Harden is the MVP and there's nothing that can be done about it...

[stalkerforlife]

You may hate his style.

You may hate his defense.

You may hate his personality.

But he's currently the league MVP and it isn't even close.

And he was robbed last year of an ALL-NBA appearance.

This dude can BALL.

[BigKAT]

I don't disagree with anything you've said.






















That Win-Loss record though.

[Ben Simons]

He needs to improve his team record, otherwise no MVP for Harden.

[stalkerforlife]

Team record is 9-5...that's amazing with their roster.

[ClipperRevival]

If the season ended today, yes:

28.6 PPG, 30.7 PER, 12.4 APG, 7.8 RPG

[CuhGetsBucks]

Why do people hate his personality? The dude literally just chills and enjoys himself.

[ClipperRevival]

Westbrook putting up monster numbers too.

31.6 PPG, 31.4 PER, 10.4 APG, 9.7 RPG

Although is Westbrook taking 23.8 attempts per game to Harden's only 18.9.

[Lebronxrings]

blake griffin IMO. Hes leading the clippers. His impact goes beyond his numbers.

[Ben Simons]

I have Westbrook over Harden right now. Similar but slightly better stats, and similar but slightly better record.

[Wally450]

Why do people hate his personality? The dude literally just chills and enjoys himself.

I agree. Has he ever done stuff off the court that make people hate him? Outside of his little stint with Khloe?

[MP.Trey]

Why do people hate his personality? The dude literally just chills and enjoys himself.
I don't think many people hate his personality. Just his play style. Nobody wants to watch a guy lock the defenders arms up with his to try to draw a foul every second play.

Btw, Rockets are at the #5 seed in the West right now. In the past 30+ years, every player who won MVP has been either the #1 or #2 seed in their conference (with the exception of Jordan in 88 and Malone in 99 who were the 3rd seed). That team has some work to do before he'll be considered.

[ClipperRevival]

I have Westbrook over Harden right now. Similar but slightly better stats, and similar but slightly better record.

HOU is 9-5, OKC is 8-6.

[StephHamann]

Only boxscore nerds like Harden, he is boring as **** to watch.

[1manfastbreak]

If you were to swap Westbrook and Harden, do you think Westbrook would put up better numbers in that style of offense?

[BigNBAfan]

LOL, Harden Westbrook and Durant all dominating on separate teams. OKC GM crying to sleep every night.

[Ben Simons]

HOU is 9-5, OKC is 8-6.
My bad.

[BigNBAfan]

If you were to swap Westbrook and Harden, do you think Westbrook would put up better numbers in that style of offense?

D'antoni offense for westbrook = unstoppable.

[ArbitraryWater]

Only boxscore nerds like Harden, he is boring as **** to watch.

His playmaking is amazing ya fool :lol

[egokiller]

LOL, Harden Westbrook and Durant all dominating on separate teams. OKC GM crying to sleep every night.

Because he knows that he's a joke of a GM. :roll:

[JebronLames]

I don't think many people hate his personality. Just his play style. Nobody wants to watch a guy lock the defenders arms up with his to try to draw a foul every second play.

Btw, Rockets are at the #5 seed in the West right now. In the past 30+ years, every player who won MVP has been either the #1 or #2 seed in their conference (with the exception of Jordan in 88 and Malone in 99 who were the 3rd seed). That team has some work to do before he'll be considered.
Things change. Never had these circumstances before. Blake and cp3 canceling each other out, same with KD and little bitch, LeBron coasting, and high expectations from kawhi, I can see harden winning with the 4th or 5th seed. Could also depend on how derozan does. He's gotten a lot better, and I think that has taken teams by surprise. He will slow down significantly when teams adjust.

[StephHamann]

His playmaking is amazing ya fool :lol

No it's not cool to see him hold the ball for 20 seconds every posession

[tpols]

I don't think many people hate his personality. Just his play style. Nobody wants to watch a guy lock the defenders arms up with his to try to draw a foul every second play.

Btw, Rockets are at the #5 seed in the West right now. In the past 30+ years, every player who won MVP has been either the #1 or #2 seed in their conference (with the exception of Jordan in 88 and Malone in 99 who were the 3rd seed). That team has some work to do before he'll be considered.


Harden hasnt been flopping quite as much recently.. 10 free throws a game for a 30 ppg 10 apg volume offensive player isnt that far fetched at all..
For comparison's sake, Oscar Robertson used to get 11-12 FTs a game when he was averaging the same volume. it's just a silly stigma at this point.

[tpols]

D'antoni offense for westbrook = unstoppable.

Dantoni utilizes a euro based offense based on passing and extreme spacing. westbrook cant shoot so i dont think it would play out like that.. hes much better built for a defensive style game of bully ball.

which makes sense since OKC is a top 5 defense, w/ an awful offense despite playing at a high pace..

[Ben Simons]

Dantoni utilizes a euro based offense based on passing and extreme spacing. westbrook cant shoot so i dont think it would play out like that.. hes much better built for a defensive style game of bully ball.

which makes sense since OKC is a top 5 defense, w/ an awful offense despite playing at a high pace..
Westbrook would thrive in those D'Antoni fast breaks though.

[Pointguard]

I have Westbrook over Harden right now. Similar but slightly better stats, and similar but slightly better record.
The Beard definitely has better PG stats. His judgement of when to shoot and pass is much better along with creating for others. Harden has less talent and experience on his team.

[Bankaii]

Because he knows that he's a joke of a GM. :roll:
How is he a joke? How many teams can lose their 1st and 3rd best players and still be in playoff contention? Only the stacked ass Warriors.

Cavs without Bron/Love are a lottery team, same with Clippers without CP3/DJ, Spurs without Kawhi/Pau, etc...

[tpols]

The Beard definitely has better PG stats. His judgement of when to shoot and pass is much better along with creating for others. Harden has less talent and experience on his team.

Bingo..


Perfect change of pace as well while Russell just barrels around the court stuck on one gear.

[egokiller]

How is he a joke? How many teams can lose their 1st and 3rd best players and still be in playoff contention? Only the stacked ass Warriors.

Cavs without Bron/Love are a lottery team, same with Clippers without CP3/DJ, Spurs without Kawhi/Pau, etc...

Playoff contention? How many games into the season are we again?

[MiseryCityTexas]

Team record is 9-5...that's amazing with their roster.


These poeple on here are just cat fishing for ways to discredit Harden. "His record is bad though". You can tell just by the comments in this thread that these guys don't even watch Houston Rockets basketball. :facepalm :facepalm

[Bankaii]

Playoff contention? How many games into the season are we again?
Practically everyone with a brain has them in the top 6.
Out of the Lakers, Twolves, Suns, Nuggets, Kings, Pels, and Mavs which team are dumb enough to choose over OKC.
You're making yourself look really stupid right now.

[Smook A.]

Only boxscore nerds like Harden, he is boring as **** to watch.
Why does matter though? :oldlol: Tim Duncan was boring too, and look how great his career was. I'm not saying Harden will have a career like that, just saying that it doesn't matter if a player's style is boring or not. If the dude can ball, then he can ball. That's all that matters

[egokiller]

Practically everyone with a brain has them in the top 6.
Out of the Lakers, Twolves, Suns, Nuggets, Kings, Pels, and Mavs which team are dumb enough to choose over OKC.
You're making yourself look really stupid right now.

"Ya, they could have had KD, Harden and Westbrook on the same team as NBA champions, but Sam Presti isn't a joke because even with KD and Harden gone, they are the 6th best team in the west."

:roll:

[Smoke117]

Nah, Chris 'Point God' Paul is.

That a little guy like Chris Paul is such a ferocious defender only serves to further show how pathetic it is for Harden to be so shitty.

[Spurs m8]

Only boxscore nerds like Harden, he is boring as **** to watch.

This

[tpols]

Nah, Chris 'Point God' Paul is.

That a little guy like Chris Paul is such a ferocious defender only serves to further show how pathetic it is for Harden to be so shitty.


lmao.. he's barely MVP of his own team.

[Smoke117]

lmao.. he's barely MVP of his own team.

You doing okay, bro? I've noticed a rise in the cringe from you. Things okay at home? I always have a shoulder to lean on.

[tpols]

You doing okay, bro? I've noticed a rise in the cringe from you. Things okay at home? I always have a shoulder to lean on.


just trying to rustle your jimmies a bit..

[Smoke117]

just trying to rustle your jimmies a bit..

Well...you'll have to do a better job than that then because there isn't one person that knows basketball that thinks Blake Griffin is as valuable as CP3. Saying Paul is "barely mvp of his own team" just makes you look stupid.

[StephHamann]

Why does matter though? :oldlol: Tim Duncan was boring too, and look how great his career was. I'm not saying Harden will have a career like that, just saying that it doesn't matter if a player's style is boring or not. If the dude can ball, then he can ball. That's all that matters

He asked why nobody likes Harden and i gave him the answer.

[Orlando Magic]

He may win the award based on the criteria that people stretch yearly to fit whatever they feel like and whatever narrative is out there, but the actual MVP is LeBron. He has been for years. I'd make the argument that there have been maybe 10 actual real MVPs throughout the history of the league. The best player in the league doesn't fluctuate nearly as much as the voting does.

[Bankaii]

"Ya, they could have had KD, Harden and Westbrook on the same team as NBA champions, but Sam Presti isn't a joke because even with KD and Harden gone, they are the 6th best team in the west."

:roll:
Now you're dodging my original statement. And nice straw man.
Tell me what "joke of GM" as you put it can lose 2 top 6 players and still be in playoff contention? I'm waiting.
And I'm also still waiting on what team out that shit bunch will make it in the playoffs over OKC.

[iznogood]

Nah, Chris 'Point God' Paul is.

That a little guy like Chris Paul is such a ferocious defender only serves to further show how pathetic it is for Harden to be so shitty.
Chris Paul has not been an elite defender this year. He already gets easy assignments and when he has to guard a quick pointguard he's not working hard enough to stay in front. He gets called ballwatching on the weakside...he still does his amazing thing where he tricks people into thinking he doesn't know whatbthey intent to do and he gets hreat steals, but he's not been great on the ball.

As for his MVP candidacy, I do believe Blake is the most important guy on the team right now. Sure enough, Paul has willingly made an effort to let Blake be the facilitator, which is good for the tram.

[Smoke117]

Chris Paul has not been an elite defender this year. He already gets easy assignments and when he has to guard a quick pointguard he's not working hard enough to stay in front. He gets called ballwatching on the weakside...he still does his amazing thing where he tricks people into thinking he doesn't know whatbthey intent to do and he gets hreat steals, but he's not been great on the ball.

As for his MVP candidacy, I do believe Blake is the most important guy on the team right now. Sure enough, Paul has willingly made an effort to let Blake be the facilitator, which is good for the tram.

:kobe: You must not be watching very many Clippers games if you feel that way. He's not taking the tough assignment every night by design this season. The team is trying to keep him fresher for the playoffs after his two injuries the past two seasons. Also, Chris Paul is one of the best team/help defenders in the league, so I have no idea what you are watching.

[egokiller]

Now you're dodging my original statement. And nice straw man.
Tell me what "joke of GM" as you put it can lose 2 top 6 players and still be in playoff contention? I'm waiting.
And I'm also still waiting on what team out that shit bunch will make it in the playoffs over OKC.

No one is dodging anything. Your stance is:

"They could have had KD, Harden and Westbrook on the same team as NBA champions, but Sam Presti isn't a joke because even with KD and Harden gone, they are the 6th best team in the west."

:roll:

[MiseryCityTexas]

Only boxscore nerds like Harden, he is boring as **** to watch.

Shit like this was never said when he played in OKC :rolleyes:

[miggyme1]

show me a MVP winner who's team limped into the playoffs or missed it....sorry harden wont win MVP...its a historic season if he keeps it up but you gotta produce wins to win MVP.....that's what MVP means...not who has the best stats on a subpar team...but who means the most to a GREAT team. Next we gone be giving the defensive player of the year award to guys with the most fouls.lol...STOP IT.

[MiseryCityTexas]

show me a MVP winner who's team limped into the playoffs or missed it....sorry harden wont win MVP...its a historic season if he keeps it up but you gotta produce wins to win MVP.....that's what MVP means...not who has the best stats on a subpar team...but who means the most to a GREAT team. Next we gone be giving the defensive player of the year award to guys with the most fouls.lol...STOP IT.

You clowns weren't saying this crap when Durant was still in OKC injured, and Westbrook was putting up crazy numbers while missing the play-offs a couple of years ago. people were claiming that Westbrook was robbed of the MVP award.:facepalm A lot of you people in here are very selective when it comes to certain NBA players.:oldlol:

[iznogood]

:kobe: You must not be watching very many Clippers games if you feel that way. He's not taking the tough assignment every night by design this season. The team is trying to keep him fresher for the playoffs after his two injuries the past two seasons. Also, Chris Paul is one of the best team/help defenders in the league, so I have no idea what you are watching.
I've seen every Clippers game this year (including the ones from the preseason). This is the reason I feel pretty confident about what I'm saying.

I very well know Chris Pul is given easier assignments for a reason. This is the reason I don't think he should be described as a fierce defender this season. He's getting easy assignments and even performing those he's coasting. His help defense is great, but you shoudl examine closely what happens when he's guarding guys on the weak side and play away from the ball. And I'm not saying he shouldn't be coasting - I'm very happy that the Clippers are in a position where he's allowed to do this. But he shouldn't be labled as a fierce defender when he's hardly guarding any good player. And when he did have to guard them it seemes to me he struggled. He couldn't stay in front of Ty Lawson and Mike Conley. They didn't even need to use screen to attack him a couple of times. And it didn't look like he wasn't trying. I do feel like he's regressed physically since the last season. So no, I don't think his defense is a difference maker when I'm thinking about wether he's an MVP level player this year or not. And this is not to bash Chris Paul, he's literally my favourite player in the league for a long time. I just dont think he's that good right now.

[Smoke117]

I've seen every Clippers game this year (including the ones from the preseason). This is the reason I feel pretty confident about what I'm saying.

I very well know Chris Pul is given easier assignments for a reason. This is the reason I don't think he should be described as a fierce defender this season. He's getting easy assignments and even performing those he's coasting. His help defense is great, but you shoudl examine closely what happens when he's guarding guys on the weak side and play away from the ball. And I'm not saying he shouldn't be coasting - I'm very happy that the Clippers are in a position where he's allowed to do this. But he shouldn't be labled as a fierce defender when he's hardly guarding any good player. And when he did have to guard them it seemes to me he struggled. He couldn't stay in front of Ty Lawson and Mike Conley. They didn't even need to use screen to attack him a couple of times. And it didn't look like he wasn't trying. I do feel like he's regressed physically since the last season. So no, I don't think his defense is a difference maker when I'm thinking about wether he's an MVP level player this year or not. And this is not to bash Chris Paul, he's literally my favourite player in the league for a long time. I just dont think he's that good right now.

You are overrating one on one defense. Help/team defensive is much more important in the grand scope of things and he's one of the best in the league in this regards. A great help/team defender will have a bigger impact on the team's overall defense than a great one on one defensive player. This isn't just you, though. Too many people undervalue team/help defense and overrate one on one defense. The reason Scottie Pippen and Jason Kidd were so dominant wasn't because of their one one one defense (which they were great at anyway), but because of what devastating team/help defenders they are. They were always EVERYWHERE. Chris is the same way, but in a smaller package. He's like an annoying gnat.

[miggyme1]

You clowns weren't saying this crap when Durant was still in OKC injured, and Westbrook was putting up crazy numbers while missing the play-offs a couple of years ago. people were claiming that Westbrook was robbed of the MVP award.:facepalm A lot of you people in here are very selective when it comes to certain NBA players.:oldlol:



you clowns???? u must be referring to somebody else so I wont even continue to respond to your half baked response.

[Bankaii]

No one is dodging anything. Your stance is:

"They could have had KD, Harden and Westbrook on the same team as NBA champions, but Sam Presti isn't a joke because even with KD and Harden gone, they are the 6th best team in the west."

:roll:
You're either retarded or illiterate.
I see why you lied about being a Cleveland fan at the parade, if you told the truth about anything you'd expose yourself as the giant loser you are.:oldlol:

[iznogood]

You are overrating one on one defense. Help/team defensive is much more important in the grand scope of things and he's one of the best in the league in this regards. A great help/team defender will have a bigger impact on the team's overall defense than a great one on one defensive player. This isn't just you, though. Too many people undervalue team/help defense and overrate one on one defense. The reason Scottie Pippen and Jason Kidd were so dominant wasn't because of their one one one defense (which they were great at anyway), but because of what devastating team/help defenders they are. They were always EVERYWHERE. Chris is the same way, but in a smaller package. He's like an annoying gnat.
I'm not overtaking one on one defense, it's just that Paul used to be a much better one on one defender in my opinion. And while I agree on the importance of team defense, a 5'11 guy doesn't have the impact the bigger guys have.

I also think we shouldn't undervalue the importance of one one one defense. If the Clippers make it to the finals and Paul is going to have to deal with a guy like Kyrie, it's going to be pretty tough. He was torching everyone on the Warriors and Klay and Steph are both good on ball defenders.

[miggyme1]

I'm not overtaking one on one defense, it's just that Paul used to be a much better one on one defender in my opinion. And while I agree on the importance of team defense, a 5'11 guy doesn't have the impact the bigger guys have.

I also think we shouldn't undervalue the importance of one one one defense. If the Clippers make it to the finals and Paul is going to have to deal with a guy like Kyrie, it's going to be pretty tough. He was torching everyone on the Warriors and Klay and Steph are both good on ball defenders.


well of course there is no one that can stop kyrie but I mean can kyrie stop paul???? so in a way they cancel each other out. id like to see the clips in the finals...they finally seem to have a complete team....took them a decade to do it but finally.lol....

[stalkerforlife]

He may win the award based on the criteria that people stretch yearly to fit whatever they feel like and whatever narrative is out there, but the actual MVP is LeBron. He has been for years. I'd make the argument that there have been maybe 10 actual real MVPs throughout the history of the league. The best player in the league doesn't fluctuate nearly as much as the voting does.

Then why did he have to collude two separate times to form super teams in a historically weak conference?

The best player doesn't do that; the best player would never do that.

You're blind.

[stalkerforlife]

Nah, Chris 'Point God' Paul is.

That a little guy like Chris Paul is such a ferocious defender only serves to further show how pathetic it is for Harden to be so shitty.

Paul and Blake obviously cancel each other out.

Just like Curry and Durant.

Just like Bran and his two prime superstars at all times.

Harden is working with the least and SHOULD easily be the MVP, just like Kobe was easily the real MVP in 06.

[ShawkFactory]

Paul and Blake obviously cancel each other out.

Just like Curry and Durant.

Just like Bran and his two prime superstars at all times.

Harden is working with the least and SHOULD easily be the MVP, just like Kobe was easily the real MVP in 06.
Just because you have less doesn't automatically make you a better/more valuable player.

[stalkerforlife]

Just because you have less doesn't automatically make you a better/more valuable player.

It automatically makes you more valuable because without you, your team would turn to utter shit.

Without Harden, Rockets lose 60+.

[ShawkFactory]

It automatically makes you more valuable because without you, your team would turn to utter shit.

Without Harden, Rockets lose 60+.
So? Several other players could make the rockets similarly good. Lebron or KD would make them even better.

A players value isn't determined by his teammates, or in this case a lack of them. Just because he got lucky (or unlucky) to be in this situation doesn't make him MVP. If his numbers stay like this for 82 games then maybe but no way that happens.

[pedromarinho]

Paul and Blake obviously cancel each other out.

Just like Curry and Durant.

Just like Bran and his two prime superstars at all times.

Harden is working with the least and SHOULD easily be the MVP, just like Kobe was easily the real MVP in 06.
Paul and Blake cancel each other? wtf

[stalkerforlife]

Paul and Blake cancel each other? wtf

What's so hard to understand?

Blake is a top 6 or 7 MVP candidate.

[Wally450]

If they win 50+ games he will, easily. The stats will be there.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

If they win 50+ games he will, easily. The stats will be there.

Someone doesn't know how MVP voting works. He won't win unless Rockets are a top 2 seed in the conference and even then there's still a strong chance he will lose like in 2015 if one of the other top 3 teams has too many more wins.

:oldlol:

[iznogood]

well of course there is no one that can stop kyrie but I mean can kyrie stop paul???? so in a way they cancel each other out. id like to see the clips in the finals...they finally seem to have a complete team....took them a decade to do it but finally.lol....
The Cavs might even not have Kyrie guard Chris Paul. Paul struggled greatly against Roberson and Oladipo and I think teams will try to have bigger guys guard him. And I feel like Kyrie and Chris Paul don't just cancel each other out. Kyrie right now demands much more attention on defense. Chris Paul just doesn't have the same quickness and doesn't get to the rim that easy in my opinion.

[Ben Simons]

Someone doesn't know how MVP voting works. He won't win unless Rockets are a top 2 seed in the conference and even then there's still a strong chance he will lose like in 2015 if one of the other top 3 teams has too many more wins.

:oldlol:
This. 50 is not usually enough to crack the top 2 in the conference either.

[Wally450]

Someone doesn't know how MVP voting works. He won't win unless Rockets are a top 2 seed in the conference and even then there's still a strong chance he will lose like in 2015 if one of the other top 3 teams has too many more wins.

:oldlol:

If this whole thing about announcing MVP after the Finals is true, then that actually hurt Harden more :lol. D'Antoni teams don't have success in the Finals.

We'll see though, hopefully they surprise people.