Are the Warriors severely overrated?

[tmacattack33]

1. In 2015, the perfect storm cooked up and the Warriors won the Finals by playing a bunch of pretty decent teams with their best players injurerd.


2. In 2016, the Warriors did have the best regular season record ever. But was that just a result of them going 100% while other teams were going at 85%?

Remember, at the start of last year the media gave the Warriors no credit at all for their 2015 ring, due to all those opponent star injuries mentioned above. The Warriors players wanted to prove themselves.

And we are talking about the 2015 era NBA here...where Popovich rests starters for no reason in the regular season and teams are tanking left and right for draft picks. Really the regular season needs to be shortened and is way too long.

3. So, I think the Warriors perceived greatness has been overhyped like crazy.

What do you think?

[Haymaker]

Warriors are good, but not Miami good. I mean, Wade, the second best player in Miami's big three era was better than Warriors' best player, KD. Warriors have a duo, not a big three or anything. It's two Superstars and two good role players.

[CuhGetsBucks]

Point #2 is an awful point, in a professional league the Warriors should be knocked at going at everyone full force? They were 5 points away from being champions again did everyone not try during the post season too? The Spurs went 85% the whole season, oh yah? How did that work out for them?

I'm in no stretch of the imagination a Warriors fan but this doesn't even make sense.

[LilEddyCurry]

If anything they are underrated right now due to the overreaction of the first loss to The Spurs.

[LilEddyCurry]

Warriors are good, but not Miami good. I mean, Wade, the second best player in Miami's big three era was better than Warriors' best player, KD. Warriors have a duo, not a big three or anything. It's two Superstars and two good role players.

You can say that about prime Wade. But 2012-2014 Wade is not as good as KD right now...

[tpols]

2. In 2016, the Warriors did have the best regular season record ever. But was that just a result of them going 100% while other teams were going at 85%?


uh.. what? when fielding their starting five, they looked pretty much the same in the playoffs as they did in the regular season. Went off on Portland and Thunder in record breaking fashion with the 3 ball.. were on track to do the same in the finals but missing time from all their big guy screeners threw the system for a loop. (as well as crippled the defense)


Last years peak warriors were a truly all time great team when they had their full line up.. and were seeing that now with the addition of Kevin Durant, that it wasnt just about accumulating star talent.. it was about crafting a perfectly balanced and cohesive system.


the Warriors will never be as good again as they were late in 2016.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Yes. Totally 100% agree. Especially their injured competition in the 2015 playoffs.

Everyone should see this. For anyone who has viewed the game, and this league in context for more than 5 or 6 years.

Last year was insanely weak league too. The west fell off outside the top 2 - 3 teams. Cavs, and Thunder coasted. Warriors and Spurs went all out. GS trying to prove their asterick ring wasn't a fluke due to Cleveland missing their next two best players, and facing an injury riddled Clipper team.

GSW went all out, with admittedly great regular season gimmicky 3 point cheese offense with two of the best shooters ever. And they demolished a weak league, while trying their absolute hardest every game.

No one talks about them but SAS won 67 frigging games. Nearly undefeated at home too. That's crazy. Then got throttled and sent home in the second round.

Everyone ignores the fact the Warriors had like 5 to 8 games that went to OT or were won by just a point or two. Not to mention their 72 win which came thanks to a completely bogus non call in Memphis.

When they did lose in the regular season, they were manhandled. And then promptly in the playoffs lost just as many games in 16 games against more focused competition, as they did all 82 against bum teams or coasters.

[tmacattack33]

Point #2 is an awful point, in a professional league the Warriors should be knocked at going at everyone full force? They were 5 points away from being champions again did everyone not try during the post season too? The Spurs went 85% the whole season, oh yah? How did that work out for them?

I'm in no stretch of the imagination a Warriors fan but this doesn't even make sense.

No, I was not knocking them going 100%. That is certainly commendable, not something to be knocked.

[Bankaii]

Nah if they would've won back to back rings last season they'd be getting called the GOAT team and Steph would be getting GOAT talks.

They were literally one quarter away from absolute success, they just all choked, except Dray.

[warriorfan]

2. In 2016, the Warriors did have the best regular season record ever. But was that just a result of them going 100% while other teams were going at 85%?


****ing exposed big time. This chingy obviously didn't watch more than 3 GSW games all year and then comes in here acting like he knows two shits. Every single team went 110% vs the Warriors during the regular season. At the start of the season it was because they were the returning champs, then at the middle of the season it was to break their record setting starting streak, after that teams went all out for till the end to try to interrupt the 73 game goal. Teams with no playoff hopes were going all out because playing the Warriors was litterally the biggest game of their season.

Cliffnotes: Get the **** out and stop posting you moron

[scuzzy]

****ing exposed big time. This chingy obviously didn't watch more than 3 GSW games all year and then comes in here acting like he knows two shits. Every single team went 110% vs the Warriors during the regular season. At the start of the season it was because they were the returning champs, then at the middle of the season it was to break their record setting starting streak, after that teams went all out for till the end to try to interrupt the 73 game goal. Teams with no playoff hopes were going all out because playing the Warriors was litterally the biggest game of their season.

Cliffnotes: Get the **** out and stop posting you moron


Meltdown. :roll:

[warriorfan]

Uh oh here comes cumguzzy to make some more autistic styled jokes about shoes :eek:

[scuzzy]

Meltdown 2.0. :lol

[warriorfan]

keep guzzling :lol

[scuzzy]

3.0. :lol

[warriorfan]

Guzzy gets every drop every time, certified pro

[SouBeachTalents]

Nah if they would've won back to back rings last season they'd be getting called the GOAT team and Steph would be getting GOAT talks.

They were literally one quarter away from absolute success, they just all choked, except Dray.

Agreed with everything but this. If Curry plays the exact same way in the Finals and had a teammate win FMVP for the second straight year, the GOAT talks would've halted, albeit not as much as it did with them losing lol

[Prime_Shaq]

They aren't but its understated how much Warriors had to give up for Durant.

[Prometheus]

I don't know - I don't watch basketball.

[knicksman]

They were destroying the cavs until refs took over.

[knicksman]

Right now, they are not as good as last year but what matters is the potential if they trade klay for a defensive center.

[Nilocon165]

Right now, they are not as good as last year but what matters is the potential if they trade klay for a defensive center.
Why would you trade a player better than Lebron?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=405658

[knicksman]

Why would you trade a player better than Lebron?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=405658

youll understand when you learn how to build teams kiddie

[Nilocon165]

youll understand when you learn how to build teams kiddie
:facepalm

Weirdo.

[ShawkFactory]

Why would you trade a player better than Lebron?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=405658
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[pedromarinho]

Are you guys drunk?

15/16 Warriors started the PO's much sooner than all the other teams.

Right after the 73 conversation started every game was like a Playoff game to the Warriors. Every opponent would play that match like it was their last. It was ridiculous. I've never seen anything like that before.

I remember a match in Boston.. Man... that croud was possessed.

Milwaukee too.

That regular season finale was absolutely nuts.

This is a fact. Not an excuse. A fact.

The fact of a West team winning 73 regular season matches and going up 3-1 in the Finals it's much more relevant in terms of saying who is better than for example the road that Cavs had to take.

I'm not taking any merit of LeBron and his teammates. That was absolutely godly too. But if that season had repeated itself for 10 times, Warriors would be Champions 7 or 8 out of 10. They were simply superior.

Sorry 4 any bad English.

[knicksman]

:facepalm

Weirdo.

honestly bro, youre a dumbass. REal talk.

[Nilocon165]

honestly bro, youre a dumbass. REal talk.
Atleast I can speak English

[knicksman]

Atleast I can speak English

im good at math. No need for english. Its for losers who takes easier subjects.

[Nilocon165]

im good at math. No need for english. Its for losers who takes easier subjects.
You're still a retard bud.

[knicksman]

You're still a retard bud.

A retard is someone who thinks that someone who hasnt proven without superteams is better than kobe/curry:lol

[GimmeThat]

can teamwork trump star power comes the playoff in a professional league?

when you decide to take these terms to the extreme, then you say well, what we did see was some great basketball

can college basketball stars get over the reality that beyond a pure physical aspect (quickness, reach, etc) the reasons as to why they can't make it in the league is that not a whole lot of people give a damn about "pure basketball"

when you've got to see the same people days after days, years after years, sportsmanship comes into the equation. a common universal language, a language journalists been living off of it for decades and most likely even longer.

if you really want to talk about ego, and I suppose we can even say, immature people getting away with murder. American college football can be one tainted and disgusting industry alright.

[jstern]

No one is claiming that the Warriors weren't the best team in the league. The point is that they are not 73 wins good. The Spurs, while resting their players almost won 70 games. The talk last years was about how the league, unlike in the past, are following Popvich's tactic of resting his players. He even rested them against the Warriors. Meanwhile the Warriors, set out to break that record from the beginning of the season. Which is not a strong goal of the top teams every year. These guys were motivated. Best team in the league, just not 73 wins, dominate the playoff type, never in danger of getting eliminated kind of team. This is a team that should have lost to the Thunder if Durant had not choked. That right there proves that this is not a 73 level team.

[warriorfan]

No one is claiming that the Warriors weren't the best team in the league. The point is that they are not 73 wins good. The Spurs, while resting their players almost won 70 games. The talk last years was about how the league, unlike in the past, are following Popvich's tactic of resting his players. He even rested them against the Warriors. Meanwhile the Warriors, set out to break that record from the beginning of the season. Which is not a strong goal of the top teams every year. These guys were motivated. Best team in the league, just not 73 wins, dominate the playoff type, never in danger of getting eliminated kind of team. This is a team that should have lost to the Thunder if Durant had not choked. That right there proves that this is not a 73 level team.
They earned their 73 wins fair and square, but paid the price of burning themselves out big time. See the other posts about how every team went 110% vs the Warriors all year. A huge portion of the games in the regular season had playoff intensity for reasons previously mentioned in this thread.

Under-performing in the playoffs due to fatigue and injury partly caused by the 73 win team doesn't negate the accomplishment of 73 wins.

Cliffnotes: You are dumb as **** and should stop posting

[Spurs m8]

No one is claiming that the Warriors weren't the best team in the league. The point is that they are not 73 wins good. The Spurs, while resting their players almost won 70 games. The talk last years was about how the league, unlike in the past, are following Popvich's tactic of resting his players. He even rested them against the Warriors. Meanwhile the Warriors, set out to break that record from the beginning of the season. Which is not a strong goal of the top teams every year. These guys were motivated. Best team in the league, just not 73 wins, dominate the playoff type, never in danger of getting eliminated kind of team. This is a team that should have lost to the Thunder if Durant had not choked. That right there proves that this is not a 73 level team.

Correct

[GimmeThat]

They earned their 73 wins fair and square, but paid the price of burning themselves out big time. See the other posts about how every team went 110% vs the Warriors all year. A huge portion of the games in the regular season had playoff intensity for reasons previously mentioned in this thread.

Under-performing in the playoffs due to fatigue and injury partly caused by the 73 win team doesn't negate the accomplishment of 73 wins.

Cliffnotes: You are dumb as **** and should stop posting

if every game teams went 110% against the Warriors, then how did those team not burn themselves out big time?

the Warrior's strategy doesn't negate the accomplishment of 73 wins, but they did lose on their home floor with the championship on the line.

[warriorfan]

if every game teams went 110% against the Warriors, then how did those team not burn themselves out big time?


How many times does one team play the Warriors a year during the regular season? If they go 110% in each of their match ups vs the Warriors, that is literally a minute fraction of the season as opposed to the Warriors who played the majority of the season against teams going 110%. Not to mention all the teams that were not going to even make playoffs and were coasting/tanking through the majority of the season. They had plenty of gas in the tank when they would meet the warriors and wouldn't have to conserve any because they were not going to make the playoffs anyways. So garbage teams like Brooklyn and Milwaukee played twice as hard vs the Warriors then they did in any other game of their season.



the Warrior's strategy doesn't negate the accomplishment of 73 wins, but they did lose on their home floor with the championship on the line.

They lost on their home floor with the championship on the line because they were burned out from the 73 win streak record while the entire league was trying to spoil it. Plus some extremely untimley injuries and suspensions.

Cliffnotes: You are seriously ****ing retarded

[Prometheus]

How many times does one team play the Warriors a year during the regular season? If they go 110% in each of their match ups vs the Warriors, that is literally a minute fraction of the season as opposed to the Warriors who played the majority of the season against teams going 110%. Not to mention all the teams that were not going to even make playoffs and were coasting/tanking through the majority of the season. They had plenty of gas in the tank when they would meet the warriors and wouldn't have to conserve any because they were not going to make the playoffs anyways. So garbage teams like Brooklyn and Milwaukee played twice as hard vs the Warriors then they did in any other game of their season.


You want to claim the Warriors are a GOAT-level team, and you're talking about how much effort it took them to beat lottery teams who were trying. Do you realize how dumb that is? I guess not, or you wouldn't say it.


They lost on their home floor with the championship on the line because they were burned out from the 73 win streak record while the entire league was trying to spoil it. Plus some extremely untimley injuries and suspensions.

They lost fair and square to a team that outplayed them.


Cliffnotes: You are seriously ****ing retarded

That's just rude.

[dunksby]

To call a team that won 73 games in a season in the NBA "severely overrated" is just an insult to the league and other teams. Some teams play the RS with less intensity, but you cannot survive an NBA season with single digit loss column unless you have an all-time great team.

[Dragonyeuw]

They earned their 73 wins fair and square, but paid the price of burning themselves out big time. See the other posts about how every team went 110% vs the Warriors all year. A huge portion of the games in the regular season had playoff intensity for reasons previously mentioned in this thread.

Under-performing in the playoffs due to fatigue and injury partly caused by the 73 win team doesn't negate the accomplishment of 73 wins.

Cliffnotes: You are dumb as **** and should stop posting

They needed to validate their 2015 title with another title, not a regular season record and then burnout in the playoffs. All it does is give credence to the argument that they likely don't win in 2015 if the Cavs had Irving and Love. And that team wasn't as remotely cohesive as they are now. The Warriors are more or less a steroid version of the 2005 Suns with better defense. And as it stands right now, the injury gods gifted them a ring in 2015, they choke in 2016, and then have to go out and get a former MVP and 4 time scoring champ in his prime to stack an already stacked deck.

[jstern]

They earned their 73 wins fair and square, but paid the price of burning themselves out big time. See the other posts about how every team went 110% vs the Warriors all year. A huge portion of the games in the regular season had playoff intensity for reasons previously mentioned in this thread.

Under-performing in the playoffs due to fatigue and injury partly caused by the 73 win team doesn't negate the accomplishment of 73 wins.

Cliffnotes: You are dumb as **** and should stop posting

Dumb as ****? You're the one who just said they burned themselves out during the regular season. The Spurs could have easily won 70 games due to a weaker than usual league, yet they even rested players against the Warriors.

[antonAC]

They won 73 games, no one else has, whatever you think of them they deserve complete and utter respect for achieving that.

However, they won that because their bench strength was incredible and they played incredible team basketball, that alone would have seen them win 60+ games but then you throw in a player having probably the greatest season offensively since Wilt put up 50 a game

that's what regular season measure, how consistent you are and how deep you are, Curry's play was the X-factor that took it to the record.

the play-offs are more about how strong the starters are, which is why OKC were nowhere near them in the regular season with their average bench and patchy offensive sets but when it came to the play-offs having two MVP level players sunk the spurs and put them within touching distance of the warriors.

this season the warriors are going to lose more because the replacements aren't as good and good as the big 4 are, they won't go off every game.

we won't really see the new incarnation of the warriors until April, that will be when the starters play more minutes and will be encouraged to completely take over games.

[SamuraiSWISH]

No one is claiming that the Warriors weren't the best team in the league. The point is that they are not 73 wins good. The Spurs, while resting their players almost won 70 games. The talk last years was about how the league, unlike in the past, are following Popvich's tactic of resting his players. He even rested them against the Warriors. Meanwhile the Warriors, set out to break that record from the beginning of the season. Which is not a strong goal of the top teams every year. These guys were motivated. Best team in the league, just not 73 wins, dominate the playoff type, never in danger of getting eliminated kind of team. This is a team that should have lost to the Thunder if Durant had not choked. That right there proves that this is not a 73 level team.
:applause:

[CelticBaller]

No one is claiming that the Warriors weren't the best team in the league. The point is that they are not 73 wins good. The Spurs, while resting their players almost won 70 games. The talk last years was about how the league, unlike in the past, are following Popvich's tactic of resting his players. He even rested them against the Warriors. Meanwhile the Warriors, set out to break that record from the beginning of the season. Which is not a strong goal of the top teams every year. These guys were motivated. Best team in the league, just not 73 wins, dominate the playoff type, never in danger of getting eliminated kind of team. This is a team that should have lost to the Thunder if Durant had not choked. That right there proves that this is not a 73 level team.
The "70 win spurs" got bounced by the same team that lost a 3-1 lead to the warriors fool

[warriorfan]

Random rednecks who watch no Golden State games are doing mental gymnastics to try to discredit the Warriors

so good :lol

[scuzzy]

Warriorfan replying to every post in fumes:lol

Haha

We stay winning

:djparty:

[jstern]

The "70 win spurs" got bounced by the same team that lost a 3-1 lead to the warriors fool

Which goes on to further prove my point that these records were inflated. That's the reason why I mentioned them. What's so difficult to comprehend?


Random rednecks who watch no Golden State games are doing mental gymnastics to try to discredit the Warriors

so good :lol
They actually did that themselves.

[warriorfan]

Warriorfan replying to every post in fumes:lol

Haha

We stay winning

:djparty:

oh shit cumguzzy coming for another serving, open wide lil buddy!

[SamuraiSWISH]

They were a motivated 67 win team that got a lot of luck, a lot of regular season bounces to go their way to reach 73 wins. Something they exert a lot of effort to get. Got manhandles vs OKC who then choked. Mostly due to Durant. Then went up 3 to 1 until they pissed off LeBron / Kyrie with stupid wife and Klay Thompson comments. Got throttled again. Melted down in Cleveland and in the 4th. LeBron stuffed Iggy and then Kyrie cocck slapped Cuckry. Yet again.

[scuzzy]

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With male genitals on his mind


Haha


No life


I win


(Like always)


:cheers:

[Spurs m8]

oh shit cumguzzy coming for another serving, open wide lil buddy!

Stop melting down you sore losing, no life fgt

[scuzzy]

Stop melting down you sore losing, no life fgt

The dude is so red in the face right now :lol


Brace for an incoming cringe 8yo peepee joke


:roll:

[Rocketswin2013]

The Warriors are properly rated so far. It's the Spurs.

Morons think they're GOAT-level.

[L8krH8tr]

I hate them more than the Lakers now.

[TommyGriffin]

They were a motivated 67 win team that got a lot of luck, a lot of regular season bounces to go their way to reach 73 wins. Something they exert a lot of effort to get. Got manhandles vs OKC who then choked. Mostly due to Durant. Then went up 3 to 1 until they pissed off LeBron / Kyrie with stupid wife and Klay Thompson comments. Got throttled again. Melted down in Cleveland and in the 4th. LeBron stuffed Iggy and then Kyrie cocck slapped Cuckry. Yet again.
Thanks, Coach.