Damn I guess Kristaps Porzingis was the right pick over Jah

[GOBB]

:facepalm

Porz and Embiid would have been a sick duo. People who watch Porz more than me what is he struggling with? Needs to improve?

[FKAri]

I'm not writing Jah off yet. He might not be Porzingis level but he was the right pick at 3 given what was known and he's better than what he's shown thus far this season. Dude's in a horrible situation.

As for KP. He has shown great improvement in the areas he needed to improve in. He still needs to continue on some of those things.

Things to improve:
-strength
-boxing out
-cut down some poor fouling habits like jumping on ball fakes too often
-establishing position and calling for the ball once he has it (though sometimes he does this and just doesn't get the ball cuz he has Rose and Melo on his team which in turn leads him to doing it less-but he should keep doing it)
-get to the line when the shots not falling

Some people are going to come in and talk about how his defense has been worse than last year but those people need to see how he's being used differently than last year. KP cannot be expected to cover his man at the 3pt line AND the guy driving to the paint at the same time off of PnR's. The defense has to rotate.

[GOBB]

I'm not writing Jah off yet. He might not be Porzingis level but he was the right pick at 3 given what was known and he's better than what he's shown thus far this season. Dude's in a horrible situation.

As for KP. He has shown great improvement in the areas he needed to improve in. He still needs to continue on some of those things.

Things to improve:
-strength
-boxing out
-cut down some poor fouling habits like jumping on ball fakes too often
-establishing position and calling for the ball once he has it (though sometimes he does this and just doesn't get the ball cuz he has Rose and Melo on his team which in turn leads him to doing it less-but he should keep doing it)
-get to the line when the shots not falling

Interesting, I was wondering the foul thing looking over his stats.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Jahlil is a really good player, just got drafted into the worst possible situation with Embiid being the better player at his position, his injury last year, and now the minute restrictions

You can tell how Jahlil felt About the organization with his body language in the summer

Made absolutely zero sense to draft him and they are wasting his time honestly. Dudes a true C

[Milbuck]

I'm not writing Jah off yet. He might not be Porzingis level but he was the right pick at 3 given what was known and he's better than what he's shown thus far this season. Dude's in a horrible situation.

Nah. There were many scouts, FO executives, draft experts saying Porzingis was the much better talent. There were some who even said he was the best talent of the draft and had more upside than KAT. There were multiple reports that Hinkie LOVED Porzingis and wanted him, but ownership pushed for Okafor.

[bluechox2]

porzingis needs to get stronger, he gets bodied and get the rebound taken away sometimes...

[GOBB]

Jahlil is a really good player, just got drafted into the worst possible situation with Embiid being the better player at his position, his injury last year, and now the minute restrictions

You can tell how Jahlil felt About the organization with his body language in the summer

Made absolutely zero sense to draft him and they are wasting his time honestly. Dudes a true C

They went BPA at 3 who happened to play the same position as Noel/Embiid. I get why they did it given their drafting in the Hinkie era has been BPA over position. Hopefully we can move Jah for something good. If he can develop a consistent jumper he would be nice offensively to go with his back to the basket game.

[AI09]

People seem to forget both Hinkie and ownership wanted Kristaps, Hinkie even waited a few hours to meet with him but Kristaps agent/camp refused to meet with Sam they even refused to give him his medical history. Porzingis wanted to be a knick made it clear if Philly drafted him he would stay overseas or force a trade.

[FKAri]

Nah. There were many scouts, FO executives, draft experts saying Porzingis was the much better talent. There were some who even said he was the best talent of the draft and had more upside than KAT. There were multiple reports that Hinkie LOVED Porzingis and wanted him, but ownership pushed for Okafor.
Sure in hindsight but Jah was a safe bet and Philly needed that with Embiid in limbo at the time. They not only got insurance but a tradeable asset since, if the conventional wisdom would be believed, Porzingis was a raw project who would have been harder to deal.

Euro players are tough to predict because scouts don't understand the Europe to NBA transition as well as the NCAA to NBA transition. For example remember they showed how Embiid performed on the right block at 10 feet out compared to Hakeem in college and how he had a similar output. There is so much data to extrapolate to make accurate predictions. Meanwhile Euro scouting is in the stone ages simply because there isn't much historical precedent and on top of that it's a professional league where these young guys aren't features so they get even less data. Porzingis in his rookie year and even now is outplaying even the most optimistic projections. That "high ceiling" is looking more and more attainable by the day.


People seem to forget both Hinkie and ownership wanted Kristaps, Hinkie even waited a few hours to meet with him but Kristaps agent/camp refused to meet with Sam they even refused to give him his medical history. Porzingis wanted to be a knick made it clear if Philly drafted him he would stay overseas or force a trade.
To be fair there was similar resistance from the Okafor camp.

[AI09]

Sure in hindsight but Jah was a safe bet and Philly needed that with Embiid in limbo at the time. They not only got insurance but a tradeable asset since, if the conventional wisdom would be believed, Porzingis was a raw project who would have been harder to deal.

Euro players are tough to predict because scouts don't understand the Europe to NBA transition as well as the NCAA to NBA transition. For example remember they showed how Embiid performed on the right block at 10 feet out compared to Hakeem in college and how he had a similar output. There is so much data to extrapolate to make accurate predictions. Meanwhile Euro scouting is in the stone ages simply because there isn't much historical precedent and on top of that it's a professional league where these young guys aren't features so they get even less data. Porzingis in his rookie year and even now is outplaying even the most optimistic projections. That "high ceiling" is looking more and more attainable by the day.


To be fair there was similar resistance from the Okafor camp.


That's true but with Noel missing his rookie year and at the time embiid and saric about to miss their 2nd years they couldn't take the gamble. I personally would've traded pick 3 to the Knicks for pick 4 plus filler since knicks were high on Okafor at the time

[wally_world]

No idea why Sixers aren't using Jah more. I know they plan on moving him, but it wouldn't hurt increasing his trade value.

Russell, KP, Booker (in hindsight) would all have been better picks

[FreezingTsmoove]

No idea why Sixers aren't using Jah more. I know they plan on moving him, but it wouldn't hurt increasing his trade value.

Russell, KP, Booker (in hindsight) would all have been better picks

Minutes restriction coming off injury

[Styles p]

Minutes restriction coming off injury

his minutes aren't restricted anymore, brett brown is just a retard and doesn't even try to play embiid and jah together at all.

[Dr Seuss]

da fuq, gobb?

are you just realizing this? :lol

[ClipperRevival]

Nah. There were many scouts, FO executives, draft experts saying Porzingis was the much better talent. There were some who even said he was the best talent of the draft and had more upside than KAT. There were multiple reports that Hinkie LOVED Porzingis and wanted him, but ownership pushed for Okafor.

Hindsight is 20/20. There are always guys like Porzingis that has unreal measurable but raw as hell. Most don't pan out. So just because he did doesn't mean Philly did the wrong thing. They absolutely made the right pick at the time. Picking Porzingis would've been viewed as a gamble. Even the Knicks taking Porzingis was viewed as a gamble. Do you not recall Knick fans booing like crazy?

[smoovegittar]

:facepalm

Porz and Embiid would have been a sick duo. People who watch Porz more than me what is he struggling with? Needs to improve?

His biggest struggle is convincing Melo that HE should have the ball more often, IMO.

Once Melo's gone, we'll see what his ceiling really is.

[NA2126]

Hindsight is 20/20. There are always guys like Porzingis that has unreal measurable but raw as hell. Most don't pan out. So just because he did doesn't mean Philly did the wrong thing. They absolutely made the right pick at the time. Picking Porzingis would've been viewed as a gamble. Even the Knicks taking Porzingis was viewed as a gamble. Do you not recall Knick fans booing like crazy?

Knicks fans would've boo'd any pick made by the organization that day, regardless of who it was. Even if it were Michael Jordan 2.0

[CJ Mustard]

Glad I was on record saying Porzingis is better than Okafor before the draft. Foresight like that really separates the knowledgeable, informed posters from the rest of the pack.

[keep-itreal]

He needs to get traded.

No point in staying when Embiid is on the team.

[DaHeezy]

Jah is the best post scorer in the game given the chance. But he won't be a better center than Embiid.

Having said that with minute restrictions lifted they should let Okafor go off. Who cares if Embiid is on the floor at the same time. The guys they picked up at stretch 4 or extending play are just horrible shooter ATM. Free Jah and dangle him for trade bait. Increase his stock. Brown and management are stupid for not looking at it from that angle.

[Milbuck]

Hindsight is 20/20. There are always guys like Porzingis that has unreal measurable but raw as hell. Most don't pan out. So just because he did doesn't mean Philly did the wrong thing. They absolutely made the right pick at the time. Picking Porzingis would've been viewed as a gamble. Even the Knicks taking Porzingis was viewed as a gamble. Do you not recall Knick fans booing like crazy?
Porzingis wasn't raw as hell though. His jumpshot was smooth as butter and he was showing advanced ball skills for a guy his size. The whole reason people were blown away by his workouts was because of the skill level he showed to go with his measurables. Draft workouts can be misleading in that you don't know how it will translate to the NBA, but Porzingis' talent level was immediately obvious. And even outside the workouts, people were highly intrigued by him well before it...even a year before his draft Rob Hennigan of Orlando desperately wanted him to declare for the 2014 draft because he knew if he pushed it to the 2015 draft he'd be a top pick.

Knicks fans booing only shows how retarded those Knicks fans were. Again, Porzingis was not some random prospect or some big gamble. Anyone who actually followed that draft closely knew how crazy talented Porzingis was.

[ClipperRevival]

Porzingis wasn't raw as hell though. His jumpshot was smooth as butter and he was showing advanced ball skills for a guy his size. The whole reason people were blown away by his workouts was because of the skill level he showed to go with his measurables. Draft workouts can be misleading in that you don't know how it will translate to the NBA, but Porzingis' talent level was immediately obvious. And even outside the workouts, people were highly intrigued by him well before it...even a year before his draft Rob Hennigan of Orlando desperately wanted him to declare for the 2014 draft because he knew if he pushed it to the 2015 draft he'd be a top pick.

Knicks fans booing only shows how retarded those Knicks fans were. Again, Porzingis was not some random prospect or some big gamble. Anyone who actually followed that draft closely knew how crazy talented Porzingis was.

He definitely showed rare fluidity and light feet for a man his size. But he was still viewed as somewhat of a gamble by many because of the unknown. But I agree that some viewed him as having the highest ceiling.

[smoovegittar]

Knicks fans booing only shows how retarded those Knicks fans were.


Most Knick fans didn't have a clue who he was. Remembering the Frederic Weis debacle, I booed the pick as well. It doesn't make us "retarded", only un-informed.

[JohnnySic]

Trade Okafor to Boston.

[AngelEyes]

He definitely showed rare fluidity and light feet for a man his size. But he was still viewed as somewhat of a gamble by many because of the unknown. But I agree that some viewed him as having the highest ceiling.

He was unknown to the casual fan. To professional scouts he was not not nearly as unknown. It's up to the franchise to scout these players and find the best talent available and I don't buy for a second that Porzingis was some huge gamble and that some of these other guys were "safe" picks. People at the time were saying Winslow and Mudiay were safe and it turns out those guys are horrendous shooters and they may never be more than good role players.

[coin24]

Jah is the best post scorer in the game given the chance. But he won't be a better center than Embiid.

Having said that with minute restrictions lifted they should let Okafor go off. Who cares if Embiid is on the floor at the same time. The guys they picked up at stretch 4 or extending play are just horrible shooter ATM. Free Jah and dangle him for trade bait. Increase his stock. Brown and management are stupid for not looking at it from that angle.


Are you really surprised?

Brown is a moron and the organisation have proved year after year how inept and clueless they are..

They should have traded okafor in the offseason, and definitely should be showcasing him now and move him before the deadline..

[noob cake]

Zingis is probably better, but Okafor might be the most mistreated high draft pick in recent memory. He was never given a chance on the Sixers.

When he was drafted, he was meant for a stop gap for Embiid. He had to play with Noel clogging up the lane, being a non-factor on offense. This year, he only spot minutes when Embiid is taking a breather.

Sixers needs to let Okafor go. Players don't develop when you treat them as an afterthought. Okafor needs love, dedication and development from another team. Okafor is only 20 year old, but he might be the most advanced post scorer in the game already.