to do the national anthem. By pulling a stunt like that, you make the group and yourself look like a complete buffoon. If she was given guidelines for how to dress and violated them then she shouldn't have done that (Note: I don't know whether or not they told her not to make any kind of political statements). Otherwise the Sixers screwed up and made a big issue out of something that otherwise wouldn't have garnered much national attention. Even if they hate BLM they shou,d realize that they gave the movement it's lifeblood, attention, by keeping her from performing. What they should have done is politely asked her to change clothes if it was a big deal to them. And then, if she was told beforehand to be apolitical they would be beyond reproach for not allowing her to perform. Businesses have every right to try and present an apolitical image. But if she was canned with no warning they were definitely in the wrong and owed her that apology.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Coach trying to act like he's not a racist...I've seen him talk shit on hispanics, asians, and blacks.
I talk shit about white people too. Because I am ahead of the curve. I'm not afraid to make fun of such arbitrary, and moronic set of limitations people cling to define themselves by ...

[Pointguard]

The funny part is, people choose exactly what BLM stands for, and then associate that with anything that has to do with any black rights movement.

If people like yourself and others actually cared to do something other than react to the BLM alone, you would see that there are pastors, community members, ex gang-members, parents, teachers, politicians and all sorts of others who get together in Chicago to address exactly what you're talking about, and have been for some time.

So, essentially, BLM shouldn't have a voice because they need to be speaking about black shootings in Chicago, although that's not what their focus is? Do breast cancer initiatives need to cease their work until they address lung cancer? That doesn't make sense now does it.

It's understandable to point out other issues in the black community, because there are many. Unfortunately, there are also many issues in the American society as a whole. People feeling threatened by someone saying "we matter" should speak to that fact.

No offense intended, but many people, particularly white people in the US get extremely uncomfortable, and often times upset when a group of people who have been historically marginalized and may continue to be so speak out on that issue, it's often met with heavy resistance from certain members of that community, and a general message along the lines of "slavery ended a hundred years ago/racism doesn't exist anymore, and if you think it does and you don't like it then get out of our country!"

Seriously, the fact that "we matter" is seen as a political statement should tell you all you need to know about race relations in the US and how far they still need to go.

Well Said and ON POINT.

[Pointguard]

Yup. It's race bait and the media perpetuates it, ultimately and possibly to divide us. By focusing on protecting a specific race, it breeds more racism, through a racist mindset.

Don't sit here and act like racism is exclusive to people of a white skin color. We have to destroy the identifying factors of skin color.
Wow, your inner Hitler has just spoken. I'm sure that came out wrong.


Oh and a black man was just president of the free world for two consecutive terms. Almost 10 years. Cry me a river about being historically marginalized.
So if an American Indian becomes President they weren't marginalized??? And then you used the word historically??? Do you know what it means? So Blacks are not suppose to talk about their denial of credit, loans, grants and access to what others get in plentiful ways because you basically don't know what is happening to the race?


How racist of a society do you think America still is if something like that came to fruition? It's all woe is me crap.
Even in slavery, you can't repress all the best. The best man for the job got the job sometimes. But not all the time. President Obama talked about the racial divide til now and when he first ran.


Damn near every race, religion, creed or ethnicity has been persecuted at some point. Maybe not as recent or as long but seriously time to put your big boy pants on.
They always had big boy pants on. Obama wasn't the first like himself. Frederick Douglass was forbidden to read and he would have scorched Lincoln in a debate. What about the American Indian. You don't believe in their plight either right.


Black lives matter, yes. All lives matter, yes. If black men didn't create the ever loving stereotype of them being hoodlums, many of these police who have to protect their lives from these same fools on a daily basis might not be so anxious or trigger happy out of fear. And American Indians are facing genocide because people like you are in denial of any social problem existing. The first thing about change is admitting to the problem. No official document does this for Indians and Blacks and most people are followers and just ignorant of what they are going thru. And yes, denial of loans, giving trumped up charges and false charges frequently, bullying people too much, garbage schools and way too many people acting totally ignorant to the problem, is the problem.

[Edgar Friendly]

Wow, your inner Hitler has just spoken. I'm sure that came out wrong.

So if an American Indian becomes President they weren't marginalized??? And then you used the word historically??? Do you know what it means? So Blacks are not suppose to talk about their denial of credit, loans, grants and access to what others get in plentiful ways because you basically don't know what is happening to the race?

Even in slavery, you can't repress all the best. The best man for the job got the job sometimes. But not all the time. President Obama talked about the racial divide til now and when he first ran.

They always had big boy pants on. Obama wasn't the first like himself. Frederick Douglass was forbidden to read and he would have scorched Lincoln in a debate. What about the American Indian. You don't believe in their plight either right.
And American Indians are facing genocide because people like you are in denial of any social problem existing. The first thing about change is admitting to the problem. No official document does this for Indians and Blacks and most people are followers and just ignorant of what they are going thru. And yes, denial of loans, giving trumped up charges and false charges frequently, bullying people too much, garbage schools and way too many people acting totally ignorant to the problem, is the problem.


Having a victim mentality will only hold you back. Sack up and stop whining already. This is America. Blacks and native Americans have more opportunity here than anywhere else in the world. Genocide? :roll: Native Americans are treated better than any other ethnic group in the US including whites. In Mexico, Central and South America, where they have significant populations, they are treated like 2nd class citizens. Blacks are having bigger problems all around the world, especially in the nations they run. Slavery and genocide still exists in black run countries you know. Besides, African Americans aren't really truly black, they are a white and black mixture.

The opportunity is here in the US more than any other place in the world. Blacks need to stop electing leaders that keep telling them they are inferior, and can't pick themselves up on their own. There's very little racism and discrimination in the US, however there is a big problem with political and opinion leaders having a vested interest in keeping people down, by giving them excuses to fail.

[Pointguard]

Having a victim mentality will only hold you back. Sack up and stop whining already. :lol Pretty sure my situation is better off than most. I never took a victim mentality and most who talk about their racial problems don't either. If you were experienced in life you would know that its never whining when you want something better for your progeny. Or you are more than likely just not exposed to most realities. Only a selfish idiot would still speak like you do if they already had kids. I know that you don't have kids and as of right now and can't even think like a parent. And you got some age on you. If you think its whining... that's on you because you still got some growing to do.


This is America. Blacks and native Americans have more opportunity here than anywhere else in the world. Genocide? :roll: Native Americans are treated better than any other ethnic group in the US including whites.

Do you even know what genocide means? Please tell me that you don't think it has something to do with treatment like that incredibly stupid statement above suggest. Maybe you don't know that if you kill 50 million but treat the 20 million living pretty good, its not ok.


In Mexico, Central and South America, where they have significant populations, they are treated like 2nd class citizens. Blacks are having bigger problems all around the world, especially in the nations they run. Slavery and genocide still exists in black run countries you know. Besides, African Americans aren't really truly black, they are a white and black mixture.
African Americans are a mixture of American Indians and Whites. But so what? That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Why are you bringing it up.


The opportunity is here in the US more than any other place in the world. Blacks need to stop electing leaders that keep telling them they are inferior, and can't pick themselves up on their own. I am unaware such a leader exist. Who are you talking about? This is your imagination running wild. You know very little about African Americans. Their struggle, their plight. You know very little about American Indians and their plight.


There's very little racism and discrimination in the US, however there is a big problem with political and opinion leaders having a vested interest in keeping people down, by giving them excuses to fail.
How would you know. Have you been Black? This is your imagination. This is why I said you have to admit there is a problem before it can get better. Otherwise its denial and crazy rants like this one. You want to believe you know about things you never experienced or even have any sensibility towards.

I await your reply.

[Edgar Friendly]

:lol Pretty sure my situation is better off than most. I never took a victim mentality and most who talk about their racial problems don't either. If you were experienced in life you would know that its never whining when you want something better for your progeny. Or you are more than likely just not exposed to most realities. Only a selfish idiot would still speak like you do if they already had kids. I know that you don't have kids and as of right now and can't even think like a parent. And you got some age on you. If you think its whining... that's on you because you still got some growing to do.

Do you even know what genocide means? Please tell me that you don't think it has something to do with treatment like that incredibly stupid statement above suggest. Maybe you don't know that if you kill 50 million but treat the 20 million living pretty good, its not ok.

African Americans are a mixture of American Indians and Whites. But so what? That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Why are you bringing it up.
I am unaware such a leader exist. Who are you talking about? This is your imagination running wild. You know very little about African Americans. Their struggle, their plight. You know very little about American Indians and their plight.
How would you know. Have you been Black? This is your imagination. This is why I said you have to admit there is a problem before it can get better. Otherwise its denial and crazy rants like this one. You want to believe you know about things you never experienced or even have any sensibility towards.

I await your reply.

Like 99+% of African Americans, I am multi-racial.

Keep feeling sorry for yourself. Let me know how that works out for you in 10 years

[Pointguard]

Like 99+% of African Americans, I am multi-racial.

Keep feeling sorry for yourself. Let me know how that works out for you in 10 years
Show me any instance in which I reflect anything like I feel sorry for myself? I've always done inspirational work. The better question is where did you pick up this self hate thing? I could tell you were one who was confused with his identity and that you had no children - a good thing because you are still on the level of thinking that its all about you and the way you do things. And don't blame your parents, its your problem now. Only you can right the ship. Its never whining to want more for your children. You didn't get it because you hate your station in life and rather just reject it. You were insensitive to the American Indian above perhaps because you don't know better. Or, more likely, you are used to being this way.

And you were like this when I first came on these boards. You always were rejecting a part of yourself. You are what you are and its good enough once you embace your whole self. Stop looking for separation and be yourself. You will always be running if you reject your station in life.

You call it feeling sorry for yourself if you fight for your children. You have to find out how you got like this and why you still embrace that. Amazingly, you think others are the victim because they care. All the while you are insensitive and ill informed. You are in a bad place but you have to admit first before you can move on. Self hate is the worst ennemy of the mind.

[KungFuJoe]

If BLM bothers you in any way you're a racist. Or just plain stupid.

[Dro]

Lol. Their original statement was (paraphrasing):

"Basketball games are supposed to unite us and not divide us" or some shit like that. Lol.

A shirt that says "We Matter" is divisive somehow? I knew it was a matter of time before this was revisited. They fvcked up...
Exactly..But I'm glad they acknowledged it, not matter how much people want to sweep this issue under the rug.

[Dro]

Show me any instance in which I reflect anything like I feel sorry for myself? I've always done inspirational work. The better question is where did you pick up this self hate thing? I could tell you were one who was confused with his identity and that you had no children - a good thing because you are still on the level of thinking that its all about you and the way you do things. And don't blame your parents, its your problem now. Only you can right the ship. Its never whining to want more for your children. You didn't get it because you hate your station in life and rather just reject it. You were insensitive to the American Indian above perhaps because you don't know better. Or, more likely, you are used to being this way.

And you were like this when I first came on these boards. You always were rejecting a part of yourself. You are what you are and its good enough once you embace your whole self. Stop looking for separation and be yourself. You will always be running if you reject your station in life.

You call it feeling sorry for yourself if you fight for your children. You have to find out how you got like this and why you still embrace that. Amazingly, you think others are the victim because they care. All the while you are insensitive and ill informed. You are in a bad place but you have to admit first before you can move on. Self hate is the worst ennemy of the mind.
Point Guard. Don't do it, you're wasting your breath. Just like when we discussed this a couple weeks ago. Folks just don't understand, they're going to call you a "whiner" or whatever else. Just let it go bro.

[Dro]

Wow! The racism is strong in this thread.

-Brook
This is the net bro, racism is strong everywhere but I see people still haven't grasped that racism is an economic thing, nothing to do with "race". But, read the comments section of ANY news story and you'll see its nothing but a haven for racists, black and white.

[Dro]

the BLM movement will set back race relations in the USA by 30 years. Not everyone has the ability to constantly bear in mind the horrific circumstances their ancestors imposed on African Americans because they were not their to witness it and the notion that such guilt can be passed on through generations with any real understanding of the impact is contrived and not very realistic. It is still real for the African Americans so I understand the view point. This movement will inevitably result in a push back by white America if it hasn't occurred already. Just another swing of the pendulum, oneday equilibrium will be reached.
This is part of the problem. People actually think race relations have actually improved...What because I can work at this shitty as job next to a white person? Is this real life?

[Smoke117]

If BLM bothers you in any way you're a racist. Or just plain stupid.

I'm racist because I don't want to listen to a bunch of children and unemployed black people whine about white privilege? If you say so. Adults with jobs, families and real problems don't have time for that bullshit.

[HurricaneKid]

I'm racist because I don't want to listen to a bunch of children and unemployed black people whine about white privilege? If you say so. Adults with jobs, families and real problems don't have time for that bullshit.

No, you are racist because you don't seem to give a **** that other parents have to have an entirely different conversation with their children re: police than you do.

Unemployed? I bet I make 2-3x what you do.

[moongaze]

A lot of racist white dudes on here. Can't say that I'm surprised.

[Smoke117]

No, you are racist because you don't seem to give a **** that other parents have to have an entirely different conversation with their children re: police than you do.

Unemployed? I bet I make 2-3x what you do.

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You're right...I don't give a ****. You black people need to open your eyes...this a big world and there are places that don't even have close to the liberties and quality of life you have in the USA. If it's so bad here then take your ass to a 3rd world country...but remember, once you go, that's it...you don't get to change your mind when you discover how unfair the world can really be.

[Smoke117]

A lot of racist white dudes on here. Can't say that I'm surprised.

Not wanting to listen to a bunch of whiney c@nts doesn't make you a racist. Too many people are afraid to speak their opinion because it may not be PC...well **** that. I also love how it's racist to disagree with a black person on anything to do with race relations...give me a break. I don't hate or judge anybody by the color of their skin, but I'm definitely not going curb my opinion because it's not politically correct. All this pc nonsense is a cancer that needs to be eradicated...all it has created is passive aggressive assholes.

[juju151111]

I never knew so many ignorant racist people recide on this forum

[KungFuJoe]

I never knew so many ignorant racist people recide on this forum

Well...racists are not the brightest people around. And judging from the trolls and idiotic posters that flood this place on a daily basis, I don't think it's very surprising at all.

[KungFuJoe]

Not wanting to listen to a bunch of whiney c@nts doesn't make you a racist. Too many people are afraid to speak their opinion because it may not be PC...well **** that. I also love how it's racist to disagree with a black person on anything to do with race relations...give me a break. I don't hate or judge anybody by the color of their skin, but I'm definitely not going curb my opinion because it's not politically correct. All this pc nonsense is a cancer that needs to be eradicated...all it has created is passive aggressive assholes.

The problem with your way of thinking is that you think everyone is starting off the race from the same spot and everyone has the same path to the finish line.

[Smoke117]

The problem with your way of thinking is that you think everyone is starting off the race from the same spot and everyone has the same path to the finish line.

And the problem with too many black people is they have a victim complex...here, this speech Rocky gives his son in Rocky Balboa is exactly what a lot of black people need to here:

Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get it and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done! Now if you know what you're worth then go out and get what you're worth. But ya gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody! Cowards do that and that ain't you! You're better than that!
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Vg4uyYwEk)

[tpols]

The problem with your way of thinking is that you think everyone is starting off the race from the same spot and everyone has the same path to the finish line.



many people have big problems outside of skin color altogether .. and dont "start from the same spot". so stop patronizing people like your issues are paramount to everyone else's.

[ArbitraryWater]

Wow, your inner Hitler has just spoken. I'm sure that came out wrong.

lol

[Segatti]

Left wingers are tyrants. if you don't bow down to them they make you apologize, or you can even lose your job.

[KungFuJoe]

many people have big problems outside of skin color altogether .. and dont "start from the same spot". so stop patronizing people like your issues are paramount to everyone else's.

Yes, but none of those other "problems" are the result of a systematic process that is designed to limit a specific culture or race.

[moongaze]

Not wanting to listen to a bunch of whiney c@nts doesn't make you a racist. Too many people are afraid to speak their opinion because it may not be PC...well **** that. I also love how it's racist to disagree with a black person on anything to do with race relations...give me a break. I don't hate or judge anybody by the color of their skin, but I'm definitely not going curb my opinion because it's not politically correct. All this pc nonsense is a cancer that needs to be eradicated...all it has created is passive aggressive assholes.

Easy to call people whiney cuts when you don't face the same prejudices as them.

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The problem with your way of thinking is that you think everyone is starting off the race from the same spot and everyone has the same path to the finish line.


Pretty much this. After slavery, a series of laws were put into place to ensure that black people were kept behind for pretty much another half century and some change (black codes/Jim crow laws).

Lol. Americans pretending like we all started the marathon at the exact same time :lol

Just extremely disingenuous, to say the least. Been living in Australia or the last 3 months and these people aren't afraid to speak about race relations and racial history at all...whether it pertains to their native aboriginals or immigration.

The irony of it all is that Americans are still 70% Christian. I think they fear their own bigotry/hate.

Aussies, for the most part, aren't that religious at all. Hence why they aren't afraid to stare into the eyes of history without altering it.

[longtime lurker]

Well...racists are not the brightest people around. And judging from the trolls and idiotic posters that flood this place on a daily basis, I don't think it's very surprising at all.

The irony of this is that they posy racist garbage on a message board for a sport played by majority black players. The cognitive dissonance is amazing.

[G-train]

Pretty much this. After slavery, a series of laws were put into place to ensure that black people were kept behind for pretty much another half century and some change (black codes/Jim crow laws).

Lol. Americans pretending like we all started the marathon at the exact same time :lol

Just extremely disingenuous, to say the least. Been living in Australia or the last 3 months and these people aren't afraid to speak about race relations and racial history at all...whether it pertains to their native aboriginals or immigration.

The irony of it all is that Americans are still 70% Christian. I think they fear their own bigotry/hate.

Aussies, for the most part, aren't that religious at all. Hence why they aren't afraid to stare into the eyes of history without altering it.

I think you need to stay a little longer, and also read up on the differences in our history.

[G-train]

The entire 'race' didn't start at same position, but if you are born today or lately, what is that starting position?
Depends on the individual, regardless of race.
I'm guessing a huge % of African American's are now born into great opportunity compared to many people around the world.
Too much generalizing goes on in this debate.
It's all individual circumstances, including the shootings themselves (which started all this, and often have more to it than constant police error).

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The entire 'race' didn't start at same position, but if you are born today or lately, what is that starting position?
Depends on the individual, regardless of race.
I'm guessing a huge % of African American's are now born into great opportunity compared to many people around the world.
Too much generalizing goes on in this debate.
It's all individual circumstances, including the shootings themselves (which started all this, and often have more to it than constant police error).

There socioeconomic legislature, prison industrial complex, discriminatory policing all have an impact on "the starting point". In the last 2 years, Philadelphia has replaced the money for building scchools and used it for building private prisons instead.

Same starting point, doe. Lol.

Stop and frisk in Philly and New York but no laws like that on Boston, Denver West Virginia.

Same starting point, doe. Lol.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Disgraceful.

[HurricaneKid]

exactly what a lot of black people need to here:

Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get it and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done! Now if you know what you're worth then go out and get what you're worth. But ya gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody! Cowards do that and that ain't you! You're better than that!
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Vg4uyYwEk)

Ignorant AND stupid? Congrats on cornering the market.

[Richesly]

Lol. Their original statement was (paraphrasing):

"Basketball games are supposed to unite us and not divide us" or some shit like that. Lol.

A shirt that says "We Matter" is divisive somehow? I knew it was a matter of time before this was revisited. They fvcked up...

It's divisive because you're suppose to be american first, color second.

[Pointguard]

Point Guard. Don't do it, you're wasting your breath. Just like when we discussed this a couple weeks ago. Folks just don't understand, they're going to call you a "whiner" or whatever else. Just let it go bro.
Its very different in this scenario as its self hate in this case. He's rejecting himself. I'm not looking over my shoulder to hear them.

[KungFuJoe]

Non black people don't understand the disadvantages that black people have in their every day lives. Yes, I know slavery was abolished a long time ago and that in some ways, we gotta move on and move forward.

But how can you when black people are still pulled over, arrested, convicted, jailed, KILLED at a higher rate than other races...simply for being black?

I'm not black. I'm half white/asian. I don't have a fear in the world of the cops. Cops are always nice to me. I'm the safe race. I have a friend who lives in Baton Rouge who is black. This dude is scared as **** right now. Legitimately worried that if he gets pulled over for ANYTHING, he might get shot. Oh, he's angry, too...but he's also scared.

I mean...there are some ****ed up things in this world and NO, not everyone is treated fairly. But again...the difference between someone born with a handicap and someone born black is that there isn't a silent agenda in this society against people in wheelchairs.

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It's divisive because you're suppose to be american first, color second.

Rofl!!!! Says who? Did this start before or after black people weren't allowed to drink out of the same water fountains as white people?

[Smoke117]

Rofl!!!! Says who? Did this start before or after black people weren't allowed to drink out of the same water fountains as white people?

You weren't even alive when that was going on, dipshit. Bringing up crap that you never even experienced just makes you look like a bigger idiot than we already know you to be.

This is also one of the problems with so many black people...they live in the past with a lot of their mindsets. The Native Americans got it much worse and they don't bitch and moan as close to as much as these negros.

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You weren't even alive when that was going on, dipshit. Bringing up crap that you never even experienced just makes you look like a bigger idiot than we already know you to be.

Lmao!!!! You would never talk like this in person. That alone disqualifies you from such discussions, Mary Poppins.

[Smoke117]

Lmao!!!! You would never talk like this in person. That alone disqualifies you from such discussions, Mary Poppins.

Right...because you are such a tough guy? You probably throw punches like a retard like most black fools do.

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Right...because you are such a tough guy? You probably throw punches like a retard like most black fools do.

Lol. You wouldn't talk like this in front of anyone....let alone black people. You're the classic Internet rager whose never had a confrontation in his life. Wipe your mouth and continue posting shit that no one cares about.

[Smoke117]

Lol. You wouldn't talk like this in front of anyone....let alone black people. You're the classic Internet rager whose never had a confrontation in his life. Wipe your mouth and continue posting shit that no one cares about.

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A confirmed racist basketball fan that would suck the cuum out of CP3 on sight.

Just off yourself now. Do the world a favor. Do yourself a favor. I'll buy you a pistol since you're low on money. Or 12-gauge if you're feeling frisky.

[Smoke117]

A confirmed racist basketball fan that would suck the cuum out of CP3 on sight.

Just off yourself now. Do the world a favor. Do yourself a favor. I'll buy you a pistol since you're low on money. Or 12-gauge if you're feeling frisky.

You seem upset...anything I can do to help? I'm always here for you if you need an ear to vent your inadequacies as a man.