Ben Simmons says the NCAA is "f----d up"

[tomtucker]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/17945257/ben-simmons-blasts-messed-ncaa-film-says-players-get-nothing

Ben Simmons blasts 'messed up' NCAA: 'The players get nothing'

Throughout the film, Simmons wrestles with the trappings of his newfound fame. With agents and shoe companies hovering in Baton Rouge, Simmons said he had to avoid "temptations."

At LSU, he said he was offered a "Bentley, a Wraith Rolls-Royce, watches, jewelry, a house ... anything. It literally is anything. People coming at you, offering you things."

Simmons didn't say who offered him those gifts, which would have made him ineligible to compete in college. On a trip to a shoe store, he quips that a salesman would "let me take whatever" if he asked.

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Contrary to popular belief, the player does not have to play at least a year in college basketball, as the player can choose to instead play in another professional league (especially overseas) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_high_school_draftees

what a whining bitch ! :oldlol:

[IGOTGAME]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/17945257/ben-simmons-blasts-messed-ncaa-film-says-players-get-nothing

Ben Simmons blasts 'messed up' NCAA: 'The players get nothing'

Throughout the film, Simmons wrestles with the trappings of his newfound fame. With agents and shoe companies hovering in Baton Rouge, Simmons said he had to avoid "temptations."

At LSU, he said he was offered a "Bentley, a Wraith Rolls-Royce, watches, jewelry, a house ... anything. It literally is anything. People coming at you, offering you things."

Simmons didn't say who offered him those gifts, which would have made him ineligible to compete in college. On a trip to a shoe store, he quips that a salesman would "let me take whatever" if he asked.

.
Contrary to popular belief, the player does not have to play at least a year in college basketball, as the player can choose to instead play in another professional league (especially overseas) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_high_school_draftees

what a whining bitch ! :oldlol:

The rule is pretty much play in the NBA or leave the country for a year to work in your profession. Yes, its ****ed up.

[warriorfan]

OP whining about someone else whining

Nice

[FireDavidKahn]

Free education is nothing!!!!

:roll: :roll:

[CuhGetsBucks]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/17945257/ben-simmons-blasts-messed-ncaa-film-says-players-get-nothing

Ben Simmons blasts 'messed up' NCAA: 'The players get nothing'

Throughout the film, Simmons wrestles with the trappings of his newfound fame. With agents and shoe companies hovering in Baton Rouge, Simmons said he had to avoid "temptations."

At LSU, he said he was offered a "Bentley, a Wraith Rolls-Royce, watches, jewelry, a house ... anything. It literally is anything. People coming at you, offering you things."

Simmons didn't say who offered him those gifts, which would have made him ineligible to compete in college. On a trip to a shoe store, he quips that a salesman would "let me take whatever" if he asked.

.
Contrary to popular belief, the player does not have to play at least a year in college basketball, as the player can choose to instead play in another professional league (especially overseas) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_high_school_draftees

what a whining bitch ! :oldlol:
How is he whining? He's keeping it 100, if I'm not mistaken you go to college to be educated about your career if his career is clearly going to be as a professional basketball player, why can't he be in college and make money from it? If I was a famous journalist while I was in college and the Washington Post pays me and buys food for me because I write columns, would my college kick me out and rule me ineligible to write papers? The shid the NCAA does is retarded, it's ok for them to make endless money of these teenagers but once they try to profit off themselves its a problem.

Is it just a coincidence that the Louisville bookstore has endless #8 football jerseys or nah? But Lamar Jackson gets paid two dollars for an autograph then his team has to cancel there whole season :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Real Men Wear Green]

I have yet to hear a legit reason why the NCAA doesn't make one simple change: Allow athletes to accept endorsements. They wouldn't have to pay a dime more and guys like Simmons that aren't allowed to exploit their money-making potential until they leave would no longer have that issue.

[CuhGetsBucks]

Free education is nothing!!!!

:roll: :roll:
Lol you the type of dude to buy a dub for 200.

Ben Simmons is worth more than an essential semester of tuition, thats the problem that lied within these kids. LSU games get sold out, jerseys are sold and they are making revenue from his nationally televised games while he's getting a free meal plan that allows him to swipe for food at Panda Express. These kids are getting finessed by the NCAA.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Yeah it is ****ed up OP

If you were a college student being offered all that shit and you were forced to say no to everything wouldnt you be mad as hell?

The education is bullshit. In college you have to teach yourself almost everything anyway

[Knicksfever2010]

I wonder what tuition at a major school like Duke or Michigan is

[Hey Yo]

At LSU, he said he was offered a "Bentley, a Wraith Rolls-Royce, watches, jewelry, a house ... anything. It literally is anything. People coming at you, offering you things."
allegedly.....

[FireDavidKahn]

Lol you the type of dude to buy a dub for 200.

Ben Simmons is worth more than an essential semester of tuition, thats the problem that lied within these kids. LSU games get sold out, jerseys are sold and they are making revenue from his nationally televised games while he's getting a free meal plan that allows him to swipe for food at Panda Express. These kids are getting finessed by the NCAA.
No one is forcing these guys to play in the NCAA.

They can easily to play in the Euro-league, get paid millions and get endorsements...

$200 dub
:roll: :roll:

These people are CHOOSING to play in the NCAA and CHOOSE to abide by their rules.

[MP.Trey]

It is f*cked up that the NCAA profits off these student athletes (who are legally adults) and don't allow them to reap any of the benefits.

[qrich]

It is f*cked up that the NCAA profits off these student athletes (who are legally adults) and don't allow them to reap any of the benefits.

Well, these adults can choose to showcase their talents over in the many professional leagues across the globe or make the jump to the D-League as well.

[CuhGetsBucks]

No one is forcing these guys to play in the NCAA.

They can easily to play in the Euro-league, get paid millions and get endorsements...

$200 dub
:roll: :roll:

These people are CHOOSING to play in the NCAA and CHOOSE to abide by their rules.
So what about Tim Tebow? A premier player, marketable as hell, where should he go play in the CFL? Why should he be punished by having to play in a less of a league and less of a competitive environment because a crooked organization won't allow him to profit off of himself? And don't try to argue CFL football is better than SEC football, because it's not. Not every player has the means to go overseas and players like Laremy Tunsil who literally cannot leave the country because their family is in such rough standing is a problem.

Not everything is as bleek as it seems $200 dub guy.

[fiddy]

If young athletes dont like NCAA, they should go overseas like Mudiay
-Get paid
-Bang foreign bitches
-dont waste time on school

Get that $ in the NBA


Ben Simmons is bitching for no reason.

[Bankaii]

LSU's out of state tuition is around $45k. Not including the other free stuff I'm sure he got just for being a popular athlete.
That's 45k he didn't have to spend on tuition getting a free education just to not lead his team to the tournament.

Be thankful you little shit.

[FireDavidKahn]

So what about Tim Tebow? A premier player, marketable as hell, where should he go play in the CFL? Why should he be punished by having to play in a less of a league and less of a competitive environment because a crooked organization won't allow him to profit off of himself? And don't try to argue CFL football is better than SEC football, because it's not. Not every player has the means to go overseas and players like Laremy Tunsil who literally cannot leave the country because their family is in such rough standing is a problem.

Not everything is as bleek as it seems $200 dub guy.
Oh, I see

The NCAA giving Tim Tebow an avenue to even make it to the NFL means nothing.

:roll: :roll:

[CuhGetsBucks]

Well, these adults can choose to showcase their talents over in the many professional leagues across the globe or make the jump to the D-League as well.
Why are yall being stupid? What's more likely a college kid getting drafted out of college or a high school kid getting drafted out of the D-League?

[qrich]

Oh, I see

The NCAA giving Tim Tebow an avenue to even make it to the NFL means nothing.

:roll: :roll:

Avenue and education.

[CuhGetsBucks]

Oh, I see

The NCAA giving Tim Tebow an avenue to even make it to the NFL means nothing.

:roll: :roll:
And Tim Tebow's performance and post game interviews making the NCAA over millions of dollars means nothing either.

Oh I see :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Bless Mathews]

LSU's out of state tuition is around $45k. Not including the other free stuff I'm sure he got just for being a popular athlete.
That's 45k he didn't have to spend on tuition getting a free education just to not lead his team to the tournament.

Be thankful you little shit.


:roll: :roll:

Thankful???

Whooooaaaaaaaaa

He generated millions of dollars and got 45,000$???!!??

Thankful??

You obviously don't know the meaning of the word.

Lsu should be the thankful one.

:facepalm

[FireDavidKahn]

BTW, anyone who actually purchases weed in a plant form is a sucker.

You can get >95% pure CO2 extracted THC oil for $30 for a 500ml vape cartridge that'll easily last you 2-4 weeks vaping everyday.

[FireDavidKahn]

And Tim Tebow's performance and post game interviews making the NCAA over millions of dollars means nothing either.

Oh I see :oldlol: :oldlol:
It's the trade off.

Without the NCAA Tebow doesn't make it to the NFL

[qrich]

Why are yall being stupid? What's more likely a college kid getting drafted out of college or a high school kid getting drafted out of the D-League?

How's that being stupid?

You can either go to college, get a full education and scholarship covering basically all necessity living expenses for x amount of years without getting paid and increase your exposure

OR

you can go play pro ball in Europe or the D-League, get paid and have less exposure.


It is their decision. Is it fair that universities cash in and the athletes don't? Sure, but it isn't like that is the only option for them.

[CuhGetsBucks]

It's the trade off.

Without the NCAA Tebow doesn't make it to the NFL
Then what about players like Darron Thomas who never have NFL careers that the NCAA makes millions off of?? They were essentially finessed and robbed out of millions for free housing in 2 room college dorm with no utilities. Lmao I hear you big dawg

[Hey Yo]

So what about Tim Tebow? A premier player, marketable as hell, where should he go play in the CFL? Why should he be punished by having to play in a less of a league and less of a competitive environment because a crooked organization won't allow him to profit off of himself? And don't try to argue CFL football is better than SEC football, because it's not. Not every player has the means to go overseas and players like Laremy Tunsil who literally cannot leave the country because their family is in such rough standing is a problem.

Not everything is as bleek as it seems $200 dub guy.
If Tunsil agreed to play in the Euro football league, then I'm sure the team had already agreed prior to pay his way to get over there before he had signed. It would be in the contract. But a player of his stature would never go overseas opposed to getting a full ride and showcasing himself in the U.S

That would be for any top recruit/first round pick in any sport.

Also, how would teammates treat you knowing you get paid cause you're one of the top dogs on the team, while the center, offensive guard and others don't get shit cause they're not high on the list to even get drafted?

[FireDavidKahn]

Also, the NCAA isn't perfect by any means...i'll you give that. But don't pretend for a minute that this is screwing the players entirely.

The NCAA needs the players just as much as the players need the NCAA.

[CuhGetsBucks]

How's that being stupid?

You can either go to college, get a full education and scholarship covering basically all necessity living expenses for x amount of years without getting paid and increase your exposure

OR

you can go play pro ball in Europe or the D-League, get paid and have less exposure.


It is their decision. Is it fair that universities cash in and the athletes don't? Sure, but it isn't like that is the only option for them.

The college route is clearly the best option to get your place in the league, for every player who has went to the D-League out of high school and were drafted by an NBA team, I can find you 180 players who did the same. Why should you be forced to less exposure because an organization monopolized universities that do not care if you make profit off yourself or not? You guys making these arguments don't even understand how the NCAA works. Yall here free tuition and lose your mind like free tuition for the NCAA isn't the equivalent of Bill Gates giving a homeless person 3,000 dollars but making 500,000 off that person.

If you really think Ben Simmons is worth the same amount as Billy Bob on Santa Clara University's golf team then you're geeking.

[CuhGetsBucks]

Also, the NCAA isn't perfect by any means...i'll you give that. But don't pretend for a minute that this is screwing the players entirely.

The NCAA needs the players just as much as the players need the NCAA.
The players need the NCAA in the same way football gaming fans need EA Sports. They make a horrible game but control the market so if anyone wants an atleast realistic fix at a football simulation they will need to buy Madden.

The NAIA is the closest thing the NCAA has to an essential "2K sports" but they have AFL teams licensed not NFL teams. If you catch my drift.

[FreezingTsmoove]

NCAA is just greedy, no one in here can give me a single good reason why these players cant get paid

Funny a college engineer on a college scholarship can make an invention and sell his product for millions while still staying in college

But a college basketball player like Simmons cant even make $5 selling his autograph?

Let the young fellas make their money

[qrich]

The college route is clearly the best option to get your place in the league, for every player who has went to the D-League out of high school and were drafted by an NBA team, I can find you 180 players who did the same. Why should you be forced to less exposure because an organization monopolized universities that do not care if you make profit off yourself or not? You guys making these arguments don't even understand how the NCAA works. Yall here free tuition and lose your mind like free tuition for the NCAA isn't the equivalent of Bill Gates giving a homeless person 3,000 dollars but making 500,000 off that person.

If you really think Ben Simmons is worth the same amount as Billy Bob on Santa Clara University's golf team then you're geeking.

You are given options, and aren't forced to do anything. Look around you bud, this is far from a perfect world, and when you have multiple options and go with one, I'd have a hard time feeling bad for you not getting paid while in college.

[CuhGetsBucks]

If Tunsil agreed to play in the Euro football league, then I'm sure the team had already agreed prior to pay his way to get over there before he had signed. It would be in the contract. But a player of his stature would never go overseas opposed to getting a full ride and showcasing himself in the U.S

That would be for any top recruit/first round pick in any sport.

Also, how would teammates treat you knowing you get paid cause you're one of the top dogs on the team, while the center, offensive guard and others don't get shit cause they're not high on the list to even get drafted?
See my discussion with qrich, why should they be punished by playing lesser competition because a monopoly won't allow them to make money off of themselves?

Vice versa to your question, how do you think Ben Simmons feels that his tuition is esentially him being paid the same amount as some unmarketable kid who participates in bowling on scholarship at LSU?

[ralph_i_el]

LSU's out of state tuition is around $45k. Not including the other free stuff I'm sure he got just for being a popular athlete.
That's 45k he didn't have to spend on tuition getting a free education just to not lead his team to the tournament.

Be thankful you little shit.

And how much money did he make for the school?
And how much education did he get while having to travel all season?

[atljonesbro]

The cucks are showing themselves applauding th NCAA for giving players pennies on the dollar.

[CuhGetsBucks]

You are given options, and aren't forced to do anything. Look around you bud, this is far from a perfect world, and when you have multiple options and go with one, I'd have a hard time feeling bad for you not getting paid while in college.
This is the same backwards ass logic they use when black people say they have an issue with the systematic racism in this country. "If you don't like it then find somewhere else" Instead of actually trying to fix the problem.

Imagine you excel at posting on this forum, and this is the hottest forum in the US. Inside hoops uses your columns on ESPN, Fox and other media outlets but says that they can't pay you and no one else can pay you for your writing pieces. And that the payment is the exposure you get, you would be fine with that? If you are I don't know what kind of business man you are but it doesn't sound like a very good one.

[ralph_i_el]

You are given options, and aren't forced to do anything. Look around you bud, this is far from a perfect world, and when you have multiple options and go with one, I'd have a hard time feeling bad for you not getting paid while in college.

So you can't try and change how things are done?

It's not a perfect world, that doesn't mean just give up and get walked all over.

America would still be a damn colony if we thought like that

[qrich]

So you can't try and change how things are done?

It's not a perfect world, that doesn't mean just give up and get walked all over.

America would still be a damn colony if we thought like that

You can, but all I hear is bitching from collegiate athletes. Best way to do something would be an absolute exile to the D-League/Euro League. Of course there is other ways to get stuff done.

I've always preferred the way youth academies work in European soccer/basketball leagues, like the farm leagues in baseball.




Imagine you excel at posting on this forum, and this is the hottest forum in the US. Inside hoops uses your columns on ESPN, Fox and other media outlets but says that they can't pay you and no one else can pay you for your writing pieces. And that the payment is the exposure you get, you would be fine with that? If you are I don't know what kind of business man you are but it doesn't sound like a very good one.

Did I agree to those terms?

[Hey Yo]

See my discussion with qrich, why should they be punished by playing lesser competition because a monopoly won't allow them to make money off of themselves?
Euro league Pro Basketball is better competition (for an 18yr old) than NCAAM would be.....for a player like Simmons stature.


Vice versa to your question, how do you think Ben Simmons feels that his tuition is esentially him being paid the same amount as some unmarketable kid who participates in bowling on scholarship at LSU?
No chance they even close to getting the same amount.

[FireDavidKahn]

See my discussion with qrich, why should they be punished by playing lesser competition because a monopoly won't allow them to make money off of themselves?

Vice versa to your question, how do you think Ben Simmons feels that his tuition is esentially him being paid the same amount as some unmarketable kid who participates in bowling on scholarship at LSU?
Euroleague competition > NCAA

[CuhGetsBucks]

Did I agree to those terms?
These players are not signing contracts from the NCAA, it is noted once they are on the rosters for their respective teams that they are abiding by all NCAA rules and regulations. I'm sure you played high school sports, once you agree to play on that team you are abiding by the regulations of the federation you play in such as the CIF and VHSL.

[qrich]

These players are not signing contracts from the NCAA, it is noted once they are on the rosters for their respective teams that they are abiding by all NCAA rules and regulations. I'm sure you played high school sports, once you agree to play on that team you are abiding by the regulations of the federation you play in such as the CIF and VHSL.

They are signing scholarships, which is a contract though.

Sample Scholarship (http://www.athleticscholarships.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Example-Athletic-Aid-Agreement.pdf)

[CuhGetsBucks]

Euroleague competition > NCAA
It's nice to know you feel that way but that's not how high schoolers get drafted, 8 kids who went to college out of high school were drafted before Brandon Jennings while 4 were drafted before Emmanual Mudiay, thats millions of dollars lost because you needed money immediately to help your family and a monopoly wouldn't allow you? That's awful.

[CuhGetsBucks]

They are signing scholarships, which is a contract though.

Sample Scholarship (http://www.athleticscholarships.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Example-Athletic-Aid-Agreement.pdf)
I understand you, but you're undermining this is being signed by teenagers who have tunnel vision in the fact this is an oppurtunity to go professional in their sport. Do you think Shabazz Muhammad would go play at UCLA, where they could extract him for millions but he had no shot to play in the NBA from the jump?

[CuhGetsBucks]

Euro league Pro Basketball is better competition (for an 18yr old) than NCAAM would be.....for a player like Simmons stature.


No chance they even close to getting the same amount.
Welcome to reality bruh, if they're both on full ride they are both on the same scholarship getting their tuition paid. Which is my point exactly. Ben Simmons receiving anymore money would be an NCAA violation which would lead to the vacation of wins.... Wins that the NCAA made money televising.

See the problem here?

[qrich]

I understand you, but you're undermining this is being signed by teenagers who have tunnel vision in the fact this is an oppurtunity to go professional in their sport. Do you think Shabazz Muhammad would go play at UCLA, where they could extract him for millions but he had no shot to play in the NBA from the jump?

Were basically on the same page in that its shady that the collegiate athlete's can't make money while in college, but the reality is, until something major is done, it won't change.

Terrence Ferguson is a prime example, his family needs the money so he choose to return to Australia and play in the NBL (which is probably the level of say, the WAC Conference) before declaring next year.

Imagine if we have a dozen Ferguson's a year, you'd really force the hands of the NC2A to work on some sort of a financial incentive program for the student-athletes.

[KungFuJoe]

I'm not expert in this but I assume the reason why the NCAA doesn't want kids to get paid is to keep things fair between colleges that might not have as much deep pockets as others?

The same might apply to endorsements. I'm sure these colleges have deals with Nike, whoever...and they could use that influence to try and get a certain high school recruit to sign with them, by promising it would also come with a lucrative endorsement deal.

So they just make it a flat rule of "you ain't getting paid NOTHING" to keep things easier to enforce?

I mean, where do we draw the line? Lebron could have skipped his senior year of high school and still probably been drafted #1 overall.

Even one year of a college education can be priceless if the student takes it seriously. Yeah, the school is making money off the kid, but any org is going to take money where it can get it.

[CuhGetsBucks]

Were basically on the same page in that its shady that the collegiate athlete's can't make money while in college, but the reality is, until something major is done, it won't change.

Terrence Ferguson is a prime example, his family needs the money so he choose to return to Australia and play in the NBL (which is probably the level of say, the WAC Conference) before declaring next year.

Imagine if we have a dozen Ferguson's a year, you'd really force the hands of the NC2A to work on some sort of a financial incentive program for the student-athletes.
Exactly, and Ferguson's draft stock will probably be lower than it would have had he played at Arizona and participated in the tournament, thus losing millions to make a few thousands, esentially the same thing as playing College basketball free with more exposure.

Im in college at the moment, I would hope to be able to educate more people my age about this but they really do not understand it. It's quite appalling how little we know at this age. The world of business is a scary place.

[Bankaii]

And how much money did he make for the school?
And how much education did he get while having to travel all season?
Have you ever been or know a student athlete?
We had basically unlimited access to tutors specifically for the athletes.
Not to mention how lenient colleges/teachers are on them. And judging by the fact that he was already a #1 draft pick before he even left college I'm sure he got plenty of good grades he didn't deserve.

He's getting $100,000s worth of free education. LSU would've made millions regardless of Simmons playing there or not.

Lebron brings in a lot more than his $30 mil/year contract pays him, so it's the same even in the league.

Regardless, kid should be thankful he gets a free education for his little impact on the court.

[CuhGetsBucks]

Have you ever been or know a student athlete?
We had basically unlimited access to tutors specifically for the athletes.
Not to mention how lenient colleges/teachers are on them. And judging by the fact that he was already a #1 draft pick before he even left college I'm sure he got plenty of good grades he didn't deserve.

He's getting $100,000s worth of free education. LSU would've made millions regardless of Simmons playing there or not.

Lebron brings in a lot more than his $30 mil/year contract pays him, so it's the same even in the league.

Regardless, kid should be thankful he gets a free education for his little impact on the court.

Ben Simmons could drop out for about half of the spring semester and get a refund check on half that tuition. LSU would be set to make millions without him but if you don't think the extra attentiom they received from Simmons and Blakeney playing for them this year is millions of more in difference, you're naive. 1 televised game is millions of dollars in revenue for a school, on top of that schools get paid for invitations to major pre season and post season tournaments. Also reporters, and companies such as HBO would even have to pay LSU to use Simmoms likeness in video productions and post game interviews. On top of that, LSU will still make money off of images regarding Simmons especially if he is successful in the NBA such as his college jerseys, posters and any memorabilia. And you're telling me, all of that is worth a half year of free tuition?? That's wild.

[Hey Yo]

Welcome to reality bruh, if they're both on full ride they are both on the same scholarship getting their tuition paid. Which is my point exactly. Ben Simmons receiving anymore money would be an NCAA violation which would lead to the vacation of wins.... Wins that the NCAA made money televising.

See the problem here?
A bowler (mostly women only get bowling scholarships) is not going get $45,000 dollar free ride. :oldlol:

When does the NCAA showcase Women's or Men's bowling? Never


Simmons got a free ride and exposure. He sure as hell didn't go hungry and didn't even have to go to class. He wasn't even one of the 15 finalist for the John Wooden award.


Consideration should be given to scholastic achievement and aspirations. All candidates must have a cumulative 2.00 grade point average since enrolling in their current university.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14906627/ben-simmons-lsu-tigers-ineligible-wooden-award

Know how hard it is NOT to get a 2.0 avg considering the kind of classes he would have been taking??

[Hey Yo]

Have you ever been or know a student athlete?
We had basically unlimited access to tutors specifically for the athletes.
Not to mention how lenient colleges/teachers are on them. And judging by the fact that he was already a #1 draft pick before he even left college I'm sure he got plenty of good grades he didn't deserve.

He's getting $100,000s worth of free education. LSU would've made millions regardless of Simmons playing there or not.

Lebron brings in a lot more than his $30 mil/year contract pays him, so it's the same even in the league.

Regardless, kid should be thankful he gets a free education for his little impact on the court.
Actually he didn't. He's dumb as F*CK. See my post above.

[CuhGetsBucks]

A bowler (mostly women only get bowling scholarships) is not going get $45,000 dollar free ride. :oldlol:

When does the NCAA showcase Women's or Men's bowling? Never


Simmons got a free ride and exposure. He sure as hell didn't go hungry and didn't even have to go to class. He wasn't even one of the 15 finalist for the John Wooden award.



http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14906627/ben-simmons-lsu-tigers-ineligible-wooden-award



Know how hard it is NOT to get a 2.0 avg considering the kind of classes he would have been taking??

https://twitter.com/chsnewsonline/status/674345754895323136

https://twitter.com/mason_deterding/status/649965327980343296

https://twitter.com/mason_deterding/status/649965327980343296
3 random examples I found, these are 3 people who are going to college for free. Bowling. NCAA probably doesen't make much off of them.
But Ben Simmons? Making millions off of him, and he's getting licked for the same amount of a bowler.

What are you talking about holmes?

[Hey Yo]

How much did they get? I'd bet those scholarships aren't even close to what they gave Simmons. Don't be a dope.

Are those Bowlers going to be scouted for the next level? Oh, that's right. there is no next level "team" they can get drafted to and get paid millions regardless if they pan out or not.

Like I said, he didn't go hungry and didn't even have to go to class. He still has his health and signed a nice wealthy Professional contact.

Simmons or any other guys crying about the choice they made aren't going to get any sympathy from me.

[1manfastbreak]

don't get nothing MY ASS

sure, they don't get "anything" compared to the amount of money that the school and TV companies make off of these guys, but nothing is a stretch.

a full ride scholarship ($20-40k a year) not to mention full time tutors, trainers, state of the art facilities plus room and board.

Not to mention all of the free gifts that they receive from all of the pre & post season tournaments.

[QUOTE]All told, a player on a team that runs the table this spring and wins basketball championships for the regular season, the school

[G-train]

Simmons complaining, nothing new there.

[CuhGetsBucks]

How much did they get? I'd bet those scholarships aren't even close to what they gave Simmons. Don't be a dope.

Are those Bowlers going to be scouted for the next level? Oh, that's right. there is no next level "team" they can get drafted to and get paid millions regardless if they pan out or not.

Like I said, he didn't go hungry and didn't even have to go to class. He still has his health and signed a nice wealthy Professional contact.

Simmons or any other guys crying about the choice they made aren't going to get any sympathy from me.
Do you understand how a scholarship that covers college tuition works? Because I don't think you do.

So Ben Simmons should be punished by getting finessed in the long run, because he's better at basketball than some bowlers are better at bowling... Right I gotcha:oldlol:

Yall on here are some walking licks please don't live in SE DC.

[Bankaii]

Ben Simmons could drop out for about half of the spring semester and get a refund check on half that tuition. LSU would be set to make millions without him but if you don't think the extra attentiom they received from Simmons and Blakeney playing for them this year is millions of more in difference, you're naive. 1 televised game is millions of dollars in revenue for a school, on top of that schools get paid for invitations to major pre season and post season tournaments. Also reporters, and companies such as HBO would even have to pay LSU to use Simmoms likeness in video productions and post game interviews. On top of that, LSU will still make money off of images regarding Simmons especially if he is successful in the NBA such as his college jerseys, posters and any memorabilia. And you're telling me, all of that is worth a half year of free tuition?? That's wild.
Lebron/MJ/Kobe all made around $30 mil/year, how much do you generate for their respective teams?
I'm sure proportionally it's much much MUCH greater than what Simmons is being cheated.

My point is that even NBA players don't make what they're worth, so using the "Simmons generates X amount for the NCAA" is irrelevant.
He essentially has a $45,000 salary, appreciate it.

[CuhGetsBucks]

Lebron/MJ/Kobe all made around $30 mil/year, how much do you generate for their respective teams?
I'm sure proportionally it's much much MUCH greater than what Simmons is being cheated.

My point is that even NBA players don't make what they're worth, so using the "Simmons generates X amount for the NCAA" is irrelevant.
He essentially has a $45,000 salary, appreciate it.
So we're just going to act like Kobe/MJ/LeBron don't make millions of dollars on endorsements also? Their franchises don't have a rule preventing them from making money on themselves. Kobe gets a percentage of his jersey sales in comparison to Lamar Jackson getting a donut for his. There's nothing irrelevant about anything I said, you didn't understand an argument so you dismissed it. Kill that noise.

[bdreason]

I'm sorry, but the whole education as payment argument doesn't carry weight anymore. All a BA/BS does for you these days is get you a spot in line with the other millions of people with paper degrees. On top of that, these guys are spending most of their days training and practicing, and typically have bullshit majors like Religious Studies.

I honestly don't see how the NCAA can legally ban players from accepting sponsor money. If they don't want Universities paying the athletes, that's fine, but how can they ban athletes from profiting from their own likeness?

[ralph_i_el]

Have you ever been or know a student athlete?
We had basically unlimited access to tutors specifically for the athletes.
Not to mention how lenient colleges/teachers are on them. And judging by the fact that he was already a #1 draft pick before he even left college I'm sure he got plenty of good grades he didn't deserve.

He's getting $100,000s worth of free education. LSU would've made millions regardless of Simmons playing there or not.

Lebron brings in a lot more than his $30 mil/year contract pays him, so it's the same even in the league.

Regardless, kid should be thankful he gets a free education for his little impact on the court.

I was a tutor for athletes in college.
He's not getting $100,000s of free education. half that maybe.

How can you not admit this is a scam? The schools are making $10's of millions of dollars off basketball and football

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'm not expert in this but I assume the reason why the NCAA doesn't want kids to get paid is to keep things fair between colleges that might not have as much deep pockets as others?

The same might apply to endorsements. I'm sure these colleges have deals with Nike, whoever...and they could use that influence to try and get a certain high school recruit to sign with them, by promising it would also come with a lucrative endorsement deal.The recruitment of athletes is already unfair. A college coach just had several years of being able to recruit as the head coach of USA Basketball. Think that had no influence on elite prospects? In football if your school isn't in a major conference you have no shot at the playoffs. Does that have no effect? You talk about a school's wealth being an unfair edge when a school that can't pay the salary of an elite coach absolutely will not attract top talent.

There is no making recruiting fair. If players can accept endorsements it will shift who can attract the major talents but it doesn't make things less "fair." If anything, it's more fair to the actual players that are being prevented from profiting off of their own likenesses for nonsensical reasons.


So they just make it a flat rule of "you ain't getting paid NOTHING" to keep things easier to enforce?Do you believe that Louisville is the only bball program to break rules in recent history? I'm not going to say a program is dirty when I don't have proof but I feel confident in saying there are plenty of cheaters out there that haven't been caught. This very topic was started with Simmons talking about all the illegal inducements he was offered.


Even one year of a college education can be priceless if the student takes it seriously. Yeah, the school is making money off the kid, but any org is going to take money where it can get it.Umm..no. A degree has value. A year of college? No, not really. The first year of college you are largely in lecture halls with 500 other kids and then do your one-on-one learning with a teacher's assistant. Little difference in the quality of it and a community college if we're only talking about first year. Let's say Simmons learned Cal 1, Chemistry with Calculus 1, and American Literature in the semester that he attended. So, now that he's in the NBA, what did he learn that he will use that couldn't have been better taught in a money management class?

Oh, and I guarantee he didn't learn any calculus.

A degree has value. The semester that the elite prospects attend? You aren't going to learn much if you aren't there to learn.

[InfiniteBaskets]

I'm for the players getting a fair share, but I'd like to ideally keep the money in some sort of trust until after they graduate.

I can see dropping $5-10M by sponsorship a year on a guy being a huge distraction to both the school and his career. Rarely is an 18 year old going to handle that money responsibly, it's going to create a weird power dynamic between himself, the head coach, the other players, pretty much all of his professors if he even attends class, and the other students. That likely brings down the team and over-inflates his head. At least lottery picks in the NBA aren't making more than most vets and somewhat humbled at the early stages.

I'd also imagine a good amount of fake friends, gold diggers, and scammers are going to be zeroing in on a guy fresh out of high school. And they'd be relatively successful too.

If a guy's family is truly in financial hardship, the NCAA could set up an early surrender of earnings, with the players' permission. Say a limit of $100K a year paid out to the legal guardian of the player.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'm for the players getting a fair share, but I'd like to ideally keep the money in some sort of trust until after they graduate.

I can see dropping $5-10M by sponsorship a year on a guy being a huge distraction to both the school and his career. Rarely is an 18 year old going to handle that money responsibly, it's going to create a weird power dynamic between himself, the head coach, the other players, pretty much all of his professors if he even attends class, and the other students. That likely brings down the team and over-inflates his head. At least lottery picks in the NBA aren't making more than most vets and somewhat humbled at the early stages.

I'd also imagine a good amount of fake friends, gold diggers, and scammers are going to be zeroing in on a guy fresh out of high school. And they'd be relatively successful too.

If a guy's family is truly in financial hardship, the NCAA could set up an early surrender of earnings, with the players' permission. Say a limit of $100K a year paid out to the legal guardian of the player.
An eighteen year old is a legal adult. He doesn't have a legal guardian. And do we do anything about college kids that come from rich families why we should be concerned about what happens when an athlete that actually did something to earn the money gets paid? This is overly paternalistic.

[BigNBAfan]

The university offers their athletes an opportunity to broaden and further their education. Many just choose not to take advantage and major in something irrelevant.

If the athletes are now finding that the universities cheated them, well reality is that they cheated themselves from a world class education.

Tuition is not free, my undergrad at USC was 18,000 per semester. Not bad but still not as cheap as a public school down the street like UCLA. Now the stars that actually get drafted in the NBA may feel cheated because they feel worth more, but the university is paying for EVERY athlete that plays education... that in itself is a risk...

[Real Men Wear Green]

The university offers their athletes an opportunity to broaden and further their education. Many just choose not to take advantage and major in something irrelevant.

If the athletes are now finding that the universities cheated them, well reality is that they cheated themselves from a world class education.

Tuition is not free, my undergrad at USC was 18,000 per semester. Not bad but still not as cheap as a public school down the street like UCLA. Now the stars that actually get drafted in the NBA may feel cheated because they feel worth more, but the university is paying for EVERY athlete that plays education... that in itself is a risk...
The difference is that you value the education. A guy like Ben Simmons does not. If your job paid you what they deemed to be $50,000 worth of muenster cheese per year would you be happy with it or would you want the money?

Now it is true that most college athletes aren't worth paying. Many sports don't make money. Many schools don't even have men's NCAA soccer because of the economics and Title IX. It's hard for the NCAA to determine who is and isn't worth paying and how much.

Which is why they should just let them take endorsements.

[Euroleague]

No one is forcing these guys to play in the NCAA.

They can easily to play in the Euro-league, get paid millions and get endorsements...

$200 dub
:roll: :roll:

These people are CHOOSING to play in the NCAA and CHOOSE to abide by their rules.

They could play in China, or maybe a small national league in Europe (for little money).

No EuroLeague team would ever offer a contract to a high school kid in America.

They would have to go play in China like Mudiay did.

Many high school players in America tried to get a EuroLeague contract (many of them). The only one that ever did was Brandon Jennings and he was an absolute disaster signing for his team.

Since then, no EuroLeague team has even considered it, even though numerous high school players in the US were offered by their agents to EuroLeague teams, and I am talking about the biggest of biggest names.

I am sure that not too many high school kids in the US want to go to China for a year.

[Bless Mathews]

Look.

This is my idea.

Getting literature moving right now..


It's pretty simple.


1. Players like Ben Simmons are going to be multi millionaires. They don't NEED to get paid.

THEY WONT GRADUATE.

2. Most all of players like Ben Simmons teammates won't be multi millionaires like Ben Simmons, but contribute to their schools making millions over millions of dollars.

My proposal is:

IF AND ONLY IF YOU GRADUATE, THEN players should get paid.

One and doners, are using their schools for advertising campaign for pro teams. They are going to get paid anyways. They shouldn't get paid.

But for the players that grind, give their blood sweat and tears and aren't using their schools as an advertising company, then they should get paid.

Pretty simple.

And remember where you heard it first.

[Euroleague]

Euro league Pro Basketball is better competition (for an 18yr old) than NCAAM would be.....for a player like Simmons stature.


No chance they even close to getting the same amount.

No EuroLeague team would have even the slightest interest in signing someone like Simmons out of high school. In fact, it was reported his agents offered him to EuroLeague teams and they had no interest at all.

So saying EuroLeague is an option in these cases is just simply incorrect.

They would have to go play in a small national league in Europe (like how Jeremy Tyler signed with one of the smallest clubs in Israel), and not get paid much.

Or if they wanted a lot of money, they would have to do like Mudiay did and sign in China.

EuroLeague is not an option. Towns was offered to EuroLeague teams before he went to Kentucky and none were interested.

[Hey Yo]

No EuroLeague team would have even the slightest interest in signing someone like Simmons out of high school. In fact, it was reported his agents offered him to EuroLeague teams and they had no interest at all.

So saying EuroLeague is an option in these cases is just simply incorrect.

They would have to go play in a small national league in Europe (like how Jeremy Tyler signed with one of the smallest clubs in Israel), and not get paid much.

Or if they wanted a lot of money, they would have to do like Mudiay did and sign in China.

EuroLeague is not an option. Towns was offered to EuroLeague teams before he went to Kentucky and none were interested.
Towns parents offered him before his 16th birthday??


Towns hadn't even finalized his high school plans at the time, but Calipari was already after his college commitment. Towns wouldn't play on the 2011 team, but after the DR (Dominican Republic) finished one spot short of securing a bid to the 2012 London Olympics, Cal was back to coach the team in the 2012 FIBA World Olympic Qualifying Tournament.

This time, a 16-year-old Towns was on the roster alongside several NBA players including Al Horford. He played nine minutes against Team USA, making a three-pointer and blocking a Russell Westbrook layup. Calipari failed in his goal to get the Dominican Republic to the Olympics, but Towns would commit to Kentucky later that year. It sure seems like everything worked out the way Cal wanted it to.

According to that, he committed to UK at age 16.

[G-train]

I don't really care if they can join the NBA at 15.

But inevitably the players have agreed to this rule, and looks like they have a third time.

So maybe Simmons should be mad at his pal Lebron (the VP of PA).

And he probably should have tried to learn something in that one year... as discipline, hard work, humility, respect for authority aren't his strong suits.

This guy is a grade A fraud, but looks like NBA is on board to promote him (given his all summer league team award, when he was terrible), but they can only do so much.

So let's see how this power forward who can't shoot, can't play inside, lazy, poor defender and bad attitude can do with the NBA's help.

[Euroleague]

Towns parents offered him before his 16th birthday??



According to that, he committed to UK at age 16.

And that means nothing to the issue at hand. Which was he was offered to EuroLeague teams right before he played at Kentucky.

They tried to get a deal for one year for money, and no one wanted to give it to them.

Barca offered for him to play in their farm team.

The point stands, EuroLeague is not an actual option for players in these siutations, so it makes no sense to claim that it is an option for them.

If it was an option then yes, lots of them would be going that route. But no EuroLeague team has any interest in this.

[tpols]

They could play in China, or maybe a small national league in Europe (for little money).

No EuroLeague team would ever offer a contract to a high school kid in America.

They would have to go play in China like Mudiay did.

Many high school players in America tried to get a EuroLeague contract (many of them). The only one that ever did was Brandon Jennings and he was an absolute disaster signing for his team.

Since then, no EuroLeague team has even considered it, even though numerous high school players in the US were offered by their agents to EuroLeague teams, and I am talking about the biggest of biggest names.

I am sure that not too many high school kids in the US want to go to China for a year.


well, brandon jennings is a special breed of dumb.. if this is true, it is a shame that he ruined it for everyone else.

[Hey Yo]

And that means nothing to the issue at hand. Which was he was offered to EuroLeague teams right before he played at Kentucky.

They tried to get a deal for one year for money, and no one wanted to give it to them.

Barca offered for him to play in their farm team.

The point stands, EuroLeague is not an actual option for players in these siutations, so it makes no sense to claim that it is an option for them.

If it was an option then yes, lots of them would be going that route. But no EuroLeague team has any interest in this.
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[CuhGetsBucks]

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[FireDavidKahn]

The NCAA is also about the entire spectrum of athletes, the 99.9999% of them that wont turn into a professional athlete.

[CelticBaller]

Just develop the D league, have high school players go straight to d league instead of the NCAA