73 win team with 3 all-stars and 3 All-NBA players vs. 57 win team with 1 all-star

[Dray n Klay]

If you were just given the above information, who would you pick to win, and in how many games? :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

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Most 4th Quarter Points during the Finals

1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
1993 Michael Jordan 10.3

2015 Steph Curry had one of the most clutch performance in NBA history. The only player to score more 4th Quarter Finals points than Steph Curry was Shaquille Oneal, and he didn't even score one point more than Curry while Curry scored 14% more efficiently than Shaquille


In the 2016 Finals he was not able to play as well as he did in 2015

What happened in 2016 that didn't happen in 2015? The major MCL injury


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Curry had a lack of lateral quickness and ability to change direction because of his MCL injury

Here is a clip of healthy Curry showcasing his excellent lateral quickness and change of direction

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These types of plays were routine for Curry before the MCL injury

The time table for return of an MCL sprain is 2 to 4 weeks.

(Keep in mind that healing timetable is for every day activity, nothing more strenuous than walking up one flight of stairs, NOT playing professional basketball)

Stephen Curry returned from the injury after only 2 weeks because the Warriors were struggling against Portland without him.

Stephen Curry re-aggravated his knee injury by coming back too early and then playing 40+ minutes of playoff basketball plus overtime in his record setting performance against Portland.


Therefore we can conclude that Curry's MCL injury was the differentiating factor which lowered Curry's production[/QUOTE]

[Dray n Klay]

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[riseagainst]

I'd pick the 57 win team because injuries and suspensions can happen.

[Bankaii]

I'd pick the 57 win team because injuries and suspensions can happen.
You idiots act like Draymond didn't get himself suspended and the Cavs didn't suffer from injuries too.

[GrapeApe]

What if one or more of the non all-stars outplay the all-stars? For example, in last year's finals Irving outplayed Curry. Kyrie was the 2nd best player in the series. Tristan Thompson (10/10 on 64%) was arguably a top 5 player in the series as well.

On paper of course I'd pick the 73 win team with 3 all-stars, but the game isn't played on paper.

[LilEddyCurry]

Just wait till Curry has the long awaited MCL surgery. Golden State in 3.

[Prometheus]

What if one or more of the non all-stars outplay the all-stars? For example, in last year's finals Irving outplayed Curry. Kyrie was the 2nd best player in the series. Tristan Thompson (10/10 on 64%) was arguably a top 5 player in the series as well.

On paper of course I'd pick the 73 win team with 3 all-stars, but the game isn't played on paper.

I agree, but if the game were played on paper it would be interesting to study how it would affect the players' mechanics

[LAZERUSS]

You idiots act like Draymond didn't get himself suspended and the Cavs didn't suffer from injuries too.

This is do blatantly false.

The reality was... the Warriors and Cavs were HEALTHY in the first four games if the Finals. And those that claim that the slump-ridden Love wasn't 100% can't use that as an argument, either...since their only win in that span came withOUT him. Add in the fact that the Warriors DOMINATED a HEALTHY Cavs team in their two regular season H2H's, and it was 5-1 Golden State, with three blowout wins before the game five suspension of Green, and the injuries which eliminated Bogut, and left the Lebron-stopper Iguadala a shell.

Furthermore, while the Cavs had a cakewalk beating up on the pansies in the POS Eastern Conference, the Warriors were outplayed by the Thunder in a seven game WCF's.

When the two teams were healthy, it was no contest. The Warriors were CLEARLY the better team.

[Dray n Klay]

3" WiltCHOKE would've benched himself and whined to his coach if he played in this series. He would then ask to be subbed back in and choke away the series.



Just like he did in the '69 Finals

[LAZERUSS]

3" WiltCHOKE would've benched himself and whined to his coach if he played in this series. He would then ask to be subbed back in and choke away the series.



Just like he did in the '69 Finals

Except that scenario NEVER happened.

Here is what actually happened.

Wilt and the Lakers cut a 17 pointn deficit at the 10 minute mark, down to a 7 point margin at the six minute mark...a 10 point turnaround...when he landed awkwardly on his leg. The same leg that he would blowout the very next season BTW. He came out for a brief time, and the asked to go back in.

His incompetent coach put his own hatred of Wilt over winning that game seven, and instead stuck with Mel Counts. The same Counts who finished the game 4-13 from the floor. And all Chamberlain could do in his 43 minutes was hang an 18-27-10 triple double, which included a game high .656 TS%...all while holding Russell to a 6-21 game on a .342 TS%.

This wasn't a typical LeShrinkage game...you know...where he would shoot 0-4 in the last four minutes of his biggest Finals games. Or single-handedly "leading" his teams down the toilet in the '07 and '11 Finals (as well as putting up ZERO IMPACT Finals in '14 and '15.)

[knicksman]

No matter how much you try, only a coward respects a coward like lebron

[Bankaii]

This is do blatantly false.

The reality was... the Warriors and Cavs were HEALTHY in the first four games if the Finals. And those that claim that the slump-ridden Love wasn't 100% can't use that as an argument, either...since their only win in that span came withOUT him.
100% irrelevant. Just during the playoffs you morons were calling him a superstar. Now because it doesn't fit you agenda anymore you act like he's a role player. The Cavs were NOT healthy as Love missed a game and a half and Mozgov was nowhere near 2015 healthy Mozgov.


Add in the fact that the Warriors DOMINATED a HEALTHY Cavs team in their two regular season H2H's, and it was 5-1 Golden State, with three blowout wins before the game five suspension of Green, and the injuries which eliminated Bogut, and left the Lebron-stopper Iguadala a shell.
Again, 100% irrelevant. The Hawks were 4-0 against the Cavs in the regular season in either 2015 or 2016 and still got swept in the playoffs. RS means nothing, but you're a Wilt but hugger so the RS means more to you than the post season.

And it's hilarious how Bogut went from being called a role player to all of sudden Tim Duncan on defense. Dude didn't even play in the 4th quarters and average 12MPG ffs.
And the Iggy injury exaggeration is just pathetic.


Furthermore, while the Cavs had a cakewalk beating up on the pansies in the POS Eastern Conference, the Warriors were outplayed by the Thunder in a seven game WCF's.
The Pistons/Hawks had a better combined record than the Rockets/Blazers. So thru the 1st 2 rounds the East was better. The West was so bad that their best players sat out most of the playoffs and they still were rolling through.
If Lebron had to sit the Cavs would've gotten bounced before the ECF.


When the two teams were healthy, it was no contest. The Warriors were CLEARLY the better team.
The Warriors were the better TEAM. But when you factor in things like Curry/Klay choking, Kyrie going off, and Lebron having a GOAT level series, the better team can lose, as we saw.

Go suck a dick dude. Your unwarranted Lebron hating because he surpassed your idiot is just pathetic. Especially considering you're in your 50s+.

[antonAC]

I choose the one without Varejo.

[Bigsmoke]

100% irrelevant. Just during the playoffs you morons were calling him a superstar. Now because it doesn't fit you agenda anymore you act like he's a role player. The Cavs were NOT healthy as Love missed a game and a half and Mozgov was nowhere near 2015 healthy Mozgov.


Again, 100% irrelevant. The Hawks were 4-0 against the Cavs in the regular season in either 2015 or 2016 and still got swept in the playoffs. RS means nothing, but you're a Wilt but hugger so the RS means more to you than the post season.

And it's hilarious how Bogut went from being called a role player to all of sudden Tim Duncan on defense. Dude didn't even play in the 4th quarters and average 12MPG ffs.
And the Iggy injury exaggeration is just pathetic.


The Pistons/Hawks had a better combined record than the Rockets/Blazers. So thru the 1st 2 rounds the East was better. The West was so bad that their best players sat out most of the playoffs and they still were rolling through.
If Lebron had to sit the Cavs would've gotten bounced before the ECF.


The Warriors were the better TEAM. But when you factor in things like Curry/Klay choking, Kyrie going off, and Lebron having a GOAT level series, the better team can lose, as we saw.

Go suck a dick dude. Your unwarranted Lebron hating because he surpassed your idiot is just pathetic. Especially considering you're in your 50s+.


I think its funny that everybody who thought the Cavs championship wasn't well earned are the ones who don't give a rats ass about kyrie and love being hurt the prior year

[BigKAT]

Cleveland Won.
It was a great G7.
The odds were stacked against them.
Lebron is as good as advertised.

Is this thread really necessery though..? :coleman:
Seems like beating around a dead bush at this point.

[dunksby]

I was overjoyed when Green got suspended, after all the shit he had pulled, it only took the NBA as long as a stunt on LeBron to warrant a punishment.

[ArbitraryWater]

Cleveland Won.
It was a great G7.
The odds were stacked against them.
Lebron is as good as advertised.

Is this thread really necessery though..? :coleman:
Seems like beating around a dead bush at this point.

beating around a dead bush?


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[Doranku]

beating around a dead bush?


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lmao