The 2017 off-season...Hayward, Hill, Ingles...?

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2697716-the-10-nba-free-agents-most-likely-to-be-overpaid-in-2017-offseason


Hill isn't signing on for $15 million per year. (Even then, the Jazz would be hard-pressed to evade the tax.) Goran Dragic, Lowry and Paul are the only players who clear 17 points per game while rivaling his assist (23.2) and three-point (41.2) percentages.

While he isn't a prototypical superstar, Hill's next deal, whoever it's from, is going to pay him like one.

Outside Team to Watch: Denver Nuggets

I don't see him going to the Nets for more money. He will take less money to be on one of the top teams. The Nuggets could make some sense. They are close to where the Jazz were a year ago



As the Jazz spend elsewhere, presumably on Hayward and Hill, don't be surprised if Ingles' offer sheets creep into mid-eight figures per year.
See ya! Would suck to see him go the Rockets but if they want to spend 15 million a year on him go for it!

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http://www.slcdunk.com/2017/5/30/15681578/2017-nba-draft-rumors-tyler-lydon-syracuse-utah-jazz-orange-mock-draft

[QUOTE]Lydon does not seem like a

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/05/30/former-jazzman-c-j-miles-opts-player-option-utah-jazz-pursue/

[QUOTE]He

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Denver Nuggets forward Danilo Gallinari intends to pass on the $16.1 million player option on his 2017-18 contract and become an unrestricted free agent this summer, league sources told The Vertical.

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/05/30/utah-jazz-field-potential-gordon-hayward-replacements-riddled-imperfection/


Here are the Top 3 small forwards (as I see it) that will be available and the good, the bad and the ugly that each option brings to the table.

Probably better to try to replace him with multiple players than just one. Despite the hype the Jazz were not deep which we saw against GS especially. Put a better overall team around Rudy.


Rudy Gay (Opt-out)

How does he fit other than as a possible bench piece?

[QUOTE]And while he was a legitimate threat from three-point range last season, his career number is 34.5 percent from that range. League average has hovered around 35 percent since the 1999-00 season, and there

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/05/30/utah-jazz-can-joel-bolomboy-make-impact-2017-18/


With his rookie season now in the books, Utah Jazz forward Joel Bolomboy will have to earn his rotational minutes for next season.

Like Lyles and Exum did?

[QUOTE]Unless the team moves him by October 1, his deal will become fully-guaranteed for next season. The brunt of his salary (over $450k per *********) is already guaranteed, so he

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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246097/Blazers-Willing-To-Attach-First-Round-Pick-To-Dump-Salary

Harkless was one of the guys the Jazz wanted last summer I believe. Could be Hayward's replacement if he leaves or back him up if he stays.

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865681038/Mehic-Gordon-Hayward-can-make-Utah-a-stepping-stone-or-permanent-home.html

[QUOTE]the Jazz have to live with the reality of the situation: the difference in money probably won

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http://www.slcdunk.com/2017/5/31/15683902/2017-nba-draft-terrance-ferguson-nbl-utah-jazz-mock-draft-mcdonalds-all-american


Fortunately for us, Dennis Lindsay has a great track record when it comes to the draft. This started when he was with the Spurs and continues now.

Burke, Exum, Lyles...

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http://www.slcdunk.com/2017/6/1/15707624/2017-nba-draft-profile-jonathan-jeanne-utah-jazz-mock-draft

[QUOTE]He

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http://www.slcdunk.com/2017/5/31/15703104/2017-nba-draft-prospect-profile-anzejs-pasecniks-utah-jazz-mock-draft


I think Utah needs someone in that spot who is able to contribute immediately

dream on. Hood didn't start to come on until the end of his rookie year and he was old

[QUOTE] If he

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[QUOTE]If you

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[QUOTE]Jordan Schultz‏: Per a source, #Lakers are not just

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[QUOTE]Adrian Wojnarowski: The Sacramento Kings have waived Anthony Tolliver, league sources tell @The Vertical.

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Andy Larsen: Jazz will hold another draft workout Saturday, including Vanderbilt center Luke Kornet. I

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[QUOTE]Nathan Sobey, who enjoyed a breakout 2016-17 NBL season with Adelaide, has received invitations from four separate NBA teams to participate in free agent mini-camps; the Brooklyn Nets, Utah Jazz, Los Angeles Clippers and a fourth team who has requested not to be named at this time.

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[QUOTE]Johnson started 77 games for Boston, but was the starter in only nine of the team

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5355423-155/monson-dante-exum-where-are-you


You know as well as anybody, the biggest question facing the Jazz, other than the retention of Gordon Hayward, is this: Who's going to play point guard next season?

There are a lot of layers here, with your own status among them.

Better not be Dante is all I can say!


Or do they let him go and sign some fancy-passing dude out of Serbia who can run the team but not play much defense?

He'll be a back-up if anything


But you got to understand, the Jazz, especially if they keep Hayward, are far past the days of patience and tolerance and nannying young players. They need results, not any kind of Romper Room, particularly at such an important position.

It should have been that way all along. That's why you have guys like Hood and Exum that think they are a lot better than they really are. Make guys prove themselves and work for it like Bolomboy is

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http://saltcityhoops.com/hayward-watch-part-iii-utahs-case-revolves-around-gobert-the-teamss-progress/


It would be unfair to Hayward, Derrick Favors and even coach Quin Snyder to say that Gobert has created a winning culture in Utah

not really. I can see them being Orlando right now if they hadn't gotten lucky with him
[QUOTE]
If he joined San Antonio, he wouldn

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http://www.slcdunk.com/2017/6/2/15708386/2017-nba-draft-profile-isaiah-hartenstein-utah-jazz-germany

[QUOTE]a decent wingspan of 7

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/01/recent-kevin-durant-development-spell-bad-news-utah-jazz-years-come/


Jeff Van Gundy recently said that he sees nothing preventing the Warriors from making it to eight to ten straight NBA Finals and as preposterous as that might sound on the surface, if this roster is able to stay together without the financial screws falling off, it very well could be the case.

Be tough to do. regardless. What are the chances that they stay healthy? Durant got hurt this year. Don't get bored? Too cocky? Kobe and Shaq should have won for years but egos got the best of them eventually. The game changes. Maybe the league will start playing big like the Jazz again and GS has to try to adapt? I think if the Jazz are really going to spend money and can get say Millsap and Hill they could make it interesting next season.

[QUOTE] the Jazz have made it clear that their rebuild period is over. They traded for a veteran point guard in George Hill last offseason. They inked Rudy Gobert to a lucrative extension. They

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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246116/NBA-Continues-To-Seek-Increase-Of-Age-Limit

18 makes the most sense. Leave college to student athletes. Leave the D-league to young guys that want to play basketball

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Rudy Gobert: When you get

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Wearing a grey Jazz hat, a jacket and pants, Jazz forward Boris Diaw is currently on quite an adventure

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44476469&nid=304&title=jazz-games-to-be-available-via-online-streaming-in-utah-for-2017-18-season

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[QUOTE]Schlenk said one of his top priorities is bringing back Millsap, a four-time All-Star who opted out of the final year of his contract.

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http://www.slcdunk.com/2017/6/3/15682330/2017-nba-draft-profile-rodions-kurucs-utah-jazz-latvia


the Jazz need to draft a guy that can contribute, even if only for a few minutes a night, this season.

How likely is that? The only guy that really looked ready by the end of his rookie year was Hood and he went to college for 4 years.

[QUOTE]Draft n

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/02/utah-jazz-could-benefit-from-cp3-to-spurs-but-it-probably-wouldnt-matter/

[QUOTE]Still the fact remains that they are the only team that

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http://www.slcdunk.com/2017/6/3/15710148/2017-nba-draft-profile-jawun-evans-utah-jazz-prospect-oklahoma-state-cowboys-ok-state


Jawun Evans is undersized. In today’s NBA point guards are commonly in the 6’3”-6’4” range. Evans is just under 6’0” in shoes. No matter how tough Evans plays defense he will almost always be giving up size to the man he’s guarding. Opposing players will be able to shoot over him whether he’s guarding his man or switched onto an ever bigger player.

Need to tell us his length before you say that. Height really means litle


Point guard is the largest area of emphasis for the Jazz this summer. Evans won’t be a plug and play starter, at least not as a rookie. Utah only has two point guards on the books at the moment but they’d be happy to re-sign George Hill and Quin Snyder’s love for Shelvin Mack can’t be expunged by something as trivial as unrestricted free agency. PLUS the Jazz are rumored to be looking at PG Miloš Teodosić from overseas. All things considered it doesn’t seem that there would be space available for Evans in the upcoming roster if Dennis Lindsey has his way.

You already have Neto, Exum and Wallace though the latter two could play on the wing with their length. I'd say after center they could take about anyone really or no one.


Not draft Jawun Evans because our point guard concerns can’t be addressed late in the first round of the draft.

Don't think any need can other than filling out the Stars roster

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The Jazz own the 42nd and 55th picks in the second round as well.

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http://www.slcdunk.com/2017/6/4/15736064/2017-nba-draft-profile-harry-giles-utah-jazz-duke-university-quin-snyder-rodney-hood-mock-draft

[QUOTE]Unproven Joel Bolomboy has the potential to follow Rudy off the bench. Jeff Withey may be an option, but there

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/04/latest-nba-trade-rumors-affect-utah-jazz/


the Detroit Pistons are open to trading their 12th pick in the NBA Draft, preferably for a veteran that could make an instant impact. This happens to sound absolutely identical to what the Utah Jazz did last season when they turned their very own 12th pick into George Hill.

Except the Jazz had cap space to take Hill


[QUOTE]If Utah were interested in that pick, they have some veterans that could perhaps fit the ticket such as Alec Burks, Derrick Favors or Rodney Hood, who is young but comes on a very friendly contract. In reality, though, I suspect that Utah won

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/04/utah-jazz-2016-17-player-review-george-hill/


Now many within Jazz Nation have been desiring to sign Deron Williams or Milos Teodosic and turn the keys over to Dante Exum, or go for the big fish like Chris Paul or Kyle Lowry in free agency.

Those guys as back-ups makes sense nothing else does. I'd be happy if Exum could defend and hit an open 3. He could start at the 2. If doesn't do those things he needs to be traded before he becomes a free agent

[QUOTE]If the price is right and if he doesn

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/04/utah-jazz-should-trade-one-or-both-first-round-picks/


dangling both of those picks out there on the trading block should absolutely be a part of the strategy.

should always be. Move up. move down. move out. move in. Whatever makes the team better now and for the future. Only one guy that has been previewed on slcdunk has interested me so far


they could also be used to sweeten the pot in a trade that sends someone like Alec Burks out the door for the Jazz while alleviating themselves of his cumbersome salary.

What is it that you don't get about damaged goods? They have cap space. They have young guys that aren't hurt and owed 20 million over two years.

On a side note, either of Utah

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https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/2017/06/04/where-are-they-now-donyell-marshall/



my first couple years in the NBA was a little different, but then once I got to Utah and Karl [Malone] and John [Stockton] helped me, and then, and helped me turn my career around

He was great here. It's too bad that in typical Jazz fashion they let him go because they were cheap and replaced him with Harpring. Harpring was good too but they could have still been really good with both of them instead of just one.



If you look at my two years in Utah, I shot 50 percent from the floor. You know, even though John was the guy there, I was the second leading scorer on the team.

He was their best low post scorer while Karl shot his fade away 20 footers. Funny he became known for shooting the 3 after he left.

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/05/three-things-that-would-have-to-happen-for-utah-jazz-to-compete-with-gsw/


[QUOTE]Although many had predicted that Utah

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Front-office executives agree that college is a better path to the NBA than entering the G-League out of high school.

Not for kids that don't want to go to school it's not. Stupid to give scholarships to people that are jus there to play ball.

[QUOTE]They generally prefer players to come in more seasoned, and they often cite the NFL

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https://theringer.com/nba-draft-adam-silver-age-limit-ben-simmons-51cc9cfbc034


[QUOTE]If teams are worried about having raw talents on their roster sucking up cap space, they could have those draftees assigned to their G-League affiliate for a season, playing for the same money on their rookie scale, without counting against the cap unless they get called up to the NBA. This would assure that players like Milwaukee

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/06/three-eastern-conference-rumors-mean-gordon-hayward-utah-jazz/3/

[QUOTE]If this rumor pans out, it will be absolutely exceptional for the Utah Jazz and their chances of retaining Gordon Hayward as it effectively kills two birds with one stone, removing two legitimate Hayward suitors from the picture. If Boston trades for PG, they

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[QUOTE]Steve Kyler on Gordon Hayward: I

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865681493/Looking-back-How-the-Jazz-have-recovered-from-trading-Deron-Williams.html


The team could no longer rely on their veterans, Millsap and Jefferson, who both left as free agents in 2013.

They could have relied on Millsap long before that. They chose not to

[QUOTE]Hayward blossomed into the team

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2710911-teams-that-could-be-left-in-shambles-after-nba-free-agency

The Jazz will not be in shambles because regardless of what happens they have Gobert to build around. They will probably try tanking again though

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2708586-biggest-offseason-priorities-and-targets-for-utah-jazz


and made a particularly impressive all-around leap with his game this season after spending a week training with Kobe Bryant this past summer.

didn't see much of Kobe's game there thankfully. Lyles otoh...


there may be some lingering resentment from Hayward's restricted free agency, when the Jazz decided to wait for another team (the Charlotte Hornets) to offer him the max before matching rather than giving it to him out of the gate.

It's business. The Jazz blew it. He might not have the opt out if they'd taken care of him first


Nor have the Jazz had the best luck retaining the players they develop, be it those who are free agents (Carlos Boozer) or will soon be so (Deron Williams).

They made the right decision not paying Boozer

[QUOTE]Utah won't be completely hopeless if it loses a cornerstone or two and can't replace him (or them) on the open market.

Joe Johnson and Rodney Hood are both capable of stepping into the wing spot that may be vacated by Hayward. Filling Hill's shoes at point guard could be a taller order, though it would give Utah an opportunity to see, once and for all, if Dante Exum

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/06/utah-jazz-should-aim-for-northwest-division-dynasty/

Who cares about the division! :rolleyes:

Their competition should be GS, SA and Cleveland. That's it!

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/06/utah-jazz-pre-draft-semi-ojeleyes-long-winding-road/

[QUOTE]He plays like a face-up four, but he

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Michael Scotto: Projected first round pick Jawun Evans has workouts with Portland June 8, OKC June 9, and Utah June 10, sources told Basketball Insiders.

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Jessica Camerato: Elie Okobo has worked out for the Jazz, Sixers (today). He also will work out for the Nets and Hawks.

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865681530/3-offseason-objectives-for-the-Jazz-that-dont-involve-Gordon-Hayward.html


Dennis Lindsey can also take a risky route inside the league’s current pool, with Derrick Rose and Rajon Rondo becoming available.

Why even mention them? They don't fit at all. If Sloan was coach and he wasn't a head case than yes maybe Rondo


The most likely option will be the internal route, or the development of Dante Exum, whom the Jazz picked fifth overall in 2015.

I can't see that. They have to look to find a vet to pair with Neto if Hill goes elsewhere. The Euro is a bench player as is Deron. If Exum could hit shots and defend he could play somewhere. Big ifs


was never really a part of Snyder’s rotation.

sure he was


Favors can neither defend most power forwards (now called “stretch fours” for their ability to shoot threes) nor hit shots from the perimeter himself.

I thought he could defend?


Teams will still have interest in Favors, especially those that could use him as a sixth man, like the Milwaukee Bucks did with Greg Monroe and the Oklahoma City Thunder with Enes Kanter. His scoring and rebounding can be valuable, and Favors can fortify a second unit and serve as a part-time starter when injuries occur.

Jazz might as well keep him if he's a bench piece. He can defend unlike those two. He can play small ball center in the East at least if he gets healthy again


The Los Angeles Lakers own the second pick in this year’s draft and are reportedly looking to trade Jordan Clarkson to make room for Lonzo Ball, who’s projected to get picked at the spot.

Clarkson, 24, averaged 14.7 points on a career-high 44.5 percent shooting last season. The Jazz could theoretically send Favors and his expiring deal to the Lakers with one of their picks for Clarkson, as their salaries match and would fit into the league’s guidelines for acceptable deals.

In return, the Jazz would get a scoring guard under contract until 2020 and the Lakers would get a productive big man in Favors (along with salary cap relief next season) and an additional draft pick. This type of trade is conceivably one the Jazz could complete in the next few weeks.

Clarkson makes sense offensively but the Lakers are already paying Mosgov and have young guys they want to play ahead of him. Can't see them wanting Favors


Hood and Exum both have the potential to become highly productive players, but neither has shown it consistently enough. But if the Jazz brass want to bet on their own talent, they could sign Hood and Exum to early extensions and look bright for doing so if the players realize their potential in the future. Their value is a lot lower now than it will be next year if both have breakout seasons. It could be a financially savvy move or one that becomes burdensome soon after the deals are signed.

Doubt either sign unless they sign very cheaply

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/07/utah-jazz-2016-2017-player-review-joe-ingles/


The most obvious improvement for Joe Ingles this last season had to be his three point shooting. He lead the league in three point field goal percentage for the majority of the season.

The most obvious that unlike his first two years he came to play from day 1 instead of just the end of the season especially defensively

Need to let him go.

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/07/utah-jazz-rumors-gordon-haywards-chances-of-stayingleaving-are-60-40/

[QUOTE]And assuming a Gordon Hayward-led Boston team could surpass the Cleveland Cavaliers, there

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44552904&nid=304&title=jazz-notes-draft-workout-features-first-round-prospect-semi-ojeleye


Tyrone Wallace, who worked out with Jazz trainers after the draft prospects finished. Wallace was the 60th pick in the 2016 NBA Draft for the Jazz and spent the year with the Salt Lake City Stars.

Someone that ought to be talked about. He's close to Exum now as far as I could tell and only a year older and much cheaper!

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5377778-155/utah-jazz-take-a-look-at


the team may be better served to have drafted someone with more potential upside than Ojeleye.

got to stop thinking the will draft anyone that can help them next year. Get the best potential players.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5382198-155/utah-jazz-what-happens-if-the


Jazz played like a 54 win team whenever he was on the court, and like a 45-win team whenever he wasn't. Replacing him would be anything but easy.

All is obviously not lost if he leaves. Re-load!

[QUOTE]Donovan Mitchell, shooting guard, Louisville

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2713763-nba-free-agents-who-could-receive-unexpected-max-contracts


their budget will be determined by Hayward.

Lose him, and the Jazz have no reason to invest in Hill.

Don't agree with that. Might be more reason to pay him actually. Not sure there is a better fit out there


Add all that together, and the end result could be a short-term max from a team desperate to make a splash.

Ideally that's what I'd like to see. A two year deal with a team option or partial guarantee the 2nd year

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865681579/Utah-Jazz-digging-deep-for-international-prospects.html

[QUOTE]

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/08/utah-jazz-george-hill-dilemma/

[QUOTE]Utah intends to re-sign him and pay him every penny he

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http://hoopshabit.com/2017/06/07/utah-jazz-5-options-for-pick-no-30-in-2017-nba-draft/


[QUOTE]At 6

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http://fansided.com/2017/06/07/nba-free-agency-2017-5-destinations-jj-redick/2/

Only if he's a bench player. Not long enough as we saw in the playoffs

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Tony Jones: Purdue forward and Salt Lake City native Caleb Swanigan will work out for the Utah Jazz Saturday, sources tell The Salt Lake Tribune

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[QUOTE]The Jazz will host their annual free agent mini-camp this weekend at the Zions Bank Basketball Center, with 25 NBA hopefuls scheduled to participate.

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[QUOTE]French center Jonathan Jeanne, who was expected to be a first-round selection in the 2017 NBA draft, has been diagnosed with Marfan syndrome, a potentially career-ending disorder, agent Bouna Ndiaye told The Vertical.

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Jessica Camerato: Thomas Bryant (Indiana) worked out w Heat Celtics Magic Nets Sixers. As of yest, still had Hawks Jazz Trail Blazers Bulls Kings Pacers.

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[QUOTE]Marc Stein: Free Agency Scuttle: Volume is rising on the whispers that the team worrying Utah in Gordon Hayward

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Rudy Gobert: Devastated for my guy #JohnJeanne

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2713946-nba-free-agency-rankings-top-100-available-players


Withey was one of only nine players with a defensive box plus/minus of at least 2.5, a total rebounding percentage north of 16.0 and a true shooting percentage no worse than 58.0 percent during the 2016-17 campaign. He'll never play as many minutes, but he's close to serving as a (very) poor man's version of Gobert, DeAndre Jordan and Dwight Howard.

I'd take him over Howard. He can certainly be a back-up and start for some teams. Gobert also on that list of 9!


Hill is already 31 years old, so imagining that he'll play at his peak level for another three years already requires some suspension of disbelief. But given his injury history, it's even more likely that a decline is anything other than imminent.

He should play at a higher level than the next two players in this countdown for 2017. But beyond that?

He's only had one serious injury. He needed to rest the toe until it was 100%. I think the Jazz have to rill the dice that he'll be healthy. Not sure there's anyone that fits better


Did you know Gordon Hayward was one of the league's premier alley-oop finishers in 2016-17?

That's a role typically reserved for hulking big men such as DeAndre Jordan or Hassan Whiteside. Long and uber-athletic forwards like LeBron James and Kevin Durant are usually on the receiving end of those feeds as well. Hayward has never fallen into either of those categories.

And yet, he had 22 alley-oop flushes last year, which puts him at No. 21 in the league, per NBA Savant. Just look at how he fared when stacked up against other players who logged the majority of their minutes at either point guard, shooting guard or small forward:

Gordon Hayward, 22
Jimmy Butler, 21
Giannis Antetokounmpo, 15
LeBron James, 13
Andrew Wiggins, 11
Hayward isn't just disarmingly athletic; he also possesses great instincts that allow him to wait for the opportune moments, luring defenders to sleep and then bursting to the hoop with a quick first step.

Ingles deserves a lot of credit. Most came from him. They were shutting it down by the end of the year though once it got on scouting reports

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[QUOTE]Kelly Olynyk understands the Boston Celtics

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44576100&nid=304&title=jazz-free-agent-minicamp-tries-to-find-the-diamond-in-the-rough


Jonathon Simmons is an off-the-bench weapon for the San Antonio Spurs, playing major minutes in the conference finals and averaging over 15 points per game. Less than two years ago, he was here in Salt Lake City, participating in a Jazz free agent minicamp.

He's not the only one: JaMychal Green, starting power forward for the Memphis Grizzlies, made a major impact on a small salary. Four years ago, he also participated in the Jazz's free agent minicamp.

Ouch!!! Both should be on their radar this summer too


On Friday and Saturday, the Jazz are holding their fifth annual free agent minicamp for guys like Simmons, Green, and the 14 other players who have played in the NBA. Two, Toure Murry and Patrick Christopher, played for Utah.

Good for Christopher! He got hurt and lost his spot on the team. Good to see he's back getting another look. Murry sounded like their kind of guy when they got him. Big PG that played D. Maybe he's ready now?


Eleven of the 25 players at the 2017 minicamp have NBA experience. Some have real name value.

good! have end of the roster spots and two way contracts to fill cheaply! Only one Stars player as Wallace works out with the Jazz coaches. Sorry Paige but you got some bad advice from your agent! I'm guessing Ford might be thee because he got hurt and they want a better look at him.


Tyler Hansbrough, maybe better known as "Psycho T" thanks to his time at North Carolina, participated in the workout. He's played in 428 games, starting 50 of them, though he'll be 32 by the time the season starts in October.


Does he shoot the 3 now?


R.J. Hunter was a major target of many Jazz fans in the 2015 NBA Draft and ended up going 28th overall to the Boston Celtics. But faced with a roster crunch, the Celtics cut Hunter at the beginning of the season. He played just three games for the Chicago Bulls before being waived in December.

Going on 24. He was supposed to be a shooter I think


Jarnell Stokes is a former Jazz second-round draft selection, who was then traded to the Memphis Grizzlies for a future pick. Stokes never really stuck after his rookie season in Memphis and has found himself playing for Miami and Denver, but mostly dominating the D-League.

Can he shoot?


"The best case scenario is we find a rotation player for the Jazz," Fredman added. "Dennis (Lindsey) set a high standard for the whole league when he was with San Antonio with Danny Green. He's a legitimate guy who's won championships and started."

what have you done for me lately!

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5385812-155/utah-jazzs-annual-free-agent-mini-camp


During those five years, 16 camp attendees have gone on to play in the NBA. That's the good news, Jazz Director of Pro Player Personnel David Fredman said.

The bad news? Only two have played for the Jazz.

Some of them might not have fit. Simmons and Green would have


The new rules could make it easier for the Jazz to find that player. Two-way contracts will take affect for the first time next season. That essentially gives the Jazz two additional roster spots, which will be used on players spending their time with the Jazz and the Stars.

There are a few stipulations with the two-way contracts. A player receiving one has to have three years or less of NBA experience. That means Hansbrough and Morris, both NBA veterans, wouldn't qualify. They would have to make an NBA roster outright.

And once you sign a two-way contract, you have to make the team after being in the league 45 days. So, you can't be a 16th or 17th man indefinitely. Even so, there will be more room in the NBA next year than in the past. Ten day contracts will still exist, and the the D-League is gathering more steam as a reputable pathway to the league.

That makes free-agent mini-camps more important to teams and players than they have been previously.

The D-league will be a lot better this year I imagine. A lot of guys that would go to Europe will be looking to get on a NBA roster this year and end up in the G-league. If Hansbrough can hit a 3 and defend he could be in the rotation. Bird loved him at one time. You need at least 5 guys at the end of the bench ideally a couple will be in the G-league with the two way contract guys.


The energy's been good so far today, that's the important thing. It's been interesting to watch some of the players transition from college workouts until now. A lot of guys have improved."

You would think they've all improved

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5385986-155/utah-jazz-la-prosecutors-wont-file

[QUOTE]Withey's ex-fiance

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865681704/BYUs-LJ-Rose-works-out-with-LA-Lakers.html

Doesn't shoot well enough for the Jazz I guess

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865681692/Reports-Utah-Jazz-worried-Miami-Heat-could-make-a-play-for-free-agent-Gordon-Hayward.html


the Heat have rebuilt their roster around point guard Goran Dragic and big man Hassan Whiteside.

Adding a third star in Hayward

That's one star sorry.


If Hayward goes to Miami he would be lying about wanting to win. Miami is a step or two backwards.

I think they could be better than the Jazz with Hayward.

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865681658/3-reasons-why-Rodney-Hood-can-replace-Gordon-Hayward.html

[QUOTE]Utah

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/09/utah-jazz-facing-a-make-or-break-off-season/


the Jazz are now facing a make or break off-season that will determine if they face another rebuild, or ensure deep playoff runs for years to come.

They will still have an all-NBA player. Not another tank!


If Hayward wants to win, then it really comes down to two teams: The Boston Celtics or the Utah Jazz.

We'll see. I could see Miami and especially SA making a lot of sense


If he values winning, then Utah is a perfect situation. The Jazz won 51 games in a tougher conference. He would be able to remain with an organization, coach and players that he has grown accustomed to. The top talent on the Jazz is also much younger than that of the Celtics.

None of that really matters. Against GS it was Hayward and Gobert and no one else basically. So unless they make some other moves and spend some money why would he stay? Boston, Miami and the Spurs will spend money to win titles


Heading into this season it looked like they had finally gotten the rotation set, but injuries to George Hill as well as Dante Exum needing more time to recover from his ACL injury made it a struggle.

When does Dante become a bust and the injury is no longer an excuse?


Dante Exum does not appear ready just yet to take over the reins full-time,

He's yet to prove he belongs in the league. He has 1 more year to do so

[QUOTE] a one year rental may be the best option if Hill leaves. I would look for the Jazz to target Deron Williams, Darren Collison or Patty Mills. Each of them are strong spot up shooters and shouldn

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/09/san-antonio-pegged-dark-horse-landing-spot-utah-jazzs-gordon-hayward/

[QUOTE]Whatever the cost, Hayward allows the Spurs to play smaller without cramping Kawhi Leonard

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2714292-dark-horse-destinations-for-nbas-top-free-agents?
utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

[QUOTE]Leaving the Denver Nuggets will be hard for Danilo Gallinari. He called Denver his "favorite city" during a Facebook live session in February

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http://sircharlesincharge.com/2017/06/08/five-most-underrated-free-agents-on-the-open-market/3/

[QUOTE] Even though he has a player option, I expect Gallinari to leave.

Prediction: Charlotte

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/09/utah-jazz-hayward-heat-whispers-resurface-presumably-substance/

[QUOTE]the Heat have plans to bring an additional big name free agent on board, simply adding Hayward to their current roster wouldn

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Rudy Gobert: Tristan didn

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Milos Teodosic may be the Nets

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Tony Jones‏: Tomorrow

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The Utah Jazz are bringing in 11 players in their next round of pre-draft workouts on Sunday. Headlining the pair of workouts is UCLA big TJ Leaf, who averaged 16.4 points, 8.2 rebounds and 2.4 assists per game last season and is projected as a first-round pick in the June 22 NBA Draft.

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When Thomas Bryant wanted to fill time in his room at Indiana, he would pick up a pencil and draw. Not basketball plays

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/10/utah-jazz-workout-features-three-potential-first-round-picks/2/

[QUOTE]at 6-foot-4

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Perrin is stunned by Swanigan

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5387870-155/kragthorpe-can-the-jazz-ever-catch


As of the 2018 playoffs, it will have been 10 years since the Jazz won even one game in the West semifinals.

That goal seems modest at the moment. But to make it easily achievable, the Jazz have to keep Gordon Hayward in free agency and they have to defer a playoff meeting with the Warriors until the conference finals.

Dallas getting upset by the 8th seed is what got them to the finals last time they were there


I'll be intrigued about how the Jazz can keep building around him and how internal improvement with the likes of Rodney Hood and Trey Lyles can enable them to make up some ground with Golden State.

Hood isn't going to get a lot better. He needs to be able to stay healthy and understand his role though. Lyles is young enough that there is still hope but he needs to learn to play with others. If he keeps thinking he's his hero Kobe he'll be out of the league and playing China with his old teammate Burke. Bolomboy may have passed him already with possibly more picks on the way ready to take his spot. You have to keep getting better or you'll be out of the league. No mention of Exum. Neto or Wallace? Burks is still young enough to come back and with two years on his contract they need him to. Joe Johnson, Ingles and Diaw certainly aren't the answers though.

The Jazz have to try to put together the best team they can that matches up with GS. At some point GS will falter rather it be because of injuries, egos or boredom and the Jazz need to be ready to pounce like Detroit did against the Lakers which came apart because of Kobe's ego. I've got my doubts if they will. Joe Johnson and Ingles have to go. I doubt they will. It's not the way the Jazz have done things but we'll see if the new front office and coach actually have a clue or not

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44602445&nid=304&title=jazz-workout-uclas-tj-leaf-four-other-prospects-show-jazz-what-they-can-do


If he's available at No. 24, I'd take him.

Doesn't sound long enough for them


Bryant is a 6-foot-10 big man with an incredible 7-foot-6 wingspan who played at Indiana as a sophomore last year.

This sounds like their type of guy. Even longer than Favors

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5390622-155/utah-jazz-ucla-forward-tj-leaf


Utah's power forward spot is in a bit of flux. Derrick Favors is entering the final year of his contract. Boris Diaw's contract is nonguaranteed for next season. Trey Lyles took a significant step back last season. Joe Johnson, for all of his brilliance last year, is still better suited for coming off the bench at this point of his career.

Again no mention of Bolomboy and I can easily see him in the rotation ahead of Lyles possibly even starting once Favors goes. Johnson needs to go. Doesn't match-up with GS

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865681770/Will-Warriors-dominance-impact-Gordon-Haywards-decision-to-stay-in-Utah.html

[QUOTE]After all, the Warriors' four best players are all still relatively young. Steph Curry is only 29 years old, Durant is just 28, and Draymond Green and Klay Thompson are both 27 so, assuming that Golden State does everything it can to keep this terrifically talented core group together

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865681777/UCLA-power-forward-TJ-Leaf-believes-hed-be-a-good-fit-with-Utah-Jazz.html


Perrin said Leaf is a better shooter than Lyles but that the third-year-to-be Jazz forward is a better ballhandler and playmaker.

Potentially. Don't you have to pass the ball occasionally to be a playmaker?

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/11/utah-jazz-host-pre-draft-workouts-headlined-uclas-t-j-leaf/


As a team that prides itself defensively, but is also looking to win now rather than merely plan for the future, those are two traits that the Jazz will have to take into large consideration before selecting Leaf.

Please list these guys that will help them win now?

[QUOTE]The draft is now less than two weeks away and you can bet that whether Utah decides to hold onto their picks or deal them in a trade, we

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/11/help-needed-nba-fan-on-the-edge/


Gordon has the upper hand. The Jazz cannot do much more than wait. Will Hayward follow the example set by the statues?

No they can try to improve the team. Depending on what happens before July 1st they can go into their meeting with him with a plan to put a better team around him and Gobert. They must do that because the other teams will have a plan


If Hayward decides to leave Utah, I will always believe the decision to leave was made long ago.

Can you blame him? The team still hasn't been all in and they were only partially in this past year because he was a free agent.

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/11/assessing-utah-jazzs-salary-situation/

[QUOTE]How the Jazz can stay beneath the salary cap limit

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[QUOTE]Robyn Hayward, the wife of Utah Jazz All-Star Gordon Hayward, posted a completely innocent picture on Instagram of her and her daughter Bernie snuggling with one another. However, NBA fans noticed a potentially subliminal message in the photo as the two-year-old was wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it that read

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Andy Larsen: The Jazz announced a new director for the Jazz dancers today: Ashley Kelson. She

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Miami is loading up now to pursue Gordon Hayward, according to league sources.

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Not quite sure how Miami would be a better option than the Jazz or Celtics.

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Miami has Whiteside who is similar to Gobert. After that they have better talent and a President that knows how to build a winner. If he'd rather live there I could see it.

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44623252&nid=294&title=ben-anderson-jazz-can-use-help-everywhere-in-draft

[QUOTE]The Jazz could target aging point guards on younger rosters who no longer fit their teams' building plans. Two targets to keep an eye on for draft night are the Phoenix Suns

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5393516-155/instagram-post-by-gordon-haywards-wife


I feel better now. :cheers:

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https://fansided.com/2017/06/10/30-teams-30-days-utah-jazz-offseason-preview/

[QUOTE]Handing out a max contract to Hayward and a three-year, $60 million deal to Hill leaves the Jazz just $5 million from the luxury tax, which won

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/12/utah-jazz-rumors-minnesota-timberwolves-interested-george-hill/


while he was brilliant at times, the 31-year-old has likely essentially reached his ceiling

He had a career year, Who's to say he can't get better still


although the Wolves are certainly behind the Jazz in terms of talent

actually they're not. just younger

I could see Minnesota. They are on the rise. Might just need a vet or two

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http://fansided.com/2017/06/12/5-trade-destinations-kevin-love/3/

I guess if Hayward demands it. I'd think Cleveland would want to keep Love and add Hayward

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[QUOTE]Ian Begley: Nevada

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Frenchie: @Dame_Lillard if you had the opportunity to sign with any team in the league today other than trailblazers what team would it be? Damian Lillard: If blazers said they didn

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To his credit, Jeremy Senglin, the Wildcats

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[QUOTE]New general manager Travis Schlenk told to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution that retaining Millsap remains a priority. However, he acknowledged that Millsap may receive better offers elsewhere as an unrestricted free agent next month.

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/14/gordon-hayward-rumored-to-be-concerned-about-playing-with-isaiah-thomas/

[QUOTE]Hayward has significant concerns about playing with Isaiah Thomas. In other words he wants the ball in his hands, he doesn

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http://saltcityhoops.com/utahs-place-in-a-warriors-world/


[QUOTE]Few teams in the NBA will embrace such an approach because, honestly, very few teams are even a dramatic move away from a slight chance to upend the current champs. The Houston Rockets, who won 55 games this season behind likely league MVP James Harden, may be such a team. Indeed, Houston GM Daryl Morey has admitted that an aggressive move with added risk may be in the cards he

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/15/blake-griffin-emerging-as-boston-celtics-target-could-help-utah-jazz/

Why no mention of the Jazz going after Griffin so Hayward has to stay?

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http://hoopshabit.com/2017/06/14/utah-jazz-2016-17-season-review-joe-johnson/4/

needs to go while his value is high

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First they came for his players, and now the Utah Jazz have sought Joey Wright

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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]First they came for his players, and now the Utah Jazz have sought Joey Wright

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I also posted this a couple of weeks ago for you. What can you tell us(me)?

[QUOTE]Nathan Sobey, who enjoyed a breakout 2016-17 NBL season with Adelaide, has received invitations from four separate NBA teams to participate in free agent mini-camps; the Brooklyn Nets, Utah Jazz, Los Angeles Clippers and a fourth team who has requested not to be named at this time.

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https://twitter.com/rudygobert27/status/875430456149164032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.deseretnews.com%2Farticle %2F865683124%2FMorning-links-BYU-the-best-college-basketball-job-in-Utah-Rudys-quest-for-DPOY.html

Rudy liked the cartoon about him

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2715200-projecting-every-nba-teams-win-loss-record-for-next-5-seasons


Too many members of the team's nucleus are past their athletic primes, whether we're looking at Joe Johnson's important contributions off the bench or Hill's status as a 31-year-old point guard.

Hill should age well. Johnson needs to go!

[QUOTE]Plus, re-signing everyone gets hard after 2017-18.

Hill, Hayward, Rudy Gobert, Alec Burks and Trey Lyles should be under contract beyond that date, but that leaves plenty of men for whom the Jazz have to find new deals. It won't be feasible to hang onto Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood, Dante Exum and nearly every other member of the bench, which means Utah has to do what it hasn't in the past

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http://247sports.com/Gallery/The-most-underrated-player-on-every-NBA-team-in-2017-52293252/GallerySlides/524460?ftag=ACQ-07-10aac1b&vndid=1860905186&nan_pid=1860905186&ad_id=6394118

also the key to the offense. Other than game 1 against the Clipps they have sucked without him the past 3 years. Should be talked about as the MVP of the league really

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683128/Analysis-A-look-at-4-possible-sleeper-picks-for-the-Utah-Jazz.html

[QUOTE]At 5-foot-11, Evans is smaller than most NBA point guards today. During last year

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/6/16/15751840/2017-nba-draft-jimmer-fredette-byu-brigham-young-university-sacramento-kings

[QUOTE]But what still gets me is that in his rookie year, Jimmer shot 36% from three, 41% in his second, and (in a small sample size) 48% in his third. Surely that has a place on the court somewhere in the NBA. And with what he

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/6/16/15742832/2017-nba-draft-utah-jazz-alec-burks-colorado-university-nba-trade-rumors

[QUOTE]Alec Burks has more potential than Gordon Hayward.

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/16/utah-jazz-free-agent-target-darren-collison/

[QUOTE]Keeping Utah

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/15/utah-jazz-rumor-hawks-wont-max-paul-millsap/

[QUOTE]The Hawks

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Bobby Marks: Boston would create $1.4m in cap space in 17-18 for swapping #1 for #3. #1 pick= $7.0m #3 pick= $5.6m

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44660692&nid=304&title=andy-larsen-kslcom-nba-mock-draft


This is my draft day guarantee: some big man who people think should be taken in the teens will be taken in the mid-20s, just because of positional scarcity. Will the Jazz take that sliding big man? I don't see why not: it allows them to get a higher quality player at this slot than they were planning, then allow them to pick among their favorites at 30. For this mock draft, that player is Justin Patton, an athletic center who can explode and finish above the rim vertically, and just enough skill to make you think he can put something together and be a special player. I like him.

The problem with this is that it will probably be someone the Jazz haven't worked out like Kanter, Burke and Exum! Is this guy long? Can he shoot?


Hartenstein is a logical international pick.

He's my guy based on the SLCdunk previews. Be great if they could get him early in the 2nd round instead though



Ojeleye makes the most sense as a potential 3-and-D prospect. The Jazz don't know if he'll be able to play small forward right away, but if he can shoot and defend like he did in college, he might be able to contribute anyway.

Unlikely that anyone will contribute right away. Maybe by the end of the season if they are lucky

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5411711-155/why-the-celtics-sixers-trade-talk-does


At this point, if Hayward wants to stay in Utah with the Jazz, what Boston does makes little difference.

Sure it does. He says he wants to win.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5411342-155/gonzagas-nigel-williams-goss-compares-himself-to


At 6-foot-3 with a 6-6 wingspan, Williams-Goss has good size for his position. He's also an improved jump shooter, knocking down 36.8 percent of his 3-point attempts last season.

Not sure that is long enough or that he is a good enough shooter for the Jazz but he can play

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/6/16/15759922/2017-nba-draft-utah-jazz-morris-almond-rice-draft-bust-d-league-washington-wizards


With Deron Williams, Andrei Kirilenko, Carlos Boozer, and Mehmet Okur the glaring weakness was at shooting guard. He was the perfect fit as a shooter and scorer for a team that won 51 games the year prior.

Actually Brewer was the perfect fit

[QUOTE] It actually reminds me of how I felt about Rudy Gobert and his games in the D-League. It just seemed like he didn

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/16/top-10-nba-draft-wins-utah-jazz-history/3/

[QUOTE]Apparently he was too old and not long enough or a good enough athlete to warrant a high first-round selection. So Hood slipped on draft night, all the way down to the Jazz at No. 23.

He

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/16/potential-utah-jazz-free-agent-target-milos-teodosic-gets-cska-offer/


the Jazz may have a tough time securing his services when free agency opens on July 1

sounds like he's theirs if they want him. Sounds like he plays little D though. Certainly a bench piece

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I also posted this a couple of weeks ago for you. What can you tell us(me)?
Sobey is a quick guard, attacks the hole hard, but he's only about 6'3, so he might have some issues as a SG at NBA level, it'd just be a question of if his athletic traits are high enough to translate to the better competition. He's only ever been an average shooter for 3, usually going at 30%, but he upped that to 40% this season, he won the MIP award in the NBL this year, but he's never been a heavy minutes guy. Averaged 27 minutes for us this year, but was a real sparkplug at times (scored 15 points in 10 minutes in one game). He's been playing in Greece once our season finished and seemed to be doing OK.

Wright has said Creek is a "Tony Allen type" at NBA level. He's not a huge scorer, even for us in the NBL, but he's probably a bit like Ingles in that he can do a bit of everything on court. Will be a pesky defender and nail the 3 at a decent clip. Wright is a huge fan of his, so if he has any influence, he'd probably be pushing for him to get on the Summer League squad. He's only 6'5 though, so probably debatable if he has the speed/height to go with SG/SF NBA players.

Both were spotted while we had US scouts over to watch Terrence Ferguson play, so they obviously saw something there. Don't think either will be as good as what Ingles or Delly are, but could be decent depth guys to have on a team for cheap.

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thanks for the input!

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If mock drafts are on target, the most marquee prospect at Zions Bank Basketball Center was Baylor forward Johnathan Motley, who many project will be taken in the early to mid-second round. Motley was joined by Gonzaga point guard Nigel Williams-Goss, Houston wing Damyean Dotson, North Carolina forward Isaiah Hicks, La Salle guard Jordan Price and Southeast Missouri State wing Antonius Cleveland.

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Several mock drafts have earmarked Pasecniks to the Nets recently. ESPN international analyst Fran Fraschilla said Kristaps Porzingis

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5410740-155/gordon-haywards-free-agency-makes-jazzs


Does he select a point guard, not knowing if George Hill leaves in free agency? Does he draft a small forward and put together a contingency plan in the event Gordon Hayward leaves as well in free agency? Or does he trade his pick and secure a veteran before July 1 in an attempt to convince Hayward to stay?

You got to look to improve the team by trading the picks. A draft pick isn't going to help them immediately despite all the talk of immediate help in the draft


it is uncertain if the Jazz want to have four rookies on the roster.

They haven't wanted more than two in the past. The two extra spots could mean 3 or 4 now but considering Exum, Lyles and Bolomboy still have yet to prove themselves I'd say they don't need more than 1 rookie. Need more proven vets


among current Jazz players, Exum and Rodney Hood are notable players who did not visit Utah before the draft.

Hood worked out ok. Exum, Burke and Kanter not so much

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683195/Utah-Jazz-hold-workouts-for-6-more-draft-prospects-could-be-finished-with-auditions.html


Gonzaga point guard Williams-Goss said he's built a relationship with perhaps the university's most famous alum, Hall of Fame floor general John Stockton.

The two worked out frequently before last season started, with Stockton giving the one-time Washington Husky a great deal of advice.

"John Stockton was a great resource for me the last two years being up in Spokane," Williams-Goss said.

And Exum and Neto still haven't worked out with this great resource

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683193/Five-things-to-know-about-the-2017-NBA-draft.html

[QUOTE]What do the Jazz want/need?

This is kind of a loaded question. The Jazz won

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683194/Need-a-job-Jazz-should-have-openings.html

[QUOTE]There

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/6/17/15825148/2017-nba-free-agency-rumor-cska-moscow-milos-teodosic-30-million-5-years-brooklyn-nets-utah-jazz

Jazz could get him for the mid-level exception. Do they want him?

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http://sircharlesincharge.com/2017/06/16/2017-nba-mock-draft-malik-monk-og-fall/12/


Brooks is extremely skilled on offense. He has point forward potential, due to his ability to handle the basketball, create for his teammates, and score off the dribble.

sounds like a fit. Length? D?

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http://fansided.com/2017/06/16/george-hill-free-agent-jazz-pacers-clippers-76ers/


Our offer: Four years, $64 million

Haven't heard a number that low.

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/18/aussie-imports-joining-utah-jazz-summer-league-squad/

Maybe they can get Exum to play. He needs it

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/18/will-boston-celtics-anticipated-moves-affect-utah-jazz/

[QUOTE]Salt City Hoops

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They have their eyes on Jazz free agent swingman Gordon Hayward and their trade of the first pick cleared enough cap savings to offer Hayward a max contract this July, as they

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5416008-155/the-utah-jazz-try-to-close


How does a team try to adjust to the reality of Golden State? Do you try to build a team that can attack the Warriors? Do you try to hold on and wait it out until the core breaks up?

Depends on your situation. Jazz need to finally go all in ansd see what happens

[QUOTE]Certain parts of their offense that worked against Los Angeles

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Brian Robb: Math now can work for a C

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[QUOTE]Jay King: Don

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[QUOTE]Pick has said Teodosic is seeking a three-year deal between $25 million-$30 million from any NBA suitors, with the Nets, Heat, Kings and Nuggets all linked to him. Reports claimed Teodosic had gotten a three-year, $13.5 million offer from CSKA, but new information implies that estimate may have been generous.

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http://www.12up.com/posts/5146752-3-teams-chris-paul-should-realistically-consider-signing-with

I don't think he's the best fit.

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As the Golden State Warriors work to re-sign four core members of their championship team, the franchise is expected to receive the stiffest competition in free agency for Andre Iguodala, the 2015 NBA Finals MVP. Iguodala plans to seriously consider other teams in July, league sources told The Vertical. Prospective teams would need to show in meetings a vision to move toward contention to pry Iguodala from Golden State, league sources said.

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[QUOTE]The Cleveland Cavaliers are trying to engage the Chicago Bulls in multi-team trade scenarios which would enable the Eastern Conference champions to acquire Bulls star Jimmy Butler, according to league sources.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5418017-155/kragthorpe-biggest-summer-in-utah-jazz


Gordon Hayward never believed his agent's prediction that the phone would start ringing at 12:01 a.m. July 1.

That was three years ago, when some percentage of fans didn't care whether or not the Jazz kept Hayward as a free agent. Many of them thought the team paid too much in matching the offer sheet he signed with Charlotte. How silly does that seem now?

That was before the tv money made him a bargain last year. I certainly didn't think he was worth the full max this summer before he played his best ball in the playoffs. Now you have to pay him whatever he wants and hope it's enough


Even when Carlos Boozer, Kyle Korver and Wesley Mathews left via free agency in 2010, everyone sensed the Jazz had maximized what they could do with those guys and Deron Williams after averaging 51.5 wins over four seasons and continually running into the Lakers in the playoffs.

Millsap was better than Boozer so that's easy. I liked Korver but Jerry's love for him hurt the team. Wesley hadn't done anything yet. One of their biggest mistakes was letting him go. Deron they didn't get enough for


The Jazz are ascending after a 51-31 season, although that remains true only if Hayward stays.

Even if he stays they have to improve the roster somehow. He's not staying if they don't. We saw against GS that they have two guys that can play with them.


The Jazz's general manager needs a solution at point guard, and that issue plays into Hayward's situation. The variable is that Hayward hardly could wait until George Hill's future is determined because Hill's free agency will involve some shopping after July 1.

The Jazz should be able to tell them what their plan is for Hill and their plan b. Celtics, Miami etc. will have a plan


Thursday's draft, with the Jazz owning the Nos. 24 and 30 picks in the first round and two more picks in the second round, will give all of us more material for discussion but probably not a lot of clarity regarding what will happen with Hill or Hayward.

I expect the Jazz to finally spend at least some of their cap space before July 1 so we should have a little bit more clarity

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683240/Analysis-Jazz-reportedly-interested-in-pursuing-free-agent-Andre-Iguodala.html

[QUOTE]The Utah Jazz want to bring Gordon Hayward back this summer, but if the All-Star decides to leave Salt Lake City, the team

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683236/Analysis-Why-the-Celtics-Sixers-trade-wont-affect-Gordon-Haywards-decision.html

[QUOTE]Immediately after the trade was agreed upon, fans began to wonder how the trade would impact Gordon Hayward

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683251/If-Gordon-Hayward-leaves-what7s-next.html

[QUOTE]After the meetings, Hayward informs the Jazz he is leaving Utah. What

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683285/Utah-Jazz-Its-time-for-Jazz-to-pull-some-more-second-round-magic-out-of-their-hat.html


Eaton had played sparingly in his two seasons at UCLA, averaging just 1.8 points per game while playing less than seven minutes per game in a reserve role.

Well, all the big fella did was come to Utah and flourish, becoming an awesome rebounder and an intimidating, shot-blocking force inside who was twice named the league's Defensive Player of the Year.


He was not an awesome rebounder. He had one big year rebounding if I remember correctly and he did it mostly on the defensive end which didn't actually fit since Karl did most of his rebounding at that end too. Tag was an awesome offensive rebounder which fit better with Karl. Too bad Sloan didn't care for him


Then, 11 years after selecting Eaton, the Jazz found another player in the 1993 draft, Long Beach State's Bryon Russell, who turned out to be a big part of their most successful seasons ever.

Bobby Hansen? Another Layden favorite that sucked.

[QUOTE]The Jazz have had some other solid second-round picks over the years

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Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel
Sentiment among several NBA officials is that Justin Zanik will wind up back in Utah. #NBA Justin Zanik, Milwaukee Bucks
2:36 PM - 19 Jun 2017

that was my first thought but in what role? His job was given to someone else. Sounds like he could be headed to Cleveland

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/19/utah-jazz-is-there-an-alternative-reality-coming-soon/


Regardless of what Hayward does end up doing, Dennis Lindsey has a plan.

And? He has a lot to prove as a GM as far as I'm concerned. This summer should tell us a lot


My alternative reality assumes if Hayward leaves, none of the other free agents will be retained. Meaning Joe Ingles, George Hill, Shelvin Mack, Jeff Withey and possibly Boris Diaw will be somewhere else.

Probably right but I could see Mack back maybe

[QUOTE]Point Guards:
Jeff Teague

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/19/utah-jazz-jump-paul-george-sweepstakes/


Players like PG-13 simply do not become available. He is a Top 5 player in the league when motivated and healthy.

top 5? :wtf:


The Pacers want young players to build around. Hood has established himself as a do-it-all shooting guard with guts. He is obviously a building block the Jazz have to be protective of.

He is? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]Utah doesn

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/19/three-questions-facing-the-utah-jazz-sparked-by-the-paul-george-situation/

[QUOTE]Most of the trade proposals floating around the web have been something along the lines of Derrick Favors, one of Alec Burks/Rodney Hood/Dante Exum, and either both first-round picks from this year, or this year

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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246343/Pau-Gasol-Declines-$162M-Option-With-Spurs-Intends-To-Re-Sign-On-Longer-Deal

He said earlier that he wasn't opting out. Big for the Spurs. Can sign Hayward or Hill

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[QUOTE]The Rockets have been actively shopping point guard Patrick Beverley ahead of this week

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[QUOTE]Τhe best player outside the NBA according to the annual NBA GM

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[QUOTE]Spencer Checketts: On the eve of the draft, I

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Jake Fischer‏: Teams have started calling agents to gauge second round prospects

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44721330&nid=304&title=how-trades-made-around-the-nba-impact-the-jazz


Brooklyn had been rumored as a destination for George Hill, though it was never really clear how serious that interest was. Brooklyn, though, undoubtedly would have been the team that had the most cap room to offer Hill a large contract.

"I told him, if he gets a crazy offer somewhere else, and we helped him get that offer, you're not going to get one poor thought, much less word, if he goes elsewhere," Jazz general manager Dennis Lindsey said about Hill in May. But now, it looks less likely that he'll get that crazy offer.

That, in conjunction with Philadelphia trading for No. 1 overall pick Markelle Fultz, also a point guard, means that the market for premier point guards like Kyle Lowry and Hill has dried up.

That means it's much more likely that those players stay with their respective teams, who can offer them a contract that goes above the salary cap limit thanks to holding their Bird rights.

He wasn't headed to NJ. Philly I could see. They could be good if they get healthy

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http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44711605&nid=294&title=ben-anderson-jazz-can-facilitate-nbas-biggest-blockbuster-trades


the Jazz have a series of mid range contracts, owed to rotation-level players, that could be included in a trade to facilitate a deal.

Boris Diaw has a $7.5 million deal that is fully non-guaranteed, meaning any team that acquires him could waive him immediately and not have to take on his salary this season. Derrick Favors has one year and $12 million remaining on his contract, and when healthy is a starting-level power forward in the league.

Finally, the Jazz have Alec Burks at two years and $22 million that they can trade. Due to Burks' injury history, his deal will be the most cumbersome to move.

Joe Johnson! Did anyone else watch him suck against GS? He has to go! Diaw maybe. I think they could sign him to a cheaper deal. Favors and Burks need to get healthy first


The Minnesota Timberwolves are interested in acquiring the Bulls' Butler but may be unwilling to trade budding star Andrew Wiggins to finalize the deal. Again, enter the Jazz.

The Wolves could acquire Butler in exchange for the Wolves' young players Zach Lavine and Kris Dunn, in addition to the No. 7 overall pick in the draft. However, that package is unlikely to be enough for the Bulls, and once again, the Jazz enter the picture.

Levine looks better than Wiggins. He is coming off knee surgery so I doubt he's too valuable right now anyway


The Jazz could take on the final two contract years of point guard Ricky Rubio from the Wolves

Rubio can't shoot! How does he make any sense at all?



, now filling the void if George Hill leaves as a free agent. The Jazz again send a young player to Chicago to add to the package the Wolves have shipped out and include an expiring contract to free up cap space for the Bulls, or a first-round pick.

In summary, the Bulls acquire a series of young, affordable pieces with potential to be franchise cornerstones, in addition to first-round draft picks. The Wolves land a star in Butler, and the Jazz find their starting point guard for the next several seasons, while shipping out a young player, and either an expiring contract or first-round draft pick.

pass

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https://theringer.com/paul-george-trade-offers-shootaround-4eaf42992a2b

[QUOTE]Jazz
Indiana gets: Derrick Favors, Dante Exum, Rodney Hood
Utah gets: George
Jonathan Tjarks: Utah needs to make a bold move to ensure Gordon Hayward re-signs. Turner

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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2017-breaking-down-the-biggest-needs-for-all-30-teams/


Needs: Shooting guard, point guard, power forward

Center is their biggest need. They already have Lyles and Bolomboy at the 4. Exum and Wallace at the 1,2,3

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683324/Jazz-trade-ideas-3-reasonable-deals-and-1-Zinger.html


Jazz get: Jordan Clarkson

Lakers get: Derrick Favors, 30th pick

Clarkson makes sense. Favors though?


Jazz get: Reggie Jackson

Pistons get: Derrick Favors, Dante Exum, 30th pick

:roll:

Please watch the Jazz play before writing this crap!


Jazz get: Ricky Rubio

Timberwolves get: Derrick Favors, Trey Lyles, 24th pick

same as above :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]Jazz get: Kristaps Porzingis, Courtney Lee

Knicks get: Derrick Favors, Dante Exum, Rodney Hood, 24th pick, 30th pick, 2018 first round pick

When I originally concocted a trade involving the New York Knicks, I had Carmelo Anthony coming to Utah. It

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http://www.deseretnews.com/top/3907/0/Deseret-News-2017-NBA-mock-draft-Who-will-the-Jazz-take.html

[QUOTE]Isaiah Hartenstein, power forward,

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683291/Upstill-A-draft-guide-for-how-to-get-the-Jazz-to-play-Warriors-style.html


The Jazz have a lot of players who can play in this system. George Hill and Dante Exum serve as combo guards.

Exum is an athlete. Has to prove he can play basketball. One year to do it! :banghead:


The wings or 3-and-D guys are Gordon Hayward, Rodney Hood and Joe Ingles

Hood defends? Ingles can match up with GS in Oakland?


White could become this season's Brogdon, a solid rotation player.

Need to quit expecting immediate help in the drafts. They are G-leaugers until proven otherwise

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http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/20/every-major-nba-rumortransaction-crazy-day-affects-utah-jazz/5/

Get Beverley. Could start or back0up George

[QUOTE]If Utah needs to create space to bring in a key player either via trade or free agency, but aren

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Saw a fantasy trade that got us involved in Paul George going to the Cavs.

We get Kevin Love and basically give us Exum, Lyles, Johnson and OKC's first rounder to Pacers.

Pair him up with Gobert and re-sign Hayward and Hill and that's a quality starting 5.

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Saw a fantasy trade that got us involved in Paul George going to the Cavs.

We get Kevin Love and basically give us Exum, Lyles, Johnson and OKC's first rounder to Pacers.

Pair him up with Gobert and re-sign Hayward and Hill and that's a quality starting 5.

Yep and still have cap space to sign a starting sg plus the mid-level for another good rotation player. Vets would line up to play for the vet minimum for a top 4 team. You wouldn't hate to see Exum go?

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[QUOTE]Kevin O

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Milos Teodosic is out of the picture now that the Nets have Russell. The Nets have made it a point to find playmaking guards who can play multiple positions. In a point guard heavy league it

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Joe Ingles: Kid: Do you have a job? Me: Yes, my job is playing basketball. Kid: No, I mean a real job, like at a building site.

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765695768/For-some-rookies-NBA-draft-isnt-the-start-of-a-pro-career.html

My guy! :cheers:

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/6/21/15415232/2017-nba-free-agency-utah-jazz-paul-millsap-george-hill-gordon-hayward-ricky-rubio


What magic does Dennis Lindsey, resident wizard, have up his sleeve?

This is old! What has he done other than luck out with Rudy?


I love Derrick Favors and Alec Burks, but right now they appear to be expendable. Both have dealt with nagging injuries the past couples of years, and neither look like they’re a great fit in Quin Snyder’s system. Rodney Hood has regressed as well, but his contract is a team-friendly rookie deal through next season. Hood easily has the best trade value of the three. It’s reasonable to assume that anyone not named Rudy is being considered a trade asset right now.

I wouldn't assume that but that should be the case. I'll be surprised if they trade Joe Johnson and he should be at the top of the list for example. Favors and Burks need to show they are healthy again before trading them


Favors and Burks have combined salaries totaling nearly $23 million in 2017-18. Trading one or both of them to a team for picks or prospects makes a lot of sense. If the Jazz can dump $20~ million in salary in exchange for what would become a cheap rookie contract, and open up more flexibility to potentially sign another impact player (more on this later), that’s probably the right move. It would suck to see either of these guys go, but if Lindsey thinks it’s the right move for the franchise, it’s likely he would make the move.

He was trying to trade Favors at the deadline and the offers weren't good enough. Doubt that changes suddenly. He has value with him being eligible for an extension. If he shows he can still play someone might give quite a bit for him if he agrees to an extension


Operating under the following assumptions: Diaw’s contract is waived; Utah keeps both the 24th and 30th picks; DL trades away Favors and Burks; here are a few free agent possibilities that could work.

I see them doing something by July 1st. They have cap space to burn still and need to impress Hayward. Could see them getting rid of all their picks. With Wallace, Bolomboy, Lyles and Exum still developing I don't think they need more than one rookie to take the other two way contract really.


Is Dennis Lindsey comfortable with Dante Exum stepping in as the starter this season? If he is, then the point guard situation becomes significantly easier to handle.

If he's the wizard you say he is why would he think that. Exum has shown little to think he's the guy. I could see him starting at the 2 if he could hit shots and defend without his hands. Hasn't shown he can


Assuming Lindsey and Quin Snyder are both on board with Exum as a starter

Snyder wasn't on board with Exum as a rotation player much of last year. Now he wants him starting? Very doubtful. The Jazz need a vet to start unless they want to start Neto which I could back a lot more than Exum because he was solid in that role last year. Don't see that happening though. Need a vet. Need Hill!


Patty Mills, Shaun Livingston, and Deron Williams would make for solid backups at around $5-10 million a year, with Mills likely on the higher end of that range. Patty Mills seems to make the most sense from a fit standpoint, if Utah can pry him away from the Spurs.

I could see giving Mills a shot as a starter. Might get him to leave SA but he could be starting there with Parker out. Livingston doesn't fit. Deron ideally is a back-up


If not, the options are Hill, Teague, and Collison. Hill and his agent have already indicated that they expect a max contract, which he is unlikely to get unless he signs with a team like New York or Brooklyn. It’s hard to know what Teague’s market value is, but Collison is likely in the $15-20 million range. That is a possibility if one or both of Burks/Favors contracts are moved.

Collison is a back-up. Teague doesn't fit.


The first group can only realistically be targeted if both Favors and Burks are moved to open up the extra cap space.

Wrong! They are close to signing anyone right now under the cap. Sign Hayward and Hill after that


Millsap can do it all, including some ball handling. He’s the total package.

And yet they let him go so Enes and Favors could play! :rant


If he’s willing to sign at a discount in the $15-20 million range, he’d be a perfect fit in the Jazz system next to Gobert.

Doubt he's giving a discount but I can definitely see him wanting to come back and be on a top 4 team


Ibaka may command too much money, since he’s never really had a big contract and might be ready to cash in at this point in his career.

His last contract was big. He might triple that but it was nothing to sneeze at


Muscala will likely be paid well this summer, so he may be priced out of the range the Jazz will have to work with.

How is priced out and Millsap isn't. Doubt he's getting 20 million a year! :confusedshrug:


The next group of guys might be available in the $8-12 million range, which means the Jazz may be able to hang onto Favors and only need to move Burks in order to make room:

Jonas Jerebko, Amir Johnson, Nene, Spencer Hawes, Omri Casspi, Donatas Motiejunas, Taj Gibson, Danilo Gallinari.

Muscala is getting paid more than Gallinari? 12 million for Gallinari? :facepalm

I could see all those guys except Nene and Gibson. Could we actually pay attention to what the Jazz have done under Lindsey and Snyder before writing these? They let Booker go because they thought Diaw and Lyles could hit 3's. They would have been a lot better off with Booker though! :banghead:


The Jazz could do much worse for a backup big man.

They need a starting 4 unless they move Hayward there which I think may be the way to go. Might have to wait until they move Favors later in the year though? Need a vet to back-up Rudy but again that might have to wait until Favors is dealt later. I can see Bolomboy getting at least back-up minutes at the 4 eventually


Whether it’s because of age, a question of fit with the team, or simply chemistry, these guys could either be nice options as bench guys or could be total disasters. It would be interesting to see DL roll the dice on someone from this group. Gasol, Ian Clark, JJ Redick, Vince Carter

Carter and Gasol make sense. Redick makes none for the amount of money he will get ad certainly doesn't fit as a starter. Clark can shoot but he doesn't have anything else that makes him a great fit here. He looks good shooting wide open 3's in GS


Whatever happens, this summer is set up to be the most interesting free agency in recent memory. Expect Dennis Lindsey to put the Jazz in a position to succeed.

It should have been last summer actually but the wizard failed

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http://hoopshabit.com/2017/06/20/utah-jazz-paul-george-trade-makes-no-sense/

[QUOTE]Averaging a career-high 23.7 points per game last season, George is an elite points-producer in many ways. He

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[QUOTE]The move is seen largely as a salary dump by the now-rebuilding Hawks, who signed Howard to a three-year, $70.5 million contract last year.

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From ESPN’s Brian Windhorst: [The Dwight Howard trade] is the Hawks sending a signal that they are going into a full rebuild mode, and it would also imply that Paul Millsap probably will not be back with the organization. – via SLAM
Trade, Dwight Howard, Paul Millsap, Atlanta Hawks

There are three or four teams out there that are willing to give Millsap a max contract, and sources have told me that the Hawks have begun getting some feelers on sign-and-trades. – via SLAM

Teams like the Phoenix Suns, Sacramento Kings and Denver Nuggets are interested in Paul Millsap. – via SLAM

A sign and trade might work even better if the Hawks will take back Joe Johnson and Favors! Hard to believe he would want to go to one of those teams more than the Jazz. He did play with Earl. Kings are a mess. Denver is about where the Jazz were a couple years ago so that one maybe. There's max and there's a 4 year max. Big difference. I could see the Jazz maybe giving him max on a shorter deal anyway at his age. Bring back Paul! Right one of the biggest wrongs the franchise has made! :cheers:

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[QUOTE]Marc Stein: Free Agency Scuttle: Houston is making Ryan Anderson/Lou Williams/Patrick Beverley available via trade to create summer spending flexibility

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[QUOTE]The Utah Jazz have made a trade inquiry on Houston Rockets point guard Patrick Beverley, multiple sources told The Salt Lake Tribune on Wednesday morning. The Jazz are one of 12 teams that has reached out to the Rockets in hopes of acquiring him. Utah general manager Dennis Lindsey is actively shopping for a veteran point guard, sources say.

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5427539-155/utah-jazz-gambler-in-gm-lindsey


Conventional wisdom suggests a playoff team may be hesitant to bring five rookies onto a win-now roster. But the advent of the new two-way contracts may test that theory.

As the beat writer and not an intern you should know that under Lindsey they haven't wanted more than 2. Supposedly the reason for stashing Neto though him outplaying the guy they traded for two firsts probably played into that. They only had one last year when they finally added some vets. With Exum, Lyles and Bolomboy all still unproven I can't see more than 2 and that's only because of the two ways. If Hayward leaves and they try to tank again it would only be 3 or 4 rookies at most.


Utah, which has picks 24 and 30 in the first round, is confident in its ability to find capable rotation help, even late in the first round.

To me still thinking you can find immediate help in the draft is a huge problem. They haven't yet under Lindsey! They should assume anyone they draft will at least start the year in the G-league.


we know this is a good draft."

you think it is. Time will tell


Lindsey said the team's needs can't be ignored

That's why they put players into tiers. When they draft if there is a center in that tier they need to get one. After that I'd say wing or combo forward maybe.


That means the Jazz could look at selecting a big man. At power forward, Boris Diaw's contract for next year is non-guaranteed. Derrick Favors is entering the last year of his contract. Jeff Withey will be a free agent, and Trey Lyles didn't play well in his sophomore season. To that end, the Jazz brought in a significant number of power forwards and centers for pre-draft workouts.

No mention of Bolomboy yet again! :wtf:


The Jazz also may need a point guard, with Hill now a free agent, along with Shelvin Mack.

Still have Exum, Neto and Wallace though two of those could play wing as well. Need a vet pg.


And with the Jazz holding $13 million they need to spend before July 1, it would be smart to keep an eye on Lindsey the gambler.

They need to spend at least 3 to get to the minimum. After that you don't necessarily want to take on salary before free agency. If you can make things more attractive for Hayward and Hill you do that though

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5427874-155/utah-jazz-make-inquiries-about-trading


if the Jazz are successful in trading for a point guard, that doesn't close the door on Utah's effort to retain starting point guard George Hill, who will be an unrestricted free agent in July.

Depends on who they get. Beverley I can see with Hill because he doesn't make much. Jazz probably see Hill as a great fit even if he's playing the 2

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http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5426504-155/kragthorpe-utah-jazzs-draft-night-is


The night when he boldly acquired a top-10 pick in the NBA draft, Utah Jazz general manager Dennis Lindsey also chose Rudy Gobert.

No other snapshot of Jazz history illustrates the uncertainty of picking players quite like Lindsey's first night in charge of the franchise's draft operation in June 2013. He was celebrated for moving up to No. 9 and taking point guard Trey Burke. Lindsey then landed another first-round pick and grabbed Gobert at No. 27 in a move that was treated as an afterthought in comparison to Burke's arrival.

I certainly took note of a notoriously cheap team buying an extra first. Also got Neto late in the 2nd but no one likes Neto despite the fact that he can actually play despite not having the wingspan or being the great athlete everyone seeks


The Jazz's draft strategy is complicated because there's no way of knowing if they will be able to re-sign two valuable players who are free agents: forward Gordon Hayward and point guard George Hill. Whether via trade, the draft or some combination, the Jazz have to impress Hayward about their future or pre-emptively compensate for losing him. Yet if Hayward and Hill stay in Utah, the Jazz will have payroll issues that make guaranteed contracts for two first-round picks a bit unwieldy.

Can trade the picks later. Not complicated really other than maybe having them sit out summer league without a deal which isn't ideal


That's why they're believed to be considering international players such as Latvian center Anzejs Pasecniks and German forward Isaiah Hartenstein, who could remain in Europe for a year or two.

Cool! My guy.


If they package a player with their two first-round picks, the Jazz could move up to about No. 12 and take the likes of Louisville guard Donovan Mitchell or Gonzaga center Zach Collins.

They could? Seems like a big leap to me. Maybe if they use some cap space or other young guys picks they have


BYU's Eric Mika, also a Lone Peak grad, Utah State's Jalen Moore, a Sky View grad, and Weber State's Jeremy Senglin are unlikely to be drafted but should have free-agent opportunities.

Sounds like Mika could be drafted


ESPN.com this week ranked Gobert one of the top players ever taken in his draft slot, although he hasn't matched the exploits of the all-time best 27th pick, Dennis Rodman.

I'd take him over Rodman any day

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http://herosports.com/nba/free-agency-gordon-hayward-3-reasons-utah-best-option-alal

[QUOTE]Another option is for Hayward to hang around with the Jazz for one more season. Right now, he is due nearly $17 million

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/6/21/15847578/2017-nba-rumor-patrick-beverley-ryan-anderson-lou-williams-trade-houston-rockets-utah-jazz

[QUOTE]Ryan Anderson is the perfect piece to place next to Rudy Gobert. But you don

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/6/21/15846778/2017-nba-rumor-paul-millsap-atlanta-hawks-utah-jazz-draft-free-agency-denver-nuggets


Sadly, not having a lottery pick, the Jazz may not be a contender unless they can find a way to get involved in a three team trade. They may be able to go after him if he makes it to free agency though.

another intern? Sign and trade means during free agency Paul agrees to sign with a team and the Hawks are willing to help them do it

[Xiao Yao You]

http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/21/utah-jazz-rumors-acquiring-rockets-patrick-beverley/

[QUOTE]That probably wouldn

[El Kabong]

Yep and still have cap space to sign a starting sg plus the mid-level for another good rotation player. Vets would line up to play for the vet minimum for a top 4 team. You wouldn't hate to see Exum go?
I was a Jazz fan before Exum and I'll still be one after! Same with Ingles.

Just want to see the team get better.

[Xiao Yao You]

http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/21/who-should-the-utah-jazz-select-with-their-two-first-round-draft-picks/2/


He could use some improvement on his shooting (he went 38.1 percent from the field and 31.3 percent from deep with the 36ers last year) but the athleticism and potential are certainly there.

also lacks length. next!

[QUOTE]Anigbogu could be a solid answer for their future, likely competing with last year

[Xiao Yao You]

I was a Jazz fan before Exum and I'll still be one after! Same with Ingles.

Just want to see the team get better.

Well you'd think everyone would want them to get better but it seems like more people want Exum starting which to me doesn't make them better unless he suddenly turns it all around.

Love Ingles and he had a great year but was disappointing in their losses in GS. I think he has to go to unless he agrees to sign very cheaply and he'd be stupid to no matter how close him and Hayward are or how much he loves it here

[El Kabong]

Well you'd think everyone would want them to get better but it seems like more people want Exum starting which to me doesn't make them better unless he suddenly turns it all around.

Love Ingles and he had a great year but was disappointing in their losses in GS. I think he has to go to unless he agrees to sign very cheaply and he'd be stupid to no matter how close him and Hayward are or how much he loves it here
Im basically on the thought process of if we keep Hayward then Exum is the obvious asset to trade out to help with immediate improvements. If we lose Hayward we may as well keep him and see if he can develop.

[Xiao Yao You]

Not sure Exum has a lot of value. He's still young and is a great athlete so I'm sure there are some tanking teams that would take him just not sure the return will be much. Clears a bit of money anyway.

[El Kabong]

Since this stuff always gets posted as meaningful

https://twitter.com/NBL/status/877740184598478848

[Xiao Yao You]

Lit it up at free agent camp it says.

[Xiao Yao You]

Chris Vivlamore: With reports of $99 million salary cap now, Paul Millsap max would be 5-years, $200,970,000 from Hawks and 4-years, $148,995,000 from other.

[Xiao Yao You]

Susie Giese: Big news coming out of the US that @WarrnamboolS

[Xiao Yao You]

News dropped in the @tribjazz podcast: Gordon Hayward is torn on if he should stay in Utah or leave in free agency

[Xiao Yao You]

The Spurs selected Hill 26th overall in the 2008 NBA draft. The team then traded the point guard, who is constantly labeled as one of Popovich

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/6/21/15851076/2017-nba-draft-rumors-houston-rockets-patrick-beverley-utah-jazz-trade

[QUOTE]5.9. Five point 9 wins. That is what Utah is looking to replace in the offseason to show Gordon Hayward that they are serious about contending. 5.9 wins is what George Hill provided for the Utah Jazz. With George Hill and the Utah Jazz unable to come to an extension last year, the Utah Jazz will enter the offseason a point guard short of a convincing offer to Gordon Hayward. Which is why the Utah Jazz would be wise to trade for Patrick Beverley. The 28 year old point Houston guard provided the Rockets with 5.3 wins.

Let

[Xiao Yao You]

http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/21/top-10-draft-night-blunders-utah-jazz-history/11/


1) Raul Lopez over Tony Parker (2001)

Lopez was a better fit. Too bad his knees didn't hold up


With their picks at Nos. 14 and 16, the Jazz went with Kris Humphries and Kirk Snyder. The future (and now former) Mr. Kardashian eventually became a solid pro, but was a bad fit in Utah and after proclaiming himself a Rookie of the Year front-runner

Humphries hits 3's now. Might be a fit! :cheers:


8) Dealing for Curtis Borchardt (2002)

He could have been good too if his body would have held up


7) Trading multiple firsts to select Trey Burke (2013)

Lindsey the wizard! :rolleyes:


Instead, they went big with a guy who, just a few short years later, would go on to kill his own value by demanding a trade and get himself shipped off to Oklahoma City for what has essentially amounted to nothing.

Could have went big with Jonas V :facepalm


Burks has gone on to be perpetually injured and a financial burden for the Jazz

Jasn't been a financial burden yet


It remains one of the most lopsided trades in league history. Williams played just 18 games in a Jazz uniform, while Drew called it quits three years later.

but it kept the team in Utah

[Xiao Yao You]

http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/22/utah-jazz-rumors-george-hill-san-antonio-spurs-mutual-interest/


no surprise here

[Xiao Yao You]

http://purpleandblues.com/2017/06/22/nba-rumors-utah-jazz-receiving-lot-interest-derrick-favors/

I doubt anyone is giving up much

[Xiao Yao You]

If UTA traded for Rubio & got post-ASG Ricky (16 PPG (42%, 35%, 92%), 10.5 APG, 4.6 RPG, 1.5 SPG)...

Mar: 17.8 (47,44, 93), 10.4, 4.5, 1.6

Still not great shooting. Might be good enough but can he do that over a full year? Not a great fit regardless. Jerry would have loved him though!


David J. Smith @davidjsmith1232
I don't think they are a package deal. It sounds like the Jazz are working on obtaining another PG Rubio, Beverley have been mentioned.

I don't know if Hill would like it but I could see bringing him back as the starting 2 as well. Better than anyone they have currently at the position


Andy Larsen ✔ @andyblarsen
Jazz fans should root against Celtics acquiring Porzingis. He's the cheapest star available & would be easier to fit Hayward in cap space.

And more importantly he could be the rim protecter that they're missing while still allowing them to play 5 out


Jody Genessy @DJJazzyJody
The Jazz have increased their international budget and presence, so we can anticipate that they'll do a draft-and-stash or two today, too.

It's time. A big part of the Spurs success is that they're roster is larger than everyone else's because of all the guys they have stashed away

[Xiao Yao You]

Tony Jones: The Jazz are continuing talks on Patrick Beverley, I

[insidehoops]

Utah Jazz reportedly seek an immediate-impact shooter:

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=20422

[El Kabong]

Utah Jazz reportedly seek an immediate-impact shooter:

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=20422
Well, that ended up happening!

[Xiao Yao You]

Got the length they love. Another player that can play with and without the ball and defend hopefully. He wanted to play for the Jazz too!

Lyles earned this with his selfish play this season. Hopefully Lindsey finally makes a good lottery pick!

[Xiao Yao You]

dan clayton @danclayt0n
Jazz will save $1.4M, too. Trey & #24 will combine for 4M next season, Mitchell will make 2.6M.

I'm guessing he could be in play for the back-up pg slot to the chagrin of Exum lovers. Defensively I'm sure they'd love him there best. Could still run the ball through Hood, Burks etc. Ideally he starts with the Stars and can help them later in the year. He is almost 21 so he isn't as young as most

[Xiao Yao You]

Joe Ingles ✔ @Joeingles7
Wishing my guy @TreyLyles all the best in this next part of his career! 👊🏻👊🏻

Hopefully Hayward is ok with this. Supposedly Lyles, Ingles and Hayward would go out to eat together. Also from Indy

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE]Aran Smith: Hearing @Utah Jazz trying to move out of their picks (24 and 30) and trade for a point guard cheaper than Hill.

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE]Marc J. Spears: The Jazz, Spurs and Nets are all tracking versatile big @Isaiah Hartenstein as a possible pick in the 20s of the #NBADraft ,source told @TheUndefeated

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683472/Instant-NBA-trade-analysis-Breaking-down-every-deal-and-what-it-means-to-the-Jazz.html


Raul Neto’s contract is non-guaranteed for next season and the Jazz could be in the market for a backup point guard. Frazier will no longer be an option.

Sounds like they might be looking for a new starter. I'd guess Exum, Neto or Mitchell will back-up the 1


Jimmy Butler was linked to the Boston Celtics, who will pursue Gordon Hayward come July 1. Now that Butler is in Minnesota, the Celtics can't add Butler to its team with hopes of convincing Hayward to come too. From a competitive standpoint, the Timberwolves will have the pieces - led by Butler, Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins - to compete for a playoff spot, making the road more difficult for Utah.

good news as far as Hayward goes I guess? Wolves will be tough though!


Alec Burks' future, however, is now in question.

thought it already was?


If the Jazz do end up re-signing Joe Ingles, Burks will have a tough time cracking Quin Snyder's rotation.

A healthy Burks makes anyone's rotation. Ingles needs to go!


now that Lyles is gone, the Jazz could be in the market for another forward, or potentially guarantee Boris Diaw's contract (the deadline for that is July 15).

They can't pick up Diaw's deal. Will need a replacement for Favors at some point. Bolomboy replaces Lyles

[Xiao Yao You]

Trey Lyles ✔ @TreyLyles
Want to say thank you to the Jazz organization/Coaches/Fans/Teammates for all the help and support and a great 2 years!

[Xiao Yao You]

Kincade Upstill @Kincade12
Good pick and now they don't need to sign George hill. Hopefully #2017NBADraft

don't need Hill because of a rookie? Wonder what Hayward will think of that as he signs with Boston. :rolleyes:

[Xiao Yao You]

Mark J. Wahlen @Mark_Wahlen
There's a lot to like about Tony Bradley. Stats models love him. I think he's much better than people realize. A lot to like about him.

[Xiao Yao You]

Fran Fraschilla ✔ @franfraschilla
Tony Bradley is great value here. Utah Jazz got a terrific back up to Rudy Gobert. He snuck up on the bloggers.

[Xiao Yao You]

NBA.com/Stats ✔ @nbastats
Tony Bradley out of UNC ranked 4th in the ACC in Put Back scoring (2.2 ppg). Read full scouting report here: http://on.nba.com/2swuRcY

[Xiao Yao You]

Kincade Upstill @Kincade12
Tom creen talking really highly of exum. I believe #TakeNote
26s

David J. Smith @davidjsmith1232
@TheVertical Tom Crean talked about Dante Exum's visit when they recruited him. Lots of praise for him.
21s

Kincade Upstill @Kincade12
Don't like trade they could of got good talent at 30 and 42 #2017NBADraft #TakeNote

[Xiao Yao You]

David J. Smith @davidjsmith1232
The @TheVertical guys are optimistic that Dante Exum will be a player for the Jazz. Cited good things in the Playoffs.

Had moments in the playoffs and made lots of stupid plays. Got to be able to bring it consistently. Last year to do it

[Xiao Yao You]

David J. Smith @davidjsmith1232
The Jazz can only send out $1.9M in trades (buying a pick). Sent out $1.6M in the Pleiss salary dump. https://sports.yahoo.com/verticals-draft-night-reference-guide-145139567.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

[Xiao Yao You]

As long as Favors. Doesn't shoot the 3. Hit the boards as much offensively as defensively. Bradley, Mitchell and Wallace to lead the Stars!

[Xiao Yao You]

Utah Jazz ✔ @utahjazz
Donovan will keep his college number and wear #45 for us. (Nice hat)

the hats are awful!

[Xiao Yao You]

David J. Smith @davidjsmith1232
The Jazz will be in the market for a stretch 4, via trade or free agency. Kevin Love, anyone?

sounds like there wasn't a lot of demand for Love. Where is this stretch 4 playing with Favors, Johnson and Bolomboy around? Should probably be Hayward actually.

They got their young center. Need a vet but might have to wait until they trade Favors to fill some holes.

Need a starting 2. Sign Hill and Hayward.

[Xiao Yao You]

Can get their 2nd two way contract with their last pick

[Xiao Yao You]

Goss is someone I've seen. He's a player. The next Gonzaga star for the Jazz? :cheers:

[Xiao Yao You]

decent length and shooter. hit the boards.

So him and Wallace get the 2 two way contracts with the 2 first rounders joining them in the Gleague. Need a starting sg. Trade Johnson and Diaw(or dump him and possibly sign him cheaper for the end of the bench). Let Exum, Neto, Burks and Hood fight it out for the reserve minutes at the 1,2, and 3. Fill it out with vets. Bolomboy back-up 4. Sign Hill and Hayward

[Xiao Yao You]

Free agent shooting guards don't look ideal. Trade for George or someone else? Might have to wait until later in the season after Favors and Burks get healthy to make a move

[Xiao Yao You]

Olynyk, Speights, Muscala, as back-up center prospects.

[Xiao Yao You]

Kincade Upstill @Kincade12
Motley from Baylor didn't get drafted. I wonder if Lindsey connection to that school gets him an invite to summer league #TakeNote

[Xiao Yao You]

Mika?

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/jazznotes/5432566-155/derrick-favors-puts-house-on-market

nice knowing ya?

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5433367-155/jazz-make-two-trades-ship-out


Bradley, much like Mitchell, went through the pre-draft workout process and impressed the Jazz with his shooting and ability to showcase offensive skills that weren't on display with the Tar Heels.

they must think he's got shooting potential

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5429306-155/grading-the-first-round-jazz-get?fullpage=1


it adds support (or a contingency plan) for George Hill.

:facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

Could be 4 rookies it looks like?

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865683504/Interest-high-in-Derrick-Favors-Jazz-in-market-for-shooter.html


Although the Jazz aren't shopping him around, veteran power forward Derrick Favors continues to receive a lot of interest from a variety of teams. Utah would like to keep Favors, who has one more year remaining on a four-year deal, but he is not considered off limits like rising star Rudy Gobert.

He'll start the season with them


The Jazz have explored trading for Minnesota point guard Ricky Rubio, but there's no real traction on that front for now.

hard to believe they want him really. Can't really play off the ball because he can't shoot

[QUOTE]

[Xiao Yao You]

Jody Genessy @DJJazzyJody
Source on Utah-bound guard Donovan Mitchell: "He's certainly special. Haven't had a playmaker like him in a long time."

[Xiao Yao You]

https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/2017/06/08/off-season-quotage/

[QUOTE]Dennis Lindsey, asked if he

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44748051&nid=304&title=jazz-trade-up-twice-select-donovan-mitchell-with-no-13-tony-bradley-with-no-28


Bradley isn't very impressive on film, but his stats jump off the paper once you adjust for the limited number of minutes he played at North Carolina. That means statistical models love him. Kevin Pelton named him as the No. 9 best prospect in this draft, and Andrew Johnson had him as the 6th best prospect. Clearly, the Jazz liked Bradley's size, and hope he can be Rudy Gobert's backup at center in 2017-18.

Sounds like he could be a steal. Let's hope they sign a proven vet to be the back-up though and he's with the Stars

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE]Tony Jones: Dennis Lindsey said he has been looking to trade for a veteran point guard and will continue his search in the coming days

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=44748051&nid=304&title=jazz-trade-up-twice-select-donovan-mitchell-with-no-13-tony-bradley-with-no-28


"We had two prospects that we were trying to move up for," Lindsey said, "and Donovan was one of those guys, because of his length, his athleticism and his character."

TJ Leaf?

[QUOTE]

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5434087-155/jazz-select-gonzaga-guard-nigel-williams-goss


During Thursday night's NBA draft, the Jazz front office had a piece of paper with a list attributes they were looking for in their picks. The list, which they called the "character crucible" included: toughness, grit, passionate, love of the game, unselfishness, communication ability on and off the court, competitiveness and intelligence.

So I take it this is new in the past couple years?

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/5433367-155/jazz-make-two-trades-ship-out


Mitchell is undersized for shooting guard at 6-foot-3.

Longer than Hayward and Hood! :rolleyes:

Cool that he wants to be here!

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/22/nuggets-jazz-trade-grades-trey-lyles-donovan-mitchell-tyler-lydon

[QUOTE]Most NBA deals concern far more than just those players directly involved. That Utah was willing to ship off Trey Lyles, a talented if inconsistent big with two years

[Xiao Yao You]

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/nba-draft-grades-lakers-celtics-bulls-lonzo-ball-trade-jimmy-butler-062317


The only knock against Mitchell is his size, as he's not quite big enough to play shooting guard and not quite the playmaker to be a full-time point guard.

6'10" :roll:

I'd guess they'd love him at the one but will settle for him at the 2 and could even play him some at the 3.

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-draft/2017/6/23/15860534/nba-draft-2017-utah-jazz-gonzaga-bulldogs-nigel-williams-goss

[QUOTE] the Jazz are picking up a complete player who should be able to contribute right off the bat.

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-draft/2017/6/23/15860470/nba-draft-2017-utah-jazz-tony-bradley-north-carolina-trade

[QUOTE]