Is Kyrie even a Top 10 PG at the moment?

[TrueBlue89]

Westbrook, Harden, Dame, Steph, Kemba, Wall, Conley, IT, Hill, Conley

Which of these players has he been better than so far this season? Not saying all of those players are better than Kyrie but I expected a much better season after all the MVP shouts from the media, fans & teammates.

[SpaceJam]

Westbrook, Harden, Dame, Steph, Kemba, Wall, Conley, IT, Hill, Conley

Which of these players has he been better than so far this season? Not saying all of those players are better than Kyrie but I expected a much better season after all the MVP shouts from the media, fans & teammates.

He's better than Conley, and probably Conley too

[francesco totti]

He is better then Kemba, Wall, Conley, IT, Hill and Conley.

He is top 5 with Westbrook, Harden, Dame and Steph.

[Kaspah]

Kyrie is clutch as hell and great at every point guard skill there is. He's top 3 with Westbrook and Curry. They're all balls deep right now and hard to say one is better than the other. They're top 3 and all other point guards not even close.

[Prime_Shaq]

Stupid thread wtf

[CuhGetsBucks]

Stupid thread wtf
But you already know it's gonna have over 30 comments :lol

[CTbasketball92]

It's only been 10 games, but it looks like Kyrie is the same player he's always been, while other PG's are clearly playing out of their mind. Kyrie hasn't really even had a "great game" this year, just several really good ones. I was always really skeptical about him averaging anything above 25 ppg without the ability to get to the line.

I do think he'll ramp his effiency back up to where it was in 2014-2015 and he'll score a bit mroe than he does now. He'll show out as the season goes on, but if he plays at his current level, there's no way he's making an All NBA Team.

[D-Wait]

Because 24 PPG on 45%, 40% 3P and 4 assists while being clutch af is so bad, right? :lol

Yeah, he isn't the assist guy Paul is, but so aren't Curry and Dame...

[Bigsmoke]

he is #4

curry
westbrook
cp3
kyrie


:biggums: @ thinking Kemba is better. you just started watching basketball this season?

[Bigsmoke]

It's only been 10 games, but it looks like Kyrie is the same player he's always been, while other PG's are clearly playing out of their mind. Kyrie hasn't really even had a "great game" this year, just several really good ones. I was always really skeptical about him averaging anything above 25 ppg without the ability to get to the line.

I do think he'll ramp his effiency back up to where it was in 2014-2015 and he'll score a bit mroe than he does now. He'll show out as the season goes on, but if he plays at his current level, there's no way he's making an All NBA Team.

there are 3 players on his roster averaging over 20ppg. u expected 30ppg?

he is clearly better this year than he was last year

[ImKobe]

He's been very consistent so far and he's the leading scorer of the team with the #1 record in the league

I'll take him over anyone but Curry and Westbrook right now, come Playoff time he's the best PG in the league.

[D-Wait]

Not saying all of those players are better than Kyrie but I expected a much better season after all the MVP shouts from the media, fans & teammates.

I don't think Kyrie's teammates mentioned him as an MVP candidate this season... Iirc, Lebron said Kyrie could be an MVP in the future... to think Kyrie would have had a chance for MVP this year is not realistic... Once James is getting older and older, there might be chance... But Lebron will still be the most impactful player on the team (playmaking), whether Kyrie scores 20 or 30 PPG...
He would have to average some crazy numbers like in the Finals to even have a chance at MVP, which isn't gonna happen with this balanced Cavs roster...

[Bankaii]

Such a stupid thread. Some of the people you listed aren't even close.
And I'm still not calling Harden a PG.
1) Curry
2) Westbrook
3) CP3
4) Lillard
5) Kyrie/Wall

He's top 5, top 6 at absolute worst.

[CTbasketball92]

there are 3 players on his roster averaging over 20ppg. u expected 30ppg?

he is clearly better this year than he was last year

Lol, I didn't expect Love to average 20+, I'll tell you that. The Cavs have the only "Big Three" in recent memory with 3 players averaging over 20 a game. Still, expect a bit more from Kyrie than 24 points on 20 shots. 26 at least, though it seems like an arbitrary number.

[D-Wait]

Lol, I didn't expect Love to average 20+, I'll tell you that. The Cavs have the only "Big Three" in recent memory with 3 players averaging over 20 a game. Still, expect a bit more from Kyrie than 24 points on 20 shots. 26 at least, though it seems like an arbitrary number.

This is not gonna happen when guys like Frye are playing out of their minds and hit pretty much every shot... in these cases, Lebron obviously isn't solely searching for Kyrie in the 4th quarter

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

Kyrie Irving is one of the top 5 point guards in the nba.
Kyrie Irving is not one of the top 5 playmaking points guards in the nba

[Prime_Shaq]

We also gonna let OP name Kemba, Wall, Conley, Hill and IT before Lowry?

[Bankaii]

We also gonna let OP name Kemba, Wall, Conley, Hill and IT before Lowry?
There's nothing wrong with putting Wall over Lowry.
If John had a better team he'd be consensus top 5.
Everyone else you said I agree with though.

[PP34Deuce]

Kyrie is one of the weirdest cases...

I still believe Westbrook, Chris Paul, Curry are better than him...

But in the playoffs and if you need a guy to consistently score 3-4 posessions in a close game, I'd take him over even Curry.

[Dray n Klay]

As a long time Kyrie fan, I have to say no :(

[Smoke117]

Kyrie is clutch as hell and great at every point guard skill there is. He's top 3 with Westbrook and Curry. They're all balls deep right now and hard to say one is better than the other. They're top 3 and all other point guards not even close.

Excuse me? And LOL at Kyrie being top 3 over CP3...great joke.

[moongaze]

As a long time Kyrie fan,


:coleman:

[Smoke117]

We also gonna let OP name Kemba, Wall, Conley, Hill and IT before Lowry?

He didn't even name CP3 and that's what you're worried about?

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

Kyrie Irving is not a complete true point guard.
but his shooting, handles and clutch ability puts him up with the very best offensive talents in the nba

[BigKAT]

You're going to mention Hill, but not Lowry, Chris Paul or Ricky Rubio?

To your question,


Yes.

[Wally450]

Yes, top 10. Just outside the top 5 if were actually counting Harden as a PG.

[tpols]

Kyrie is one of the weirdest cases...

I still believe Westbrook, Chris Paul, Curry are better than him...

But in the playoffs and if you need a guy to consistently score 3-4 posessions in a close game, I'd take him over even Curry.


this..


kyrie's in the flow regular season impact is mediocre tbh.. his on command offense in the playoffs however is tops for not only point guards, but every position.. hes the best takeover player in the game because mid and long range game are both A+.

[K.dot ShowTime]

this season Westbrook, Curry, Lillard, Kemba and CP3 are clearly better than him.

[NuggetsFan]

Top 10 for sure but probably past 5-6 as of right now. Usual suspects still ahead. PG is insanely deep and when a guy like Harden starts the season as a legitimate PG for his team than things get even deeper. Charlotte is 7-3 and Kemba is averaging like 26/5 on a great efficiency. Nobody else on the roster is averaging above 14 points unlike Kyrie who's playing with LeBron/Love etc. Kemba has had a better 10 games, but by the end of the season I think Irving leap frogs guys like that.

Someone like Conley is arguable right now. Far better rounded and is scoring 19 a game on 43% from deep. That won't continue. Irving is a better player. Season is just really young. Westbrook, CP3, Curry, and Harden if he stays at PG all season are the only guys who I think finish better than Irving. Lillard has a great chance too, Wall is a toss up but Irving probably has a better season because Washington's a mess.

[bdreason]

Such a stupid thread. Some of the people you listed aren't even close.
And I'm still not calling Harden a PG.
1) Curry
2) Westbrook
3) CP3
4) Lillard
5) Kyrie/Wall

He's top 5, top 6 at absolute worst.


Probably my list as well. I would take CP3 over Westbrook though. Also, I would take Irving over Wall without much hesitation.

[warriorfan]

Reported

[sd3035]

Curry
Westbrook/Kyrie
Lillard








everyone else (Harden is near the top if he's counted)

[CuhGetsBucks]

But you already know it's gonna have over 30 comments :lol
ISH ceases to amaze me :cheers:

[Pointguard]

1. You can't ask anything more from Harden. I have him in a class by himself this year. Is just way more creative for his teammates than anybody else and is carrying his team. His scoring is crazy too.

2. CP3, hard to ask for anything more of him and they are winning.

3. Damian Lillard another PG that is carrying his team and keeping them winning.

4. Westbrook does everything and beyond.

5. Curry because he's disruptive and still gets the team clicking. Is more of shooting guard than those above him.

6. Kemba is another guy carrying his team with them overachieving and winning.

7. Kyrie is a victim of Lebron taking over games and even the pg position. If it were the playoffs Kyrie's no less than top three for me. But for this early season evaluation I can't put him over these guys because of their bigger responsibilities and being more valuable to their team's success.

8. Lowery suffers from some of the Kyrie reality.

9. Giannis should also rank high.

10. The Con-man

[Pointguard]

Not so sure any of these other 10 quys would be 2-14 on a championship team without Lebron. Not downplaying the best player at all but it shouldn't be that huge of a discrepancy. No way can he higher than Lowery who has a very large share of carrying a very good team for a couple of years. Kyrie is on the fringe of making the top ten.

[Dro]

Did this nikka say George Hill?:roll: :roll: :roll:
:lol

[plowking]

Yep, George Hill and Kemba are better players than Kyrie. Yep.




Yep.

[pedromarinho]

When it maters, i would take Kyrie over ANYONE! Maybe Curry or CP3 would make me think twice... but only those.

[34-24 Footwork]

"Best PG" title is absolute for someone whose playing like a top 5 player in the league. Kyrie shares the majority of his possessions with Lebron, which history tells us the impact that has on a PG's assist numbers.

Kyrie is probably the scariest person with the basketball RIGHT now outside of KD, Russ.

[Smoke117]

"Best PG" title is absolute for someone whose playing like a top 5 player in the league. Kyrie shares the majority of his possessions with Lebron, which history tells us the impact that has on a PG's assist numbers.

Kyrie is probably the scariest person with the basketball RIGHT now outside of KD, Russ.

Kyrie is not even close to playing like a 5 player in the league...what nonsense. I guess it's not surprising someone with a Kyrie avatar believes that, though. He's probably not even a top 5 pg in the league right now...

[34-24 Footwork]

Kyrie is not even close to playing like a 5 player in the league...what nonsense. I guess it's not surprising someone with a Kyrie avatar believes that, though.

Watch games, sometimes. Not the stabox. That's my best advice to you. Kyrie is sacrificing a LOT of numbers by playing alongside two of the top 10 players in his conference...and at a position where he's expected to "facilitate".

[Lebron23]

Watch games, sometimes. Not the stabox. That's my best advice to you. Kyrie is sacrificing a LOT of numbers by playing alongside two of the top 10 players in his conference...and at a position where he's expected to "facilitate".

Kobe

[Smoke117]

Watch games, sometimes. Not the stabox. That's my best advice to you. Kyrie is sacrificing a LOT of numbers by playing alongside two of the top 10 players in his conference...and at a position where he's expected to "facilitate".

Maybe you should learn something about this sport you are watching? Kyrie is in the perfect situation for him...he's a mediocre playmaker, mediocre defensive player, and just a plain mediocre all around player in general. The one thing he is great at is all he's asked to do...score. If he was playing with lesser players he may very well be putting up better stats, but that team likely would not be winning, so nobody would care anyway. Either way, nobody but a Kyrie stan would say he looks like a top 5 player in the league at this point in the season when he isn't even a top 5 pg right now.

[Lebron23]

Maybe you should learn something about this sport you are watching? Kyrie is in the perfect situation for him...he's a mediocre playmaker, mediocre defensive player, and just plain mediocre all around player. The one thing he is great at is all he's asked to do...score. If he was playing with lesser players he may very well be putting up better stats, but that team likely would not be winning, so nobody would care anyway.


He cannot even hide his own agenda. Dude is still salty that LeBron surpassed Kobe.

I believe Irving is a top 6-8 point guards in this league. He'll probably put up Isaiah Thomas statsline if he's the sole number one option of his team, but barely a playoffs team.

[Pointguard]

Watch games, sometimes. Not the stabox. That's my best advice to you. Kyrie is sacrificing a LOT of numbers by playing alongside two of the top 10 players in his conference...and at a position where he's expected to "facilitate".
Not when you are 2-14 without Lebron on one of the top two teams in the league. That's hideous.

[aj1987]

"Best PG" title is absolute for someone whose playing like a top 5 player in the league. Kyrie shares the majority of his possessions with Lebron, which history tells us the impact that has on a PG's assist numbers.

Kyrie is probably the scariest person with the basketball RIGHT now outside of KD, Russ.
Top 5 player? :roll: :roll: :roll:

LeBron
Curry
KD
Harden
WB
AD
CP3
BG
Kawhi
Derozan
Kemba (at least for now)
Butler
Lillard

All those dudes (and I might be forgetting a few) are playing better than Kyrie and it's not even up for debate. I know that you're a bit special, so even if we look at the cr

[Smoke117]

He cannot even hide his own agenda. Dude is still salty that LeBron surpassed Kobe.

I believe Irving is a top 6-8 point guards in this league. He'll probably put up Isaiah Thomas statsline if he's the sole number one option of his team, but barely a playoffs team.

Eh...he'd be putting up Damian Lillard numbers, but nobody here is calling Dame a top 5 player in the league, so I'm not sure where he would get this nonsense that Kyrie is. You replace Dame with Kyrie on the Blazers and they don't get any better. If you replaced Dame with an actual top 5 in the league like Lebron, Durant, Curry, Harden, or CP3, though? They clearly get better.

[Lebron23]

Even Isaiah Thomas is beasting this season 27/6/2 while leading the Celtics to 6-5.

[pedromarinho]

You wanna score? Give it to Kyrie... simple... He is on KD level as for scoring if he wants to.

****ing remember that he is playing in the same team of an ALL TIME TOP 3 of the game!

Of course your impact will be minimized.

If he was on a Westbrook type of mission he would be ****ing scary!

Remember those games back in the dayz where he put 50 points like it was fkin nuthin. Nuts.

You guys obviously don't know Kyrie.

[Rocketswin2013]

1. Harden
2. CP3
3. Curry
4. WB
5. Lillard
6. Kyrie

?????



Insane competition this year. But I'd say that's how it's been so far.

[aj1987]

1. Harden
2. CP3
3. Curry
4. WB
5. Lillard
6. Kyrie

?????

Insane competition this year. But I'd say that's how it's been so far.
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

Kyrie over LeBron, AD, KD, Kawhi, and Derozan? You order is stupid AF, BTW.

[Pointguard]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

Kyrie over LeBron, AD, KD, Kawhi, and Derozan? You order is stupid AF, BTW.
AJ, its only PG's. But I :lol just the same.

[noob cake]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

Kyrie over LeBron, AD, KD, Kawhi, and Derozan? You order is stupid AF, BTW.

LeBron is not a POINT GUARD. AD is not a POINT GUARD. KD is not a POINT GUARD. Kawhi is not a POINT GUARD. DeRozan is not a POINT GUARD.

[aj1987]

AJ, its only PG's. But I :lol just the same.
Shit. My bad. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Harden threw me off. :oldlol:

[34-24 Footwork]

After locking down the reigning 2 time MVP and scoring on him at will...

He's only "mediocre" on defense.

Rofl.

Listen to yourselves.

[Bankaii]

"Best PG" title is absolute for someone whose playing like a top 5 player in the league. Kyrie shares the majority of his possessions with Lebron, which history tells us the impact that has on a PG's assist numbers.

Kyrie is probably the scariest person with the basketball RIGHT now outside of KD, Russ.
Top 5 dumbest poster on the forum.

[34-24 Footwork]

You wanna score? Give it to Kyrie... simple... He is on KD level as for scoring if he wants to.

****ing remember that he is playing in the same team of an ALL TIME TOP 3 of the game!

Of course your impact will be minimized.

If he was on a Westbrook type of mission he would be ****ing scary!

Remember those games back in the dayz where he put 50 points like it was fkin nuthin. Nuts.

You guys obviously don't know Kyrie.

You'd think the day after he dropped a smooth 57 on Kawhi Leonard they'd learn something But deep down inside, it's about Lebron. They KNOW Kyrie Irving is one of the most lethal people with the basketball in the league, but they think it somehow diminishes Lebron.

It's really simple:

No Kyrie = no championship.

[aj1987]

You'd think the day after he dropped a smooth 57 on Kawhi Leonard they'd learn something But deep down inside, it's about Lebron. They KNOW Kyrie Irving is one of the most lethal people with the basketball in the league, but they think it somehow diminishes Lebron.

It's really simple:

No Kyrie = no championship.
No Shaq/Pau = No Finals for your idol. :confusedshrug:

[Smoke117]

After locking down the reigning 2 time MVP and scoring on him at will...

He's only "mediocre" on defense.

Rofl.

Listen to yourselves.

Kyrie Irving is clearly the worst defensive player in their starting line up...possibly the worst who plays significant minutes on the team...hell...even saying mediocre might actually be giving him too much credit. I guess because he played defense in a couple of games...that makes up for the rest of the shittiness? The fact that Curry was clearly not himself also had nothing to do with it either I guess?

[34-24 Footwork]

No Shaq/Pau = No Finals for your idol. :confusedshrug:

Look at you. Emotional.

[34-24 Footwork]

Kyrie Irving is clearly the worst defensive player in their starting line up...possibly the worst who plays significant minutes on the team...hell...even saying mediocre might actually be giving him too much credit. I guess because he played defense in a couple of games...that makes up for the rest of the shittiness? The fact that Curry was clearly not himself also had nothing to do with it either I guess?

Lmao. Aiit man. Watch some basketball before you respond to anything NOT having to do with box scores and etc.

Yall need to take your emotions out of basketball. It's not a good look

[Smoke117]

Lmao. Aiit man. Watch some basketball before you respond to anything NOT having to do with box scores and etc.

Yall need to take your emotions out of basketball. It's not a good look

You ever hear the saying, "You run into an asshole in the morning...you ran into an asshole. You run into assholes all day...you're the asshole." Replace asshole with idiot and that would be you in this thread. ;)

[Bigsmoke]

Is Harden really a PG?:coleman:

If that's the case then

curry
Westbrook
Harden
cP3
kyrie

[aj1987]

Look at you. Emotional.
I'm not the one who has been on a perpetual meltdown since June 19th 2016.