AD's First Two Games in 16-17

[LAZERUSS]

Anthony Davis' first two games in 16-17 got me thinking. What are the greatest first two games to begin a season in NBA history.

AD's 16-17:

50 and 45 points.

In his 40.5 mpg... 47.5 ppg, 16.5 rpg, 34-65 FG/FGA (.523, and an eFG% of .531), 26-31 FTA (.839), with a .604 TS%.

Chamberlain in his 62-63 season...

56 and 50 points.

50.5 mpg... 53.0 ppg, 35.0 rpg, 43-64 FG/FGA (.672 eFG%), 20-37 FT/FTA (.541), with a .660 TS%.


BTW, in Wilt's first 16 games of that '62-63 season...

53.8 ppg, 25.6 rpg. Missing FGAs in five of those games, so excluding those five games, he shot .550 from the floor, and .635 from the FT line.

[Papaya Petee]

Wilt? Who the fook is that guy?

[K Xerxes]

Seriously, do you think Wilt would be putting up 53-35 in this era?

[FKAri]

This is what happens when a guy who was already a decent basketball player (but no shot to make it to the NBA good) as a normal sized person gets a growth spurt to reach the size of an NBA big.

[SamuraiSWISH]

This is what happens when a guy who was already a decent basketball player (but no shot to make it to the NBA good) as a normal sized person gets a growth spurt to reach the size of an NBA big.
I tell everyone this ... he was like a 6 foot PG then just hit a massive growth spurt.

Goes to show there are people out there with skill sets comparable to NBA players. Maybe not like the all time greats, but similar to the on average guy. And they don't play it every day for a living.

It really is genetic lottery stuff that advances you through each level above your peers. HS, AAU, College, Pro Leagues, then the League.

[LAZERUSS]

Seriously, do you think Wilt would be putting up 53-35 in this era?

In a two game span, and with the lack of quality centers today?

Rebounds? Nope. 35 rpg in '63, would be the equivalent of about 23 rpg today.

53 ppg on 32 FGA per game? If Davis can get 33 FGA in a two game span, of course a prime Chamberlain would be capable of it.

Hell, a washed up Shaq hung a 45 point game in 2009.

Now, if you talking about a full season. Put a prime Wilt on the Pelicans, and give him 25 FGAs per game; adjust his FG% to the huge increase that he would put up in today's era, and 35-40 ppg would certainly be a possibility.

Most casual fans are not aware of it, but an early 60's Wilt had a very good outside shot.




Carl Braun said "He [Wilt] disorganizes you under the basket the same way [as Bill Russell, on defense]. With Wilt, of course, there's that offense on top of it, which is better than Russell's. He hit on all those jumpers."
"Yes, Wilt hit on those jumpers...Wilt did come into the league with a good touch from the outside, which made his early scoring that much more significant. He wasn't just dunking the ball then."

--Red Holzman. A View from the Bench. P.70



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

He was even a relatively decent FT shooter coming into the league, as well. He shot .619 in his two years of college ball, and in his '62 season, he shot .613. I am not sure why he ever altered his FT shooting form, because it was actually quite good coming out of college.

In his first 16 games of that '63 season, Chamberlain had games of 9-12; 10-12; 11-12; 12-15; 14-18; and 15-19 from the line...and overall, he shot .649 in that 16 game span.

BTW, I mentioned his start in that '62-63 season. In his first eight games he averaged 54.2 ppg.

As a sidenote, Westbrick just had a game with 44 FGAs (scoring 51 points.) In his first 16 games of the '62-63 season, Wilt had games of 72 (29-48 and 14-18), and 73 (29-43 and 15-19.)

[Smoke117]

Of course laz finds a way to make this about wilt. You and 3ball see the same psychiatrist?

[LAZERUSS]

Of course laz finds a way to make this about wilt. You and 3ball see the same psychiatrist?

Sorry if you have a problem with actual NBA history.

Creating a topic about what AD has accomplished in these first two games, and finding one other player in NBA history that could surpass it is not of interest?

BTW, Jordan had a two game start of 91 points (45.5 ppg) , on 31-62 and 29-34, for a .591 TS%. So, yes, he was right there, as well.

[Mr Feeny]

Wilt? Who the fook is that guy?

The career 18 ppg finals scorer and 22 ppg career playoffs scorer :lebronamazed:

[Mr Feeny]

Seriously, do you think Wilt would be putting up 53-35 in this era?

Nobody thinks that. He'd be lucky to average 30 in today's game. Davis would eat him for breakfast.

[Orlando Magic]

You posters in this thread that AD is just decent skill wise but is essentially only in the NBA because of his size are ****ING INSANE.

YOU HAVE *ZERO* idea how good the WORST of the WORST NBA player is.

They would ****ing school everyone you know 20x over.

You also have ZERO idea how good you have to be to be a top 10 NBA player which AD indisputably is. I mean... the gap between LeBron and the worst player in the league is about the size of the gap between the worst player in the league and an average joe off the ****ing street.

You people really are clueless. SMDH.

TLDR: YOUR HEIGHT ISNT THE REASON YOU'RE NOT IN THE ****ING LEAGUE. IT'S BECAUSE YOU ****ING SUCK JUST LIKE I DO.

[Sarcastic]

Seriously, do you think Wilt would be putting up 53-35 in this era?

If Anthony Davis can put up close to it, then why couldn't one of the GOATs do it?

[FKAri]

You posters in this thread that AD is just decent skill wise but is essentially only in the NBA because of his size are ****ING INSANE.

YOU HAVE *ZERO* idea how good the WORST of the WORST NBA player is.

They would ****ing school everyone you know 20x over.

You also have ZERO idea how good you have to be to be a top 10 NBA player which AD indisputably is. I mean... the gap between LeBron and the worst player in the league is about the size of the gap between the worst player in the league and an average joe off the ****ing street.

You people really are clueless. SMDH.

TLDR: YOUR HEIGHT ISNT THE REASON YOU'RE NOT IN THE ****ING LEAGUE. IT'S BECAUSE YOU ****ING SUCK JUST LIKE I DO.

lmao calm down bro. I've played ball in HS and college and I know if AD was my size he'd still school me. But I know the difference in skill between guards and bigs in general is vast. Its simple: There is a far greater talent pool for guards than bigs. There is just more competition for those spots.

[Smoke117]

You posters in this thread that AD is just decent skill wise but is essentially only in the NBA because of his size are ****ING INSANE.

YOU HAVE *ZERO* idea how good the WORST of the WORST NBA player is.

They would ****ing school everyone you know 20x over.

You also have ZERO idea how good you have to be to be a top 10 NBA player which AD indisputably is. I mean... the gap between LeBron and the worst player in the league is about the size of the gap between the worst player in the league and an average joe off the ****ing street.

You people really are clueless. SMDH.

TLDR: YOUR HEIGHT ISNT THE REASON YOU'RE NOT IN THE ****ING LEAGUE. IT'S BECAUSE YOU ****ING SUCK JUST LIKE I DO.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bf/4e/6e/bf4e6efe8fe79bf62cd97ffcb7dfae92.gif

[LAZERUSS]

Nobody thinks that. He'd be lucky to average 30 in today's game. Davis would eat him for breakfast.

Here is footage of an old Bellamy going up against Kareem (Alcindor.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH8tpl04EDI

Bellamy was listed at 6-11, but NBA director of scouting (at the time), Marty Blake, had Bellamy at 7-0.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/15/sports/basketball/tall-tales-in-nba-dont-fool-players.html


Some players prefer to be smaller than they actually are. Blake said Walt Bellamy, a Hall of Famer, asked to be listed at 6-11 even though he was 7 feet tall.

"I know he was 7 feet, but Walt thought it made him look extraordinarily tall," Blake said.

Now, a PEAK Kareem faced a fading Bellamy, who was well past his prime, in 24 career H2H's.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&hint=Kareem+Abdul-Jabbar&player_id1_select=Kareem+Abdul-Jabbar&player_id1=abdulka01&hint=Walt+Bellamy&player_id2_select=Walt+Bellamy&player_id2=bellawa01

Kareem's high games against Bellamy were 40, 39, and 35 points.

How about Chamberlain against Bellamy?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&hint=Wilt+Chamberlain&player_id1_select=Wilt+Chamberlain&player_id1=chambwi01&hint=Walt+Bellamy&player_id2_select=Walt+Bellamy&player_id2=bellawa01

14 games of 50+, including games of 61, 61, and 73 points.

And later in his career, when Wilt shot less, he put up unfathomable FG%'s against Bells. In his '66-67 season, Chamberlain averaged 22.7 ppg on...get this... a .709 FG% against Bellamy (BTW, Bellamy shot .450 against Wilt that same season.)

BTW, here are the Bellamy-Russell career H2H's:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&hint=Walt+Bellamy&player_id1_select=Walt+Bellamy&player_id1=bellawa01&hint=Bill+Russell&player_id2_select=Bill+Russell&player_id2=russebi01

Bellamy averaged 24.4 ppg against Russell in their 71 H2H's, and had games of 41, 45, and 47 points against him.

Furthermore, in that footage...Bellamy had EXCELLENT range.


So, I don't think "Davis would eat Wilt for breakfast."

[LAZERUSS]

The career 18 ppg finals scorer and 22 ppg career playoffs scorer :lebronamazed:

A PRIME "scoring" Wilt averaged 33 ppg in his 52 playoff games, 30 of which were against Russell.

A PRIME Chamberlain, from his rookie season, '59-60, thru his '67-68 season, averaged 29.3 ppg in his 80 playoff games (42 of which were against Russell, and another 6 against Thurmond.)

A "scoring" Wilt had post-seasons of 28.0 ppg, 29.3 ppg, 33.2 ppg, 34.7 ppg, 35.0 ppg, and 37.0 ppg. He had playoff series of 37.0 pppg, 37.0 ppg, 38.6 ppg, and 38.7 ppg. And in his first 52 playoff games, he had 11 of 40+, including FOUR of 50+ (50, 50, 53, and 56 points), and THREE of those were the ONLY three by a GOAT candidate in playoff history.

BTW, Wilt also had "must win" playoff games of 42, 45, and 46 points. That 45 point game was in a "must win" FINALS game, and came on 20-27 from the floor (.741 FG%.) The 46 point game came against Russell, which was only his second highest playoff game against Russell....with his first being a 50-35 "must win" game in his rookie season.


As for Wilt's "Finals"...virtually everyone at the time KNEW that the REAL "Finals" in the decade of the 60's, were between Wilt and the CELTICS. True, Wilt only faced Russell's Celtics in the actual Finals, twice, but he also faced him in the EDF's in SIX.

In his eight career playoff H2H's with Russell, he had playoff runs of 22-25-7; 22-32-10; 28-30; 29-28; 30-31; 31-27; and 34-27.

Again, let's use his '65 EDF's as an example...




In Chamberlain's 64-65 season, he was traded mid-year, for three decent players, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before. He then single-handedly carried what was a 40-40 team, past Oscar's stacked 48-32 Royals in the first round.

Then, he took that roster, which had gone 34-46 without him...up against the six-time defending champion, and 62-18 Celtics, with SIX HOFers, and at the peal of their dynasty...

to a game seven, one point loss. In a game in which Chamberlain scored 30 pts on 12-15 shooting (and with a .724 TS%), with 32 rebounds. And in that game, he scored Philly's last 8 points, including 2-2 from the line with 36 secs remaining, and a dunk over Russell with 5 secs left...to pull the Sixers to within 110-109. Then, after the "clutch" Russell hit a guidewire with an inbounds pass, the Sixers had a chance to pull off the greatest upset in NBA playoff history. Alas, a Wilt teammate, Hal Greer, threw an inbounds pass that was picked off by Hondo. Oh, and while Chamberlain shot 12-15 from the floor, his teammates collectively shot 28-75 from the floor.. .373...in that one point loss.

For the series, Chamberlain averaged 30.1 ppg, with 31.4 rpg (and a 25.2 TRB%), on a .555 FG% (in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot .413 overall), and with a .575 TS%, in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot a TS% of .465.

Oh, and then Boston went on to rout the Baylor-less Lakers in the Finals, 4-1, which included two 30+ point blowout wins, including a 129-96 clincher. In a series in which Russell averaged 18-25-6 on a .702 FG%. And against this center...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&hint=Leroy+Ellis&player_id1_select=Leroy+Ellis&player_id1=ellisle01&hint=Wilt+Chamberlain&player_id2_select=Wilt+Chamberlain&player_id2=chambwi01



Not only that, but how take a look at Russell's Finals in his career. SIX of them came against the Lakers. Throw out the '69 Finals, when he faced Wilt, and did nothing offensively...and he was putting up Finals of 23-27-6 on .543 FG%; 20-26-5 on .467; 18-25-6 on get this... a .702 FG%; 24-24-4 .538; and 17-22-6 on .430. That's a combined average of 21-25-5 on a .515 FG%.

Now, how many times did Wilt face those Laker teams in the decade of the 60's? NONE. And how did Wilt fare against those Laker teams in the decade of the 60's... 86 H2H's, and 42 games of 40+, including 19 of 50+, 7 of 60+, and even 2 of 70+!

Prior to 1969, Chamberlain played exactly ONE playoff series against a Western Division team. How did he do? 39 ppg, 23 rpg, and on a .560 FG% (in a post-season NBA that shot .420.)

Think about that. Had Wilt played in the Western Conference in his prime, he likely would have been going to the Finals nearly every year, and probably hanging 40+ ppg playoff series in several of them.

[aj1987]

Nobody thinks that. He'd be lucky to average 30 in today's game. Davis would eat him for breakfast.
:oldlol:

The mental midget would be luck to average 20 in todays game.

[LAZERUSS]

:oldlol:

The mental midget would be luck to average 20 in todays game.

And Shrinkage couldn't even score a point against this guy...

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

Meanwhile, Barea was torching him at the other end...

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0530/nba_g_bareaheat_576.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

And Shrinkage couldn't even score a point against this guy...

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

Meanwhile, Barea was torching him at the other end...

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0530/nba_g_bareaheat_576.jpg

The mental midget lost a Finals averaging 12 PPG. Got outplayed by Egan. :roll: :roll:

Barea averaged 9 PPG on 46% TS, FYI.

[ImKobe]

Kobe in the last game of his career - 60 ppg
Wilt in the last game of his career - 23 ppg

[Mr Feeny]

The mental midget lost a Finals averaging 12 PPG. Got outplayed by Egan. :roll: :roll:

Barea averaged 9 PPG on 46% TS, FYI.

:roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

Kobe in the last game of his career - 60 ppg
Wilt in the last game of his career - 23 ppg
:applause: :applause:

Kobe >>> Ilt. I thought it was a known fact.

[LAZERUSS]

The mental midget lost a Finals averaging 12 PPG. Got outplayed by Egan. :roll: :roll:

Barea averaged 9 PPG on 46% TS, FYI.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201106090DAL.html

17 points on 6-11 shooting as compared to the Jester's 17 on 8-19.

Barea DOMINATED that game...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK9jBmSXCmk

Of course, when the Mavs needed to stop LeFLOP, they simply put Barea on him...

http://grantland.com/features/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary/


6:42: Just wanted to commemorate this moment: Miami down three, gets a rebound and gets the ball to LeBron on the right side of the key, with J.J. Barea defending him one-on-one … and LeBron turns and throws a pass 20 feet backwards to Wade at midcourt. A few seconds later, Miami gives it back to LeBron, who reluctantly backs Barea down to the low post … and bowls him over. Offensive foul. All hail the King!

BTW...


LEBRON JAMES, FOURTH QUARTER, 2011 PLAYOFFS
1ST 3 RDS … FINALS
Pts: 7.6 … 2.2
FG: 45% … 25%
3FG: 8-18 … 0-7

(Ouch.)

Incidently, that 25% 4th quarter (and OT) shooting was about the same as he shot against Iggy in their 15 H2H's from the '15 Finals, their two regular season H2H's, and then the '16 Finals.

Barea >>>> Jester

As for EGAN...

https://beta.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Celticsstuffgroup/conversations/messages/103271


The pivotal play in the final series — Jones’s final-second double-rim shot that won Game 4 at the Garden — had been drawn up by Havlicek and former Ohio State teammate Larry Siegfried while Russell was wearing his coaching hat at a playoff luncheon.
“We needed an emergency score play, something definite we could use during the last 10 seconds,’’ says Havlicek. “It was basically a triple-pick and we’d used it to beat Indiana and Louisville, so it was like an undefeated play. We said, ‘Russ, we’ve got the play and we put it in without you. You’re not a shooter anyway.’ ’’
Jones made the shot (“I didn’t think it was even going to make the front rim’’) and the Celtics won, 89-88, to even the series going back to the Forum.
“Four-leaf clovers were flying all over the place,’’ observed Emmette Bryant, a Phoenix transplant who got his first taste of the luck of the Irish that season.
For those Boston teams, it was luck born of years of playing the odds and winning. In that Game 4, the Lakers had the lead and the ball with 14 seconds remaining, but Bryant stripped Johnny Egan on an inbounds play. The way the Celtics saw it, they usually could find a way to make time and space work in their favor.
“We always felt that we never lost a game,’’ says Havlicek. “Time ran out on us.’’

Before EGAN's gaffe, the Lakers were leading the series, 2-1, and had an 89-88 lead WITH the ball, and only 14 seconds remaining.

LA romped 117-104 in game five, to take a 3-2 series lead. So, had EGAN not BLOWN the game, the Lakers would have won the '69 Finals, 4-1. Just another example of the incompetent coaching by Van Breda Kolff in the '69 Finals.

[LAZERUSS]

Kobe in the last game of his career - 60 ppg
Wilt in the last game of his career - 23 ppg

Career 60+ point games...

Kobe with 6
Wilt with 32

[aj1987]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201106090DAL.html

17 points on 6-11 shooting as compared to the Jester's 17 on 8-19.

Barea DOMINATED that game...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK9jBmSXCmk

Of course, when the Mavs needed to stop LeFLOP, they simply put Barea on him...

http://grantland.com/features/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary/
Did you even watch the video you posted, you retarded cuck? Bibby and Chalmers were guarding JJ. Not LeBron. Pretty much proves my point that you've never watched a single minute of basketball in your life.

Try watching this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FGkIp8Va58


Incidently, that 25% 4th quarter (and OT) shooting was about the same as he shot against Iggy in their 15 H2H's from the '15 Finals, their two regular season H2H's, and then the '16 Finals.
36/13/9 and 30/11/9 while winning a ring and an FMVP and nearly winning another FMVP. Something which the mental midget could only dream of.


Barea >>>> Ilt "The Mental Midget" Chokerlain
No shit. Dude was a garbage ass choker and statpadder in the WORST era in basketball history.

[ImKobe]

Career 60+ point games...

Kobe with 6
Wilt with 32

Kobe did it in a different era and as a jump-shooter, his 81-point game is the highest-scoring NBA game we actually have video evidence of.

[LAZERUSS]

Did you even watch the video you posted, you retarded cuck? Bibby and Chalmers were guarding JJ. Not LeBron. Pretty much proves my point that you've never watched a single minute of basketball in your life.

Try watching this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FGkIp8Va58


36/13/9 and 30/11/9 while winning a ring and an FMVP and nearly winning another FMVP. Something which the mental midget could only dream of.


No shit. Dude was a garbage ass choker and statpadder in the WORST era in basketball history.

I don't care who was defending the 5-8 Barea. LeSHIT put up the second worst Finals by a borderline Top-10 player in NBA history. He was the team's leading scorer during the regular season, and fell to third in the Finals...and by 10 ppg. He was publicly chastised by Wade in the series, was outplayed by Jason Terry, couldn't score a point when defended by Barea, and sat in the corner while Wade choked away game six.

Only his '07 Finals were worse.


The Jester shot-jacking to 36 ppg on an unfathomable .398 FG%, and even worse... only .351 when defended by Iguadala. Hell, in the 4th quarters and OT in the '15 Finals, LeCHOKE shot...get this... .356! Oh, and then in the pivotal game four, LeShit came through with a 7-22 FG/FGA, and 5-10 FT/FTA game, in a blowout loss. The Warriors took control and won the series in six.

And even if I were to acknowledge LeFLOP's crappy offensive teammates, the fact remains...LeTiny was defended nearly the entire series with SINGLE coverage. Hell, Iggy completely shut him down.

And yes, only the Jester could lose a FMVP to a role player off the bench.

Just like his '14 Finals...ZERO IMPACT.

Hell, his TEAMMATES won game two, when Shrinkage shot a horrific 11-35 from the field, which was shitty enough...but LeCHOKE shot 2-8 in the 4th quarter, and then followed it up with an even worse (and normal for him) 0-4 in OT.

[LAZERUSS]

Kobe did it in a different era and as a jump-shooter, his 81-point game is the highest-scoring NBA game we actually have video evidence of.

Yeah... Wilt's 100 point game was completely fabricated...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6nhmvw5ck8

[J Shuttlesworth]

Why is it that these older guys can't just appreciate the players today? You can respect AD's performances without trying to diminish it by saying Wilt's better. It's honestly 3-ball level of insecurity from the OP

[aj1987]

The Jester shot-jacking to 36 ppg on an unfathomable .398 FG%, and even worse... only .351 when defended by Iguadala. Hell, in the 4th quarters and OT in the '15 Finals, LeCHOKE shot...get this... .356!

And yes, only the Jester could lose a FMVP to a role player off the bench.

Just like his '14 Finals...ZERO IMPACT.

Hell, his TEAMMATES won game two, when Shrinkage shot a horrific 11-35 from the field, which was shitty enough...but LeCHOKE shot 2-8 in the 4th quarter, and then followed it up with an even worse (and normal for him) 0-4 in OT.
LeBron James finished the 2015 NBA Finals with averages of 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds, and 8.8 assists per game.

LeBron James is the first player in NBA Finals history to lead both teams in points, assists and rebounds for the entire series.

Without James on the floor, Cleveland

[LAZERUSS]

[QUOTE=aj1987]LeBron James finished the 2015 NBA Finals with averages of 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds, and 8.8 assists per game.

LeBron James is the first player in NBA Finals history to lead both teams in points, assists and rebounds for the entire series.

Without James on the floor, Cleveland

[LAZERUSS]

LeChoke...

'07 Finals. .356 from the field, and in the clinching and sweeping one point loss, he single-handedly carried his team down the toilet with a horrific 10-30 from the field, and a trembling 2-6 from the line.

'08 And against the one great team he would face in the East... a .355 FG%.

'09?

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....ron_james.html


Gilbert also said he believes James quit on the Cavs in Game 6 of their series in 2009 against Orlando.

"Go back and look at the tape," he said. "How many shots did he take?"

Sure enough...QUIT.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...905300ORL.html


2010. QUIT on his team on a NATIONAL Televised pivotal game five...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...005110CLE.html

Shoots a white-flag waving 3-14 from the floor...

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....ron_james.html


"He quit," Gilbert said. "Not just in Game 5, but in Games 2, 4 and 6. Watch the tape. The Boston series was unlike anything in the history of sports for a superstar."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdqy27KsqYk


2011 Finals. Goes from leading scorer on his team, to dropping 10 ppg and only third leading scorer. Watches Bus Rider Wade choke away the clinching game six. Gets badly outplayed by Jason Terry, and can't score a point when defended by the 5-8 JJ Barea.

2013 Finals. Down 3-2 in game six, and playing like shit the entire game, he goes 1-4 in the last four minutes, and in the last seconds of regulation throws up a wild prayer that misses so badly, that an out of position Chris "Can't Do" Bosh taps it out to Ray Allen, who hits the series-saving three. Even in OT, LeChoke chokes, going 1-3. Carried by his teammates to a title.

2014 Finals. The most worthless 28-8-4 .679 TS% performance in Finals history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y02r-Dz5cMw

Plays like shit when the games are close, and then PADS his stats when the games are blowouts.

QUITS on his team in game one, using the famous "menstrual cramps" as an excuse, and the QUITS again in game five...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1PesQ1yA6g

Just a KNOWN QUITTER.


2015 Finals:

Goes 21-59 in 4th quarters and OT, and shoots .351 when defended by FMVP Iguadala.

Goes 2-8 in the 4th quarter, and 0-4 in OT, and yet watches his TEAMMATES WIN game two!

Shoots a horrific .398 overall, and is worthless in the last three games of the Finals. No player has ever put up a more pathetic 36 ppg series in NBA history. Loses the FMVP to a ROLE player off the bench. And to be honest, was just DOMINATED by him when he was defended by him.


2016 Finals.

A complete bystander in the first four games. In the 4th game, he is content to lose the game, and in the last minute, when his team is down by nine points, and needs treys, he PADS his stats by taking uncontested layups on three straight possessions.

In that game, Dray taps him in his vaxxxa, and he cries to the NBA. The most prolific FLOPPER in NBA history...crying like the baby he has always been, and gets the Warriors best player suspended for game five. Of course, it is KYRIE who saves the series with a game five for the ages (only Wilt's must win game six of the '70 Finals is a higher scoring more FG% efficient Finals game in NBA history.)

Then, the LeCoward-Stopper, Iggy, injures his back early in game six, and with him barely able to walk, LePuke FINALLY has a 50% FG% game against him. His only one when defended by Iggy, in their 15 straight H2H's dating back to the '15 Finals. Even then, in the 4th quarter, the Jester shoots 2-7.

In game seven, LeChoke pulls his usual 4th quarter hiding act, and in the last four minutes, shoots his usual 0-4. Fortunately for LeChoke, it is again, KYRIE who wins the series with a clutch three (oh, and another teammate, Love, makes the game-saving stop.)

And the same Draymond who was suspended in game five, just DOMINATES game seven, running away with the scoring, rebounding, and all of the efficiency marks...and is easily the best player on the floor.


So, the Jester is TWO TEAMMATE shots away from being "1-7."

LeCHOKE!!!!

[J Shuttlesworth]

Laz... why did you go from defending LeBron constantly to being an absolute hater? I don't understand how 2016 could have made anybody turn from pro-LeBron to anti-LeBron

[aj1987]

And then here is what ACTUALLY transpired in the '15 Finals...

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/06/lebr...finals-history



Again...when defended by Iggy...an AWFUL .351 FG%.

How about LeChoke in his 4th quarters and OT in that series? 21-59. Yep... a
.356 FG%.

THAT was the Jester in the '15 Finals.

BY FAR the worst 36 ppg series in NBA HISTORY. And much like his '14 Finals...ZERO IMPACT.

LeCHOKE!!!!!
LeBron James finished the 2015 NBA Finals with averages of 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds, and 8.8 assists per game.

LeBron James is the first player in NBA Finals history to lead both teams in points, assists and rebounds for the entire series.

Without James on the floor, Cleveland

[LAZERUSS]

Laz... why did you go from defending LeBron constantly to being an absolute hater? I don't understand how 2016 could have made anybody turn from pro-LeBron to anti-LeBron

I have acknowledged that Lebron is a Top-10 player.

Before this past season, I had him wedged between Kobe (8th), and Bird (10th.)

What is fascinating, though, is that after game four of the '16 Finals, everyone was jumping the Lebron ship.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12444015&postcount=1


Hey buddy, would you like to say your sorry for ever having Bron ranked higher than Bird. You have to admit that was one that you were wrong about. Not saying with his physical talent that he shouldn't be better than Bird, but he's not even close.

My response...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12444021&postcount=2


I am certainly leaning that way.

BTW, a PEAK Bird was easily better.

I am almost ashamed to have ever claimed that Lebron was Top-10. He has actually dropped in the last week.

Who knows though...maybe he finally and miraculously put it together, and somehow win a ring this year.

But, as of right now...nope...not better than Bird.

Even "fence-jumpin Feeble" gave up all hope, and jumped on the Chokurry bandwagon.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12439637&postcount=29


I want y'al hating mother fos to come back in 3 days.

Talk smack now and enjoy this

Let's see if Curry turns things around and I GUARANTEE he does, upon which he surpasses Kobrick all time and knocks him to 13th.

All he has to do is surpass Kobe's career finals numbers of 25 ppg on 41%. He does that and he's gold.
Next year he'll go for the jugular and start aiming for a 3 peat and MJ finals numbers.

Mark my words branvestites and kobrick lovers. Curry will have both of you crying in tears the entire summer by the time he wraps this up in a week


Of course, what happened next?

The Cavs won three straight, and Lebron won the FMVP.

Good enough to move Lebron into the Shaq-Duncan range (7th and 8th respectively), and past Kobe.

BUT, all of a sudden the Lebron fans stormed ISH. In a span of three games, two of which were great, and the last one, almost a choke job...there were those elevating Lebron to the Top-5. Hell, a panel of unknown's at ESPN even had him at #3. Which was a compete joke.

Let's examine the '16 Finals one more time, shall we?

The Cavs, now healthy, unlike '15, (yes, Love was injured and missed one game...a 120-90 WIN withOUT him)...were getting destroyed by the Warriors, 3-1.

In that game four, Lebron packed it. He was a bystander until the final 54 seconds, when, with his team down by nine points, and desperately needing threes, he instead took wide open layups on three straight possessions, just to pad his stats. Of course, Chokurry was fouled after each, and also padded his stats with 6-6 from the line.

Then, thanks to Lebron's crying, the NBA suspended the Warriors best player in the series, for game five.

Then, Warriors best rebounder, and rim-protector, was injured and missed game's six and seven.

Then, Iguadala, who had owned Lebron in their previous 13 H2H's, was injured early in game six, and could barely walk, much less defend Lebron. Of course, Lebron put up a huge game as a result.

And then even an injured Iggy shut Lebron down in game seven. Lebron went 9-24 from the field, and shot 0-4 from the floor in the last four minutes. It took a Kyrie three, and a Love (of all people) stop on Chokurry, to seal the game seven win.

So, those last three games needed some CONTEXT.

The reality has been...Lebron has had two of the worst Finals ever by a Top-10 player ('07 and '11), two more in which he had ZERO IMPACT ('14 and '15), and then had TWO more SAVED by TEAMMATES (game six in '13, and game seven in '16.)

Does he have the resume of a Top-10 player? Of course. Anywhere from 6th to 8th, although I would take a peak Shaq, and a career Duncan over him.

Top-5? No way.

[aj1987]

Ilt Chokerlain facts from the '69 Finals:

1. 8th in PPG from both teams

2. 4th in PPG on West's team

3. 2nd WORST FT% from both teams

4. WORST FT% from both team (players who took over 2 FT's a game)

5. Only player in history to lose a ring with two All-Stars, 2 All-NBA, 1 All-Def, and a player averaging 39/5/8

6. 8.8 PPG drop from RS to the Finals

7. 8.3% drop in FG% from RS to the Finals

8. 7.1% drop in FT% from RS to the Finals

9. Stats 'wilted' even though he saw a 2 minute increase in playing time from the RS to the Finals

Again, these are all FACTS, Lozerus. None of them are opinions.

The mental midget, Ilt Chokerlain, was hilariously bad in the postseason. No wonder he's considered to be the GOAT choker and statpadder.

"Greatest low-post scorer" ....

Dude would be lucky to average over 15, if he played in the modern era and not that garbage ass joke era.

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals

1968 East Finals Games 6 & 7: 14-38 FT's
1969 Finals Game 7: 4-13 FT's
1970 Finals Game 7: 1-11 FT's

Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

Since you're clinically retarded and admittedly do not even watch the games:

Games 3-5, LeBron put up 33/13/7/2/3 on 53%. He shot 54%, 52%, and 53% during that stretch. Again, those are from games 3-5. Not even including G6, in which Iggy played 30 minutes and LeBron put up 41/16/7/3/3 on 61% TS or G7 in which Iggy played 40 minutes and LeBron put up 27/11/11/2/3.

If we include those games, LeBron averaged 33/12/9/2/3 on 52% after playing terribly in the first two games.

Game 7 - LeBron scored 11 of the Cavs' 18 points in the 4th Q. LeBron scored in one quarter nearly what Wilt averages for his CAREER in the Finals. After GSW went up 4, LeBron scored 6 straight points to keep the Cavs in the game. Scored 8 straight points at one point. Singlehandedly kept the Cavs in the game.

The four minute stretch? Neither team scored a SINGLE point until Kyrie made that incredible 3. LeBron also had the block and the game and title sealing FT in the end.

#2 Kyrie being more clutch than LeBron:

The Cavs were struggling and LeBron scored 11 points in the 4th Q. 8 straight points at one point and scored 6 straight after GSW were up 4 and with all the momentum. Dude absolutely killed their momentum and gave the Cavs a 2pt lead. He also has the game saving block on Iggy.

Irving in the 4th Q's of the Finals:

https://s22.postimg.org/wjpp7uq8x/Screen_Shot_2016_09_06_at_11_31_25_PM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals:

https://s10.postimg.io/ckzotdxft/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_53_42_AM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 3 games):

https://s10.postimg.io/pdnstb91l/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_53_56_AM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 2 games):

https://s10.postimg.io/wjfjvri4p/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_55_15_AM.png

Kyrie in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 2 games):

https://s10.postimg.io/m83733qfd/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_54_46_AM.png

Now go back to stanning the choking roided mental midget, Lozerus.

LeBron was purposefully slowing down the pace. You don't win against the Warriors (with a garbage ass team no less) playing run and gun ball. They're gonna out shoot you and destroy you. The Cavs would've lost in 4 straight blowouts if they played uptempo basketball.

He couldn't hand over the playmaking duties to others nor was he able to let others make decisions, because they're low IQ players. Shump and JR were terrible and can't create for others. Delly had a hard time bringing the ball up court. Actually, Shump is a below average playmaker, but the other two are worse than garbage.

The game in which Mozgov put up 28 points, the Cavs lost by 21 points. LeBron struggled shooting the ball, but he did have 20/12/8. 12 rebounds and 8 assists (oh wait, rebounds and assists only matter when it's Bird). Delly went 3-14, JR 2-12, Shump 2-9, JJ 0-3, etc.. A combined 18% FG%. Literally no one could hit a shot. To top it off, the Warriors went small and Moz couldn't guard anyone on the court. Bogut was benched and Green was playing at the C.

You're blaming LeBron for Moz not getting more involved in game 5 after the 28 point game, when in fact, the COACH played him 9 minutes. He played over 30 minutes in game 6 and LeBron got him involved. Dude put up 17/12/4.

For the series, the 3 guys who played the 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest minutes managed to score a combined 25.5 points on sub 40% TS. 29% FG% and 28% 3pt%.

[swagga]

Of course laz finds a way to make this about wilt. You and 3ball see the same psychiatrist?

they go to the same psychiatrist, euroleague :roll:

[aj1987]

Laz... why did you go from defending LeBron constantly to being an absolute hater? I don't understand how 2016 could have made anybody turn from pro-LeBron to anti-LeBron
LeBron literally mind****ed a shit ton of losers on this board. Lozerus has been melting down since ESPN correctly ranked LeBron #3 and Chokerlain incorrectly at #5 (should've been somewhere around 15).

[LAZERUSS]

Why is it that these older guys can't just appreciate the players today? You can respect AD's performances without trying to diminish it by saying Wilt's better. It's honestly 3-ball level of insecurity from the OP

I respect AD's performance.

Hell, it is the second greatest two game start to a season in NBA history.

[moviekase]

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[Spurs5Rings2014]

Wilt? Who the fook is that guy?

Jeremy Stephens will KTFO McGregor if he ever stops running.

:oldlol:

[Papaya Petee]

Jeremy Stephens will KTFO McGregor if he ever stops running.

:oldlol:
Jeremy Stephens is going to get butchered by Frankie Edgar in 2 weeks.

Anyway who the FOOK is Wilt?