DeAndre Jordan FG%

[LAZERUSS]

In his two games... 5-17 from the field... a .294 FG%. Also 3-12 from the line.

Overall... a .292 TS%.

[lilteapot]

lob city clips lob lob city clips

[Smoke117]

He's one of the most overrated Centers in the league and has been for years. It still makes me chuckle how the Clippers were pushing him for DPOY two years ago when he doesn't have close to that kind of impact.

[RRR3]

Looks like Wilt in the finals

[LAZERUSS]

He's one of the most overrated Centers in the league and has been for years. It still makes me chuckle how the Clippers were pushing him for DPOY two years ago when he doesn't have close to that kind of impact.

I'm not the biggest Cousins' fan, but I have watched numerous games in the last couple of years, in which he has shut down the so-called better centers in the league. Just last night he BADLY outplayed KAT when the two were going one-on-one, and at both ends.

I would take Cousins defense over DJ's in a heartbeat.

[PistonsFan#21]

Someone bump that ''would you make the NBA if you were taller'' thread

[Spurs m8]

He has like, zero skillset.

Dumb as a mule too.

Blokes such an empty player, suits LA - bit of flash, no substance.

[ClipperRevival]

Laz,

What is the point of this thread after a 2 game sample? And Cousins' s a better defender than DJ? You smoking that California OG kush huh?

[ScalsFan21]

I think DeAndre Jordan is a top 3 positive impact center despite having almost no offensive game.

Defensively he is as good as it gets. He USED to be an overrated defender who got way too much credit for blocking shots, but in the last few years that has 100% changed. The low FG% is probably an aberration but I haven't watched either of their games... he might be trying out some new "moves"? That won't last long I'm sure.

[LAZERUSS]

Looks like Wilt in the finals

Actually LePUKE in a series sweeping game four loss in the Finals.

10-30 from the field, and 2-6 from the line....in a one point loss.

A horrific .368 TS%.


BTW, in Chamberlain's six Finals, he shot .559 from the floor, andcollectively held his opposing centers, all of whom are in the HOF, to a .439 FG%.

Oh, and in his game seven's in the Finals... 19.5 ppg, 25.5 rpg, and on a .708 FG%, while holding his two opposing starting centers, again, both in the HOF, to a collective average of 5.0 ppg, 12.0 rpg, and on a 333 FG%.

[LAZERUSS]

Laz,

What is the point of this thread after a 2 game sample? And Cousins' s a better defender than DJ? You smoking that California OG kush huh?

I know it is only a 2 game sample. Just an interesting 2 game sample, don't you think?

And yes, I would take a motivated Cousins over him at the defensive end in a heartbeat. I have watched Cousins even badly outplay DJ.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&hint=DeMarcus+Cousins&player_id1_select=DeMarcus+Cousins&player_id1=couside01&hint=DeAndre+Jordan&player_id2_select=DeAndre+Jordan&player_id2=jordade01

And take a close look at their H2H's from 4/17/13. Cousins has DESTROYED DeAndre.

[RRR3]

Actually LePUKE in a series sweeping game four loss in the Finals.

10-30 from the field, and 2-6 from the line....in a one point loss.

A horrific .368 TS%.


BTW, in Chamberlain's six Finals, he shot .559 from the floor, andcollectively held his opposing centers, all of whom are in the HOF, to a .439 FG%.

Oh, and in his game seven's in the Finals... 19.5 ppg, 25.5 rpg, and on a .708 FG%, while holding his two opposing starting centers, again, both in the HOF, to a collective average of 5.0 ppg, 12.0 rpg, and on a 333 FG%.
Don't make me get SouBeach to expose you again Laz

[Young X]

Small sample size. He shot 71% the last two seasons. 2nd highest FG% in NBA history.

[CelticBaller]

in 2 games

2 games

2

[LAZERUSS]

Don't make me get SouBeach to expose you again Laz

NEVER exposed me you idiot.

I merely claimed that MJ had as bad as Finals as LeCHOKE. Just not nearly as many.

Here is the REALITY of your boy Shrinkage...

LeChoke...

'07 Finals. .356 from the field, and in the clinching and sweeping one point loss, he single-handedly carried his team down the toilet with a horrific 10-30 from the field, and a trembling 2-6 from the line.

'08 And against the one great team he would face in the East... a .355 FG%.

'09?

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....ron_james.html


Gilbert also said he believes James quit on the Cavs in Game 6 of their series in 2009 against Orlando.

"Go back and look at the tape," he said. "How many shots did he take?"

Sure enough...QUIT.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...905300ORL.html


2010. QUIT on his team on a NATIONAL Televised pivotal game five...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...005110CLE.html

Shoots a white-flag waving 3-14 from the floor...

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....ron_james.html


"He quit," Gilbert said. "Not just in Game 5, but in Games 2, 4 and 6. Watch the tape. The Boston series was unlike anything in the history of sports for a superstar."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdqy27KsqYk


2011 Finals. Goes from leading scorer on his team, to dropping 10 ppg and only third leading scorer. Watches Bus Rider Wade choke away the clinching game six. Gets badly outplayed by Jason Terry, and can't score a point when defended by the 5-8 JJ Barea.

2013 Finals. Down 3-2 in game six, and playing like shit the entire game, he goes 1-4 in the last four minutes, and in the last seconds of regulation throws up a wild prayer that misses so badly, that an out of position Chris "Can't Do" Bosh taps it out to Ray Allen, who hits the series-saving three. Even in OT, LeChoke chokes, going 1-3. Carried by his teammates to a title.


2014 Finals. The most worthless 28-8-4 .679 TS% performance in Finals history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y02r-Dz5cMw

Plays like shit when the games are close, and then PADS his stats when the games are blowouts.


QUITS on his team in game one, using the famous "menstrual cramps" as an excuse, and the QUITS again in game five...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1PesQ1yA6g

Just a KNOWN QUITTER.


2015 Finals:

Goes 21-59 in 4th quarters and OT, and shoots .351 when defended by FMVP Iguadala.

Goes 2-8 in the 4th quarter, and 0-4 in OT, and yet watches his TEAMMATES WIN game two!

Shoots a horrific .398 overall, and is worthless in the last three games of the Finals. No player has ever put up a more pathetic 36 ppg series in NBA history. Loses the FMVP to a ROLE player off the bench. And to be honest, was just DOMINATED by him when he was defended by him.


Andre Iguodala was the rightful recipient of the Finals MVP and certainly deserved to win it by more than the 7-4 margin he had over LeBron. Why? Despite LeBron’s prodigious numbers, his offensive efficiency was garbage — and that’s being kind. Iggy was like a wall, holding LeBron to just eight uncontested shots prior to Game 6 and forcing The King into an 11-46 shooting performance when he was D’ing him up.

That’s the stat of a desperate man. A man who has no answers with the loss of teammates Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love. Why did LeBron 35.8 points per game in the NBA Finals? Because he took so many shots that it’d have been impossible not to. His shooting nights, with Iguodala draped all over him: 18-38, 11-35, 14-34, 7-22, 15-34 and 13-33. That’s a .398 shooting percentage from the floor.

After a surprising lead of 2-1 games after 3, everyone knew Game 4 was the tipping point in the NBA Finals. James needed to win the game to put the Warriors away. So what did LeBron do with the series on the line? He put up 20 points on 7-22 shooting, a .314 shooting percentage, a 5-10 night from the free-throw line, with 12 rebounds and eight assists thrown in to make for what could have been one of the worst triple-doubles in Finals history. From January 1st through that night, LeBron had only scored fewer than 20 points in 10 games, many of which came in blowouts in which LeBron left the game early.

After his 13-33 performance in the series-clinching game, most of that due to Iguodala, there was no doubt who the actual winner should be especially when you consider that Iguodala — who didn’t start a game this season until the Finals — scored 22 points in that crucial Game 5 and 27 in the clincher. Those were his two highest point totals of the entire year.


2016 Finals.

A complete bystander in the first four games. In the 4th game, he is content to lose the game, and in the last minute, when his team is down by nine points, and needs treys, he PADS his stats by taking uncontested layups on three straight possessions.

In that game, Dray taps him in his vaxxxa, and he cries to the NBA. The most prolific FLOPPER in NBA history...crying like the baby he has always been, and gets the Warriors best player suspended for game five. Of course, it is KYRIE who saves the series with a game five for the ages (only Wilt's must win game six of the '70 Finals is a higher scoring more FG% efficient Finals game in NBA history.)

Then, the LeCoward-Stopper, Iggy, injures his back early in game six, and with him barely able to walk, LePuke FINALLY has a 50% FG% game against him. His only one when defended by Iggy, in their 15 straight H2H's dating back to the '15 Finals. Even then, in the 4th quarter, the Jester shoots 2-7.

In game seven, LeChoke pulls his usual 4th quarter hiding act, and in the last four minutes, shoots his usual 0-4. Fortunately for LeChoke, it is again, KYRIE who wins the series with a clutch three (oh, and another teammate, Love, makes the game-saving stop.)

And the same Draymond who was suspended in game five, just DOMINATES game seven, running away with the scoring, rebounding, and all of the efficiency marks...and is easily the best player on the floor.


So, the Jester is TWO TEAMMATE shots away from being "1-7."

LeCHOKE!!!!

[JohnMax]

Op hates DeAndre Jordan because he came too close to breaking Wilt's single season FG%.

[LAZERUSS]

Looks like Wilt in the finals


As for Wilt's "Finals"...virtually everyone at the time KNEW that the REAL "Finals" in the decade of the 60's, were between Wilt and the CELTICS. True, Wilt only faced Russell's Celtics in the actual Finals, twice, but he also faced him in the EDF's in SIX.

In his eight career playoff H2H's with Russell, he had playoff runs of 22-25-7; 22-32-10; 28-30; 29-28; 30-31; 31-27; and 34-27.




In Chamberlain's 64-65 season, he was traded mid-year, for three decent players, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before. He then single-handedly carried what was a 40-40 team, past Oscar's stacked 48-32 Royals in the first round.

Then, he took that roster, which had gone 34-46 without him...up against the six-time defending champion, and 62-18 Celtics, with SIX HOFers, and at the peal of their dynasty...

to a game seven, one point loss. In a game in which Chamberlain scored 30 pts on 12-15 shooting (and with a .724 TS%), with 32 rebounds. And in that game, he scored Philly's last 8 points, including 2-2 from the line with 36 secs remaining, and a dunk over Russell with 5 secs left...to pull the Sixers to within 110-109. Then, after the "clutch" Russell hit a guidewire with an inbounds pass, the Sixers had a chance to pull off the greatest upset in NBA playoff history. Alas, a Wilt teammate, Hal Greer, threw an inbounds pass that was picked off by Hondo. Oh, and while Chamberlain shot 12-15 from the floor, his teammates collectively shot 28-75 from the floor.. .373...in that one point loss.

For the series, Chamberlain averaged 30.1 ppg, with 31.4 rpg (and a 25.2 TRB%), on a .555 FG% (in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot .413 overall), and with a .575 TS%, in a series in which the two teams combined to shoot a TS% of .465.

Oh, and then Boston went on to rout the Baylor-less Lakers in the Finals, 4-1, which included two 30+ point blowout wins, including a 129-96 clincher. In a series in which Russell averaged 18-25-6 on a .702 FG%. And against this center...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._id2=chambwi01



Not only that, but how take a look at Russell's Finals in his career. SIX of them came against the Lakers. Throw out the '69 Finals, when he faced Wilt, and did nothing offensively...and he was putting up Finals of 23-27-6 on .543 FG%; 20-26-5 on .467; 18-25-6 on get this... a .702 FG%; 24-24-4 .538; and 17-22-6 on .430. That's a combined average of 21-25-5 on a .515 FG%.

Now, how many times did Wilt face those Laker teams in the decade of the 60's? NONE. And how did Wilt fare against those Laker teams in the decade of the 60's... 86 H2H's, and 42 games of 40+, including 19 of 50+, 7 of 60+, and even 2 of 70+!

Prior to 1969, Chamberlain played exactly ONE playoff series against a Western Division team. How did he do? 39 ppg, 23 rpg, and on a .560 FG% (in a post-season NBA that shot .420.)

Think about that. Had Wilt played in the Western Conference in his prime, he likely would have been going to the Finals nearly every year, and probably hanging 40+ ppg playoff series in several of them.

[LAZERUSS]

Op hates DeAndre Jordan because he came too close to breaking Wilt's single season FG%.

I don't hate DJ at all. But if you think DeAndre was anywhere near the shooter that this man was...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

You are seriously delusional.

Jordan has ZERO offensive skills. He is so bad that the Clippers don't even have any set plays for him.

[Spurs m8]

Small sample size. He shot 71% the last two seasons. 2nd highest FG% in NBA history.

Yeah, because he so f*cking unskilled he won't take a single shot unless he's right under th rim.

Shit c*nt

[LAZERUSS]

Small sample size. He shot 71% the last two seasons. 2nd highest FG% in NBA history.

Obviously it is small sample size. Still two consecutive horrific shooting games to start the season. Without looking it up, I wonder if he had two consecutive games at any time in the last two years in which he went 5-17 from the field?

[RRR3]

replace LeBron with Wilt and the Cavs lose the 2016 finals. Wilt shut down by Bogut. 12 PPG on 43% (11% on FTs). Warriors in 4.

[LAZERUSS]

replace LeBron with Wilt and the Cavs lose the 2016 finals. Wilt shut down by Bogut. 12 PPG on 43% (11% on FTs). Warriors in 4.

Based on what?

How about this?

A peak Shaq's highest scoring game against a fading Hakeem was 37 points.

A 39 year old Kareem was dumping games of 40, 43, and 46 on a much more talented Hakeem.

A peak Kareem had five 30+ point games in his 35 career H2H's against a healthy full-time Thurmond. In his career against a full time Thurmond, a peak Kareem shot .447 from the floor.

A peak "scoring" Chamberlain had SIX 30+ games against a Prime Thurmond, and in a span of 13 games. Including beatdowns by margins of 38-15 and 45-13. And in his '67 season, Chamberlain averaged 21-25 on a .633 FG% while Nate averaged 13-21 on a .308.

And I won't even begin to give you the H2H comparisons between what a prime Chamberlain did against the same centers that a prime Kareem would face some years later. I will tell you that Wilt was FAR more dominant against them all.

To suggest that Bogut would hold a prime scoring Chamberlain to 12 ppg, and on a 43 FG% would then translate to Bogut holding a prime Shaq to about 8 ppg and on a .350 FG%.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

60s were a weak era. Deal with it.

[LAZERUSS]

60s were a weak era. Deal with it.

Agreed.

As were the 70's, 80's, 90's, and even 00's.

A peak Kareem's high game against a healthy full-time Thurmond was 34 points. And in his career H2H's against Nate, Kareem shot .447. Hell, in the '72 playoffs, Thurmond not only outscored Kareem, 25.0 ppg to 22.8 ppg, he outshot him, as well, by a .437 to .405 margin.

Well, a 37-41 year old Kareem outscored a 22-26 year old Hakeem in their career H2H's, and outshot him by a .607 to .512 margin. A 38-39 year old Kareem, in a span of 10 straight H2H's averaged 32 ppg on a .630 FG% against Hakeem, including games of 40, 43, and 46 points.

A prime Hakeem battled a young Shaq to a near-draw in the '95 Finals, and a peak Shaq's high game against Hakeem came a few years later...of 37 points.

Clearly, a fading Thurmond was a more dominant player than a peak Shaq, right?

Of course, we all know that a peak Shaq would get killed by the 6-9 1/2 DeAndre Jordan, right?

There you go. The 60's were weak, and so were the '70's, 80's, 90's, and even 00's.

[RRR3]

Shaq>>>>>Ilt.



Ilt would have been limited to 6/4 on 20% vs Shaq

[LAZERUSS]

Shaq>>>>>Ilt.



Ilt would have been limited to 6/4 on 20% vs Shaq


:roll: :roll: :roll:

You are funny.

If this guy could outplay Shaq...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&hint=Eddy+Curry&player_id1_select=Eddy+Curry&player_id1=curryed01&hint=Shaquille+O%27Neal&player_id2_select=Shaquille+O%27Neal&player_id2=onealsh01

Then Wilt would break the 100 barrier against Shaq.

[RRR3]

Like Shaq gave a shit playing against Eddy Curry (who by the way would still lock down Ilt)

[LAZERUSS]

Like Shaq gave a shit playing against Eddy Curry (who by the way would still lock down Ilt)

Gotta love your arguments. So well researched and thought out.

[RRR3]

If you're going to troll, I'm going to troll back. Don't act like you're adding good content to this board by writing essays about "hurr durr LePuke duh"

[LAZERUSS]

If you're going to troll, I'm going to troll back. Don't act like you're adding good content to this board by writing essays about "hurr durr LePuke duh"

Then why did YOU bring WILT into this topic?

[RRR3]

You've been polluting the board with nonsense a lot. Your threads deserve it.

[AintNoSunshine]

NEVER exposed me you idiot.

I merely claimed that MJ had as bad as Finals as LeCHOKE. Just not nearly as many.

Here is the REALITY of your boy Shrinkage...

LeChoke...

'07 Finals. .356 from the field, and in the clinching and sweeping one point loss, he single-handedly carried his team down the toilet with a horrific 10-30 from the field, and a trembling 2-6 from the line.

'08 And against the one great team he would face in the East... a .355 FG%.

'09?

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....ron_james.html



Sure enough...QUIT.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...905300ORL.html


2010. QUIT on his team on a NATIONAL Televised pivotal game five...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...005110CLE.html

Shoots a white-flag waving 3-14 from the floor...

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....ron_james.html



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdqy27KsqYk


2011 Finals. Goes from leading scorer on his team, to dropping 10 ppg and only third leading scorer. Watches Bus Rider Wade choke away the clinching game six. Gets badly outplayed by Jason Terry, and can't score a point when defended by the 5-8 JJ Barea.

2013 Finals. Down 3-2 in game six, and playing like shit the entire game, he goes 1-4 in the last four minutes, and in the last seconds of regulation throws up a wild prayer that misses so badly, that an out of position Chris "Can't Do" Bosh taps it out to Ray Allen, who hits the series-saving three. Even in OT, LeChoke chokes, going 1-3. Carried by his teammates to a title.


2014 Finals. The most worthless 28-8-4 .679 TS% performance in Finals history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y02r-Dz5cMw

Plays like shit when the games are close, and then PADS his stats when the games are blowouts.


QUITS on his team in game one, using the famous "menstrual cramps" as an excuse, and the QUITS again in game five...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1PesQ1yA6g

Just a KNOWN QUITTER.


2015 Finals:

Goes 21-59 in 4th quarters and OT, and shoots .351 when defended by FMVP Iguadala.

Goes 2-8 in the 4th quarter, and 0-4 in OT, and yet watches his TEAMMATES WIN game two!

Shoots a horrific .398 overall, and is worthless in the last three games of the Finals. No player has ever put up a more pathetic 36 ppg series in NBA history. Loses the FMVP to a ROLE player off the bench. And to be honest, was just DOMINATED by him when he was defended by him.
[B]



2016 Finals.

A complete bystander in the first four games. In the 4th game, he is content to lose the game, and in the last minute, when his team is down by nine points, and needs treys, he PADS his stats by taking uncontested layups on three straight possessions.

In that game, Dray taps him in his vaxxxa, and he cries to the NBA. The most prolific FLOPPER in NBA history...crying like the baby he has always been, and gets the Warriors best player suspended for game five. Of course, it is KYRIE who saves the series with a game five for the ages (only Wilt's must win game six of the '70 Finals is a higher scoring more FG% efficient Finals game in NBA history.)

Then, the LeCoward-Stopper, Iggy, injures his back early in game six, and with him barely able to walk, LePuke FINALLY has a 50% FG% game against him. His only one when defended by Iggy, in their 15 straight H2H's dating back to the '15 Finals. Even then, in the 4th quarter, the Jester shoots 2-7.

In game seven, LeChoke pulls his usual 4th quarter hiding act, and in the last four minutes, shoots his usual 0-4. Fortunately for LeChoke, it is again, KYRIE who wins the series with a clutch three (oh, and another teammate, Love, makes the game-saving stop.)

And the same Draymond who was suspended in game five, just DOMINATES game seven, running away with the scoring, rebounding, and all of the efficiency marks...and is easily the best player on the floor.


So, the Jester is TWO TEAMMATE shots away from being "1-7."

LeCHOKE!!!!

Dude, at least switch to an alt who isn't a well known Wilt Chamberlain stan:oldlol:

[GimmeThat]

it's how he spends his time on the bench before he gets back on the court

[L8krH8tr]

They just need him for defense and lobs, they got Mo buckets now for offense.

[TheCalmInsanity]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You are funny.

If this guy could outplay Shaq...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&hint=Eddy+Curry&player_id1_select=Eddy+Curry&player_id1=curryed01&hint=Shaquille+O%27Neal&player_id2_select=Shaquille+O%27Neal&player_id2=onealsh01

Then Wilt would break the 100 barrier against Shaq.

Wait.. I think Wilt is an all time great, but this argument is ridiculous. Wilt obviously played against shorter people in his era. What makes you think he'd do EVEN BETTER against Shaq, who is bigger and far superior than anyone else in Wilt's era? How does this make sense?

And taking Deandre's stats with a 2 game sample size... lol. Really fishing for stuff here aren't we.

And to others who say "hur dur no skills he plays close to the basket".. who cares? That's his skillset and he does it well. Do you want him to shoot 3's and dumb contested midrange shots to get your approval? He has limited jobs- dunk and put pressure on the other team's defense by setting screens and rolling to the basket. Just like how Redick has limited jobs.. come off curls and shoot 3's.

[LAZERUSS]

Wait.. I think Wilt is an all time great, but this argument is ridiculous. Wilt obviously played against shorter people in his era. What makes you think he'd do EVEN BETTER against Shaq, who is bigger and far superior than anyone else in Wilt's era? How does this make sense?

And taking Deandre's stats with a 2 game sample size... lol. Really fishing for stuff here aren't we.

And to others who say "hur dur no skills he plays close to the basket".. who cares? That's his skillset and he does it well. Do you want him to shoot 3's and dumb contested midrange shots to get your approval? He has limited jobs- dunk and put pressure on the other team's defense by setting screens and rolling to the basket. Just like how Redick has limited jobs.. come off curls and shoot 3's.

Why do you think I made that "ridiculous argument?"

It was in response to this completely laughable post...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12650590&postcount=25


Shaq>>>>>Ilt.



Ilt would have been limited to 6/4 on 20% vs Shaq


Now, you tell me who was being ridiculous.

As for the 2 game sample. I already acknowledged it was a small sample. But did anyone here take me up on what I asked earlier...

Has DJ had any two consecutive game span in the last couple of years in which he shot 5-17 from the field?

[Kblaze8855]

in 2 games

2 games

2

Yea...

Dude shoots almost 67%....over the last 500 games.

I think we can ignore 2.

[Dragonyeuw]

Your first team all-nba center, folks....

[aj1987]

Shaq would take a massive shit on Chokerlain. 6/4 is being extremely generous.

[NBAGOAT]

he'll be back over 60% by the end of the year, doesn't need to be said. deandre is underrated on message boards because of the undeserved all nba 1st(was still top 3 at center). main reason clippers were 8th in drating and played within his role on offense well

[Psileas]

Looks like Wilt in the finals

Wilt's FG% career low in any Finals series is 50%, higher than any other All-time top 20 great's career low in the Finals, except Shaq's. Find something else to joke about.