Does James Harden prove Steve Nash is overrated?

[Smoke117]

Another W, another huge night. (26 points 14 assists 12 rebs, 3rd triple-double of the season) Could the Suns actually have won it all with James Harden instead of Steve Nash? Discuss.

[Wally450]

Steve Nash was an All Star with the Mavericks though.

[Smoke117]

Steve Nash was an All Star with the Mavericks though.

Yes, but he wasn't close to an all nba player and MVP candidate on the Mavs.

[Lebron23]

Steve Nash was an All Star with the Mavericks though.


This

Nash is getting underrated in this forum. He led his team in the conference Finals. And 2007 Suns could have been an NBA Champion if Amare and Diaw didn't get suspended.

[CuterThanRubio]

Yes, but he wasn't close to an all nba player and MVP candidate on the Mavs.

People shouldn't make threads based on false narratives and misinformation

Nash was 3rd team all-NBA in 2002 and 2003, as well as an all-star. (WCF appearance in 03)

Harden is a great player, and like Nash he is flourishing in D'Antoni's system, I don't see how that is a knock on Steve?

[Proctor]

Except Steve Nash was a very good playoff performer, a big shot maker, and Harden is neither one of those things historically in the playoffs. And he didn't take bonehead shots or make other errors that are magnified in playoff games.

There was nothing overrated about Steve Nash. He always played the game correctly and Harden's stats don't change that.

[warriorfan]

It's already well known in the bball expert community that Steve Nash is overrated

[Smoke117]

People shouldn't make threads based on false narratives and misinformation

Nash was 3rd team all-NBA in 2002 and 2003, as well as an all-star. (WCF appearance in 03)

Harden is a great player, and like Nash he is flourishing in D'Antoni's system, I don't see how that is a knock on Steve?

...nobody cares about the 3rd team. :kobe: If you aren't on the first or second team it doesn't matter. That's an "accolade" nobody considers worth a damn.

[yeaaaman]

Except Steve Nash was a very good playoff performer, a big shot maker, and Harden is neither one of those things historically in the playoffs. And he didn't take bonehead shots or make other errors that are magnified in playoff games.

There was nothing overrated about Steve Nash. He always played the game correctly and Harden's stats don't change that.

That last part is especially true. Harden is great but they are certainly different players and there is no way that Nash is or was overrated. That guy earned everything that came his way.

Harden might be the opposite of Nash to be honest. Stats don't make them the same.

[Smoke117]

I'm also not saying Steve Nash is overrated myself...all I'm doing is asking some questions and creating a dialogue.

[Proctor]

It's already well known in the bball expert community that Steve Nash is overrated
Maybe Nash's role as a player development consultant for the Warriors can help Curry not make idiotic plays like this:

http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/5578676c6bb3f72578f731aa/steph%20curry%20turnover%201a.gif

But what do I know, I'm just a sexy boy

[CuterThanRubio]

...nobody cares about the 3rd team. :kobe: If you aren't on the first or second team it doesn't matter. That's an "accolade" nobody considers worth a damn.


You said he wasn't "close" to all-NBA and that isn't true, you really do have a problem with FACTS, don't you?

[CuterThanRubio]

I'm also not saying Steve Nash is overrated myself...all I'm doing is asking some questions and creating a dialogue.

Lol

Nice save

[Smoke117]

You said he wasn't "close" to all-NBA and that isn't true, you really do have a problem with FACTS, don't you?

You really have a problem with being obnoxious, don't you? When I said an all nba player, I meant first or second team. I didn't clarify that and now I am...are you happy?

[selrahc]

if it wasnt for D'antoni Steve Nash wouldnt have ever even made the allstar team

[CTbasketball92]

I asked myself this question a few weeks ago.

Steve Nash was amazing in the playoffs and I feel like he was less turnover prone.

With that said, i think Harden is better for the simple fact that he can score 30 a game while also getting 12 assists and 7 rebounds. I also think Nash could've averaged about 23-24 ppg and over 10 assists as well, but his team was more well-rounded than Harden's, so he never had to.


... Westbrook's better than both IMO :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

Steve nash led his team to the WCFs and was all NBA caliber with Alvin gentry as his coach... Peak Steve nash was a more potent playoff weapon than Chris Paul.. Don't be jelly.

[yeaaaman]

if it wasnt for D'antoni Steve Nash wouldnt have ever even made the allstar team

How old are the posters on this site? Nash was an all-star with the Mavericks damn people on this site are stupid as hell.

[CuterThanRubio]

You really have a problem with being obnoxious, don't you? When I said an all nba player, I meant first or second team. I didn't clarify that and now I am...are you happy?

Sorry, I know getting proven wrong must be annoying but it isn't personal, getting the facts straight is necessary in order to begin a (ridiculous)discussion like this.

Explain how Nash sustained his success without D'Antoni?

Harden is on pace to set the record for TO's, Nash was more efficient and averaged more assists in less minutes.

I have never heard of anyone "overrating" him before, his MVP's make certain individuals burn inside and they search for ways to discredit him but I feel like he has earned his reputation, he did what he could and maximized his limited athletic skillset.

[MrFonzworth]

if it wasnt for D'antoni Steve Nash wouldnt have ever even made the allstar team

retarded

[Lebron23]

retarded


Kobetarded. Kobe's stans always go full retard.

[KiiiiNG]

Both are better than prime Kobe. Why? They mazimise the talent of their teammates and score at a similar (if not better) level. Gotta give the defensive edge to balbe... but Harden/Nash > Kobe offensively. I don't think anyones disputing that. As far as using Harden to downgrade Nash... it doesn't work because JH almost won MVP in 2015. (and should have) It's not like he's coming out of nowhere :facepalm

[Prometheus]

What does James Harden have to do with Steve Nash? They're completely different players.

[Smoke117]

What does James Harden have to do with Steve Nash? They're completely different players.

Both flourishing under the D'Antoni system... it doesn't take a nuclear engineer to figure out the correlation.

[SouBeachTalents]

Both are better than prime Kobe. Why? They mazimise the talent of their teammates and score at a similar (if not better) level. Gotta give the defensive edge to balbe... but Harden/Nash > Kobe offensively. I don't think anyones disputing that. As far as using Harden to downgrade Nash... it doesn't work because JH almost won MVP in 2015. (and should have) It's not like he's coming out of nowhere :facepalm

Nash scores at a similar level to Kobe? And how would you compare Harden in the playoffs to Kobe?

[plowking]

if it wasnt for D'antoni Steve Nash wouldnt have ever even made the allstar team

Exactly. If D'Antoni didn't start coaching Steve Nash in 2004, he would have never made the 2002 All Star game. This should be obvious to everyone.

[KiiiiNG]

Nash scores at a similar level to Kobe? And how would you compare Harden in the playoffs to Kobe?
19 point on 53% and 46% from 3? Not the volume of Kobe but every bit as good. Nash's assists/play-making abilities are obviously what separate him from the Kobe, as Nash was the best passer in the league while Kobe was nowhere near close and was mainly just a volume scorer.

[Smook A.]

Exactly. If D'Antoni didn't start coaching Steve Nash in 2004, he would have never made the 2002 All Star game. This should be obvious to everyone.
:oldlol:

[Rocketswin2013]

Nash was pretty good.

D'antoni is a high impact coach when the system is fully implemented. The small details giving Harden several options on the court at one time. Mainly because Anderson always fades to the 3P line while the other bigs always roll. Harden is so patient and his vision is so good, if anyone on the defense makes a mistake or ball watches he makes them pay instantly.

It's gotten to a point where Harden knows where guys are, literally while not even seeing them at all. Like watch his highlights of tonights game. The offense is so organized, he can get in the air with no where to go and pass it behind his head to a guy he knows is there.

He didn't quite have this ability before D'antoni. The offense is uber-organized. Everyone knows their roles perfectly in this offense. It's not a perfect offense, but it's perfect executed.

Only Gordon goes rogue at times but he's the second-best creator so it makes sense.

Nash was an all-star before and after D'antoni. When both younger and raw on a team with a lot of options, and old on a team with not so many options.

Nash deserves credit for his reputation IMO. But D'antoni isn't some loser who badly coaches one side of the ball either. Great coaches and great players can easily exist. We saw it with all the dynasties. Phoenix had tons of success. Played one side of the ball and pushed dominant two-way teams to the brink.

[ClipperRevival]

Everyone knows his system is gimmicky in that it's not optimal ball that will win you championships. All offense, high tempo with no D. It's a system for the regular season.

So in that sense, I guess Nash's numbers are a TAD inflated. But no way is he overrated. Nothing is given to you at the highest level, NOTHING. If you can't play at this level, it will cleary show. And when you consider Nash's lack of athleticism and his ability to break down defenders, pass and shoot at a GOAT level, he was special.

[Prometheus]

Both flourishing under the D'Antoni system... it doesn't take a nuclear engineer to figure out the correlation.

Nuclear engineering is a very demanding field, and it is not likely that a nuclear engineer has taken time to understand the evolution of pro basketball strategy. I think a nuclear engineer is less likely than the average person to see the correlation.

But no, i see what you mean... but i dont think it proves anything. Harden is great, so was Nash... they are both flourishing in the system... because it's a good system, and also because they are both good.

Jordan and Kobe both played in the triangle. Does Kobe prove Jordan was overrated?

[feyki]

End of the season , Harden won't be the better player than Nash was , offensively .

I wonder why most of posters have low iq in this forum , like OP . That dumb really said , 3rd all nba team doesn't mean anything to save his ass .

[ralph_i_el]

if it wasnt for D'antoni Steve Nash wouldnt have ever even made the allstar team

He made an all star team before he played for D'antoni

:facepalm

[bdreason]

I think it proves that numbers can be deceiving.

[bizil]

By nature, Harden from the SG spot is a great scorer who CAN ALSO be a great passer. When Mike moved him to the PG, it gave him the chance to run a system CATERED to make PG's look great IF they have the ability to be. Nash had that and now Harden has that. ONE THING Nash and Harden have in common is having that great blend of shooting and slashing ability. BUT Harden is a more dominant scorer AND is 6'5 225 pounds.

So NO Nash isn't overrated. He and Harden are two different players. Nash was a pure PG who could ALSO be a very good scorer. Hell at times even a great scorer. Harden is a scorer by nature first BUT ALSO was a great passer for a SG. Harden has always been Houston's primary playmaker. BUT since he's the PG literally, he's playing with true SG's and SF's in the lineup more often. And in Mike D's system, it's IMPERATIVE that Harden be dominant scoring and passing.

[Ben Simons]

People shouldn't make threads based on false narratives and misinformation

Nash was 3rd team all-NBA in 2002 and 2003, as well as an all-star. (WCF appearance in 03)

Harden is a great player, and like Nash he is flourishing in D'Antoni's system, I don't see how that is a knock on Steve?
3rd team is nowhere near back to back MVP.

[Euroleague]

On a scale of 0-100,

James Harden's basketball IQ = about 1

Steve Nash's basketball IQ = over 90

[FKAri]

James Harden's basketball IQ = about 1

Steve Nash's basketball IQ = over 90
And Spanoulis' basketball IQ?






















































































































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[Euroleague]

Both are better than prime Kobe. Why? They mazimise the talent of their teammates and score at a similar (if not better) level. Gotta give the defensive edge to balbe... but Harden/Nash > Kobe offensively. I don't think anyones disputing that. As far as using Harden to downgrade Nash... it doesn't work because JH almost won MVP in 2015. (and should have) It's not like he's coming out of nowhere :facepalm

https://media1.giphy.com/media/SEp6Zq6ZkzUNW/200.gif#0

[Euroleague]

Nash was pretty good.

D'antoni is a high impact coach when the system is fully implemented. The small details giving Harden several options on the court at one time. Mainly because Anderson always fades to the 3P line while the other bigs always roll. Harden is so patient and his vision is so good, if anyone on the defense makes a mistake or ball watches he makes them pay instantly.

It's gotten to a point where Harden knows where guys are, literally while not even seeing them at all. Like watch his highlights of tonights game. The offense is so organized, he can get in the air with no where to go and pass it behind his head to a guy he knows is there.

He didn't quite have this ability before D'antoni. The offense is uber-organized. Everyone knows their roles perfectly in this offense. It's not a perfect offense, but it's perfect executed.

Only Gordon goes rogue at times but he's the second-best creator so it makes sense.

Nash was an all-star before and after D'antoni. When both younger and raw on a team with a lot of options, and old on a team with not so many options.

Nash deserves credit for his reputation IMO. But D'antoni isn't some loser who badly coaches one side of the ball either. Great coaches and great players can easily exist. We saw it with all the dynasties. Phoenix had tons of success. Played one side of the ball and pushed dominant two-way teams to the brink.

The offense D'Antoni runs isn't anything special at all. Like every team in the freaking Italian League runs the same offense.

It's just that NBA coaches are generally morons.

[Euroleague]

And Spanoulis' basketball IQ?

About 1,000

[ArbitraryWater]

Except Steve Nash was a very good playoff performer, a big shot maker, and Harden is neither one of those things historically in the playoffs. And he didn't take bonehead shots or make other errors that are magnified in playoff games.

There was nothing overrated about Steve Nash. He always played the game correctly and Harden's stats don't change that.

How is Nash necessarily a better playoff performer? Harden's been pretty good the last two years, Nash would have loved those #'s, and I'm pretty sure he'll continue it this year.

[PejaNowitzki]

How is Nash necessarily a better playoff performer? Harden's been pretty good the last two years, Nash would have loved those #'s, and I'm pretty sure he'll continue it this year.


Nash took a team consisting of Tim Thomas, Boris Diaw, Raja Bell and Shawn Marion to the Western Conference Finals. He went HAM in the playoffs at times, passing, scoring, whatever his team needed him to do. Always stepped his game up when his team needed it, they had the unfortunate luck of running into in-their prime Spurs teams repeatedly.

[TrueBlue89]

Nash took a team consisting of Tim Thomas, Boris Diaw, Raja Bell and Shawn Marion to the Western Conference Finals. He went HAM in the playoffs at times, passing, scoring, whatever his team needed him to do. Always stepped his game up when his team needed it, they had the unfortunate luck of running into in-their prime Spurs teams repeatedly.
And Harden had the unfortunate luck of running to an even better Golden State team you fool. Harden is way better than Nash ever was.

[DeuceWallaces]

Nash got luck with his MVPs but he was an incredible player who made everyone around him better and had consistent playoff success with phenomenal results against quality teams.

I think he's far superior to Harden when you consider him as a team mate and a player.

[ImKobe]

Nash and D'Antoni pioneered the offense we see in the modern NBA... he definitely was overrated in the mid-2000s with the 2 MVPs he won considering the rosters he had but the Suns were impressive.. imagine a team being ranked bottom 5 in the league defensively contending for titles in today's NBA..

However Harden and Kobe have beasted under D'Antoni's system so I guess it proves it wasn't all Steve Nash. Kobe as a full-time PG under Mike led the Lakers to the Playoffs with everyone injured averaging something like 27 and 8 as a PG (with multiple 40 pt 10 assist games) after a terrible start to the season and Harden is putting up prime MJ numbers so far this year.

Nash was a good offensive player but his lack of defense made him a liability in that system. Imagine the D'Antoni system with players that could actually play defense.

[TrueBlue89]

Nash got luck with his MVPs but he was an incredible player who made everyone around him better and had consistent playoff success with phenomenal results against quality teams.

I think he's far superior to Harden when you consider him as a team mate and a player.

:lol

The guy couldn't make the Finals with prime Amare, Joe Johnson, Diaw, Bell, Marion & Barbosa. Imagine Harden with that supporting cast. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Dude is making Wizards & Pelicans throwaways look like All-Stars. :coleman:

[DeuceWallaces]

:lol

The guy couldn't make the Finals with prime Amare, Joe Johnson, Marion & Barbosa. Imagine Harden with that supporting cast. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Dude is making Wizards & Pelicans throwaways look like All-Stars. :coleman:

How many times has Harden gotten out of the 1st round? What was his A/TO ratio, his shooting percentage? If you're not going to play defense at least make your team mates better.

Nash got screwed against the Spurs/Stern in the conference finals.

[knicksman]

More like james harden proves how overrated assists is. Thats why we dont fall for lebron type of players because they are not as effective as their stats suggest.

[TrueBlue89]

Nash never led his team in BPM the two years he won MVP. Not even the clear cut best player on his own team because he was such a ****ing defensive liability. :lol

You could argue not only Stat but Marion were more impactful than he was.

[TrueBlue89]

How many times has Harden gotten out of the 1st round? What was his A/TO ratio, his shooting percentage? If you're not going to play defense at least make your team mates better.

Nash got screwed against the Spurs/Stern in the conference finals.
He's faced Westbrook/Durant & Curry/Dray/Klay in almost every season in the playoffs. How far did you expect him to go exactly with no other All-Star teammate and joke coaches? :biggums:

:lol :lol :lol :lol At you bringing up Harden's defense to defend Steve Nash who was one of the worst ever. Harden plays respectable man 2 man D, will get steals, rebounds & blocks. Nash is a ****ing sieve & one of the worst defensive players of all time.

[DeuceWallaces]

He's faced Westbrook/Durant & Curry/Dray/Klay in almost every season in the playoffs. How far did you expect him to go exactly with no other All-Star teammate and joke coaches? :biggums:

:lol :lol :lol :lol At you bringing up Harden's defense to defend Steve Nash who was one of the worst ever. Harden plays respectable man 2 man D, will get steals, rebounds & blocks. Nash is a ****ing sieve & one of the worst defensive players of all time.

Smiles and emotes don't improve your shit points.

Nash went against Championship Spurs, Lakers, and Mavericks teams every year.

[NuggetsFan]

Nash got luck with his MVPs but he was an incredible player who made everyone around him better and had consistent playoff success with phenomenal results against quality teams.

I think he's far superior to Harden when you consider him as a team mate and a player.

The problem with Nash is he was beyond brutal on defense. Worse than Harden. He also played with pretty incredibly rosters in a system that was tailor made for a player like him.

Nash's advantage as a passer nowhere near makes up for Harden's edge in scoring and rebounding. Harden has incredible vision and with Mike D were finally getting to see him take full advantage of being a PG.

Nash was more efficient in the playoffs but on much less volume. Even than Harden in '15 took the Rockets to the WCF with much less talent and averaged 27/7/6 on 62% TS. Turnovers are ugly but Harden has had like two regular seasons greater than anything Nash ever did. Harden has had one playoff run that is at the very least arguable to Nash's best. Currently Harden is on pace to destroy anything Nash ever did in the regular season.

Guess it could be close right now. Personally don't think it is but within the next 3 years it won't even be a question. People slept on Harden because of how ugly the FT bullshit was but he's a special player.

[NuggetsFan]

How many times has Harden gotten out of the 1st round? What was his A/TO ratio, his shooting percentage? If you're not going to play defense at least make your team mates better.

Nash got screwed against the Spurs/Stern in the conference finals.

Nash averaged 4.7 TO's in what is probably considered his greatest playoff run. His TS% was like 59-61% with PHO. Harden's is 58% with Houston. Keep in mind this is what Harden as the 1st scoring option, less offensive help, and scoring more points. Harden was a let down in the playoffs one year, below his standards another, amazing another, and solid another. Not really out of the ordinary. Nash was like 33 but he had that one playoffs where he was pretty bad like most stars that aren't top 10 level tend to do.

Harden's TO's are the one argument that holds weight. Harden averages 4.4 TO to 6.7 assists with Houston in the playoffs vs Nash averaging 3.8 to 10.7 assists with PHO. Significant but not enough to overcome Harden's advantage as a scorer, rebounder and probably the only time you'll ever say it but defender.

[SexSymbol]

Harden is the worst playoff performer of all time so far, doesn't even have competition for that title.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Unfortunately, yes he does. I love Nash but this proves that any great guard can put up absurd numbers in the system. Nash's vision is still top tier, but I think those MVPs look even more questionable.

Can't believe we're arguing over Harden's and Nash's defense...equally as pathetic in that regard.

I would rather have Nash, but I don't think I can say he was a better player than Harden, just way easier to build around.

[aj1987]

How is Nash necessarily a better playoff performer? Harden's been pretty good the last two years, Nash would have loved those #'s, and I'm pretty sure he'll continue it this year.
:biggums:

This is why you really shouldn't talk about basketball. Like at all. You started watching casually 4 years ago and your a LeBron turd.

[PejaNowitzki]

And Harden had the unfortunate luck of running to an even better Golden State team you fool. Harden is way better than Nash ever was.

Nash had a far higher basketball IQ and made every single guy out on the floor with him better. Its easy to underrate him because he was not a shoot-first guy but he was the consumnate court general and certainly showed the ability to light it up when his team needed. 2005 playoffs vs Dallas are a good ecample after Joe Johnson went down.

If I'm starting a roster, I take a young Nash over Harden everytime.

[greatest-ever]

I don't think it makes him overrated, but perhaps he looks less impressive seeing what Harden is doing in the same system.

[Clifton]

If people think Nash is a point god on an entirely different plane from Chris Paul, then yes.

The problem with OP's question is that most people know Nash isn't as good as his MVPs, Suns numbers, and accolades attest. Everyone knows he wasn't a top 5 player when he was winning MVPs. So in that sense, no Nash isn't overrated.

Keep in mind also that Harden is a perennial MVP candidate himself, and one of the 5 best players in the game since he first came to Houston. He's a first ballot HOFer most likely. At least as good, and I would argue a greater, player than Paul Pierce, Dirk, and Vince Carter were in their primes. So let's not merely knock his numbers as inflated: there aren't too many guys in the game who could do what he's doing, even on Houston as currently constructed. Only Westbrook, Curry, and Lebron are on his level or higher among backcourt players. Wall would be getting the assists but not the scoring (and his passing isn't as good); Lillard, too, would be a notch below. Kyrie too. Props to Harden.

[FKAri]

If people think Nash is a point god on an entirely different plane from Chris Paul, then yes.

The problem with OP's question is that most people know Nash isn't as good as his MVPs, Suns numbers, and accolades attest. Everyone knows he wasn't a top 5 player when he was winning MVPs. So in that sense, no Nash isn't overrated.

Keep in mind also that Harden is a perennial MVP candidate himself, and one of the 5 best players in the game since he first came to Houston. He's a first ballot HOFer most likely. At least as good, and I would argue a greater, player than Paul Pierce, Dirk, and Vince Carter were in their primes. So let's not merely knock his numbers as inflated: there aren't too many guys in the game who could do what he's doing, even on Houston as currently constructed. Only Westbrook, Curry, and Lebron are on his level or higher among backcourt players. Wall would be getting the assists but not the scoring (and his passing isn't as good); Lillard, too, would be a notch below. Kyrie too. Props to Harden.

So Harden > prime Dirk and Lillard is just a notch below Harden? So Lillard and Dirk must be pretty close as players then? :oldlol:

[tpols]

Unfortunately, yes he does. I love Nash but this proves that any great guard can put up absurd numbers in the system. Nash's vision is still top tier, but I think those MVPs look even more questionable.

Can't believe we're arguing over Harden's and Nash's defense...equally as pathetic in that regard.



Nash's numbers with and w/o Dantoni arent all that different.. for prime

17/9/3 without
18/11/3 with..


Had a playoff run few years after Dantoni left of 18/11/3 where he shot a career best 63 TS, while leading his squad to the WCFs.



Where is this crazy boost Nash got from playing under D'antoni .. ?
i swear its like you guys are just making sh!t up.

[CuterThanRubio]

Nash's impact goes beyond his individual numbers

His teams were leading the league in scoring and pace, the Rockets aren't.

[MiseryCityTexas]

if it wasnt for D'antoni Steve Nash wouldnt have ever even made the allstar team


Steve Nash was a flat out bum in the 90s.

[Smoke117]

Nash's impact goes beyond his individual numbers

His teams were leading the league in scoring and pace, the Rockets aren't.

He also had better teammates.

[NBAGOAT]

Nash's impact goes beyond his individual numbers

His teams were leading the league in scoring and pace, the Rockets aren't.

the Rockets are close with a pretty mediocre roster however(5th in ortg right now). This is coming from a guy who has Nash up there as one of the better offensive players of all time but what Harden doing is hurting his case some.

[TrueBlue89]

I think its hilarious u kids talking shit about harden. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol

[CuterThanRubio]

He also had better teammates.


2006

[Smoke117]

I think its hilarious u kids talking shit about harden. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol

https://media.tenor.co/images/1871b120b4ac6b0676204ef7770f47ac/raw

What the hell does this have to do with anything in regards to this topic? Take your ass out of my thread, bitch.

[Smoke117]

2006

A peak Shawn Marion is better than the Rockets 2nd and 3rd best player combined.

[CuterThanRubio]

A peak Shawn Marion is better than the Rockets 2nd and 3rd best player combined.


.737% of his 2pt field goals and .938% of his 3pt field goals were assisted on that season.

Marion was great but he was the beneficiary of Nash's passing, he was rarely creating his own looks.

[Smoke117]

.737% of his 2pt field goals and .938% of his 3pt field goals were assisted on that season.

Marion was great but he was the beneficiary of Nash's passing, he was rarely creating his own looks.

You realize there's other aspects of the game besides scoring right? He was a great rebounder and a great defensive player at his peak and those are two things that had a big part in them being successful. He's the reason they were a middling defensive team in 06 (16th out of 30) instead of a horrible one.

[CuterThanRubio]

You realize there's other aspects of the game besides scoring right? He was a great rebounder and a great defensive player at his peak and those are two things that had a big part in them being successful. He's the reason they were a middling defensive team in 06 (16th out of 30) instead of a horrible one.


Argue that Nash's Suns' defense was a "big part" of their success and expect to be taken seriously....

He made a significant impact in that department but they were winning because of their scoring, not because of Marion locking people up.

The statistics I listed perfectly exemplify Nash's value.

He's not overrated at all

[Smoke117]

Argue that Nash's Suns' defense was a "big part" of their success and expect to be taken seriously....

He made a significant impact in that department but they were winning because of their scoring, not because of Marion locking people up.

The statistics I listed perfectly exemplify Nash's value.

He's not overrated at all

What part of...he made them a middling defensive team and not a completely horrible one didn't you understand? If you think they were scoring so much that it just didn't make any difference, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[CuterThanRubio]

What part of...he made them a middling defensive team and not a completely horrible one didn't you understand? If you think they were scoring so much that it just didn't make any difference, you have no idea what you are talking about.

You really are mentally retarded, aren't you?

An edgy lil dummy waiting to lash out, you need to chill, this is a troll thread to begin with so be happy that I'm giving you legit content/


That is D'Antoni's strategy in a nutshell, Marion wasn't the only person playing defense he was only a piece of the puzzle, I'm not downplaying his importance but you are trying to change the narrative.

They were scoring that much, 6ppg more than second place with the highest FG percentage in all categories, I know exactly what I'm talking about, you are just spamming garbage for no reason, you didn't even know Nash was all NBA when you started the thread, killyaself mayne!

[Smoke117]

This is pointless and you will just go on and on like your nonsense about Kobe being a better dunker than Jordan. I say, let's just agree to disagree. That...and you're wrong. I'm also not sure how what I said is "lashing out", but okay.

[CuterThanRubio]

This is pointless and you will just go on and on like your nonsense about Kobe being a better dunker than Jordan. I say, let's just agree to disagree. That...and you're wrong. I'm also not sure how what I said is "lashing out", but okay.

We can settle this easily

Is Harden a better basketball player than Nash? Yes

Does that mean Nash is overrated? No

It means D'Antoni's system is genius and now that he has a better player in the mix he is putting up even greater numbers than Nash did


Simple

I do think Nash is better at creating for his team and leading them to wins, but that is a different story, I like Harden so I'm not bothered by the comparison.

[NBAGOAT]

I think its hilarious u kids talking shit about harden. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol

lol that reddit meme.

[Father Prime]

Linsanity > Nash

[Lebron23]

Both benefitted from the Mike D'Antoni defense. Nasg wash an all nba 3rd team before the Mike D'Antoni System.