D'Antoni Made Steve Nash

[selrahc]

Nash would be considered a scrub if he never played for D'Antoni. Look at what D'antoni is doing for James Harden and even what he did for Jeremy Lin. Kobe would have 3 mvps if it wasnt for D'antoni.

[aj1987]

Nash would be considered a scrub if he never played for D'Antoni. Look at what D'antoni is doing for James Harden and even what he did for Jeremy Lin. Kobe would have 3 mvps if it wasnt for D'antoni.
:roll: :roll:

Dude has one pity MVP. He wasn't winning an MVP in '06 and '05, even if Nash lost. Dude didn't even get a single vote in '05 and was 4th in '06.

[PejaNowitzki]

:biggums: :biggums:

[livingby3's]

Was an allstar on the Mavs

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe was the best basketball player in the world from '06 - '08. I don't see how anyone without an agenda couldn't see that. Also, Nash was still an all star in Dallas before going to Phoenix.

[Smoke117]

Kobe was not better than Wade in 06 or 07. Wade actually played defense in 06 and was the best player in the world in the 07 season before he got hurt.

[tamaraw08]

Was an allstar on the Mavs

this, OP mightt not be an NBA fan yet when this happened. :pimp:

[KyleKong]

:biggums:

[Prime_Shaq]

Nash was totally a scrub on the Mavs :rolleyes:

[GimmeThat]

these are probably just typical cases of coaches running an offense that can only be utilized at the professional level instead of the collegiate level

or you can say, at the professional level, a team get to choose what type of style the player they choose, where as with the collegiate level, it's just not a sustainable practice.


we could re-write everything in here to, Pop made ________

[Toizumi]

It can't be argued that D'Antoni ran the perfect system for Nash to create plays for others.. I mean, James Harden is averaging 13 dimes per game throughout his first 8 games under D'Antoni.

However, there are A LOT of other factors that contributed to Nash's succes.
He had unique court vision and was an extremely intelligent player and great shooter. Nash worked hard on his improvement through the years.
Rule changes gave Nash more space to operate than he had before with the Mavs (when he was already a solid player):

[QUOTE]2004-05

[Im Still Ballin]

Let's see if J-Hard can get to the 60+ win mark. Steven did it twice under The Pringles Man.

[Im Still Ballin]

As far as roster comparisons, Steve's teams were obviously more yoked out. Amare, Marion, Barbosa, Diaw, Bell.

Even Joe Johnson in that first season.

Harden's got some talent. But doesn't have that high end talent like Amare. Ironically he did with Dwight.

[paksat]

Kobe was not better than Wade in 06 or 07. Wade actually played defense in 06 and was the best player in the world in the 07 season before he got hurt.


This

wade was astonishing at the time

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe was not better than Wade in 06 or 07. Wade actually played defense in 06 and was the best player in the world in the 07 season before he got hurt.
Wade wasn't as good of a defender as Kobe, and wasn't carrying the same level of offensive burden. Or playing in even close to as difficult of a conference.

Kobe was the best player in 2006.

Wade in 2007, before his shoulder dislocation in Houston, I'd agree was the best player in the league that season.

But Kobe also didn't round into his better form until like January. Due to the weight gain, slow start of knee surgery. So Wade flamed out, and the best player was Bryant for the regular season. Clearly. As LeBron also suffered a decline in production.

2007, in total, with playoffs

1) Duncan
2) LeBron
3) Kobe

2007, in regular season

1) Kobe
2) Wade
3) Dirk

Both Wade, and Dirk were on the best teams in their conference. Both played in the previous years Finals. And both underperformed significantly in the playoffs ... both getting the boot in the 1st round.

Dirk even more embarrassing because he won a fraudulent MVP. Played like ass, with a 67 win team, and lost to an 8th seed.

:roll:

[Ben Simons]

It was the rule changes combined with D'Antoni. I give D'Antoni props for being aware of how to utilize Nash so quickly, while the rest of the league was playing catchup. The rest of the league has now caught up, which makes it more difficult for D'Antoni to thrive.

[SamuraiSWISH]

It was the rule changes combined with D'Antoni. I give D'Antoni props for being aware of how to utilize Nash so quickly, while the rest of the league was playing catchup. The rest of the league has now caught up, which makes it more difficult for D'Antoni to thrive.
Yea but him using him correctly is enhanced by Nash's basketball skills that aren't as easily replicated league wide.

The Warriors of the past few years since Kerr took over are definitely the 2004 - 2010 Suns on steroids, given that at least for awhile they could play defense, and had even more blistering shooting.

[BigKAT]

Yea but him using him correctly is enhanced by Nash's basketball skills that aren't as easily replicated league wide.

The Warriors of the past few years since Kerr took over are definitely the 2004 - 2010 Suns on steroids, given that at least for awhile they could play defense, and had even more blistering shooting.

Exactly.

Coaching can make players great.
Talent can make players great.

When you have both of them, that is when you really have something special. (MVP's, Rings etc..)

[SamuraiSWISH]

Exactly.

Coaching can make players great.
Talent can make players great.

When you have both of them, that is when you really have something special. (MVP's, Rings etc..)
Lol, didn't you conceit to just starting to watch basketball a few years ago? After previously being a soccer guy?

Anyway, yes you're right. They both amplified each other. And Nash was already an all star PG for a few seasons in a row.

PS: SMH @ the Dirk stans saying he had no help. Let's also not forget the loaded surrounding rosters. Guys like Finley, Van Excel, Josh Howard, Jason Terry, Walker, and Jamison.

:facepalm

[Im Still Ballin]

It was the rule changes combined with D'Antoni. I give D'Antoni props for being aware of how to utilize Nash so quickly, while the rest of the league was playing catchup. The rest of the league has now caught up, which makes it more difficult for D'Antoni to thrive.
Your second sentence is too long. Twenty-three words. I suggest no more than sixteen.

[Rocketswin2013]

Nash was still pretty good even on his NBA deathbed with Gentry.

[BigKAT]

Lol, didn't you conceit to just starting to watch basketball a few years ago? After previously being a soccer guy?

Anyway, yes you're right. They both amplified each other. And Nash was already an all star PG for a few seasons in a row.

PS: SMH @ the Dirk stans saying he had no help. Let's also not forget the loaded surrounding rosters. Guys like Finley, Van Excel, Josh Howard, Jason Terry, Walker, and Jamison.

:facepalm

Watched European Basketball.
A whole different animal than NBA, but still.
Even watching the NBA for a few years is enough to come to the conclusion that greatness is achieved by a multitude of things rather than just one thing.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Basketball has less nuance than any other popular sport in the world. It's not that complicated.
Well yes. Beauty and artistry is in simplicity. Takes a genius to make something simple. And a moron to make it over complicated. Complexity doesn't always equate to better. And even then, there is plenty of nuance to basketball. Actually the most straight forward sport is football and soccer.

[Smoke117]

Wade wasn't as good of a defender as Kobe, and wasn't carrying the same level of offensive burden. Or playing in even close to as difficult of a conference.



Kobe didn't even play defense in 06...what the **** are you talking about?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe didn't even play defense in 06...what the **** are you talking about?
Because he was putting up near 10 more PPG, carrying far worse teammates, in a much more difficult conference. Can't ignore context either.

How can you not comprehend this beyond your anti Kobe bias?

Bryant carried a heavier burden. Also, no defense? He got selected to the all defensive first team. They don't just hand that to players who reportedly play NO DEFENSE.

More exaggerations, and saltiness.

[Smoke117]

Because he was putting up near 10 more PPG, carrying far worse teammates, in a much more difficult conference. Can't ignore context either.

How can you not comprehend this beyond your anti Kobe bias?

Bryant carried a heavier burden. Also, no defense? He got selected to the all defensive first team. They don't just hand that to players who reportedly play NO DEFENSE.

More exaggerations, and saltiness.

Give me a break...Wade had just as much to do in 09 while also BEING THE BEST DEFENSIVE GUARD IN THE LEAGUE.

You clearly didn't watch much of Kobe in 06 either if you think he deserved that first team all defensive team nod. This post is almost as cringeworthy as your Jordan posts.

[OmniStrife]

OP you got your shit mixed up
Nash made D'Antoni.

2003-04 D'Antony w/o Nash: 29–53 (.354)
2004-05 D'Antony with Nash: 62–20 (.756)

[SamuraiSWISH]

You clearly didn't watch much of Kobe in 06 either if you think he deserved that first team all defensive team nod. This post is almost as cringeworthy as your Jordan posts.
His quality or consistency dipped due to energy levels needed for offense. 35 ppg v.s. 27 ppg. That's a HUGE titanic difference. Also,

Shaq, Walker, Haslem, Payton, and Jason Williams

vs

Mihm, Cook, Brown, Walton, and Smush Parker

:facepalm

Maybe 1st team defense wasn't deserving, but at this point he still was a better defender than Wade 2nd or 3rd team would be logical. But hey it makes up for him getting first defense team SHAFTED in 2000, and 2001.

And Kobe was a better defender than Wade up until the 2009 season.

[Smoke117]

His quality or consistency dipped due to energy levels needed for offense. 35 ppg v.s. 27 ppg. That's a HUGE titanic difference. Also,

Shaq, Walker, Haslem, Payton, and Jason Williams

vs

Mihm, Cook, Brown, Walton, and Smush Parker

:facepalm

Maybe 1st team defense wasn't deserving, but at this point he still was a better defender than Wade 2nd or 3rd team would be logical. But hey it makes up for him getting first defense team SHAFTED in 2000, and 2001.

And Kobe was a better defender than Wade up until the 2009 season.

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Wade was already a good to very good defender by 06 and actually...playing defense. There is no possible way you can reasonably say Kobe was a better defensive player than Wade in 06 and 07 before he got injured.

[SamuraiSWISH]

http://scalabrinealert.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Disapointed-Michael-Jordan-Headshake.gif

Wade was already a good to very good defender by 06 and actually...playing defense. There is no possible way you can reasonably say Kobe was a better defensive player than Wade in 06 and 07 before he got injured.
Are you being enamored with blocks, or quality on ball defense?

Because the latter, Kobe is just far superior. At any point in their career. Wade was solid on ball, great help defender. Kobe was great on ball defender, and at times lazy help defender.

From an ability perspective he definitely hadn't surpassed Kobe at that point. And he was allowed more energy defensively those seasons given the quality of teammate support compared to Bryant. Obvious is frigging obvious.

The very next year in 2008, when Kobe got Gasol to finally help, his defensive intensity and consistency immediately picked up.

:facepalm

Also you don't seem near as pissed that Kobe clearly deserved first team all defense in 2001 but didn't get it. Call the 2006 a wash.

[kentatm]

It can't be argued that D'Antoni ran the perfect system for Nash to create plays for others.. I mean, James Harden is averaging 13 dimes per game throughout his first 8 games under D'Antoni.

However, there are A LOT of other factors that contributed to Nash's succes.
He had unique court vision and was an extremely intelligent player and great shooter. Nash worked hard on his improvement through the years.
Rule changes gave Nash more space to operate than he had before with the Mavs (when he was already a solid player):



I also helps that he had some fantastic shooters and finishers around him, that all played at a high pace.


IMO the biggest thing that aided Nash was the increased work he put in to keep his body healthy.

The main reason the Mavs didn't think twice about matching (and why many thought the Suns deal was a massive over payment at the time) was b/c Nash was always wearing down and getting hurt by season's end.

He has said the shock of Dallas refusing to match helped motivate him to do a better job of taking care of his body.

[aj1987]

SamuraiSWISH said AI primarily played off the ball. Are you seriously gonna talk ball with a dude who clearly never watched basketball,
Smoke? :oldlol:

3rd team All-Def? And this guy claims to be a coach. :roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

SamuraiSWISH said AI primarily played off the ball. Are you seriously gonna talk ball with a dude who clearly never watched basketball,
Smoke? :oldlol:

3rd team All-Def? And this guy claims to be a coach. :roll:
Iverson dribbled a lot to initiate his own offense, but he absolutely played off the ball. Sixers had him running off picks constantly while Eric Snow initiated the offense, and HANDLED THE BALL. Aaron McKie as well.

[CuterThanRubio]

I love Nash because envious and petty fvckboys throw TANTRUMS on the regular when he's mentioned.

2 Time MVP, baby!

Your text will never take that away

I can't even respond in a serious manner to these kind of threads which is disappointing because Nash can never be discussed without bitchy stans expressing their internal pain and sorrow

Keep typing!


#NashGang

[aj1987]

Iverson dribbled a lot to initiate his own offense, but he absolutely played off the ball. Sixers had him running off picks constantly while Eric Snow initiated the offense, and HANDLED THE BALL. Aaron McKie as well.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Dude is arguably one of the most ball dominant players of all time and you said he primarily played off ball. Great analysis, Coach.

What the **** happened to that thread?

[miggyme1]

Nash would be considered a scrub if he never played for D'Antoni. Look at what D'antoni is doing for James Harden and even what he did for Jeremy Lin. Kobe would have 3 mvps if it wasnt for D'antoni.


if danatoni made him why didn't he make anybody else???? lin had a good run then he ran into south beach and got bodied and never was the same. soooooo yea explain that.


dallas made the dumbest mistake ever by releasing an aging guard whose game was never predicated on athleticism and nash took that fire and let it fuel him...that's what made him great not dantoni's shitty ass high school offense. sorry

[tpols]

Kobe was not better than Wade in 06 or 07. Wade actually played defense in 06 and was the best player in the world in the 07 season before he got hurt.


Dwayne "before he got hurt " wade ..

You have to play the games homeboy.