Why couldn't Wade/Bosh ever produce the way Kyrie/Love are producing now??

[Dray n Klay]

Wade and Bosh were 10 time all stars, while Kyrie/Love are only 3 time all stars, so they should've been better

[Dray n Klay]

Or was it because Wade/Bosh weren't elite shooters?

[Lebronxrings]

wade wanted to be the 1st option and destroyed the flow of the offense because of his reliance on being on-ball only. Bosh was what he was- a slightly above average forward in the east.

[FatComputerNerd]

Wade was too much like Lebron, and wasn't an elite shooter like Kyrie, as has been said.

Bosh > Love IMO. Pretty much just as good of a shooter (or close) but better defense, no?

[Dray n Klay]

Wade was too much like Lebron.

Bosh > Love IMO. Pretty much just as good of a shooter but better defense, no?

lol Bosh was an average 3 point shooter at best

[JT123]

Lebron spoiled them with his greatness and they got lazy. Thankfully Kyrie and Love know that they still have a lot to prove. :applause:

[FatComputerNerd]

I remember Bosh being money from 18 feet or so.

Don't think he took a lot of threes, but remember him making them when he did.

[Hey Yo]

Wade was too much like Lebron, and wasn't an elite shooter like Kyrie, as has been said.
Wade missed 58 reg. season games the last 3yrs those 2 played together. James carried the team during the reg. season and went onto lead the team in MP,points, rebounds and assists the following 3 postseasons.


Bosh > Love IMO. Pretty much just as good of a shooter (or close) but better defense, no?

K.Love shows willingness to bang down low for rebounds, post up and take it to the rack when the time presents itself. Bosh didn't do that in Miami and specified he wouldn't do so.

[Hey Yo]

Lebron spoiled them with his greatness and they got lazy. Thankfully Kyrie and Love know that they still have a lot to prove. :applause:
:applause:


see my post above

[Dragonyeuw]

1)Wade's per 36 stats in 2011 across the board are better than Kyrie's, and that's not taking into account that Lebron wasn't ceding offensively in 2011 like he is now. Wade's scoring dipped as he left his prime. Kyrie is on the crux of entering his in the next year or so.

This is the first year that Lebron (thus far) hasn't led his team in scoring, his lowest scoring( thus far) since his rookie year, and the first time he's had two other teammates averaging over 20( thus far) in a year. He's 32 and 14 seasons in the league. The offense is being re-balanced to allow Lebron to play the facilitator role but still get 23-24 a night. This was predicted before the year started and is bearing out. I expect Lebron's volume to increase during the playoffs but for now, the Cavs are so much better than everyone else in the east that he doesn't have to go all out over 82 games.

2) Kevin Love is better offensively than Bosh. Stretches the floor better( though Bosh became adept at that but not to the same extent), and a better post game. Was always a better rebounder. His role is now clearly defined in the offensive system compared to the first 2 years. Not hard to figure out.

[Lebron23]

Cause Lebron is coasting right now.

[Father Prime]

26/6/5 in 2011 :confusedshrug:

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[BigKAT]

Cause Lebron is coasting right now.

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If you think 29 years old Lebron lets Wade/Bosh outscore him you don't know the guy.

Prime Lebron takes those shots.
Saving-himself-for-the-playoff Lebron is content being a Point-forward putting 22/9/9 every night.

[Papaya Petee]

:wtf:
2011 Wade averaged 26/6/5/2/1 on 50% from the field on great defense while playing with a Prime Lebron who was gunning for points unlike now.

[Dragonyeuw]

:wtf:
2011 Wade averaged 26/6/5/2/1 on 50% from the field on great defense while playing with a Prime Lebron who was gunning for points unlike now.

Exactly. Wade put up 26ppg plus strong numbers in rebounds, assists AND elite defense, and wasn't playing with a Lebron basically conserving himself for the playoffs.

[FatComputerNerd]

Wade missed 58 reg. season games the last 3yrs those 2 played together. James carried the team during the reg. season and went onto lead the team in MP,points, rebounds and assists the following 3 postseasons.


K.Love shows willingness to bang down low for rebounds, post up and take it to the rack when the time presents itself. Bosh didn't do that in Miami and specified he wouldn't do so.

True, and good point. Bosh was already getting older by then though. He put up decent (maybe not k-love level but decent) rebounding #'s for the bulk of his career. By the time he was in Miami he was already a roleplayer really.

Love is a young buck still in his prime, so of course he's going to be more willing to bang, and is going to grab more rebounds, post up more, etc.

I still think (this comes from a Cavs fan too) Prime Bosh > K-Love. That doesn't mean Bosh would be a better fit for this Cavs team though either.

[tpols]

True, and good point. Bosh was already getting older by then though. He put up decent (maybe not k-love level but decent) rebounding #'s for the bulk of his career. By the time he was in Miami he was already a roleplayer really.

Love is a young buck still in his prime, so of course he's going to be more willing to bang, and is going to grab more rebounds, post up more, etc.

I still think (this comes from a Cavs fan too) Prime Bosh > K-Love. That doesn't mean Bosh would be a better fit for this Cavs team though either.


The biggest difference between Chris bosh and Kevin love is the heat needed bosh to space the floor extra because of both wade and lebrons inabilities to keep defenses honest outside. On the Cavs kyrie provides so much spacing as second option they can afford to let love work in the midrange more.. And its a shame because bosh's midrange game was elite.

[Rocketswin2013]

It's almost as if he doesn't have two relatively incomplete players as his 2nd and 3rd options who also happened to get old quickly.


I still think (this comes from a Cavs fan too) Prime Bosh > K-Love. That doesn't mean Bosh would be a better fit for this Cavs team though either.I disagree, but Bosh had his strengths. Best PNR defending big man in the league for 3 years and it wasn't close. Small-ball worked defensively for a reason.