MJ is only great player that got head at rim off one AND two legs

[3ball]

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There is no video of Dr. J or Lebron getting their head at rim off two legs, and no video of Dominique getting his head at rim off one leg... Only Jordan has documented footage of him getting his head at rim off both one AND two legs.

one leg: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12173571&postcount=62
two legs: https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhuRyEvLxbgD3fG/giphy.gif

:confusedshrug:

Therefore, he's the greatest leaper of all time, out of the players that matter.. Jordan's superior leaping versatility helps explain his goat scoring skill and unstoppableness.

(again, this is out of the players that matter - so aside from gerald green and a couple other dunk specialists - but tbh, i've only seen gerald green get his head at rim off two legs, and james white only off one leg)
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[SouBeachTalents]

1-9

[FKAri]

Vincent Lamar Carter is known as primarily a 2 foot leaper but he has gotten his head at rim level off of one leg.

Also, 1-9. Still waiting on your take.

[AirBonner]

3ball is running out of material. Stupid thread.

[ClipperRevival]

2nd link doesn't work.

The other guy who was truly special at both is Westbrook. He is uber explosive doing both.

But yeah, most people just don't understand how physically gifted MJ was. Like getting amazing explosion off little to no momentum. He could attack you in every way imaginable. And that made him more dangerous on the court.

[AirBonner]

2nd link doesn't work.

The other guy who was truly special at both is Westbrook. He is uber explosive doing both.

But yeah, most people just don't understand how physically gifted MJ was. Like getting amazing explosion off little to no momentum. He could attack you in every way imaginable. And that made him more dangerous on the court.
I think Vince Cater is more gifted in the athletic sense. MJ never attempted to leap OVER people for a dunk

[bigkingsfan]

Learn how angle work, he's not at rim level on two legs dunk.

[3ball]

I think Vince Cater is more gifted in the athletic sense. MJ never attempted to leap OVER people for a dunk
hell yeah he did... i have to run out right now, but later i will show you gif of jordan jumping over a guy

btw show me a single clip or gif of carter getting his head AT the rim - just show me ONE (there are none - he couldn't do it)

Again, MJ is the only guy who could get his head at the rim off one AND two legs.

There is NO footage of Vince EVER getting his head at the rim..

There is NO footage of Dr. J or Lebron ever getting their head at rim off 2 feet... Ditto on dominique off one foot.

[3ball]

2nd link doesn't work.



fixed the 2nd link:


https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhuRyEvLxbgD3fG/giphy.gif


Again, MJ is the only guy who could get his head at the rim off one AND two legs.

There is NO footage of Vince EVER getting his head at the rim..

There is NO footage of Dr. J or Lebron ever getting their head at rim off 2 feet... Ditto on dominique off one foot.
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[MP.Trey]

LeBron off two:

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/51a56a5d69beddb336000011-1190-625/lebron-james-jumped-two-feet-above-the-rim-and-unleashed-an-epic-block-on-the-pacers.jpg

LeBron off one:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xMAchz39oOI/maxresdefault.jpg

[NBAGOAT]

hell yeah he did... i have to run out right now, but later i will show you gif of jordan jumping over a guy

btw show me a single clip or gif of carter getting his head AT the rim - just show me ONE (there are none - he couldn't do it)

Again, MJ is the only guy who could get his head at the rim off one AND two legs.

There is NO footage of Vince EVER getting his head at the rim..

There is NO footage of Dr. J or Lebron ever getting their head at rim off 2 feet... Ditto on dominique off one foot.

:lol Seriously you just keep topping yourself with these lies. This is from college but still counts as footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn70Wr48ptE

[DaHeezy]

3ball is running out of material. Stupid thread.
100% agree.
He's now making shit up to stay relevant.

[Bankaii]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xMAchz39oOI/maxresdefault.jpg
I know the angle helps but holy crap:bowdown:

[AussieSteve]

Does 3ball actually have any interest in the basketball being played in 2016? It seems all he cares about is laboriously manufacturing dumb agruments about players who dont play any more vs. Lebron.

[AirBonner]

Does 3ball actually have any interest in the basketball being played in 2016? It seems all he cares about is laboriously manufacturing dumb agruments about players who dont play any more vs. Lebron.
Lebron mindfvcked him in the last finals. He feels now more then ever that he has to defend ordan's honor.

[3ball]

LeBron off two:

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/51a56a5d69beddb336000011-1190-625/lebron-james-jumped-two-feet-above-the-rim-and-unleashed-an-epic-block-on-the-pacers.jpg


The top of his head is clearly below the rim, even though that angle is favorable to him.

Also, show the clip proving he took off two legs.. not that it matters, because the his head is clearly a few inchez shy of the rim, even with the favorable angle

[3ball]

Does 3ball actually have any interest in the basketball being played in 2016? It seems all he cares about is laboriously manufacturing dumb agruments about players who dont play any more vs. Lebron.
I have zero interest in todays game and havent watched a single minute of this season or last, except the 4th quarter of kobes last game.

Todays spacing, lack of physicality and hands off defense make it too easy to make great plays.. these things allow "great" plays to be made on every play, which means they arent really "great" at all.

I dont need the immediate gratification on every play.. i prefer the days when you had to WAIT for great plays, like real sports soccer or baseball.. the lack of spacing, physicality and legal hand checking and paint camping made great plays harder to come by.

So no, i have no interest in todays kiddy game that makes "great" plays easy.. trix are for kids, so you guys enjoy

[plowking]

fixed the 2nd link:


https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhuRyEvLxbgD3fG/giphy.gif


Again, MJ is the only guy who could get his head at the rim off one AND two legs.

There is NO footage of Vince EVER getting his head at the rim..

There is NO footage of Dr. J or Lebron ever getting their head at rim off 2 feet... Ditto on dominique off one foot.
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lol at rim level in that gif. He isn't close.

[MP.Trey]

The top of his head is clearly below the rim, even though that angle is favorable to him.

Also, show the clip proving he took off two legs.. not that it matters, because the his head is clearly a few inchez shy of the rim, even with the favorable angle
http://cdn.everyjoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/lebron-george-hill-block.gif

[3ball]

http://cdn.everyjoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/lebron-george-hill-block.gif


He's still a couple inches below the rim, but it's interesting because both Lebron clips show him jumping WITHOUT THE BALL, which makes it easier to get up.

Only Jordan DUNKED with his head at the rim off 1 leg AND 2 legs.. That's much harder than jumping without the ball like Lebron did

There is no clip of Lebron or Dr. J dunking off two legs with their heads at rim.. There's no clip of Dominique dunking off 1 leg with his head at rim..

Only Jordan has dunked off 1 leg AND 2 legs with his head at rim.. This is a fact - he's simply the most versatile leaper of all time, which is part of the reason his offense was so unstoppable.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Greatest leaper of all time?


Who the fuuuuuccccckkkk cares, omg how can you even waste your time on shit like this? Greatest leaper? For ****s sake, dude :facepalm

[3ball]

Who the fuuuuuccccckkkk cares


Jordan is the only player that has dunked with his head at rim off 1 leg and 2 legs.

This is significant - it means he's the most versatile leaper of all time, which partly explains why he could adjust better in any situation and mitigate defenses better than anyone in history..

His goat leaping versatility partially explains why he was the most unstoppable player in history.. Btw, "greatest leaper" threads are quite common on ish

[Kblaze8855]

Only Jordan has documented footage of him getting his head at rim off both one AND two legs.

Jordan having a lot more film than Dr.J does not prove Doctor J couldnt get up off two feet. It proves Jordan has more footage easily accessed.

Besides....there is no footage of Jordan doing a lot of things im sure he could do.

Saying ___ cant ___ because there is no footage of it is just irrational when the people in question have the extreme majority of their basketball unavailable to investigate.

[3ball]

Jordan having a lot more film than Dr.J does not prove Doctor J couldnt get up off two feet. It proves Jordan has more footage easily accessed.


Fair enough.. Good point..

So let's talk about modern players only, say post 1990 - Jordan is the only modern player that has dunked with his head at rim off 1 leg AND 2 legs.

Guys like Lebron never dunked off 2 legs with his head at rim, while guys like Dominique never dunked off 1 leg with his head at rim.. But Jordan has done both, as shown in the OP.

This is significant - it means Jordan is the most versatile leaper post 1990, which partly explains why he could adjust better in any situation and mitigate defenses better than anyone.. His goat leaping versatility partially explains why he was the most unstoppable player in history.

[Prometheus]

I've been saying this about MJ for a long time. His leaping ability was so versatile that his timing was unpredictable. If you watch LeBron when he attacks the rim, his timing is very easy to pick up on. With MJ, you never knew precisely how he was going to do it.

The truth is bothering some people in this thread.

[3ball]

I've been saying this about MJ for a long time. His leaping ability was so versatile that his timing was unpredictable. If you watch LeBron when he attacks the rim, his timing is very easy to pick up on. With MJ, you never knew precisely how he was going to do it.

The truth is bothering some people in this thread.


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[Dray n Klay]

3ball, if MJ is such a great leaper, why doesn't he have as many chest-to-chest dunks as LeBron?? :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

3ball, if MJ is such a great leaper, why doesn't he have as many chest-to-chest dunks as LeBron?? :confusedshrug:
You're trolling.

The only reason you're aware of the phrase "chest-to-chest" is because I started using that phrase when talking about Jordan.

In 2014, Lebron dunked over defenders in a chest-to-chest scenario (posters) only 3 times the entire season (full video below)!!!... Every other time the spacing and defensive 3 seconds prevented defenders from getting to the spot in time[/I]... and most of Lebron's dunks were completely wide open, not even a reach-in or fly-by - the 3-point shooting and floor-spacing creates too much ground and extra space for the defense to cover....

confirm for yourself... here are every single one of Lebron's dunks for the 2014 season - only 3 posters the whole season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJNe550OrZM


After you've watched Lebron's dunks, compare that to Jordan's dunks in 1987... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQH7_BW9hCI&t=2m36s


RIGHT AWAY you can tell that there's a massive difference - there is less room between defenders since they only had to defend 2-pointers and therefore guarded a smaller surface area.... and shot-blocking big men are camped in the paint awaiting penetrators (rather than today's game where defenders must help from outside the paint due to 3-point shooting and defensive 3 seconds).

The lack of spacing meant Jordan had to frequently dunk over and through guys - meanwhile, Lebron benefits from more spread-out defenders that can only reach in or fly-by most of the time, rather than be WAITING there ready to fully contest.

Also, here's a high quality (HD) Jordan dunk compilation on youtube (done by balthus23): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysMFyE4heVo&t=1m45s

And another more one (done by mdestinier):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPRyG5bOOtY
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[egokiller]

3ball is running out of material. Stupid thread.

It's actually a pretty solid post when the only rebuttal can be "1-9" which has already been debunked.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=394831

3ball with the itchy trigger finger rubbing salt in the wounds. :roll:

[pedromarinho]

Also, here's a high quality (HD) Jordan dunk compilation on youtube (done by balthus23): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysMFyE4heVo&t=1m45s
Jesus Christ.

The most savage/dominant player since the wheel was invented.

[Dray n Klay]

Chest-to-Chest dunks that MJ COULDN'T do

https://media.giphy.com/media/eKTBItWJcbhZK/giphy.gif

http://i.imgur.com/1euOqXT.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/7Cz61Ij1o7eg/giphy.gif

http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/LeBronDunk.gif

[3ball]

what makes you think that MJ can't do those dunks, or doesn't have dunks like that?..

I'm about to leave the house, but later on when I have time, I'll post some of Jordan's 1-legged dunks that are equal or superior to the ones you just posted (like his dunk over laimbeer from the ft line).

The reality is that Jordan has many dunks that Lebron can't do, like MOST of his posters off two legs (lebron almost never posterizes guys off two legs).

i suggest you review my last response to you - it's all there, all the video proof - lebron had THREE chest-to-chest posters the entire 2014 season (134 dunks, mostly transition).. otoh, the lack of spacing and paint camping made that IMPOSSIBLE for jordan to do - he was forced to posterize guys - he couldn't use spacing to get open dunks or in-stride dunks like lebron does.

[CTbasketball92]

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There is no video of Dr. J or Lebron getting their head at rim off two legs, and no video of Dominique getting his head at rim off one leg... Only Jordan has documented footage of him getting his head at rim off both one AND two legs.

one leg: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12173571&postcount=62
two legs: https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhuRyEvLxbgD3fG/giphy.gif

:confusedshrug:

Therefore, he's the greatest leaper of all time, out of the players that matter.. Jordan's superior leaping versatility helps explain his goat scoring skill and unstoppableness.

(again, this is out of the players that matter - so aside from gerald green and a couple other dunk specialists - but tbh, i've only seen gerald green get his head at rim off two legs, and james white only off one leg)
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MJ's armpits are bove the rim in the seond gif:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Dragonyeuw]

Chest-to-Chest dunks that MJ COULDN'T do


http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/LeBronDunk.gif

How do you make such a claim, then produce a video where Lebron and the other player barely touch each other? :biggums:

[Dragonyeuw]

Chest-to-Chest dunks that MJ COULDN'T do


https://media.giphy.com/media/7Cz61Ij1o7eg/giphy.gif



Or even better, a video where the defender basically makes no effort whatsoever to challenge and basically moves out of the way. We must have differing values on what chest to chest means.

[egokiller]

I've been saying this about MJ for a long time. His leaping ability was so versatile that his timing was unpredictable. If you watch LeBron when he attacks the rim, his timing is very easy to pick up on. With MJ, you never knew precisely how he was going to do it.

The truth is bothering some people in this thread.

Ofcourse people are triggered by this. Just when they think they have a minute of rest after the last MJ vs Lebron debate that they lost, 3ball comes right back and hits em' with some fresh new shit. :roll:

It's been about 20 years but MJ was so damn GOAT that there is STILL new threads being made with content about him never heard before. It doesn't get any more GOAT than that.:pimp:

[Hoopz2332]

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There is no video of Dr. J or Lebron getting their head at rim off two legs, and no video of Dominique getting his head at rim off one leg... Only Jordan has documented footage of him getting his head at rim off both one AND two legs.

one leg: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12173571&postcount=62
two legs: https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhuRyEvLxbgD3fG/giphy.gif


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LMAO @ the 2nd clip being anywhere near head at the rim level

[AirBonner]

LMAO @ the 2nd clip being anywhere near head at the rim level
It's comical. Mj stans are the new wilt stans. Tall tales.

[Hoopz2332]

3ball something for you

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/lbjhighjump-1.png


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2261431/lebronhurt.gif

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http://i.imgur.com/BUNn3aJ.jpg

[Hoopz2332]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/8bd3bcecad8356b3cf1965d0a1cce62d/tumblr_mo0aptnqqc1r5ndk1o1_400.gif
http://i.imgur.com/ahBZ6cV.jpg

[paksat]

Does 3ball actually have any interest in the basketball being played in 2016? It seems all he cares about is laboriously manufacturing dumb agruments about players who dont play any more vs. Lebron.

I can't blame him for trying to keep people aware that basketball used to be a lot different than it is now, it wasn't just the players but I know where 3ball is coming from

all this comparing of lebron to mj is ridiculous and I don't blame him for being up in arms about it

the only thing that amazes me sometimes with lebron is his court awareness and ability to pass it wherever. Everything else MJ is just insanely better at

[pauk]

I know the angle helps but holy crap:bowdown:

How about this:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/lbjhighjump-1_zps9b656c0a.png

Lets just say dude could decapitate himself.

[3ball]

How about this:

Lets just say Lebron could decapitate himself.


All of the Lebron gifs in this thread show him leaping without the ball in his hands, which is easier to do.. He isn't dunking in them, just leaping off one leg for a rebound or block.

Otoh, Jordan is the only player that has DUNKED with his head at rim off 1 leg AND 2 legs.

Guys like Lebron never dunked off 2 legs with his head at rim, while guys like Dominique never dunked off 1 leg with his head at rim.. But Jordan has done both, as shown in the OP.

This is significant - it means Jordan is the most versatile leaper post 1990, which partly explains why he could adjust better in any situation and mitigate defenses better than anyone.. His goat leaping versatility partially explains why he was the most unstoppable player in history.
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[swagga]

karl malone is the only player that has dunked after fukking a 12 year old before the game. Equally as relevant tbh.

[julizaver]

fixed the 2nd link:


https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhuRyEvLxbgD3fG/giphy.gif


Again, MJ is the only guy who could get his head at the rim off one AND two legs.

There is NO footage of Vince EVER getting his head at the rim..

There is NO footage of Dr. J or Lebron ever getting their head at rim off 2 feet... Ditto on dominique off one foot.
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The dunk in the Jordan's gif is his FIRST EVER IN THE NBA (pre-season doesn't counts) and it was in his second game - in his debut he had no dunks. And in that game he performed my favourite dunk doing cradle dunk finishing with both hands:

Here is the full highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ekqkRsziFo
- the dunks are in 2.12 and 5.00 (slow motion).


About VC - he was able to get to the rim one or two legs, no time to search footage, but I have watched him doing windmill with head at rim level at least.

[Big164]

Chest2chest over the greatest defensive player of all time.


http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/sixers/spiritofthechampion/Rhythm-v.2.9.1/www/images/photo-phila-chamberlain.jpg

[3ball]

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There is no video of Dr. J or Lebron getting their head at rim off two legs, and no video of Dominique getting his head at rim off one leg... Only Jordan has documented footage of him getting his head at rim off both one AND two legs.

one leg: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12173571&postcount=62
two legs: https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JhuRyEvLxbgD3fG/giphy.gif

:confusedshrug:

Therefore, he's the greatest leaper of all time, out of the players that matter.. Jordan's superior leaping versatility helps explain his goat scoring skill and unstoppableness.

(again, this is out of the players that matter - so aside from gerald green and a couple other dunk specialists - but tbh, i've only seen gerald green get his head at rim off two legs, and james white only off one leg)
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THREAD CLIFFS:

No one was able to refute that only MJ has documented footage of him dunking with his head at the rim of both 1 and 2 feet

The greatest combo leaper ever among great players confirmed.

[scuzzy]

Chest-to-Chest dunks that MJ COULDN'T do

https://media.giphy.com/media/eKTBItWJcbhZK/giphy.gif

http://i.imgur.com/1euOqXT.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/7Cz61Ij1o7eg/giphy.gif

http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/LeBronDunk.gif
:eek: :eek:

[3ball]

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[3ball]

Thread Cliffs:

ONLY jordan has footage of him dunking with his head at the rim off 1 and 2 feet (provided in the OP)

The confirmed goat combo leaper

[brutalBBQ]

1-9
We dont care about your ejaculation to m@ster.bation ratio.

[3ba11]

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Jordan off 1 leg:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-12-2022/1bixU2.gif



Jordan off 2 legs:


https://media4.giphy.com/media/l2JhuRyEvLxbgD3fG/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b952b0b49b2588dc683d60069897652 796d5d990b8c6&rid=giphy.webp

[1987_Lakers]

Thread Cliffs: MJ playing against illegal defense rules with no zones and limited help proved he never faced maximum defensive attention.

[3ba11]

Thread Cliffs: MJ playing against illegal defense rules with no zones and limited help proved he never faced maximum defensive attention.


Today's game mandates an open paint, while Jordan faced packed paints

Btw, in addition to a 48 inch vertical, Jordan had a 4.3 forty dash according to the New York times in 1983 (here (https://www.nytimes.com/1983/12/26/sports/jordan-settles-into-success-as-a-tar-heel.html)) and Roy Williams in the Last Dance in 2020

[Axe]

Thread Cliffs: MJ playing against illegal defense rules with no zones and limited help proved he never faced maximum defensive attention.
Yikes.

[Atlantis]

How does being able to jump equally well off both one leg or two translate to superior on-court effectiveness and production versus a player who can jump just as high but only off one or the other?

It makes sense that it would be an advantage, but I'm not really understanding why exactly and how much.

[Full Court]

How has a thread about getting head at the rim not attracted FultzNationRISE yet?

[Shooter]

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[Round Mound]

Sir Charles was pretty good jumping off two legs to dunk aswell.

Here is one over Moutombo and with the left hand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DON-Bsd-3Fg