Tmac and Carter

[egokiller]

This combo is still one of the most fascinating "what if?" questions in basketball. Tmac should never have left.

[FreezingTsmoove]

What if TMac was a good enough player and leader to actually get out the damn first round in his career?

There's no "what if" for Tmac. He's a glorified regular season all star who wasnt worth a shit when it mattered the most

[egokiller]

Are you describing Chris Paul? What if Chris Paul was good enough to make a WCF?

[ShawkFactory]

What if TMac was a good enough player and leader to actually get out the damn first round in his career?

There's no "what if" for Tmac. He's a glorified regular season all star who wasnt worth a shit when it mattered the most
Kind of false. He always played better in the postseason.

He had short comings but labeling him just a regular season all star is stupid. He had a superstar game regardless of who he played but just lacked the killer instinct.

As for the OP, I don't think tmac would have blossomed if he had stayed. Dude needed his own team to be in control of.

[Kblaze8855]

What if TMac was a good enough player and leader to actually get out the damn first round in his career?

Nobody is stupid enough to believe that Tmac simply wasnt a "good enough player" to win a playoff series. Thats the worst kind of "It never happened so it couldnt possibly happen" idiotic sports fan logic there is.

Tmac was better than any number of people who led teams to the finals. Basketball is not nearly so simple as some want to make it out.

Like Chauncey Billups leadership is gonna make the 04 Magic the 04 Pistons....

Better players than Tmac have failed to do anything with better teams than he had even in Houston.

[Im Still Ballin]

Webber and Shaq.

Committed Sampson and Hakeem.

But bro. Nothing for me beats Durant, Westbrook, Harden.

They had only just scratched the surface

[tpols]

Webber and Shaq.

Committed Sampson and Hakeem.

But bro. Nothing for me beats Durant, Westbrook, Harden.

They had only just scratched the surface


they sound better on paper than they were together.. there's only one ball .. and they all love to dribble it.

[Im Still Ballin]

they sound better on paper than they were together.. there's only one ball .. and they all love to dribble it.
You seriously trying to make this argument? It was working you fool

[tpols]

You seriously trying to make this argument? It was working you fool



you're talking like these guys would all be able to drop 30 point triple doubles together like they are right now as separate full time cogs / one man armies.. which is silly.

[Im Still Ballin]

you're talking like these guys would all be able to drop 30 point triple doubles together like they are right now as separate full time cogs / one man armies.. which is silly.
I never said anything about stats

They were 23, 23, 22. Since they've all clearly gotten better since then, the statement remains.

They only scratched the surface

[pedromarinho]

I never said anything about stats

They were 23, 23, 22. Since they've all clearly gotten better since then, the statement remains.

They only scratched the surfaceTake Chokebrook out for any average PG and they would be even better.

[imdaman99]

Take Goatbrook out for any average PG and they would have lost to the Grizzlies in the 1st round every year
Fixed for you since you don't have a brain, you're welcome :cheers:

[MiseryCityTexas]

Raptors woulda won a championship by now if T-Mac weren't so selfish, money hungry and ego driven.

[Bankaii]

Take Chokebrook out for any average PG and they would be even better.
What happened the year Westbrook went down again?

[bluechox2]

Raptors woulda won a championship by now if T-Mac weren't so selfish, money hungry and ego driven.

one eye was set on a different place

[L.Kizzle]

Raptors woulda won a championship by now if T-Mac weren't so selfish, money hungry and ego driven.
I don't know, he wasn't even starting in Toronto.

[Gatorade Sax]

one eye was set on a different place
:oldlol:

[MiseryCityTexas]

Nobody is stupid enough to believe that Tmac simply wasnt a "good enough player" to win a playoff series. Thats the worst kind of "It never happened so it couldnt possibly happen" idiotic sports fan logic there is.

Tmac was better than any number of people who led teams to the finals. Basketball is not nearly so simple as some want to make it out.

Like Chauncey Billups leadership is gonna make the 04 Magic the 04 Pistons....

Better players than Tmac have failed to do anything with better teams than he had even in Houston.

Former Raptors coach Darryl Walker really felt this way about T-Mac at one point of his NBA coaching career.:oldlol: :facepalm

[MiseryCityTexas]

I don't know, he wasn't even starting in Toronto.

He was starting towards the end of the regular season and play-offs though in that last season T-Mac and Air Canada played together.

[Clifton]

There's no "what if" for Tmac. He's a glorified regular season all star who wasnt worth a shit when it mattered the most
Take a look at his supporting casts. It's shocking what he was working with in Orlando. And he almost took out the #1 seed with that.

Anthony Davis is doing something similar in New Orleans--at least, with Jrue out. But stars almost always have decent casts these days; if they don't win it's due to coaching, lack of chemistry, etc. (See: Sacramento Kings, which have way more talent around Cousins than Tmac had, but Tmac's guys worked together better)

[Father Prime]

Who's fatter right now? Haven't been keeping up.

[ralph_i_el]

Nobody is stupid enough to believe that Tmac simply wasnt a "good enough player" to win a playoff series. Thats the worst kind of "It never happened so it couldnt possibly happen" idiotic sports fan logic there is.

Tmac was better than any number of people who led teams to the finals. Basketball is not nearly so simple as some want to make it out.

Like Chauncey Billups leadership is gonna make the 04 Magic the 04 Pistons....

Better players than Tmac have failed to do anything with better teams than he had even in Houston.

^Thank you

:applause:

[miggyme1]

wouldn't have worked....too ball dominant.....vc aint that time didn't know how to pass the ball...wasn't because he was a selfish player he just wasn't a facilitator at all.......like it just wasn't in his game.....tmac while he could facilitate.....his main strength was scoring....sooooo while they would have been fun to watch.....they would have been like the clippers around that same time with odom,richarson and miles.....entertaining.......but would not have worked to win rings

[MiseryCityTexas]

What if TMac was a good enough player and leader to actually get out the damn first round in his career?

There's no "what if" for Tmac. He's a glorified regular season all star who wasnt worth a shit when it mattered the most

This is flat out bullshit. He did the most on the majority of his play-off teams. His teammates just never stepped up.

[MiseryCityTexas]

T-mac lead the Magic to the play-offs with Mike ****ing Miller as a second option smfh.

[miggyme1]

T-mac lead the Magic to the play-offs with Mike ****ing Miller as a second option smfh.



stop bruh...mike miller was far from a scrub...in fact I believe he won rookie of the year.....mike was a stud earlier in his career and was actually a more than competent 2nd option for the magic AND the grizzlies

[MiseryCityTexas]

stop bruh...mike miller was far from a scrub...in fact I believe he won rookie of the year.....mike was a stud earlier in his career and was actually a more than competent 2nd option for the magic AND the grizzlies

He won rookie of the year in one of the shittiest draft classes in NBA history. Miller wasn't a scrub at the time, but he was also far from a superstar caliber player. :oldlol:

[egokiller]

He won rookie of the year in one of the shittiest draft classes in NBA history. Miller wasn't a scrub at the time, but he was also far from a superstar caliber player. :oldlol:

Fact

[miggyme1]

He won rookie of the year in one of the shittiest draft classes in NBA history. Miller wasn't a scrub at the time, but he was also far from a superstar caliber player. :oldlol:



yea..i still blame the magic..mike miller was a key piece on any contender and complimented tmac so well.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Mike Miller's not even a better player than Hedo Turkoglu. :oldlol: = T-mac had no help.

[miggyme1]

Mike Miller's not even a better player than Hedo Turkoglu. :oldlol: = T-mac had no help.

not better but the same tier.