[serious] Was Kobe ever a top 3 player in the league?

[scuzzy]

97 - Nope

98 - Nope

99 - Nope

00 - Shaq, KG, Zo

01 - AI, Duncan, Shaq

02 - Duncan, Kidd, Shaq

03 - Duncan, KG, Tmac

04 - KG, Duncan, Shaq

05 - Nash, Shaq, Dirk

06 - Nash, Lebron, Dirk

07 - Dirk, Lebron, Duncan

08 - CP3, Lebron, KG

09 - Lebron, Dwight, Wade

10 - Lebron, KD, Dwight

11 - Lebron, KD, Rose

12 - Lebron, KD, CP3

13 - Nope

14 - Nope

15 - Nope




Last year I said Kobe being 12th was generous, which it was. Now i'm honestly starting to think Bryant doesn't even crack top 20.


- The Playboy

[Smoke117]

LOL at Dwight better than CP3 in 09 and Dwight and Rose better than Wade in 10 and 11.

[Dray n Klay]

No

[JT123]

HUGE 12be stan here, but honestly.....no. :(

[Bankaii]

LOL at Dwight better than CP3 in 09 and Dwight and Rose better than Wade in 10 and 11.
Rose no, but Dwight definitely has a strong argument over Wade for 2009 and 2011.

OP, Kidd and Nash were never even close to being better than Kobe. 2008 KG and 2010 KD are jokes too.

He was undoubtedly top 3 in 06, 07, 08, 10. And to most objective fans although it's debatable he's top 3 in 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2009.

[Young X]

2008 KG and 2010 KD are jokes too.Explain this to me please.

[Sportal]

He was undoubtedly top 3 in 06, 07, 08, 10. And to most objective fans although it's debatable he's top 3 in 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2009.

I thought he was up there in 2009 tbh.

[Smoke117]

Rose no, but Dwight definitely has a strong argument over Wade for 2009 and 2011.

OP, Kidd and Nash were never even close to being better than Kobe. 2008 KG and 2010 KD are jokes too.

He was undoubtedly top 3 in 06, 07, 08, 10. And to most objective fans although it's debatable he's top 3 in 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2009.

:biggums: :facepalm

[egokiller]

Rose no, but Dwight definitely has a strong argument over Wade for 2009

No


OP, Kidd and Nash were never even close to being better than Kobe. 2008 KG and 2010 KD are jokes too.

He was undoubtedly top 3 in 06, 07, 08, 10. And to most objective fans although it's debatable he's top 3 in 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2009.

Yes

[SAKOTXA]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: you're a clown. Obvious troll thread is obvious.

[Bankaii]

Explain this to me please.
You really think 2008 KG>2008 Kobe?

:biggums: :facepalm
If you really think there's no argument there, you're an idiot.

[Smoke117]

You really think 2008 KG>2008 Kobe?

If you really think there's no argument there, you're an idiot.

In 09? There is no argument.

[Young X]

You really think 2008 KG>2008 Kobe?For you to say it's a joke doesn't even make sense after all KG and the Celtics did that season.

[Kblaze8855]

There is about an 8-9 year stretch there where if you asked the players you listed...they would have all told you Kobe was top 3 themselves.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe was top 3 or would have a very strong argument in '01, '03, & '06-'10

[Bankaii]

In 09? There is no argument.
There's no argument for a guy that led an average supporting cast to the Finals while having a historic defensive season?
Meanwhile Wade didn't even make it out of the 1st round. And yes I understand he had a bad supporting cast. But to say there is no argument is just being a Stan or severely under rating Dwight, which is common.

For you to say it's a joke doesn't even make sense after all KG and the Celtics did that season.
Maybe saying it was a joke was too far, but Kobe was the BITW in 08, KG wasn't even top 3 imo.

[Young X]

Maybe saying it was a joke was too far, but Kobe was the BITW in 08, KG wasn't even top 3 imo.You're underrating KG, how was he not top 3 season? Come on man.

[Prime_Shaq]

Rose no, but Dwight definitely has a strong argument over Wade for 2009
:wtf:

[Smoke117]

There's no argument for a guy that led an average supporting cast to the Finals while having a historic defensive season?
Meanwhile Wade didn't even make it out of the 1st round. And yes I understand he had a bad supporting cast. But to say there is no argument is just being a Stan or severely under rating Dwight, which is common.


LOL...I'm one of those people who has constantly been defending him and saying how dominant he was before his back surgery...but to say there is any argument that he could have been as good or better than Wade in 09 is just completely ridiculous. Wade in 09 is the greatest peak from a SG not named Michael Jordan.

[SpaceJam]

Just a hint, when OP has to put [Serious] in the topic, you already know it's a troll thread

[Dray n Klay]

Just a hint, when OP has to put [Serious] in the topic, you already know it's a troll thread

meltdown

[Bankaii]

You're underrating KG, how was he not top 3 season? Come on man.
Kobe, CP3, Lebron. Which one was he better than?


LOL...I'm one of those people who has constantly been defending him and saying how dominant he was before his back surgery...but to say there is any argument that he could have been as good or better than Wade in 09 is just completely ridiculous. Wade in 09 is the greatest peak from a SG not named Michael Jordan.
Agree 100%.
But Dwight's defensive impact that season blows just about everyone else out.
Wade as an individual was ATG level, but his impact on games wasn't as great imo. He couldn't even get past the freaking Hawks in the 1st round.

[knicksman]

Op on meltdown after i called him a loser? Hmmm

[Dray n Klay]

in the end, knicksman is a liberal arts major aka loser

[knicksman]

in the end, knicksman is a liberal arts major aka loser


No need to act tough dubeta. The moment you become a bran stan is the moment you become a fakkit in my eyes

[Young X]

Kobe, CP3, Lebron. Which one was he better than?How was CP3 better when the Hornets lost in the 2nd round. Isn't that the whole criticism of him as a player? I don't get how you guys rank players at all.

KG was the best defender in the league (won DPOY) and still a very good offensive player. He was the best player and anchor of a 66 win team that won a championship. He also outplayed and beat Kobe + Lebron and their teams in the playoffs.

[Smoke117]

How was CP3 better when the Hornets lost in the 2nd round. Isn't that the whole criticism of him as a player? I don't get how you guys rank players at all.

KG was the best defender in the league (won DPOY) and still a good offensive player. He was the best player and anchor of a 66 win team that won a championship. He also outplayed and beat Kobe + Lebron and their teams in the playoffs.

I'd say Paul, Lebron, and Garnett were the 3 best players in the league in 08.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I love how Kobe fans and Lakers fans don't even waste their time on these dumbass threads :oldlol:


Keep chirping, birds.

[Bankaii]

How was CP3 better when the Hornets lost in the 2nd round. Isn't that the whole criticism of him as a player? I don't get how you guys rank players at all.

KG was the best defender in the league (won DPOY) and still a very good offensive player. He was the best player and anchor of a 66 win team that won a championship. He also outplayed and beat Kobe + Lebron and their teams in the playoffs.
You're comparing Rondo/Pierce/Ray to David West/Chandler/Peja?:oldlol:
CP3 could've led that Celtics team to a ring too.
CP3 was runner up for MVP and was still a defensive beast.

List your top 5 in order for 2008.

[Smoke117]

You're comparing Rondo/Pierce/Ray to David West/Chandler/Peja?:oldlol:
CP3 could've led that Celtics team to a ring too.
CP3 was runner up for MVP and was still a defensive beast.

List your top 5 in order for 2008.

Chris Paul WAS the MVP of the league in 08...the stupid ass media dimwits just gave it to someone else.

[Bankaii]

Chris Paul WAS the MVP of the league in 08...the stupid ass media dimwits just gave it to someone else.
No doubt.
CP3 did basically the same thing working with way less talent. But with Kobe being... Kobe and playing in LA there was a bit of bias.

[Young X]

You're comparing Rondo/Pierce/Ray to David West/Chandler/Peja?:oldlol:
CP3 could've led that Celtics team to a ring too.
CP3 was runner up for MVP and was still a defensive beast.

List your top 5 in order for 2008.Not comparing their teams. But what was so different about CP3 that year for you to rank him over someone like KG?

And my list would go like...KG or Kobe then Bron and CP, then Dirk. Something like that. KG has an argument to be the best that year.

[Smoke117]

Not comparing their teams. But what was so different about CP3 that year for you to rank him over someone like KG?

And my list would go like...KG or Kobe then Bron and CP, then Dirk. Something like that. KG has an argument to be the best that year.

Eh...now I think you're going a bit far. Offensively, he didn't carry close to the burdens of Paul and Lebron.

[tpols]

Kobe godfathered the league from '06 to '10. Was considered top three '01 to '03 by any knowledgeable source as well. So the answer to your question OP, is yes.. yes, he was many a time.

[Young X]

Eh...now I think you're going a bit far. Offensively, he didn't carry close to the burdens of Paul and Lebron.Defensively, none of those guys were even close to his impact.

The problem with this forum and most basketball fans is they don't understand how important defense is. That's what wins championships. That's how the Celtics won, by being one of the greatest defensive teams of all-time. And who anchored them? Kevin Garnett.

[Smoke117]

Defensively, none of those guys were even close to his impact.

The problem with this forum and most basketball fans is they don't understand how important defense is. That's what wins championships. That's how the Celtics won, by being one of the greatest defensive teams of all-time. And who anchored them? Kevin Garnett.

While Kg was the anchor...it was the fact that everyone bought in that made them a great defensive team. His individual defense wasn't dominant enough to put him over Lebron and Paul for me.

[Young X]

While Kg was the anchor...it was the fact that everyone bought in that made them a great defensive team. His individual defense wasn't dominant enough to put him over Lebron and Paul for me.He's one of the greatest defenders in league history and that was probably his best season on defense but okay...

And I know you don't like Kobe but you should definitely mention him with those guys come on now.

[Bankaii]

Not comparing their teams. But what was so different about CP3 that year for you to rank him over someone like KG?

And my list would go like...KG or Kobe then Bron and CP, then Dirk. Something like that. KG has an argument to be the best that year.
But your reasoning was that KG won a ring that year while CP3 got bounced early. That's not really fair considering their supporting casts.

And while KG was clearly the best defender of the bunch, his individual defense wasn't enough to overcome the gap in offensive impact CP3/Bron had. Especially since the Celtics were a great defensive team altogether, not just him.

Of the 4 I'd say Kobe, Lebron, CP3, KG.
I think the Celtics being so stacked and having great chemistry helped KG look a little better than he really was individually.

[bobopenguin]

this thread need to sticky, so we can all look at lebron stans and laugh at their stupidity.

:oldlol:

[Smoke117]

He's one of the greatest defenders in league history and that was probably his best season on defense but okay...

And I know you don't like Kobe but you should definitely mention him with those guys come on now.

No it wasn't...it was just the most shown and documented because it was on the Celtics and on a 60+ win team. :oldlol: While he was still a great defensive player...his best years in that regard were in the mid 2000s.

[Young X]

But your reasoning was that KG won a ring that year while CP3 got bounced early. That's not really fair considering their supporting casts.It was two different arguments but I made it look connected, my bad.


No it wasn't...it was just the most shown and documented because it was on the Celtics and on a 60+ win team. :oldlol: While he was still a great defensive player...his best years in that regard were in the mid 2000s.I disagree, he had to carry a bigger load on offense those years. Either way...who was defending better than him in 2008? Nobody.

And he was still a pretty good offensive player too. He could've easily averaged his usual 22-23 a game and 4-5 dimes on a less talented team.

That, his impact on the Celtics, plus also outplaying and beating Kobe and Lebron and their teams in the playoffs gives him a decent argument.